New Mojo Bass 2024
Verisimilidude reply :
Has anyone tried the newest models of the St. Croix Mojo Bass line?
Apparently they're built on the same blank as the tournament legend Avid now. I held one in my hand at Bass Pro and they're definitely lighter than past models...
Any insight into how they handle etc would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
JaxBasser reply :
It's the same blank material as the avid (scIII), not the ltb(scIV). I've heard good things though. I want to check them out, might end up buying one.
Verisimilidude reply :
Ah, you're right. That's what I initially wrote then edited it.
smallie.mike reply :
It's not the same blank the avid is made with, just the same material.
SPECIAL ENGINEER reply :
I have been wondering about this too. I haven't heard anyone confirm that they are built on the same blank. I know they are built with the same material(scIII) but my understanding is that there is more to a rod blank than the type of carbon that is used such as scrim, tapers and resins among other variables.
There are a couple of different companies that use 40ton Toray blanks but have vastly different performance.
Verisimilidude reply :
Perhaps the St. Croix rep I spoke to as Bass Pro was misinformed, but he told me they're built on the same exact blank!
Steveo-1969 reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 3:28 AM, Verisimilidude said:Perhaps the St. Croix rep I spoke to as Bass Pro was misinformed, but he told me they're built on the same exact blank!
Wait... A St. Croix rep told you the new Mojo Bass and the Legend Tournament rods are built on the exact same blank? Or did you mean a BPS employee told you that?
Verisimilidude reply :
It was a St. Croix rep who was on site demoing rods. He mentioned that the avid and the mojo are the same blank. I misspoke in my original post.
Rbm18 reply :
How is the balance on the new mojo? I had one of the old ones and it felt tip heavy to me. I didn't like the balance.
Verisimilidude reply :
I also thought the old Mojo felt tip heavy which is why I never purchased one.
They feel completely different now and much more balanced.
Rbm18 reply :
Thanks I was hoping so because other than that I liked the rod.
Chris186 reply :
Are they still made in Mexico?
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 5:12 AM, Verisimilidude said:It was a St. Croix rep who was on site demoing rods. He mentioned that the avid and the mojo are the same blank. I misspoke in my original post.
They are definitely not the same blank as the avid. Thats like saying the rage was built with the same blank as the Avid. The new mojo rod blanks are made in mexico. If they were built on the same blanks as the avids then the lengths, power, and actions would be the same which they aren't. They are just using the same sclll material that the avids are made with to make the blanks. They look like great rods though, I'll definitely be buying a few.
Allen Der reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 6:49 AM, smallie.mike said:They are definitely not the same blank as the avid. Thats like saying the rage was built with the same blank as the Avid. The new mojo rod blanks are made in mexico. If they were built on the same blanks as the avids then the lengths, power, and actions would be the same which they aren't. They are just using the same sclll material that the avids are made with to make the blanks. They look like great rods though, I definitely be buying a few.
I think you're getting too caught up in semantics. St croix claims their mexico factory is identical to their Park Falls factory. if they are using the same material SCIII in both rods, it is going to be similar, whether or not "blank" is the correct term. if you look the Rage and Mojo Bass rods have identical actions to the LTB rods even though they use a different material.
GaterB reply :
The new rod is definitely lighter and more balanced than the previous generation. If St. Croix would ever decide to cover up the threads above the locking nut I'd be tempted to buy one. I handled the 7' medium against the previous gen. model recently and I like the new one a lot better. The guide train was very straight and the build quality was excellent.
shaggydog reply :
the rage rod is the same same blank as the avid. Skip the new mojo and buy a discontinued rage. your welcome.
iabass8 reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 7:42 AM, shaggydog said:the rage rod is the same same blank as the avid.
No, it isn't.
shaggydog reply :
yes it is
On 2/16/2016 at 8:16 AM, iabass8 said:No, it isn't.
iabass8 reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 8:22 AM, shaggydog said:yes it is
Just because it says ScIII doesn't mean it's "the same blank". The scrim, resin, and mandrel are all different from the Avid. That's like saying the Legend Elite and Legend Xtreme use the same blank as they are both SCV. Both utilize similar materials but aren't the same blank. Little bit of research never hurt.
shaggydog reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 8:27 AM, iabass8 said:Just because it says ScIII doesn't mean it's "the same blank". The scrim, resin, and mandrel are all different from the Avid. That's like saying the Legend Elite and Legend Xtreme use the same blank as they are both SCV. Both utilize similar materials but aren't the same blank. Little bit of research never hurt.
A little bit of knowledge sometimes is a bad thing. Its the same blank. period. the elite and extreme are also the same other than handle and paint.
iabass8 reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 8:30 AM, shaggydog said:A little bit of knowledge sometimes is a bad thing. Its the same blank. period. the elite and extreme are also the same other than handle and paint.
So, according you, you're saying the new Mojo and the current Avid are the same?
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 8:30 AM, shaggydog said:A little bit of knowledge sometimes is a bad thing. Its the same blank. period. the elite and extreme are also the same other than handle and paint.
It is not the same blank. Just because you say period doesn't make you correct. If the avid and rage blanks are the same then show me a 7'1" medium fast avid spinning rod.
shaggydog reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 8:39 AM, smallie.mike said:It is not the same blank. Just because you say period doesn't make you correct. If the avid and rage blanks are the same then show me a 7'1" medium fast avid spinning rod.
You cant be serious.
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 8:42 AM, shaggydog said:You cant be serious.
Do you even know what a blank is? If the new mojo rod and rage rods use the same blank as the avid how do you explain the different lengths and actions?
shaggydog reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 8:49 AM, smallie.mike said:Do you even know what a blank is? If the new mojo rod and rage rods use the same blank as the avid how do you explain the different lengths and actions?
You really think a 7'1" rage rod is a completely different blank than a 7'0" avid blank. Good Grief. Thats like saying a 2 liter bottle of pepsi is a different pop than a 12 ounce can.
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 8:56 AM, shaggydog said:You really think a 7'1" rage rod is a completely different blank than a 7'0" avid blank. Good Grief. Thats like saying a 2 liter bottle of pepsi is a different pop than a 12 ounce can.
I don't understand what you are trying to say. I can buy a 7' medium fast spinning made in USA sclll blank from St.Croix and build my own rod with it. Now that blank is the same blank the avid rods are built with. Now are you trying to say St.Croix uses that same blank to build the rage 7'1" medium fast spinning rod?
shaggydog reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 9:05 AM, smallie.mike said:I don't understand what you are trying to say. I can buy a 7' medium fast spinning made in USA sclll blank from St.Croix and build my own rod with it. Now that blank is the same blank the avid rods are built with. Now are you trying to say St.Croix uses that same blank to build the rage 7'1" medium fast spinning rod?
now your getting it!
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 9:07 AM, shaggydog said:now your getting it!
Wow. I give up.
You've obviously never held both these spinning rods side by side. The power and actions of the two don't even compare.
shaggydog reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 9:09 AM, smallie.mike said:Wow. I give up.
You've obviously never held both these spinning rods side by side. The power and actions of the two don't even compare.
I thought you gave up. They are the SAME. PERIOD.
Jrob78 reply :
Unless the rods use the same mandrels and exact same layering of scrim, resin and carbon fiber, they are not the same.
jbrew73 reply :
jesus christ................get over it guys.. let's move on
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 9:17 AM, shaggydog said:I thought you gave up. They are the SAME. PERIOD.
how do you explain the difference in length and power? I suppose you think they just trimmed a little more off the avid blanks. Hahahaha
On 2/16/2016 at 9:21 AM, jbrew73 said:jesus christ................get over it guys.. let's move on
Move on to what? Some people are actually interested in the facts.
shaggydog reply :
Power would be something else entirely. Trim to length yes.
cottny27 reply :
I don't know about the blank discussion, but can say the new Mojo feels better and more balanced, lighter than the previous model. I had the old one and quickly sold it. It was horribly tip heavy and I didn't understand why they got so much praise.
Rbm18 reply :
Same here , I also had one and sold it. I didn't like the balance at all. I replaced it with a Dobyns savvy 703 and love it.
Allen Der reply :
too many guys with Avids and Avid X's upset that they can get basically the same rod for a lot less just a different color and made in mexico.
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 1:06 PM, Allen Der said:too many guys with Avids and Avid X's upset that they can get basically the same rod for a lot less just a different color and made in mexico.
Nope... I'll gladly continue to buy avids at a higher price. The made in mexico st croix rods frequently have sloppy build quility on the wraps, epoxy, blank straightness, guide alignment, ect... The avids have better guides too. Having said all that I still want a few of the new mojos.
EvanT123 reply :
A blank I wanted to build on sc3 66medium moderate was discontinued a year or so ago. I called them to inquire if they had any left over which they did not. The customer service person suggested a purchase the sc3 7'0 mm and trim to length. I said that's a good idea but wont the warranty be voided if I cut it and they said yes. I would not be surprised if they use the same mandrels for various rods and just trim from the butt.
Just looked at the blank catelog and the butt on a 7'mf is .530 and 6'6mf is .515
S. Sass reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 9:21 AM, jbrew73 said:jesus christ................get over it guys.. let's move on
Its just getting exciting. Don't know how we will know who wins but the argument is one of the better ones I have seen here. 
smalljaw67 reply :
I can't speak for the rage rod but I do know about the Mojo and it is not the same blank but the same material. I called because I was convinced the Avid X was a different blank than the Avid since it felt so much different and here is what I was told. The Avid and Avid X share the same blank, and when I inquired about the new Mojo the guy laughed a little and said that they do use the same material but the Mojo has slightly different tapers as it uses different mandrels and it uses a different scrim and resin. So there you have it, the Mojo uses a different set of mandrels with different scrim and resin which makes them a different blank than the Avid. I didn't ask about the Rage rods.
iabass8 reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 9:17 AM, shaggydog said:I thought you gave up. They are the SAME. PERIOD.
We are giving you an opinion. It's a fact. It was discussed countless times years ago in the rods came out . Professionals on other forms that are far more versed in these things than any of us are I've already explained how just because it says SC3 . doesn't mean it's the same blank. If you bothered to use Google for five seconds you would know that and find countless detailed explanations as to why . This is not a difficult concept to understand. They aren't the same blank. They utilize similar materials but don't have the same scrim, mandrel, or carbon fibers. If blank materials are different then the blanket self is different..I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding that
shaggydog reply :
On 2/16/2016 at 8:10 PM, iabass8 said:We are giving you an opinion. It's a fact. It was discussed countless times years ago in the rods came out . Professionals on other forms that are far more versed in these things than any of us are I've already explained how just because it says SC3 . doesn't mean it's the same blank. If you bothered to use Google for five seconds you would know that and find countless detailed explanations as to why . This is not a difficult concept to understand. They aren't the same blank. They utilize similar materials but don't have the same scrim, mandrel, or carbon fibers. If blank materials are different then the blanket self is different..I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding that
your wrong. Im not even sorry that your wrong anymore. The rage and avid are the same. What dont you understand?
Jrob78 reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 8:25 AM, shaggydog said:your wrong. Im not even sorry that your wrong anymore. The rage and avid are the same. What dont you understand?
You're starting to embarrass yourself.
Fishin Ethan reply :
I have last years model and Cabelas has good deals. I would check Cabelas to see if they have any of last years models left. I heard they made some changes to the rod dealing with the weight. The mojo bass is a good medium rod. It is a very strong rod and pretty well balanced. Mojo Bass is one of St. Croix best rod lines and they their recent versions are all great. The new rod is more senstive to the bite and is lighter. And yes the rods are made in Mexico.
shaggydog reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 8:30 AM, Jrob78 said:You're starting to embarrass yourself.
How, Im not spreading false information on this topic.
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 8:25 AM, shaggydog said:your wrong. Im not even sorry that your wrong anymore. The rage and avid are the same. What dont you understand?
Just saying *you're* wrong doesn't make it so. Why don't you state some reasoning and facts to prove it?
On 2/17/2016 at 8:56 AM, shaggydog said:How, Im not spreading false information on this topic.
You're not spreading any information. You just keep saying everybody is wrong but don't have any facts to back it up.
shaggydog reply :
Im not saying everyone is wrong, just the folks that think an avid rod is a completely different animal than the rage rod. They are the same blank. How do I know? Because St Croix said so. So please, stop quoting me, believe what you want, but quit saying I am wrong when you yourself have failed to support your opinion with any facts and then tell me I have no facts.
capjohnson.mike@yahoo.com reply :
Ya I'm debating on the new mojo slop n frog. Theyre definitely better then the old ones.
jonnyblazex reply :
Hey pretty cool to see Al Linder on the site!^^^ God bless ya Al !!!
iabass8 reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 8:56 AM, shaggydog said:How, Im not spreading false information on this topic.
You aren't contributing anything at all and offering no basis for your senselessness. This topic has been discussed, at length, by professionals far more experience in this than anybody on here. The only reason the St. Croix rep told you the same blank is because "both are SCIII". He's correct about that but that's as far as it goes. The Avid blank is rolled here in the U.S in Park Falls, WI while the Rage blank is not. Common Knowledge for anybody to know. The Avid uses a different scrim, mandrel, and Fibers than the Rage. Again, this has been discussed before and you would know that if you bothered to search the topic. The Legend Elite and Legend Xtreme are both SCV blanks but they are not the same blank. This isn't a difficult thing to understand. Do some research. There's countless topics on this all over the net from people asking the same thing you're trying to proclaim.
Here's a quote from board contributor Mr. Hovenac who is regarded as one of the finest rod builders in the industry. If you want to try to call him wrong, good luck with that one.
shaggydog reply :
you are quoting me again. I asked you not to do that anymore. Same glue. same graphite. same tapers same everything. Oh your right. It is a different color so its totally different. Get real. You take a rage rod, put a cork handle on it, different guides, give it a lifetime warranty and call it an avid. Now go away.
kickerfish1 reply :
Glad I don't use St. Croix rods. Period
shaggydog reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 10:00 AM, iabass8 said:You aren't contributing anything at all and offering no basis for your senselessness. This topic has been discussed, at length, by professionals far more experience in this than anybody on here. The only reason the St. Croix rep told you the same blank is because "both are SCIII". He's correct about that but that's as far as it goes. The Avid blank is rolled here in the U.S in Park Falls, WI while the Rage blank is not. Common Knowledge for anybody to know. The Avid uses a different scrim, mandrel, and Fibers than the Rage. Again, this has been discussed before and you would know that if you bothered to search the topic. The Legend Elite and Legend Xtreme are both SCV blanks but they are not the same blank. This isn't a difficult thing to understand. Do some research. There's countless topics on this all over the net from people asking the same thing you're trying to proclaim.
Here's a quote from board contributor Mr. Hovenac who is regarded as one of the finest rod builders in the industry. If you want to try to call him wrong, good luck with that one.
Is a VW made in mexico the same as one made in Germany?
iabass8 reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 10:23 AM, shaggydog said:Is a VW made in mexico the same as one made in Germany?
Are they using the same exact components?
There's no way this shaggydog guy is real/serious. He's either the greatest troll to date or Rick Astley just started bass fishing.
EvanT123 reply :
I don't know about you all but I can't wait for spring!!!!
shaggydog reply :
iabass8, do you know what the phrase cut off your nose to spite your face means?
Loomis13 reply :
shaggydog.....stop please. its gettin old. Thanks!!
smallie.mike reply :
Before this gets locked... I'd like to say that I think these new mojos are going to be great rods for the price.
On 2/17/2016 at 10:23 AM, shaggydog said:Is a VW made in mexico the same as one made in Germany?
You already tried that with the pepsi theory...
shaggydog reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 10:40 AM, smallie.mike said:Before this gets locked... I'd like to say that I think these new mojos are going to be great rods for the price.
You already tried that with the pepsi theory...
And yet you still dont understand. I cant dumb this down any more than that.
PennBass reply :
Hold up guys I need to get another bowl of popcorn
iabass8 reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 10:44 AM, shaggydog said:And yet you still dont understand. I cant dumb this down any more than that.
We have attempted to "dumb it down" as simple as possible providing information from a highly regarded rod builder that deals directly with St. Croix themselves and pointing you in the direction to further educate yourself without spoon feeding it to you. I don't know a different way to tell you how they are different. I've told you 2-3 times now. You are doing nothing in your favor by just saying "no, you're wrong". At this point, it's like we are trying to teach a quadriplegic to play soccer. There's just no way you aren't trolling us at this point.
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 10:44 AM, shaggydog said:And yet you still dont understand. I cant dumb this down any more than that.
Oh I understand perfectly. Everyone knows pepsi out of a 2 liter bottle tastes like crap.
Loomis13 reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 11:01 AM, iabass8 said:We have attempted to "dumb it down" as simple as possible providing information from a highly regarded rod builder that deals directly with St. Croix themselves and pointing you in the direction to further educate yourself without spoon feeding it to you. You are doing nothing in your favor by just saying "no, you're wrong". At this point, it's like we are trying to teach a paraplegic to play soccer.
Or its like trying to teach a clueless person about rods..
Burtonxj reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 10:23 AM, shaggydog said:Is a VW made in mexico the same as one made in Germany?
Yup. Both are garbage. 
(Source: have owned both)
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 11:03 AM, Loomis13 said:Or its like trying to teach a clueless person about rods..
Or like playing cards with my brothers kids...
shaggydog reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 11:01 AM, iabass8 said:We have attempted to "dumb it down" as simple as possible providing information from a highly regarded rod builder that deals directly with St. Croix themselves and pointing you in the direction to further educate yourself without spoon feeding it to you. You are doing nothing in your favor by just saying "no, you're wrong". At this point, it's like we are trying to teach a paraplegic to play soccer.
you have provided nothing of substance that I would value more than what the actual company has said.
I welcome the first person to actually give solid facts other than someone said its different.
On 2/17/2016 at 11:05 AM, smallie.mike said:Or like playing cards with my brothers kids...
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 11:06 AM, shaggydog said:you have provided nothing of substance that I would value more than what the actual company has said.
So what did the actual company say? And please be specific
iabass8 reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 11:06 AM, shaggydog said:you have provided nothing of substance that I would value more than what the actual company has said.
I've only told you exactly how they are different twice now, Provided you with information on somebody that deals with the company directly and builds on their rods for his customers, and countless times have told you if you even bothered to use any of the Internets most basic means of researching information you could educate and eventually be aware of what everybody in here is trying to tell you.
shaggydog reply :
smallie.mike have you not been reading this. It is the same blank. That is what they said. Is that specific enough for you?
Burtonxj reply :
Almost picked up the new Mojo today but my wallet is beat.
shaggydog reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 11:11 AM, iabass8 said:I've only told you exactly how they are different twice now, Provided you with information on somebody that deals with the company directly and builds on their rods for his customers, and countless times have told you if you even bothered to use any of the Internets most basic means of researching information you could educate and eventually be aware of what everybody in here is trying to tell you.
Why would you believe what other people think rather than what the actual company knows?
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 11:11 AM, shaggydog said:smallie.mike have you not been reading this. It is the same blank. That is what they said. Is that specific enough for you?
Did you not read the post by someone else that said he too contacted st croix and they said it wasn't the same blank?
webertime reply :
My family owns property on St Croix. Hence we are part owners of St Croix... same name so it's got to mean the same thing, right? And since I am a part owner of St Croix I feel the need to establish that I am in fact made of SCIII and my brother is too (same resins to boot!)... seriously they are different rods... completely different. I have spoken with 2 Pro Staffers and a Rep in Wisconsin. They are different... they have 1 component in common... that's it.
This has turned into a train wreck... not your typical freight cars derailing in suburbia type... the Pakistani type where there are 100's of people riding on top. Just a big mess...
kingmotorboat reply :
I don't know how this got started, but it's rather entertaining
On 2/17/2016 at 11:19 AM, webertime said:My family owns property on St Croix. Hence we are part owners of St Croix... same name so it's got to mean the same thing, right? And since I am a part owner of St Croix I feel the need to establish that I am in fact made of SCIII and my brother is too (same resins to boot!)... seriously they are different rods... completely different. I have spoken with 2 Pro Staffers and a Rep in Wisconsin. They are different... they have 1 component in common... that's it.
This has turned into a train wreck... not your typical freight cars derailing in suburbia type... the Pakistani type where there are 100's of people riding on top. Just a big mess...
Yep but just like a train wreck, it's hard to look away
smallie.mike reply :
On 2/17/2016 at 11:04 AM, Burtonxj said:Yup. Both are garbage.
(Source: have owned both)
Hey now... My daily driver is a 78 vw bus
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