KVD moving to Lew's 2024
pauldconyers reply :
I just had this come across my Facebook feed a bit ago. I heard this rumor a few months ago I think, this was expected; yes?
FishTank reply :
I actually think this is a win, win for both Lew's and KVD.
jbsoonerfan reply :
I don't see why this matters at all. He DOMINATED the fishing world with Quantum for many years and in nearly every "which reel is the best" thread ever posted on the internet (haven't read them all, lol) I rarely, if ever saw Quantum mentioned. I don't think people care what rod or reel pros use as I believe most of us guys who have been around the block a while know what we prefer. The younger generation might be swayed more by what a guy is using, but I don't believe it to be that much of a difference on a companies bottomline. Fishermen aren't a bunch of young guys looking to is wearing the hottest new pair of sneakers so we can jump higher and shoot better. Most realize what brands are and have been reliable for years and many of us stick by those brands (fanboys I suppose you could say).
Dwight Hottle reply :
If he switched to Shimano then I would be impressed.
Tim Kelly reply :
From one sub par brand to another. Just goes to prove that it's not the equipment that makes these guys good.
Big Rick reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 6:01 AM, Dwight Hottle said:If he switched to Shimano then I would be impressed.
Shimano doesn't NEED KVD....
MBB Nate reply :
Lews owns strike king as well. Hackney jumped last year.
And Lews gear is not subpar. I fish Daiwa, Shimano and Lews and dont feel like I'm taking a step down when I pick up my Lews.
looking45 reply :
Probably as simple as going to where the money is.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
KVD is a legend but on the back side of his career. Quantum has milked the relationship for all its worth and Lews is growing and made him a better deal. Not shocking at all.
Chief250 reply :
Am I the only one that thinks that the pros using sub par brand rods and reels are actually using high end other stuff made to look like the sub par brand?
zell_pop1 reply :
Well 15+ years ago rumor was KVD was using Shimano made up to look like Quantum until their quality improved. Also supposedly Tiger used Mizuno clubs made to look like Nike until they got him clubs he approved of.
But really these days the South Korean made reels like Lews are pretty good and probably on par with Shimano or Daiwa.
MN Fisher reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 7:08 AM, Cheif250 said:Am I the only one that thinks that the pros using sub par brand rods and reels are actually using high end other stuff made to look like the sub par brand?
Probably - because in the contracts they require the sponsored pro to use their gear. If he's using something else camouflaged as their equipment - he's in breach of contract and can lose not only the sponsorship, but have to refund paid money under a penalty clause. Then of course is the 'Mike Long' effect added to that when it goes public.
BassWhole! reply :
Imagine how much better he could have been with a decent reel all along... 
Derek1 reply :
I’m sure they use the sponsors reels. They don’t need each reel to last and work properly for many years. If they get 50 hours of hard fishing out of it and it craps out they have new ones to replace them. It’s much different then one of us having to buy them. This is just my opinion on the matter. Any reel can hold up for the first day.
BassWhole! reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 7:17 AM, MN Fisher said:Probably - because in the contracts they require the sponsored pro to use their gear. If he's using something else camouflaged as their equipment - he's in breach of contract and can lose not only the sponsorship, but have to refund paid money under a penalty clause. Then of course is the 'Mike Long' effect added to that when it goes public.
I can't speak to fishing gear, other than my own, but I know that in most major sports, sponsors are either complicit or aware of when pros use other gear made to look like the sponsors gear.
Djohn reply :
It amazes me how you guys can so easily bash brands other than the one you like and use. I'll put my Quantum smoke reels up against any reel of comparable price you can find. I think the real truth is that any reel priced at $100 or more is probably a good reel.
MN Fisher reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 7:53 AM, BassWhole! said:I can't speak to fishing gear, other than my own, but I know that in most major sports, sponsors are either complicit or aware of when pros use other gear made to look like the sponsors gear.
Well, in some cases it's close enough
Abu, Berkley, Fenwick, Johnson, Mitchell, Penn, Pflueger, Shakespeare, Spiderwire, Stren - All owned by Pure Fishing.
Rapala, Storm, VMC, Suffix, Luhr Jensen, Blue Fox - All owned by Rapala.
punch reply :
He's being a company man. Not terribly surprised.
Hammer 4 reply :
KVD has been at this game a long time. I'd bet that he's looking way down the road as far as $$$ goes, which ya can't blame the guy, Secondly, he in my opinion is a great spokesman, and Lew's will benefit having him as such.
Bird reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 6:05 AM, MBB Nate said:Lews owns strike king as well. Hackney jumped last year.
And Lews gear is not subpar. I fish Daiwa, Shimano and Lews and dont feel like I'm taking a step down when I pick up my Lews.
I happen to agree......Quantum ? Eh
Shimano_1 reply :
Kinda amazes me too that anyone can say lews is sub par. Just cause you don't use/like them, or they're not shimano or daiwa hardly means sub par. I think across the price range lews are very hard to beat. Actually been replacing some of my daiwa and shimanos with lews tournament pros. Could care less if kvd uses them or not, but I'm assuming its beneficial for him and lews. Quantum has been crapped on for years and some of their new reels are pretty slick.
MN Fisher reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 8:38 AM, Bird said:I happen to agree......Quantum ? Eh
I just keep associating Quantum with Zebco as they're both owned by the same parent corp...and I never had good luck with Zebco.
dodgeguy reply :
Lews is far from sub par.I put my Lews tournament pro up against any Shimano or Diawa.
BassCats reply :
I am wondering what is going on with Quantum. In last year or two they have lost all the pros that have been with them for 10 or more years.
MBB Nate reply :
I wonder how bad this will hurt Quantum.
Also anyone saying Lews is sub par is just merely playing elitist. There are plenty of abu/lews/pflueger etc reels that offer plenty of performance and reliability.
DomQ reply :
Crazy news. I looked up Quantums pro staff and it looks like they are really starting to thin out, almost starting to look like okumas pro staff team. Both brands make great products and I use them myself, oh well.
Stephen B reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 9:30 AM, DomQ said:Crazy news. I looked up Quantums pro staff and it looks like they are really starting to thin out, almost starting to look like okumas pro staff team. Both brands make great products and I use them myself, oh well.
My guess is that Quantum thinks the money paid to have people endorse there products are notworth the return they bring in terms of sales. I've never been persuaded to buy a product based on an endorsers name or opinion as they are being paid to back a product which may be good but could also be bad. Hope they make the right decision. Goodluck to Kevin as well
A-Jay reply :
Good for Lew's & Good for KVD.
Now if he can string together some top finishes or even a few big wins using his new sponsors gear, like he did with that Quantum tackle, that could really be helpful.
btw - Quantum reels are the worst !
The guy that owns this collection must be out of his mind.
A-Jay
DSTN reply :
I wonder if his KVD line of Lews reels will have their Winn grips or the oversized paddle grips like the LFS, etc. I can't bring myself to totally like either.
Columbia Craw reply :
The fishing industry is one of the the most cut throat and competitive out there. An investment group acquired Lews and later Strike King. Let the pros do their business thing and the rest of us can just go fishing. Nice stable of very well cared for equipment A-Jay !!
GReb reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 7:16 AM, zell_pop1 said:Well 15+ years ago rumor was KVD was using Shimano made up to look like Quantum until their quality improved. Also supposedly Tiger used Mizuno clubs made to look like Nike until they got him clubs he approved of.
But really these days the South Korean made reels like Lews are pretty good and probably on par with Shimano or Daiwa.
Nike was known to use Miura forged wedges for their tour pros for a short time. Miura also made forged irons for Titleist and TaylorMade. It’s a pretty common rumor that the first set of Nike’s were really tooled by Miura and he played those until switching to the Vapor Pros. Some say his beloved Mizunos were also Miura.
Smalls reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 7:08 AM, Cheif250 said:Am I the only one that thinks that the pros using sub par brand rods and reels are actually using high end other stuff made to look like the sub par brand?
There’s been a few pro’s in the past that use a couple custom rods and put their sponsors stickers on em to avoid contract issues.
On 9/24/2019 at 7:08 AM, Cheif250 said:Am I the only one that thinks that the pros using sub par brand rods and reels are actually using high end other stuff made to look like the sub par brand?
There’s been a few pro’s in the past that use a couple custom rods and put their sponsors stickers on em to avoid contract issues.
CountryboyinDC reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 10:11 AM, A-Jay said:Quantum reels are the worst !
I'm so confused, I thought we were bashing Lews reels.
Mobasser reply :
I don't care what he uses. I fish ABU, Shimano, Qauntum, and one Diawa. My next reel will be a Lews. After all these years, I know it's not the brand name, but where you fish with them that matters. All these company's make good reels. They'll all catch bass
NYWayfarer reply :
Great news for Lew’s and KVD
I eagerly await the Mach KVD combos they will be releasing for Icast 2020 (That’s my prediction)
WPCfishing reply :
Lews has been excellent in my hands. How anyone could say Lews is subpar is a something fanboy.
I recently bought two Ks and ordered a Bantam last night. I’m open minded. I also bought another brand reel which didn’t feel comfortable to me so I returned it.
For those who oppose Lews tell us why?
J Francho reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 8:35 PM, WPCfishing said:For those who oppose Lews tell us why?
Same reason I don't prefer Flooger or Abu. Form factor does not suit my hands, and I find the cranking side to be heavier and off balance compared to other brands. It's my opinion, and nothing to do with being a fan boy.
Mobasser reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 10:11 AM, A-Jay said:Good for Lew's & Good for KVD.
Now if he can string together some top finishes or even a few big wins using his new sponsors gear, like he did with that Quantum tackle, that could really be helpful.
btw - Quantum reels are the worst !
The guy that owns this collection must be out of his mind.
A-Jay
A-Jay, I just picked up a Qauntum low profile casting reel. It's my first one. I love it.
Jrob78 reply :
I figured this was coming sooner or later. The vast majority of the Strike King pro team also use Lew's rods and reels. It makes zero difference to me and is all about $$$ for them.
Does anyone have any proof that pros use competitor rods or reels and put their sponsor labels on them? That sounds like nonsense to me.
Hammer 4 reply :
On 9/25/2019 at 9:19 AM, Jrob78 said:
Does anyone have any proof that pros use competitor rods or reels and put their sponsor labels on them? That sounds like nonsense to me.
This happens in many sports, fishing is no different.
Jrob78 reply :
On 9/25/2019 at 9:23 AM, Hammer 4 said:
This happens in many sports, fishing is no different.
So the answer to my question is no, got it.
Koz reply :
I don't have dozens of reels like a lot of folks on BR, but of the handful I have two of them are Lew's. One cost me about $49 and the other cost me about $149 and I like them both. The feel and the performance work for me and I have confidence in my gear. For me, that's what matters most.
When I add to my collection I'll look at Lew's again, Daiwa, Shimano, and anything else out there that has a reputation as a decent quality build and if it feels good I'll buy it. When it comes to my fishing gear I'm not brand loyal.
Now my baseball gloves, that's another story.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 9/25/2019 at 9:49 AM, Jrob78 said:So the answer to my question is no, got it.
Lol, my thoughts exactly. There has been so much nonsense thrown around in this thread about fishermen and golfers disguising equipment. I don't believe it for a min.
Jrob78 reply :
On 9/25/2019 at 10:15 AM, jbsoonerfan said:Lol, my thoughts exactly. There has been so much nonsense thrown around in this thread about fishermen and golfers disguising equipment. I don't believe it for a min.
Yeah, it just doesn't make sense to me and to suggest that a company would willingly take a product from a competitor, strip it down and put their logos on it is crazy.
I knew a rod builder who made a few custom spiral wrapped flipping sticks for a pro, who was coincidentally sponsored by Quantum, about 10-12 years ago but there was no attempt made to disguise it. It was what it was.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Kevin Van Dam has had a stellar career in fishing..
Whatever he does I wish him all the best.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 7:16 AM, zell_pop1 said:Well 15+ years ago rumor was KVD was using Shimano made up to look like Quantum until their quality improved. Also supposedly Tiger used Mizuno clubs made to look like Nike until they got him clubs he approved of.
But really these days the South Korean made reels like Lews are pretty good and probably on par with Shimano or Daiwa.
Lol, so from 1996 till 2002 he hit Titleist irons and then had Mizuno make him some incognito Nike's until they got it right? Glad I don't believe everything that's supposedly true.
Hulkster reply :
Up here in Canada, Bob Izumi was sponsored by Shimano for over 20 years then switched to Abu Garcia. its all about the money.
islandbass reply :
On 9/24/2019 at 10:11 AM, A-Jay said:Good for Lew's & Good for KVD.
Now if he can string together some top finishes or even a few big wins using his new sponsors gear, like he did with that Quantum tackle, that could really be helpful.
btw - Quantum reels are the worst !
The guy that owns this collection must be out of his mind.
A-Jay
I don’t believe “that guy” ???? one bit, but tell him to send me couple so that I can prove or disprove them being the worst, lol. I have some cohos, kings and steelies in my neck of the woods.
My address is...lol
I recall seeing a guy fish with a quantum pt bc reel maybe 10 years or more ago targeting salmon on the puyallup river. It was effortlessly casting his rig 2 country miles. I was impressed. Just never seen them in my area locally so it’s a bit of a show stopper.
Good on KVD.
BassWhole! reply :
On 9/25/2019 at 9:49 AM, Jrob78 said:So the answer to my question is no, got it.
I know first hand of one pro that has done it. I doubt that it is as prevalent in fishing as in the real sports, but I'm sure it happens. So the answer to your question is yes.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 9/25/2019 at 8:29 PM, BassWhole! said:I know first hand of one pro that has done it. I doubt that it is as prevalent in fishing as in the real sports, but I'm sure it happens. So the answer to your question is yes.
Do tell
The Maestro reply :
On 9/25/2019 at 10:15 AM, jbsoonerfan said:Lol, my thoughts exactly. There has been so much nonsense thrown around in this thread about fishermen and golfers disguising equipment. I don't believe it for a min.
I've never heard of pros using non-sponsor rods and reels but I've heard of them using non-sponsor baits and then just saying they were using their sponsor's baits in the tourney. Specifically those high-end jerkbaits that start with a 1 and end with a 0 and those famous original stick baits that everyone loves to whacky rig.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 9/26/2019 at 12:01 AM, The Maestro said:I've never heard of pros using non-sponsor rods and reels but I've heard of them using non-sponsor baits and then just saying they were using their sponsor's baits in the tourney. Specifically those high-end jerkbaits that start with a 1 and end with a 0 and those famous original stick baits that everyone loves to whacky rig.
I think that is a little bit different. They could have been throwing both and therefore they weren't lying when they said what they were throwing. Big difference in, "I was throwing this" as opposed to, "I was catching them on this" lol.
Choporoz reply :
Don't much care one way or any other. I do wish, however, that KVD had put his name on some Smoke reels. Only because I'd be all over the closeouts. I so love my subpar Smokes.
BassWhole! reply :
On 9/25/2019 at 10:15 AM, jbsoonerfan said:Lol, my thoughts exactly. There has been so much nonsense thrown around in this thread about fishermen and golfers disguising equipment. I don't believe it for a min.
Golfers, skiers, hockey players and tennis players for sure. I did it for one of the mentioned sports in the 80s and 90s, and know folks who do it now who have been doing it for years.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 9/26/2019 at 12:24 AM, BassWhole! said:Golfers, skiers, hockey players and tennis players for sure. I did it for one of the mentioned sports in the 80s and 90s, and know folks who do it now who have been doing it for years.
Do you have any proof or is this some sort of CIA cover up?
BassWhole! reply :
On 9/26/2019 at 12:27 AM, jbsoonerfan said:
Do you have any proof or is this some sort of CIA cover up?
LOL, I am working with DOD right now, but fairly mundane stuff, no UFOS I'm afraid...
ReedFish reply :
Long time Quantum user and have used many other brands too. Like some have said, the man using the rod/reel is the key to catching fish. KVD/Wheeler/Ehrler/Evers could use a Zebco202 and beat me on tournament day this weekend.
I will say that there is a HUGE difference between Quantum reels and QuantumPT reels. When speaking to people about Quantum I always ask what reel they are speaking of. If it is a Quantum then yes, it will be for the guy that fishes a few times a year, that is why they are under $80. QuantumPT are for the weekend warriors/Pros that might fish 60+ times a year. Big difference in the branding there.
Strike King owns Lew's, so KVDs time was up at Quantum, he had to follow along. Brauer, Hackney, Lee all followed the "big company" rules and have switched brands recently.
BTW, my PT's are not for sale.
zell_pop1 reply :
Don't be naive. There is so much money in pro bass fishing, golf, tennis if a pro sees an advantage in non sponsored equipment they are going to use it, and as long as they say the right things and wear the right hat/jersey/polo etc I doubt the sponsors care.
Sure KVD or Amart are going to out fish all of us on here with ugly sticks and zebcos but they are not out fishing each other that way, they are looking for any advantage.
The best example of this that I saw on TV was an FLW tournament where Bryan Thrift was on the leader board and clearly was using some full cork handle rods probably GLoomis, but in the short technique segment FLW always had Thrift was using and promoting his sponsors rods-Damiki which were split grip eva foam.
BTW a quick Google search will show Tiger used Mizuno irons early in his career.
bowhunter63 reply :
They will build a line around him, interested to see what the new stuff will be.
Jrob78 reply :
On 9/26/2019 at 3:41 AM, zell_pop1 said:Don't be naive. There is so much money in pro bass fishing, golf, tennis if a pro sees an advantage in non sponsored equipment they are going to use it, and as long as they say the right things and wear the right hat/jersey/polo etc I doubt the sponsors care.
Sure KVD or Amart are going to out fish all of us on here with ugly sticks and zebcos but they are not out fishing each other that way, they are looking for any advantage.
The best example of this that I saw on TV was an FLW tournament where Bryan Thrift was on the leader board and clearly was using some full cork handle rods probably GLoomis, but in the short technique segment FLW always had Thrift was using and promoting his sponsors rods-Damiki which were split grip eva foam.
BTW a quick Google search will show Tiger used Mizuno irons early in his career.
Nobody is suggesting pro fishermen don't use products from non-sponsor companies. The question is about companies or individuals taking non-sponsor rods and reels and disguising them to pass them off as sponsor gear. I've heard people say that for years but haven't seen anything other than hearsay to prove it. Evidently @BassWhole! has super secret CIA proof of this happening but I remain skeptical.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 9/26/2019 at 3:41 AM, zell_pop1 said:BTW a quick Google search will show Tiger used Mizuno irons early in his career.
No Google search needed. He won 3 US Ams playing the MP14's. Then he signed a contract to play Titleist in 96. He was still sponsored by Titleist when he signed a contract with Nike and began playing the Nike ball in 2001 if I remember correctly. He then switched to the Nike driver in 02 and the Nike blades in 03. But I guess at some point during this time Mizuno popped back in and made some top secret CIA style blades made to look like Nike's until they could get it right. LOL, some of the things you read on the internet are amusing.
BassWhole! reply :
On 9/26/2019 at 8:58 AM, jbsoonerfan said:No Google search needed. He won 3 US Ams playing the MP14's. Then he signed a contract to play Titleist in 96. He was still sponsored by Titleist when he signed a contract with Nike and began playing the Nike ball in 2001 if I remember correctly. He then switched to the Nike driver in 02 and the Nike blades in 03. But I guess at some point during this time Mizuno popped back in and made some top secret CIA style blades made to look like Nike's until they could get it right. LOL, some of the things you read on the internet are amusing.
NikeGolf was a subsidiary of Nike, which was stood up to enter into golf in the mid 90s . Nike hired a competitor's designer to build their clubs. The early clubs were rebranded competitors clubs while they stood up the line. Nike never manufactured any clubs, much like some reel brands today, they had them made for them. Doesn't make them any less Nike. There were issues both real and perceived with the clubs, and the negative press caused the clubs not to sell well. Nike saw their mistake going into hard goods, and shut the division down. Now they do balls, soft goods, foot wear, and accessories in golf. Attended many Super Shows back then, and they threw some of the best parties where liquored up industry guys loved to vent. Great place to network.
jbsoonerfan reply :
Ok, I will drop it. A lot of posts with no proof. Now carry on with KVD to Lew's.
BassWhole! reply :
On 9/26/2019 at 9:42 AM, jbsoonerfan said:Ok, I will drop it. A lot of posts with no proof. Now carry on with KVD to Lew's.
LOL.
I have the custom made Furuno faceplate for a competitors FF. That does count?
J Francho reply :
What does any of this have to do with KVD moving to Lew's? Who cares if one time some pro tried to deceive us? Magic tackle! Woweee! Must keep it a secret! As the pond turns....over.
RichF reply :
On 9/26/2019 at 12:08 AM, Choporoz said:Don't much care one way or any other. I do wish, however, that KVD had put his name on some Smoke reels. Only because I'd be all over the closeouts. I so love my subpar Smokes.
I'm pretty sure BPS has a KVD Smoke S3. It's got red eva grips. Think it's priced lower than the regular too.
DomQ reply :
On 9/26/2019 at 12:08 AM, Choporoz said:Don't much care one way or any other. I do wish, however, that KVD had put his name on some Smoke reels. Only because I'd be all over the closeouts. I so love my subpar Smokes.
There is one, just came out few months ago. Better get one soon haha
boostr reply :
Lol, Lew's subpar...
WRB reply :
KVD's next move should be back to B.A.S.S. Elites with this years poor showing with MLS, he would dominate the Elite tour even with Lew's.
Tom
Big Rick reply :
On 10/1/2019 at 2:47 AM, WRB said:KVD's next move should be back to B.A.S.S. Elites with this years poor showing with MLS, he would dominate the Elite tour even with Lew's.
Tom
Totally agree. His long, celebrated career has focused solely on FIVE big fish; not FIFTY average fish...
zell_pop1 reply :
He did win some MLF events and that's where the big money is right now, so he is staying. Personally I do not like the dinkfest MLF is and would like KVD , Ike and others back in B.a.s.s.
J Francho reply :
On 10/1/2019 at 6:47 AM, zell_pop1 said:He did win some MLF events
He hasn't won any. He's earned $24k in MLF.
dodgeguy reply :
https://majorleaguefishing.com/angler/kevin-vandam/
Yeajray231 reply :
Lol par to me, means standard. If lews is NOT UP TO PAR... So is my Carhartt jacket (that I've had for 15 years)
Just because something isn't the most expensive doesn't mean it's not quality. There's always a market for extra expensive items in nearly every thing on this Earth, the rich (or well off) want it this way so they can have items "Joe" can't afford.
Catch me out there with my sub-par truck , in my sub-par kayak, with my sub-par combo , catching bass just like you.
dodgeguy reply :
On 10/1/2019 at 10:36 PM, Yeajray231 said:Lol par to me, means standard. If lews is NOT UP TO PAR... So is my Carhartt jacket (that I've had for 15 years)
Just because something isn't the most expensive doesn't mean it's not quality. There's always a market for extra expensive items in nearly every thing on this Earth, the rich (or well off) want it this way so they can have items "Joe" can't afford.
Catch me out there with my sub-par truck , in my sub-par kayak, with my sub-par combo , catching bass just like you.
Well said !!! And enjoy casting your sub par Lews past the rich guys above par reels.
NYWayfarer reply :
On 10/1/2019 at 10:36 PM, Yeajray231 said:Lol par to me, means standard. If lews is NOT UP TO PAR... So is my Carhartt jacket (that I've had for 15 years)
Lew's and Carhartt, pretty much what I carry and wear every fishing trip!
Yeajray231 reply :
@NYWayfarer my jacket won't die ! It's faded and the cuffs are pretty worn. But it's the real deal. Not the cheapest jacket by any means but no where near the most expensive. Similar to most lews reels.
zell_pop1 reply :
On 10/1/2019 at 8:14 PM, J Francho said:He hasn't won any. He's earned $24k in MLF.
KVD's own website claims 3 wins.
newyorktoiowa57 reply :
I never understood why he was with quantum for so long, but honestly, this isn't going to make me buy any lews products.
zell_pop1 reply :
On 10/2/2019 at 8:08 AM, newyorktoiowa57 said:I never understood why he was with quantum for so long, but honestly, this isn't going to make me buy any lews
I met the KVD at a Bass Pro, really nice guy just like he is on TV, and he had people ask him for rod/reel recommendations and he took them straight to Quantum's products. Good salesman to have.
J Francho reply :
On 10/2/2019 at 6:28 AM, zell_pop1 said:KVD's own website claims 3 wins.
Or you can go to the MLF website and get accurate results. Since leaving BASS and joining the Bass Pro Tour, he's won zero events, and racked up $24,000 in earnings.
https://majorleaguefishing.com/standing/2019-bass-pro-tour/
DSTN reply :
His MLF wins were Cup and Select events a few years back. Before they added the BPT.
dodgeguy reply :
On 10/2/2019 at 8:08 AM, newyorktoiowa57 said:I never understood why he was with quantum for so long, but honestly, this isn't going to make me buy any lews products.
Maybe he actually liked them.
DomQ reply :
I like Adidas, dont care much for Nike. I get Nike has some top notch kicks but not my kinda preference.
Maybe KVD just liked Quantum and the fact they made him multiple reels with his brand name on them? When did daiwa or shimano ever put an anglers brand name on their products.
Big Rick reply :
On 10/3/2019 at 8:07 AM, DomQ said:When did daiwa or shimano ever put an anglers brand name on their products.
Probably NEVER have and NEVER will because they both build a superior product that stands on it's own merits and doesn't need a big name fisherman to hawk them to the public......
DomQ reply :
On 10/3/2019 at 8:16 AM, Big Rick said:Probably NEVER have and NEVER will because they both build a superior product that stands on it's own merits and doesn't need a big name fisherman to hawk them to the public......
Some of the biggest names in the hockey stick industry have pro stocks, but I get what your saying. I own multiple shimanos and daiwa reels as well as quantum and lews. Love he different features that each brand brings to the table.
LonnieP reply :
On 10/3/2019 at 8:16 AM, Big Rick said:Probably NEVER have and NEVER will because they both build a superior product that stands on it's own merits and doesn't need a big name fisherman to hawk them to the public......
Actually, don’t some of the Daiwa Tatula Elite rods have Pro anglers names on them?
Stephen B reply :
They were developed utilizing 6 pro designed models. So they had input and there names are in cursive on the blank.
Big Rick reply :
On 10/3/2019 at 8:31 AM, LonnieP said:Actually, don’t some of the Daiwa Tatula Elite rods have Pro anglers names on them?
Yep. Brett Erhler, or however you spell it, for one. But we are talking reels. And there may be reels endorsed as well, but I can't recollect it right off.....
Stephen B reply :
I don't believe any reel was designed specifically for a pro but wouldn't doubt it
Bird reply :
I bought 1 high end quantum because of KVD......wasn't long before I was watching Bill Dance again. Lol
Smart move Kevin.
DomQ reply :
On 10/3/2019 at 8:41 AM, Big Rick said:Yep. Brett Erhler, or however you spell it, for one. But we are talking reels. And there may be reels endorsed as well, but I can't recollect it right off.....
Looks great with the blue on the silver blank.
BassWhole! reply :
On 10/3/2019 at 8:07 AM, DomQ said:When did daiwa or shimano ever put an anglers brand name on their products.
My Daiwa Rick Clunn cranking stick just shed a tear...
zell_pop1 reply :
Clunn, Hibdon, Nixon, and Brauer all had their own Daiwa rod in the 90s and Ike had his own line when he was with them.
Brett's_daddy reply :
Look, KVD is a pro athlete...period! As such they are allowed to become "free agents" after their current contracts are up...that's all this is, KVD was a free agent and Lews made him the best offer so he signed on with them. No different than an NFL player who's been with one team for many years becoming a free agent and signing with another team for more money. It's a business move for both parties involved, nothing more or less. I honestly don't understand all the bruhaha over this...this should have been a 1 or 2 page thread...4 pages...sheez 
. I like KVD, I think he's a good guy and I'm happy he's doing what is best for him and his family. As for Lews, they make a quality product and to say anything else is just silly. Pretty much all of the big name reel manufacturer's make good reels nowadays (just like in snowmobiles...I have owned Ski-doo's, Arctic Cat's, Yamaha's and Polaris...they all make good sleds). I'm sure there will be some cool new KVD Lews products coming out and it'll be fun to see them...not sure I'll buy them but it's always nice to see sweet new products!!!
J Francho reply :
On 10/3/2019 at 8:43 AM, Stephen B said:I don't believe any reel was designed specifically for a pro but wouldn't doubt it
There's a Lew's cranking reel that David Fritts specified had a deep spool and the old style dog and bone anti reverse. Abu tried to delete the AR switch from their spinning reels, but Ike demanded they leave it.
Yumeya reply :
I would take a Lew's over a Quantum but since Lew's is not paying me and I have to buy
my own reels I will stay with Shimano and Daiwa, they are better made "more refined" then any other
company out there.
It's kinda like when Arron Martens went from Megabass to Enigma LOL.
It's all about the cash....
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 10/3/2019 at 8:07 AM, DomQ said:I like Adidas, dont care much for Nike. I get Nike has some top notch kicks but not my kinda preference.
Maybe KVD just liked Quantum and the fact they made him multiple reels with his brand name on them? When did daiwa or shimano ever put an anglers brand name on their products.
When did they need to?
Efishin reply :
On 10/4/2019 at 4:57 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:When did they need to?
Exactly. DVT is correct. Shimano and Daiwa know they don't need to. Unfortunately, these pros don't move the needle. Quality products speak for themselves.
Shimano_1 reply :
Pros will always move the needle. I get that you guys are shimano and daiwa fans. Not arguing they make good gear. But honestly it just sounds arrogant every time I read how shimano and daiwa are far superior blah blah. Obviously by my handle on here I like shimano reels. Most of what I use currently is lews as I just like the way they feel and fish better than anything else at the moment. Anyone who doesn't think kvd will sell lews product doesnt quite understand in my opinion. Will seasoned anglers run out and buy a bunch of lews because of him? No. Will a bunch of kids who know he's the most decorated angler in history buy or ask for lews gear because of him? Absolutely
The Maestro reply :
On 10/4/2019 at 7:21 AM, Shimano_1 said:Pros will always move the needle. I get that you guys are shimano and daiwa fans. Not arguing they make good gear. But honestly it just sounds arrogant every time I read how shimano and daiwa are far superior blah blah. Obviously by my handle on here I like shimano reels. Most of what I use currently is lews as I just like the way they feel and fish better than anything else at the moment. Anyone who doesn't think kvd will sell lews product doesnt quite understand in my opinion. Will seasoned anglers run out and buy a bunch of lews because of him? No. Will a bunch of kids who know he's the most decorated angler in history buy or ask for lews gear because of him? Absolutely
I agree that brand loyalty with fishing gear can start from the first stuff you buy. I know back in the 80's when I was a teenager,my friend and I went out and bought Shimano Beastmaster rods and reels (top of the line stuff back then) after seeing Bob Izumi (Canadian fishing show host) use them on a pike episode. I've basically stuck with Shimano ever since.
DomQ reply :
On 10/4/2019 at 4:57 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:When did they need to?
Why dont they need to?
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Just a different marketing philosophy. Some people see spokesmen models as gimmicky and eroding the quality image.
puddlepuncher reply :
On 9/26/2019 at 9:39 AM, BassWhole! said:NikeGolf was a subsidiary of Nike, which was stood up to enter into golf in the mid 90s . Nike hired a competitor's designer to build their clubs. The early clubs were rebranded competitors clubs while they stood up the line. Nike never manufactured any clubs, much like some reel brands today, they had them made for them. Doesn't make them any less Nike. There were issues both real and perceived with the clubs, and the negative press caused the clubs not to sell well. Nike saw their mistake going into hard goods, and shut the division down. Now they do balls, soft goods, foot wear, and accessories in golf. Attended many Super Shows back then, and they threw some of the best parties where liquored up industry guys loved to vent. Great place to network.
I don't know how this thread evolved into golf equipment, but just to add Nike contracted Bridgestone to manufacture their balls so they were never into manufacturing much of their golf equipment. There are many more examples of this across life. There are people who have made very good money negotiating licensing deals similar to this.
OnthePotomac reply :
OMG, does that mean that my 10 year old KVD spinnerbait rod won't work anymore?
MN Fisher reply :
On 10/7/2019 at 12:46 AM, OnthePotomac said:OMG, does that mean that my 10 year old KVD spinnerbait rod won't work anymore?
Yep, totally useless now. What you need to to is
Pack it up securely and ship it to me...I'll see to it's 'disposal'. 
BassWhole! reply :
On 10/5/2019 at 6:29 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:Some people see spokesmen models as gimmicky and eroding the quality image.
I don't know, if Charlize likes Bud, I'll hold my nose and drink that crap....
OnthePotomac reply :
On 10/7/2019 at 1:33 AM, MN Fisher said:Yep, totally useless now. What you need to to is
Pack it up securely and ship it to me...I'll see to it's 'disposal'.
Fishaholic7lbs reply :
Hate to break anyone’s heart but the next person going to lews is MARK ZONA!!!
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 10/7/2019 at 1:55 AM, BassWhole! said:I don't know, if Charlize likes Bud, I'll hold my nose and drink that crap....
An exception to every rule.
ZbestBassman reply :
I just picked up the Accurist s3 in a combo for 149.99 amazon. The guy on YouTube REELTEST broke down all the specs called it best reel in $100 range ever! and Tackle tour website agrees the only negative I have heard is there arnt enough gear ratio options my model is 7:3:1 with med/fast rod looks like Winn grips and a sick white and red color scheme. If Quantum keeps this up shimano and diawa might be in trouble....I will update my experience with the combo at a later date. So maybe Quantum is doing something right...
On 10/5/2019 at 6:29 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:Just a different marketing philosophy. Some people see spokesmen models as gimmicky and eroding the quality image.
I agree I would never buy any rod or reel with someone's name all over it even if it is KVD
FishTank reply :
On 10/5/2019 at 6:29 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:Just a different marketing philosophy. Some people see spokesmen models as gimmicky and eroding the quality image.
Kind of my philosophy. I always thought when a pro fisherman puts their name on a reel it's just a gimmick to cash in on. Generally the quality is compromised on the product and the pros are left to keep pedaling it. To me when I see someones name on a reel, a rod, or especially a bait, I am inclined to walk the other way.....
Of course I say that and I just bought 2 Quantum KVD Tour Rods. I have yet to find an issue with them. I would definitely would not have payed the regular retail price though. But for what I payed for them, they have been a lot of fun to fish.
FishingRaven reply :
On 9/25/2019 at 9:23 AM, Hammer 4 said:
This happens in many sports, fishing is no different.
I fished a few Elite Series tournaments when co-anglers participated, and I fished with a few pros who used rods and reels other than their sponsors. When I asked them why, they simply said their sponsors didn't offer a comparable product. One such pro, who was sponsored by Lews, used Johnny Morris Signature Series rods for drop-shotting because Lews made nothing similar, but I suspect they do now.
NYWayfarer reply :
Don’t know if anyone noticed but Swindle, Grigsby and Latimer all switched to Lew’s 2020 pro team
https://anglerschannel.com/lews-adds-grigsby-swindle-and-others-to-2020-pro-staff/
galyonj reply :
On 1/5/2020 at 6:20 AM, NYWayfarer said:Don’t know if anyone noticed but Swindle, Grigsby and Latimer all switched to Lew’s 2020 pro team
https://anglerschannel.com/lews-adds-grigsby-swindle-and-others-to-2020-pro-staff/
I knew about Latimer, but Swindle surprised me. I saw that on Instagram yesterday.
BassCats reply :
Does quantum sponsor anyone anymore? Wonder if zebra is closing up shop?
J Francho reply :
On 1/6/2020 at 10:48 AM, BassCats said:Does quantum sponsor anyone anymore? Wonder if zebra is closing up shop?
Can't imagine this happening. That would mean Zebco, Quantum, VanStall, Fin-nor, and Badlands hunting closing shop. All seem pretty healthy to me.
BassCats reply :
I thought they sold Vanstall and Fin-Nor. But can’t seem to find where I saw that so maybe I was mistaken. Still odd they no longer seem to have many pros. Even ardent still has pros.
J Francho reply :
See any pros on the Shimano site?
the reel ess reply :
It's funny how many people chimed in on this thread about the inferior quality of Lew's. Apparently they don't own even one of Lew's higher quality models. I bought one and liked it so much I bought two more of the exact same model.
A-Jay reply :
On 1/7/2020 at 5:31 AM, the reel ess said:It's funny how many people chimed in on this thread about the inferior quality of Lew's. Apparently they don't own even one of Lew's higher quality models. I bought one and liked it so much I bought two more of the exact same model.
And that seems to be the trend regardless of which manufacturer Mr Van Dam is sponsored by.
A-Jay
Bird reply :
On 1/7/2020 at 5:31 AM, the reel ess said:It's funny how many people chimed in on this thread about the inferior quality of Lew's. Apparently they don't own even one of Lew's higher quality models. I bought one and liked it so much I bought two more of the exact same model.
I happen to agree and prefer experience over opinion.
Had both top models......Lew's all day.
BassCats reply :
https://sgbonline.com/pure-fishing-acquires-fin-nor/
Columbia Craw reply :
On 1/5/2020 at 6:20 AM, NYWayfarer said:Don’t know if anyone noticed but Swindle, Grigsby and Latimer all switched to Lew’s 2020 pro team
https://anglerschannel.com/lews-adds-grigsby-swindle-and-others-to-2020-pro-staff/
It's a conspiracy !!!!!!!!
Navrik reply :
I seem to recall from somewhere that Swindle is only using Lews Reels. Thought that looked a bit odd.
RemyL reply :
On 9/26/2019 at 12:38 AM, ReedFish said:Long time Quantum user and have used many other brands too. Like some have said, the man using the rod/reel is the key to catching fish. KVD/Wheeler/Ehrler/Evers could use a Zebco202 and beat me on tournament day this weekend.
I will say that there is a HUGE difference between Quantum reels and QuantumPT reels. When speaking to people about Quantum I always ask what reel they are speaking of. If it is a Quantum then yes, it will be for the guy that fishes a few times a year, that is why they are under $80. QuantumPT are for the weekend warriors/Pros that might fish 60+ times a year. Big difference in the branding there.
Strike King owns Lew's, so KVDs time was up at Quantum, he had to follow along. Brauer, Hackney, Lee all followed the "big company" rules and have switched brands recently.
BTW, my PT's are not for sale.
I don't know, as fast as some of those guys like to cast, I may be able to win after all their reels lock up. I figure that will take about ten casts per rod, so if they have a dozen rods on the boat... nah, never mind, they'll still catch more.
galyonj reply :
Per IG, he's using Ark rods now.
Lakeman70 reply :
I have 12 quantum pt"s have no problems with any ....started using quantum when the chameleon color puts came out
hoosierbass07 reply :
Wow, I didn't know KVD went to Lews till today. Turned on the Fish Hard show and saw KVD using a jerkbait for small mouth bass in Michigan, something they show him doing two or three times an episode every year! lol. Then noticed he had on a Lews hat and then I noticed he had on a Lews jacket. I thought, huh?
Great to see since I'm a Lews baitcaster fan. Hopefully they will come out with top of the line Lews KVD reels.
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