New Shimanos At Tackle Warehouse 2024
northern basser reply :
TW has the new curados and chronarchs. I didn't even bother to see if they were actually available yet because after looking at the specs I didn't care. 
The old curado e is now the new chronarch and the new curado has regressed. Guess I'll be checking out Daiwa and Okumas new offerings this year.
webertime reply :
Chronarch G = Curado E.
Curado G = Tweeked Citica. (one more bearing and some polishing)
Citica G = $10 more than last year.
The Compre Rods look pretty cool though.
brushhoggin reply :
dont forget about abu stx
Stasher1 reply :
It doesn't matter how bad the specs are, the posse will buy them by the truckload and recommend them to everybody who asks "What's the best reel for $____" regardless of whether or not they've actually used them.
Skunked in DR reply :
There is now a huge hole in the Shimano line-up. Nothing (that I can see) from the Chronarch at 199 to the Core at 349.
Wonder if they're planning to bring out a new reel in the next year in the 250-300 price range.
trevor reply :
And their rods are now split foam grips... which sucks.
northern basser reply :
On 7/14/2011 at 12:54 AM, Stasher1 said:It doesn't matter how bad the specs are, the posse will buy them by the truckload and recommend them to everybody who asks "What's the best reel for $____" regardless of whether or not they've actually used them.
I really like shimano, but you won't see me buying or recommending their new lineup. What a disappointment. Luckily I'm not tied to one brand. I love my pat. xt and my okuma cayennes are pretty decent reels. I also have a cabelas prod. which really makes me want to try a nice Daiwa in the future.
I waited for the release of these shimanos before deciding what my next reel will be. I have one empty rod and it will be filled w/ the new $250 daiwa or a new okuma komodo.
Hopefully sales of the new shimanos will be poor and they'll come out w/ something new again. I won't be holding my breath.
TrippyJai reply :
The Clarus now has a IM8 blank and Fuji Alconite Guides. Looks attractive for the price, but I am still not digging the new split grip looks. I wonder how this rod compares to the old Compre/Crucial.
barroncooper reply :
I don't understand shimano I don't understand. yes I am a shimano fanboy or loyalist or whatever you wanna call it. But this just erks me. I feel completely duped. The new chronarch is exactly a curado 200 e7. what do we get more for $20 bucks in the choronarch. this is a huge slap to the face to me.
WdyCrankbait reply :
I am really glad I picked up a close out 200E7 now! It just does not seem the progressed any reel. Almost seems like they are content with their line up now.
jj'sbassinforfun reply :
On a brighter note. Looks like the lefties get a few more gear options. We even get a crankin ratio from the CH201E5. These Chronarch gears should fit the Curado E7's by what your all saying.
If the posse' is that ticked(I think we need to hear from some more of them)? It might give the other companies a bigger market share. But I don't see it myself. I see more chronarch being sold. I personnally hated the Curado green anyway. I'd pay a few extra bucks to have something other than that butt ugly green thing.
Time will tell, But having some extra gear ratio's in their line up for the lefties might just get some of use older Shimano ex buyers back as well. JMHO! There are lots of reels out there for the scorn!
ChiCityBasser reply :
wow some unhappy Shimano fans, never thought I would see that.
zelmo reply :
On 7/14/2011 at 1:05 AM, Skunked in DR said:There is now a huge hole in the Shimano line-up. Nothing (that I can see) from the Chronarch at 199 to the Core at 349.
Wonder if they're planning to bring out a new reel in the next year in the 250-300 price range.
Maybe they will just lower the price of the core. 
midnighthrasher reply :
It's amazing how all of you are dumping on a product without even trying it, actually seeing or reading a review about it. You see a picture on TW and right away you crap on it!!!
I too am dissapointed with the way they changed their lineup but i will wait to get them in my hands before giving my .02 cents.
As for the rods I love the split grip foam rods so i am happy with the way they look but think that they should have kept some cork grips for those who liked them.
philsoreel reply :
On 7/14/2011 at 6:57 AM, midnighthrasher said:It's amazing how all of you are dumping on a product without even trying it, actually seeing or reading a review about it. You see a picture on TW and right away you crap on it!!!
I too am dissapointed with the way they changed their lineup but i will wait to get them in my hands before giving my .02 cents.
As for the rods I love the split grip foam rods so i am happy with the way they look but think that they should have kept some cork grips for those who liked them.
Agreed. This is the internet at it's best. Not one person (well there maybe one or two) on BR has ever seen or touched these reels or rods. I don't understand it either, but I'm not buying that they just simply changed some names and paint jobs. Like someone else said, it opens up some options for lefties and I personally think the gap between the Chronarch and Core was opened on purpose to either add a new reel series between them or drop the Core into it and bring out a new top notch reel.
I've been a die-hard Shimano guy since the first Chronarch. I do own different brand reels, but when the price tag gets over about $150-$175 it's always a Shimano. However, I've been looking at other brands lately trying to find something in between the Curado E and the Core because I didn't like the Chronarch of late. Hopefully, they're doing something about that. I read somewhere the other day that said the Curado E had been the best selling reel Shimano has ever made so it's reasonable to think they won't can that design.
Shimano didn't get where they are by being bone-heads so don't write them off yet.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Cork comes in many grades, is getting very expensive and some times hard to get. I wouldn't be surprised to see an even bigger move away from cork grips on all but the highest end factory rods. As for the reels, specs don't necessarily tell the whole story, but there is probably some valid raeson for skeptisism.
philsoreel reply :
I love those big fat septon grips that come on the Curado E200s and are now on the Chronarch. I'll be willing to bet the ones on the Chronarch have bearings in them though. If so, I'll be buying six new Chronarch handles to put on my Core 50s and Curado E50s.
Fat-G reply :
I'm juet shaking my head at Shimano right now. That is just sad. I'll be supporting Daiwa from here on out, although the Chronarch looks good if you pay like $150 for it. Unbelieveable.
Fat-G reply :
On the flip side the rods look awesome. If the Crucials are using the same IM 10 blank as the Cumara, I'm getting a spinning rod. Not impressed with the reels, although I like that they come in every gear ratio.
SoFlaBassAddict reply :
Rabble rabble rabble!!!
The intarwebz is serious bidness!!!
People are ticking and moaning about a bunch of pictures they've seen? The reels haven't even made it into most peoples hands yet. Give it some time. Shimano has always made a quality product. I personally am glad to see some of the changes. I'm not dumping all of my gear and buying new stuff right away. Though I do see a few new toys making their way into my lineup.
J Francho reply :
All they did was raise prices. Daiwa has done it every year - they just didn't change the names of the reels.
s13john reply :
makes sense to me, really was the chronarch that better in the first place worth 100 bux more than the curado. i dont know. But i think that they have a good assortment of reels at price points that make sense. as for me im going to buy another 50e.
johnD. reply :
Are the new reels made in Japan ? Facts only , no speculation please. 
Midnight Splash2 reply :
That $97 50E sale that just passed is seeming like an even better deal now. I wish I had bought more at that price. The 50E is an awesome reel. All I see is regression in this new line up.
northern basser reply :
I don't think its a question of wether the new reels are any good. I'm sure they will perform great. Its the renaming and regressing that has everyone complaining. A person doesn't have to hold one in their hands to see what Shimano did!
J Francho reply :
LOL, but it's OK for a Daiwa Sol to start out at $200, and get to $250. Zillions were $249 when they came out, now they're $289, LOL. It's a price adjustment. Take a look at the USD to Yen over the past three years. The price jump becomes clear. Call it "regression," if you want. It's the US doallr that's regressed, causing the realignment. Plain and simple, it costs Shimano USA more to bring these over here.
Fat-G reply :
On 7/14/2011 at 9:57 PM, J Francho said:LOL, but it's OK for a Daiwa Sol to start out at $200, and get to $250. Zillions were $249 when they came out, now they're $289, LOL. It's a price adjustment. Take a look at the USD to Yen over the past three years. The price jump becomes clear. Call it "regression," if you want. It's the US doallr that's regressed, causing the realignment. Plain and simple, it costs Shimano USA more to bring these over here.
But last year's Citica appears to be this years Curado. I just can't understand why after all these years of having the hands down "best" reel in that category they would make it a "less" quality product...
But I do understand what you are saying John.
J Francho reply :
No, the Citica E is no more. The Curado G is a new reel, albeit with similar specs to the Citica E. Remember, the knock on the Curados of late has been that they are overpriced. Originally, Curado's were a lot less. The best reel in the category is still that reel, just now it's called the Chronarch. And that category is $30 more. Blame our economy.
Fat-G reply :
On 7/14/2011 at 10:11 PM, J Francho said:No, the Citica E is no more. The Curado G is a new reel, albeit with similar specs to the Citica E. Remember, the knock on the Curados of late has been that they are overpriced. Originally, Curado's were a lot less. The best reel in the category is still that reel, just now it's called the Chronarch. And that category is $30 more. Blame our economy.
Yep, just read that Shimano wanted the Chronarch to be the new Curado. Weird, but it works. Maybe the D7 didn't sell well.
J Francho reply :
There are a lot of die hard Curado B guys that paid around $120 for one of the best reels made. Ever. I think Shimano wants that status back.
Catt reply :
Ah! Dang it my Calcutta is still the same!
Round reels
collegefishing12 reply :
I'm hoping the answer to this question is a no brainer, but I'll ask it anyways -- what is shimano going to for its lifetime warranty on it's old model rods? I'm assuming that the new rod style will be the replacement? Or is shimano going to maintain a warehouse of the old line of rods for replacements?
I have a number of crucials and clarus's that i picked up specifically because I'm tough on equipment, and there "limited" lifetime warranty in the past had been hassle free to provide me with a new rod. I surely hope their need to provide a split grip rod for under 100 doesn't bite me in the ***
SoFlaBassAddict reply :
Generally if they have stock, you'll be replaced with the same product. Once they no longer have the old style, you'll receive the most comparable item. Usually that is the current years model.
Basswhippa reply :
This is horrid.
I'll have to stick to my six Mid 90's Calcuttas and three Greenie 200's. I still don't think Shimano has ever outdone any of those reels, except maybe a mid 90's Chronarch. JMO
baluga reply :
good thing I took advantage of the 50e sale for $97.88.. 
BrASSmonkey reply :
On 7/14/2011 at 10:11 PM, J Francho said:No, the Citica E is no more. The Curado G is a new reel, albeit with similar specs to the Citica E. Remember, the knock on the Curados of late has been that they are overpriced. Originally, Curado's were a lot less. The best reel in the category is still that reel, just now it's called the Chronarch. And that category is $30 more. Blame our economy.
The Curado G is based on the Caenan platform. If you combine it with being specced like the Citica E; it feels like a downgrade to many, despite how it may be worded. The Curado e has been rebadged and repainted as the Chronarch e, which also feels like a downgrade when you consider the Chronarch D's position in Shimano's previous lineup. So, it seems understandable to me that people are unhappy with the apparent downgrades, at least until they get used to the notion that in order to get the same quality that they are used to, they are now buying the Chronarch E instead of the Curado E. When this happenes, then everyone will be happy again with their Shimanos. I am sure there is also some disappointment that there were no big advancements announced at this year's iCast.
Then there is also an apparent hole in the lineup between the Chronarch E and the Core...
fishinkeebs reply :
I am glad i got the e7 and citicas when I did, the new Curados and Citicas are the same styling as the Caenan! Now they are gonna be made in malaysia, dont expect the same quality as the old ones!
Basswhippa reply :
I n Isn't this new Curado the third Curado in 6 years? So they are changing their reels around every two years like it's a new model car or something? That's crazy.
Raul reply :
On 7/14/2011 at 10:35 PM, J Francho said:There are a lot of die hard Curado B guys that paid around $120 for one of the best reels made. Ever. I think Shimano wants that status back.
Count me in that group.
I see the pics of the new reels and ..... man I´m confused ! 
hookingem reply :
It seems like the new rods are a very competitive offering. Although I am a little dissapointed that my 6 Cumara's will no longer stand out .The new reels however are overall disappointing. I have not used the new reels and will save my final opinion for when I do. In todays economy everything goes up in price and unfortunately fishing equipment is no exception. It looks like you are now receiving a Curado for 20 dollars more. Look at how much a gallon of milk has gone up over the last 5 years and this price increase won't seem so harsh!
Hooligan reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 5:22 AM, fishinkeebs said:I am glad i got the e7 and citicas when I did, the new Curados and Citicas are the same styling as the Caenan! Now they are gonna be made in malaysia, dont expect the same quality as the old ones!
Same styling as Caenan, yes, but the Caenan is crap from the start. Don't even bother to compare them. Graphite frame, junk bearings...the list goes on. Curado still has septon grips and almost a retro blocky kind of feel. I'm biting my tongue until I get them in hand. My favorite reels are my older Curado reels. I'm sure the Chronarch will be just fine, too.
BassThumb reply :
We'll see...
People are going to like the new gear ratio options on the Citica and Curado.
5.5:1 and 6.5:1 for the Citica, and 5.5:1, 6.5:1, and 7:1 for the Curado.
SoFlaBassAddict reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 6:57 AM, BassThumb said:We'll see...
People are going to like the new gear ratio options on the Citica and Curado.
5.5:1 and 6.5:1 for the Citica, and 5.5:1, 6.5:1, and 7:1 for the Curado.
I know I do, without even having to hold one. I'm not familiar with the frame they'll be using now, so we'll have to see. It's far easier than having to do a gear swap though. Having the options is a big bonus in my eyes.
philsoreel reply :
...and while a few pics from TW has spun Shimano around from an industry leader to making Berney Ebbersish decisions...I picked up a new 7'1" Cumulus/Core 100mgfv combo for $475 shipped lol
Fat-G reply :
Having gotten a Cumara a little while back, I'm very dissapointed that they changed all the rods around. I should have waited and saved $30 and just gotten a Crucial.
Sucks for die-hard Shimano fans. All the more reason to go to Daiwa, whose higher end offerings blow Shimano's out of the water.
hookingem reply :
I beg to differ I believe a core holds its own anyday against Diawa's offerings
djmax22 reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 9:17 AM, hookingem said:I beg to differ I believe a core holds its own anyday against Diawa's offerings
I am a Shimano diehard and I will not be buying this reel(maybe I will pick one up on clearance in a few years). It bothers me that they downgraded Chronarch into a Curado E remake. The Chronarch is supposed to represent a touch of class. Why not just keep the current Chronarch and release an MG version? People loved the Chronarch MGs! They really seemed to miss the mark similar to when they released the Curado D (silver ones). Come on Shimano I expect better.
northern basser reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 9:17 AM, hookingem said:I beg to differ I believe a core holds its own anyday against Diawa's offerings
Core 50mg7 is a awesome reel
hookingem reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 12:57 PM, djmax22 said:I am a Shimano diehard and I will not be buying this reel(maybe I will pick one up on clearance in a few years). It bothers me that they downgraded Chronarch into a Curado E remake. The Chronarch is supposed to represent a touch of class. Why not just keep the current Chronarch and release an MG version? People loved the Chronarch MGs! They really seemed to miss the mark similar to when they released the Curado D (silver ones). Come on Shimano I expect better.
So you wouldn't get a Core because you don't like their new stuff? 
Grey Wolf reply :
Looks like "The Posse" is stirred up a bit. 
Fat-G reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 7:52 PM, hookingem said:So you wouldn't get a Core because you don't like their new stuff?
I would sell it for a Ballistic and $50 of crack
stkbassn reply :
On 7/13/2011 at 10:43 PM, northern basser said:TW has the new curados and chronarchs. I didn't even bother to see if they were actually available yet because after looking at the specs I didn't care.
The old curado e is now the new chronarch and the new curado has regressed. Guess I'll be checking out Daiwa and Okumas new offerings this year.
The only positive thing I saw was that the Citica now offers a 7.1 gear ratio. I've never seen that before. I may pick one up. As far as the rest of the reels I feel the same as everyone else. Still love my Curado D's! Still looking for another 200DPV if anyone has one to part with. Had to throw it in there!
hookingem reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 7:58 PM, Grey Wolf said:Looks like "The Posse" is stirred up a bit.
I'm not stirred up. I'm simply stoked that I now have 6 green chronarch's....
BrASSmonkey reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 10:12 PM, hookingem said:I'm not stirred up. I'm simply stoked that I now have 6 green chronarch's....
LOL. But don't you want any white Curado's?
Fat-G reply :
Burley told me he sold all of his Core 50's because the $200 50e was just as good. There's no way in hell a Curado will EVER compare to a Steez, or even a Zillion for that matter.
I think hands down Shimano owns (or at least did own) the $120-$180 reel market, but I also think anything above that and it's no competition for Daiwa.
djmax22 reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 7:52 PM, hookingem said:So you wouldn't get a Core because you don't like their new stuff?
I own a couple cores. My comment had nothing to do with the Core but rather the Curado and chronarch line.
djmax22 reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 10:47 PM, Fat-G said:Burley told me he sold all of his Core 50's because the $200 50e was just as good. There's no way in hell a Curado will EVER compare to a Steez, or even a Zillion for that matter.
I think hands down Shimano owns (or at least did own) the $120-$180 reel market, but I also think anything above that and it's no competition for Daiwa.
Of course the Zillion is going to be superior to a Curado. It cost $100 more! As far as no competition for Daiwa at the top of the line I have to disagree. Shimano makes a lot of high end reels that will compete with any reel on the market. I give Daiwa a ton credit for produce quality reels with a lot of bling, but I have always preferred Shimano's.
djmax22 reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 1:39 PM, northern basser said:Core 50mg7 is a awesome reel
Agreed, but the handle is on the wrong side. 
rubba bubba reply :
I have both Curado and Zillions. You can't compare the 50 series to the Zillion - apples and oranges (both on target price and intended use). The Zillion may be my favorite reel but the Curado is also excellent. So are Revos, Pfluegers, and Lews. The posse's insecurity is hilarious, but not a reason to bash a very good product.
CWB reply :
On 7/14/2011 at 6:33 AM, ChiCityBasser said:wow some unhappy Shimano fans, never thought I would see that.
Posse must really be upset.
Shimano Cheapening their products?
Glad I got a CU50E at the sale price of $98.00
Made in Japan.
Are they made in China now?
Looks like the Curado has cut some corners.
1 Less bearing, Line guide is no longer Titanium coated (what will braid do to this)
On the positive, it lost about an ounce.
http://www.***.com/Shimano_Curado_200_G_Series_Casting_Reels/descpage-SCUG.html
http://www.***.com/Shimano_Curado_200_E_Casting_Reels/descpage-SCER.html
Abu Posee? Diawa Posee? Quantum Posee?
Looks like Shimano Posee might be ripe for a takeover. 
Fat-G reply :
On 7/16/2011 at 12:38 AM, rubba bubba said:I have both Curado and Zillions. You can't compare the 50 series to the Zillion - apples and oranges (both on target price and intended use). The Zillion may be my favorite reel but the Curado is also excellent. So are Revos, Pfluegers, and Lews. The posse's insecurity is hilarious, but not a reason to bash a very good product.
I have both as well now. I will say that the Zillion is $100 more and well worth the extra money. It blows my 50 and old 200e7 out of the water by a long shot. I thought my 50 was really smooth until today. The Zillion feels like greased glass on glass.
I believe that for $90-$120 the Curado is an amazing reel, but I would never pay full price for one. Actually I will never own a Curado 200 again, most likely. They are awesome reels for the price, though.
ChiCityBasser reply :
On 7/16/2011 at 2:03 AM, CWB said:Posse must really be upset.
Shimano Cheapening their products?
Glad I got a CU50E at the sale price of $98.00
Made in Japan.
Are they made in China now?
Looks like the Curado has cut some corners.
1 Less bearing, Line guide is no longer Titanium coated (what will braid do to this)
On the positive, it lost about an ounce.
http://www.***.com/Shimano_Curado_200_G_Series_Casting_Reels/descpage-SCUG.html
http://www.***.com/Shimano_Curado_200_E_Casting_Reels/descpage-SCER.html
Abu Posee? Diawa Posee? Quantum Posee?
Looks like Shimano Posee might be ripe for a takeover.
I'll stick with my Quantum products and sure the reels will be nice once some of you get them in your hands but looks like they are taking a step backwards from reading all the comments.
SoftbaitJunk reply :
Hey guys,
i ordered the Shimano Chronarch 51E and the Shimano Crucial 6'8" Med Hvy but i have a question,whats the difference between the normal casting rods of the crucial series and the reaction casting rods?!
And think about to order a All Star rods and the most comments are very good but can somebody say if their worth their money?(All Star TAS-807C), i know its a Shimano thread but i wont open a new one for only that question:)
Cheers and Tight Lines
SJ
roadwarrior reply :
Hmm...
Can't wait for my new reels to arrive. The Posse rides tall.
These are probably a new generation of the finest reels ever
made. I look forward to fishing the new models.
Shimano leads the the way in innovation and state of the art
technology. Strong, smooth, silent and reliant. I expect
the 2011 edditions to set new standards for all the
"want-a-bees" to emulate and attempt to copy. I hope the
competition stays in the hunt, but right now that does
not seem to be the case.
ChiCityBasser reply :
On 7/16/2011 at 8:55 AM, roadwarrior said:Hmm...
Can't wait for my new reels to arrive. The Posse rides tall.
These are probably a new generation of the finest reels ever
made. I look forward to fishing the new models.
Shimano leads the the way in innovation and state of the art
technology. Strong, smooth, silent and reliant. I expect
the 2011 edditions to set new standards for all the
"want-a-bees" to emulate and attempt to copy. I hope the
competition stays in the hunt, but right now that does
not seem to be the case.
Seems as if Shimano is concentrating on its other lines of business for innovation...Bicycles for the posse to ride tall
webertime reply :
On 7/16/2011 at 9:15 AM, ChiCityBasser said:Seems as if Shimano is concentrating on its other lines of business for innovation...Bicycles for the posse to ride tall
As someone that has worked extensively in the cycling industry... Their bicycle components/shoes make up ~20% of their business. This ought to tell you just how large their fishing business is. (Rowing and Snowboarding are drops in the bucket for them)
The 2012 models "to me" should be fine. The "downgrading" of the names is purely marketing, "Golly I can gets myself a Curado fer $150!".
If I have $200 to spend I'd still look at Shimano even if it was called the poop-slinger-delux, not necessarily purchase it, but I'd have to look.
CWB reply :
As I stated earlier, I see no innovations but a step backwards if nothing else. The only plus to me would be the lighter weight.
Less bearings, No titanium. Seems like they wanted to lower the cost so something had to go. If the Curado 200E's get a little cheaper, I'll probably pull the trigger on one but that will be it for me. Long live the (new) posse!
Remember- some people drive Chevy's and some people drive Ford's. A Chevy is a stripped down Cadillac. A Ford is a stripped down Lincoln.
Now it appears a Shimano is a stripped down Shimano. (couldn't resist getting the posse riled up)
Only time will tell.
Pantera61 reply :
It's not even challenging anymore. The memo has been sent out and a happy face has been put on.
Quillback reply :
On 7/16/2011 at 2:48 AM, Fat-G said:I have both as well now. I will say that the Zillion is $100 more and well worth the extra money. It blows my 50 and old 200e7 out of the water by a long shot. I thought my 50 was really smooth until today. The Zillion feels like greased glass on glass.
I believe that for $90-$120 the Curado is an amazing reel, but I would never pay full price for one. Actually I will never own a Curado 200 again, most likely. They are awesome reels for the price, though.
Yep, exactly how I feel. Curado is a great reel at $100, no way I'd pay $199 for one.
WdyCrankbait reply :
On 7/16/2011 at 8:08 PM, Quillback said:Yep, exactly how I feel. Curado is a great reel at $100, no way I'd pay $199 for one.
I agree, I love my Curdaos, but I got them below list values and I would not pay $199 for my 50E. But, I also invoke a personal rule in order to prevent spending $$ on fishing supplies from getting out of hand. I do not buy anything more then $200 rod or reel. If I cant find good quality reel @ $200 or below, there's a problem.
I want to try out that Zillion Hayden, but probably not being buying one. Diawa has been around for a long time so, I know there good stuff. I have never heard anyone say anything bad about them.
grimlin reply :
Comparing the specs from last years reels to this years reels,I can see why many of you guys are complaining.The new curado G has the same specs as last year's citica and now $159.
They should have changed the names....because now it's all misleading information. Shame on Shimano!
djmax22 reply :
On 7/16/2011 at 10:46 PM, grimlin said:Comparing the specs from last years reels to this years reels,I can see why many of you guys are complaining.The new curado G has the same specs as last year's citica and now $159.
They should have changed the names....because now it's all misleading information. Shame on Shimano!
Really disappointing that the Chronarch name was dragged through the mud too. The good news is it is a competitive market and it will allow me to spend my dollars elsewhere.
ww2farmer reply :
On 7/14/2011 at 12:54 AM, Stasher1 said:It doesn't matter how bad the specs are, the posse will buy them by the truckload and recommend them to everybody who asks "What's the best reel for $____" regardless of whether or not they've actually used them.
Kind of like all the people bashing the new reels that have not even hit the store shelf yet, let alone been put to use on the water. OH I forgot, this is the internet, you kids are all instant experts.
CWB reply :
On 7/17/2011 at 12:28 AM, ww2farmer said:Kind of like all the people bashing the new reels that have not even hit the store shelf yet, let alone been put to use on the water. OH I forgot, this is the internet, you kids are all instant experts.
I agree that you have no right to bash something you have not yet tried but in all fairness, I think most posts are people stating their opinion on the decisions made by Shimano and the direction they chose to take with the new lineup. I don't recall seeing "this reel stinks" or anything similar in any of the posts. Like everything else in the world, the only constant is change. Time will tell and people will get used to the change and either like the product or not. Then we'll see the bashing or the love. I'm sure Shimano will be O.K.
Wonder how many of the posts were from "kids"
rubba bubba reply :
On 7/16/2011 at 9:15 AM, ChiCityBasser said:Bicycles for the posse to ride tall
When you have short-man syndrome, you need all the help you can get..
Fat-G reply :
On 7/16/2011 at 9:36 PM, WdyCrankbait said:I agree, I love my Curdaos, but I got them below list values and I would not pay $199 for my 50E. But, I also invoke a personal rule in order to prevent spending $$ on fishing supplies from getting out of hand. I do not buy anything more then $200 rod or reel. If I cant find good quality reel @ $200 or below, there's a problem.
I want to try out that Zillion Hayden, but probably not being buying one. Diawa has been around for a long time so, I know there good stuff. I have never heard anyone say anything bad about them.
Wait till I get the Type R. 
WdyCrankbait reply :
Those are some high $$ reels Hayden!
(I went up to see AJ and Bryan today @ TE, AJ ended up talking me into some Rage Tails.)
South FLA reply :
1. Shimano/Daiwa
2. everyone else but,..........
Last. Quantum
roadwarrior reply :
Just fun and silly. After we see some user reviews I suspect the tone will change.
Shimano is the leader, the rest are still sprinting to catch up. The bar has been
set high...I'm excited for the reviews.
barroncooper reply :
On 7/17/2011 at 12:28 AM, ww2farmer said:Kind of like all the people bashing the new reels that have not even hit the store shelf yet, let alone been put to use on the water. OH I forgot, this is the internet, you kids are all instant experts.
I don't care if they've hit the stores yet. It doesn't take a genius to figure out whats going on here. whether it was done for economical reasons for the company or what ever, its blatantly transparent. maybe the reels will perform well, actually I know they will. it's just that what has been done seems shady to me for what ever reason it was done. I'm no kid and I don't claim to be an expert. a forum is based on personal opinion right?
Fat-G reply :
On 7/17/2011 at 7:56 AM, roadwarrior said:Just fun and silly. After we see some user reviews I suspect the tone will change.
Shimano is the leader, the rest are still sprinting to catch up. The bar has been
set high...I'm excited for the reviews.
Personally, I think Daiwa sets the industry standard while Shimano will always be known for producing a d**n good reel.
BASSclary reply :
On 7/17/2011 at 10:31 AM, Fat-G said:Personally, I think Daiwa sets the industry standard while Shimano will always be known for producing a d**n good reel.
This.
Bluebasser86 reply :
I'm a Shimano guy and probably always will be. I'll admit I get tired of Shimano changing their lineup all the time but I know there's lots of guys out there that will change their entire arsenal as soon as all the new toys come out. It does seem like Shimano has just switched names and changed prices but without being at the factory while the reel is being assembled how do you know that they are really trying to pull a fast one on their customers? I highly doubt that Shimano thought they could simply change the names on a reel and jack the prices up and nobody would notice. In the end, the quality of your equipment only goes so far. Give someone who has never touched a fishing rod the highest end equipment from any brand name and they probably won't catch anything. If you give KVD a Zebco 33 combo I still like his odds against a vast majority of fishermen out there.
Gone_Phishin reply :
On 7/15/2011 at 9:07 AM, Fat-G said:Having gotten a Cumara a little while back, I'm very dissapointed that they changed all the rods around. I should have waited and saved $30 and just gotten a Crucial.
Sucks for die-hard Shimano fans. All the more reason to go to Daiwa, whose higher end offerings blow Shimano's out of the water.
Have you ever fished with one the DC's? My Steez doesn't give me near the WOW-factor that my DC does.
Fat-G reply :
On 7/17/2011 at 8:42 PM, Gone_Phishin said:Have you ever fished with one the DC's? My Steez doesn't give me near the WOW-factor that my DC does.
Nope, I was comparing the Core to the Steez. They are on the same level, though the Steez is very expensive.
KYntucky Warmouth reply :
What I see is shimano offering a wider variety of quality reels in a price range that daiwa seems to ignore. I'm in no way excited about what shimano has done by what seems to be painting a curado white and black, calling it a Chronarch and raising the price though
SoFlaBassAddict reply :
The one thing that really makes me giggle about all the complaining, is that people have always said it's not bearing count that matters, but bearing quality. Yet there are a bunch of people seriously complaining about there being a bearing or two less. Whatever happened to quality? Like RW mentioned, after they get into the consumers hands, I'm sure we'll all learn that they are still very good quality reels. Shimano wouldn't release a bunch of crap and tarnish the name they've developed over the years.
Gone_Phishin reply :
On 7/17/2011 at 10:04 PM, Fat-G said:Nope, I was comparing the Core to the Steez. They are on the same level, though the Steez is very expensive.
I honestly like my Core almost as much as the Steez. I guess I haven't been blown away by the Steez as much as I anticipated.
In all honesty, my 201DC has ruined me for life...now if we only had a domestic 101DC. 
CKFishin reply :
I want some of the new cronarchs... I am entertained by everyone throwing fits without testing them. It's similar to when gm, ford, or dodge makes changes to their diesels and everyone says it's not gonna work, then they all love it.
baluga reply :
On 7/20/2011 at 3:26 PM, Gone_Phishin said:I honestly like my Core almost as much as the Steez. I guess I haven't been blown away by the Steez as much as I anticipated.
In all honesty, my 201DC has ruined me for life...now if we only had a domestic 101DC.
yep, the DC will really spoil anyone. You would not settled for anything less when you start using the DC.
Glenn reply :
Perhaps of interest...
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-videos/shimano-sustain-fg-video.html
Stasher1 reply :
On 7/20/2011 at 10:59 PM, CKFishin said:I want some of the new cronarchs... I am entertained by everyone throwing fits without testing them. It's similar to when gm, ford, or dodge makes changes to their diesels and everyone says it's not gonna work, then they all love it.
If you've used a Curado 200e, then you've tested the new Chronarch. According to Bantam1, the only real difference between the two is the double anodized spool and handle on the Chronarch which was done for corrosion resistance.
http://www.tackletour.net/TTForums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=33615
Alpster reply :
I love all the forecasts and prognostication about the "New Shimano line up". I have five 50Mgs, two Calcuttas and one DC that I have had for years, so I won't be needing a "New Lineup" for quite a few years yet. The Shimano reels I have will fish with any other brand made and out perform all of them. I have a lot of fishing buddies and have tried most everything out there including the "Steeze". I haven't found anything I would trade my Shimanos for. Still a proud member of the "Shimano Posse". I also have two Stradics, a JDM Sustain (Twin Power) and a Stella. Shimano is tops in the spinning reel world also. JMHO
Ronnie
djmax22 reply :
On 7/21/2011 at 10:18 PM, Alpster said:I love all the forecasts and prognostication about the "New Shimano line up". I have five 50Mgs, two Calcuttas and one DC that I have had for years, so I won't be needing a "New Lineup" for quite a few years yet. The Shimano reels I have will fish with any other brand made and out perform all of them. I have a lot of fishing buddies and have tried most everything out there including the "Steeze". I haven't found anything I would trade my Shimanos for. Still a proud member of the "Shimano Posse". I also have two Stradics, a JDM Sustain (Twin Power) and a Stella. Shimano is tops in the spinning reel world also. JMHO
Ronnie
Those MG are great little reels. I wish they would come out with a 2011 version.
Hooked_On_Bass reply :
On 7/22/2011 at 12:32 AM, djmax22 said:Those MG are great little reels. I wish they would come out with a 2011 version.
They are. I keep two in rotation and one as a shelf queen. Fantastic reels!
catchnm reply :
My first "higher end" baitcasters were the Citica D models. Loved them......until I got a Citica 200E. Wasn't long before the Malaysia made D models were sold off and replaced with 200E models. I now have 5 200E model Citicas. That being said, I have been eyeballing the Curado 200E's since they were first introduced in 2008. Like many others here, the price caused me to shy away from purchasing more than one, and since I always have to have more than one I just bit the bullet and continued to watch them. Then my partner got one off Ebay for like $145 so I casted it a few times and the bullet went off. I have recently purchased one from Ebay at a fantastic closeout price and will order another this afternoon. Why the sudden change of heart? Because this model Curado, the 200E 5&7 will no longer be offered as a Curado. So for the price of a new 2012 Citca I can now own the equivalent of a 2012 Chronarch. I figure that until the line-up changes again that these reels will be highly sought after. I guess you might say that I'm a bit disappointed with the new offerings from my favorite reel manufacturer as well. Not a "posse" member but I have been quite Shimano loyal. I will wait until the 2012 reels get marked down for close-out (probably next year, again I refer to the "D" reels) and then maybe purchase one or two, but until then, I'll be enjoying all my "E" models.
BTW, I'll also be enjoying my Pflueger Trions, BPS reels, and ---> H20 Xpress Mettle reels.<---.....best $50 reels offered anywhere.
CWB reply :
On 7/21/2011 at 2:58 AM, Stasher1 said:If you've used a Curado 200e, then you've tested the new Chronarch. According to Bantam1, the only real difference between the two is the double anodized spool and handle on the Chronarch which was done for corrosion resistance.
http://www.tackletour.net/TTForums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=33615
Like painting a Toyota a different color, calling it a Lexus, and charging more for it.
(Couldn't resist)
barroncooper reply :
On 7/23/2011 at 1:01 AM, CWB said:Like painting a Toyota a different color, calling it a Lexus, and charging more for it.
(Couldn't resist)
that statement is spot on... good call
South FLA reply :
I just picked up a Curado E this past week on eBay for $130 out the door, or should I say a new Chronarch.
Bassn Blvd reply :
LISTEN UP..
I'm a big Shimano fan as much as anyone else. I love my 50mg's UNTIL i tried the Lews tournament pro. I sold all my 50mgs, except one, and replaced them with the Lews.
Do yourself a favor and find a Lews and give it a try. I seriously doubt you will find a better reel at the 170 price range. IMO they are under priced.
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