What Makes A Reel Worth $600 Dollars..??? I Speak Of The Diawa Steez 2024
Stlbob reply :
My wifes brother was in town over the holidays and asked me what i wanted for my BDay..its right at Christmas so most times they give me something from under the tree..lol...I told him i planned on fishing a lot this year...
SO he went out to Cabelas without talking to me first and bought a Diawa Steez...I didnt ask for it,hell i didnt even know something like this was out there.I wont take it back.If i did and he found out he would be crushed.
So what makes it worth this kind of money,and hell i dont have high end rod,i mean they are good rods..
bootytrain reply :
Are you talking about the baitcaster or spinning reel?
bass1980 reply :
All I want to know is.... Does your wife have a sister? I would like to be his brother in law too.
Avaitor63 reply :
That must be the best reel in the world.It must be handcrafted,special metals and gears.It''s got to be very light. 
bootytrain reply :
The spinning reel Steez IMO is not worth the money, they are trying to charge more money than a Stella(magnesium) for a reel that is all Zaion?
The baitcaster gets mixed reviews, guys that love them are fierce about it, then there are guys who had them and didn't like them or didn't think they were worth retail. Granted they started out at $450 and now they jacked the price up to $600 for a reel that's has no improvements over the original, only a longer handle and different colored accents. For $600 at least make both sideplates magnesium. Personally if I were you Id return it and shell out $50 and get a Calais DC 
tomustang reply :
Last time I checked cabelas, the steez was on clearance
SirSnookalot reply :
What makes a reel worth $600 or more is the customer base that's willing to spend the money. Factoring in the R & D, materials being used, shipping, advertising, etc, I would be very surprised that a $600 reel would cost 10 times more to manufacture than a $60 reel. Only the user can answer if it's worth it to them.
If I were fishing offshore 5-6 days a week in my 200k yellowfin, I'd have nothing but Penn torques, stellas or saltigas, but that isn't the case for me..lol.
*Hootie reply :
What makes a reel worth $600.00?....Uhh...nothing. Seriously, in my opinion, the only thing that makes it worth it, is the consumers willingness to pay it. Not "narry another thing"!!
Hootie
Montanaro reply :
It catches more fish
fishingman88 reply :
I personally would exchange the Steez for whatever reel you are most comfortable with and have used quite a bit. In fact, you could get multiple setups with that kind of money.
However, understanding that it is a gift, I would also give it a shot and see if you like it. I personally don't think the Steez is anything special especially for the $$$, but it isn't a bad reel by any means.
I will admit that I have spent over $600+ on a single reel before (Shimano Stella SW series and Van Staals) only because I know they are tried and true in jigging (Stella) and surf fishing ( Van Staals). Both reels have undergone abuse that most reels would have had a higher potential to fail.
I will agree that you should exchange the Steez for a Calais DC though 
That DC whine is soo addicting.
Ima Bass Ninja reply :
Refinement, more expensive components, tolerances, QC, R&D and customer demand are all factors for high price tags on any consumer item. The steez is a great reel and once you fish it side by side with a less expensive reel you will probably notice a difference. Is that difference worth the extra money is a personal decision. It's enthusiasts tackle. Just like people that spend major money on sport,muscle cars.
You sir now own the Lamborghini of bass fishing! Enjoy!
roadwarrior reply :
Now you need the rod to compliment the reel!
*Hootie reply :
On 1/26/2014 at 9:12 PM, roadwarrior said:Now you need the rod to compliment the reel!
That's what I was thinking. You already have the reel. Might as well grab the NRX of your choice and ENJOY!!!
Hootie
shootermcbob reply :
Corny, but the fact that your brother-in-law thinks so highly of you to spend roughly 600 dollars on what he was probably told was the best reel on the market (assuming he doesn't know fishing and either asked or was told which was the "best" reel) ...to me, THAT makes it worth 600 bucks.
I say keep it, keep a reel cover on it at all times when not fishing, and enjoy it.
Plus, now you have a splendid opportunity to go out and purchase a high end rod to match!
K_Mac reply :
Stlbob welcome to the forum from another member of Cardinal Nation!
Your BIL obviously has plenty of cash, though he really doesn't seem to have a great deal of wisdom.
He may be a very good, generous, and well meaning guy but buying anything as high end as the Steez for someone without knowing their needs and wants is a mistake IMO. For the money paid for the reel you could have a very good rod and reel combo that will last even a serious fisherman a life time. With that said I would not risk offending him, so as others have said buy yourself a high end rod to match and enjoy! The only trouble with that is over time you will find there really is a difference in high end gear and probably will want to upgrade everything you have...good luck.
Stlbob reply :
lmao see road warrior and others..i feel guilty putting it on a 75 dollar rod...he had the best intentions.As someone said i can see him going in and asking for the best reel he can buy.Just out of pure luck he got the right reel ( spinning vs baitcasting ).I dont have the money to get the reel the rod it deserves. Im going to start looking on Craigslist and see if i can find a good rod.
.my wife of 30 years told me if i take it back and he were to find out he would be hurt.He is a great brother in law ( and NO not just for the reel..lol) .He and I are very close....
Im going to fish the dang thing..i really would feel awful if he were to come back and ask to see what rod i put it on...i am trying to figure out where to put my burrito at so it can heat it up,its gotta' do more than just hold line...lol..
Tywithay reply :
What makes the reel so expensive is the quality of materials and craftsmanship. Steez can be a bit of a wild child for people that don't have a good thumb. The spool is fast. Because of that, it's very versatile. You can cast light baits, or heavier baits.
If you want a good rod that looks good and performs outside of its price range, check out the Tatula rods.
roadwarrior reply :
Great rod at a modest price: http://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/pinnacle-perfecta-optimus-review.html
baluga reply :
Congrats on your first high end reel. But I do have to warn you, there's no going back now. 
smalljaw67 reply :
On 1/26/2014 at 8:35 PM, Ima Bass Ninja said:Refinement, more expensive components, tolerances, QC, R&D and customer demand are all factors for high price tags on any consumer item. The steez is a great reel and once you fish it side by side with a less expensive reel you will probably notice a difference. Is that difference worth the extra money is a personal decision. It's enthusiasts tackle. Just like people that spend major money on sport,muscle cars.
You sir now own the Lamborghini of bass fishing! Enjoy!
Ima Bass Ninja sums it up perfectly!!!! To put enthusiast reels in perspective you have to look at how few are sold, Shakespear sells more ugly sticks in 1 month than Daiwa sells Steez reels in 1 year, the demographic is less than 1% of the fishing population. Enthusiast level rods and reels are all about refinement, high end material and components and precise tolerances manufactured by skilled workers in Japan and those workers get paid very well, that is why the high price tag. I talked to a pro about these things and what I was told that yes, these expensive Japanese reels and rods and expertly built and worth every penny if you are into the tackle side of it but they are precise instruments, they don't take much abuse, in fact dropping them on a boat 4 or 5 times in a tournament is going to have an effect because the tolerances are so tight but they aren't made to be work horse reels, they are made to be enjoyed by those who respect the tackle as much as the sport itself. Even when I was able to afford high end reels I always stuck to work horse reels in the $120-$250 range and I have a couple that were more expensive and the biggest difference is the refinement, anglers who never fished with reels in the $400 dollar range don't know how smooth manufacturers can make a reel, try using a Chronarch and you think it doesn't get any better and then you use a Core and you realize it just went to a new level and the same with Daiwa, The Advantage was smooth, the Zillion was even better and the type R was a little better and then the Steez came out and the refinement went up another notch. Fish with the Steez and enjoy it, enjoy the fact that you have a brother-in-law that thinks so much of you he drops some serious coin on a piece of equipment for you to use for your past time, that says a lot. Be warned, once you fish with that reel, you'll know how good it is but you really understand when you put it down and pick up a Revo or Lews or the Curado, all really good reels but not in the same class, some guys can't go back after using enthusiast level stuff and end up getting more reels and rods so they don't have to pick up another work horse reel so be careful of the dark side of it.
John G reply :
You have a very nice brother in law! Enjoy the reel!
John G reply :
On 1/26/2014 at 10:04 PM, baluga said:Congrats on your first high end reel. But I do have to warn you, there's no going back now.
No truer words have ever been spoken!
thehooligan reply :
Thats an awesome present !!
Like others said, find a nice rod, tatula would be a good choice and cherish it.
Ima Bass Ninja reply :
On 1/26/2014 at 10:22 PM, smalljaw67 said:Ima Bass Ninja sums it up perfectly!!!! To put enthusiast reels in perspective you have to look at how few are sold, Shakespear sells more ugly sticks in 1 month than Daiwa sells Steez reels in 1 year, the demographic is less than 1% of the fishing population. Enthusiast level rods and reels are all about refinement, high end material and components and precise tolerances manufactured by skilled workers in Japan and those workers get paid very well, that is why the high price tag. I talked to a pro about these things and what I was told that yes, these expensive Japanese reels and rods and expertly built and worth every penny if you are into the tackle side of it but they are precise instruments, they don't take much abuse, in fact dropping them on a boat 4 or 5 times in a tournament is going to have an effect because the tolerances are so tight but they aren't made to be work horse reels, they are made to be enjoyed by those who respect the tackle as much as the sport itself. Even when I was able to afford high end reels I always stuck to work horse reels in the $120-$250 range and I have a couple that were more expensive and the biggest difference is the refinement, anglers who never fished with reels in the $400 dollar range don't know how smooth manufacturers can make a reel, try using a Chronarch and you think it doesn't get any better and then you use a Core and you realize it just went to a new level and the same with Daiwa, The Advantage was smooth, the Zillion was even better and the type R was a little better and then the Steez came out and the refinement went up another notch. Fish with the Steez and enjoy it, enjoy the fact that you have a brother-in-law that thinks so much of you he drops some serious coin on a piece of equipment for you to use for your past time, that says a lot. Be warned, once you fish with that reel, you'll know how good it is but you really understand when you put it down and pick up a Revo or Lews or the Curado, all really good reels but not in the same class, some guys can't go back after using enthusiast level stuff and end up getting more reels and rods so they don't have to pick up another work horse reel so be careful of the dark side of it.
Lots of truth in this post. Especially the part about going back. Heres my story.
I was always a big fan for the pure fishing line. I bought several reels of same design/ different company and was complete happy....or so I thought. Then I went to Japan and had a friend by me a t3mx for my bday. Didn't seems like anything special at the time but when I got out on the water I found myself using this reel more than the others. Then I got a alphas finesse and now am even more impressed with the higher end stuff. I will not be buying 300-400 reels but it has made me come off my $100 only price tag for reels. I usually try to find the higher end stuff on sale and then I feel complete.
Dr. Watson reply :
On 1/26/2014 at 9:39 PM, Stlbob said:lmao see road warrior and others..i feel guilty putting it on a 75 dollar rod...he had the best intentions.As someone said i can see him going in and asking for the best reel he can buy.Just out of pure luck he got the right reel ( spinning vs baitcasting ).I dont have the money to get the reel the rod it deserves. Im going to start looking on Craigslist and see if i can find a good rod.
.my wife of 30 years told me if i take it back and he were to find out he would be hurt.He is a great brother in law ( and NO not just for the reel..lol) .He and I are very close....
Im going to fish the dang thing..i really would feel awful if he were to come back and ask to see what rod i put it on...i am trying to figure out where to put my burrito at so it can heat it up,its gotta' do more than just hold line...lol..
I'd look at the Fishing Flea Market on here first, you can pick up some great deals and usually the other members are looking to help each other out. Sounds like a great B-Day gift, I'm sure you'll like it more when you get it out on the water.
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
It is an "ultra-refined" reel.. That is basically it.
Fishwhittler reply :
I would avoid Craigslist for a rod, or really buying any rod sight unseen unless you know the guy selling it. Graphite rods can be damaged without appearing to be, and then they break seemingly without cause when put under load.
My advice, check with Valley Sports and see if Ron can set you up with a nice $100 - $150 rod. I've heard a lot of good things about the new Daiwa Tatula rods, which are right in that price range. Don't have one yet, but I plan on it. Also been hearing very good reviews on the *** *** Black rods, which are also in the $100 price point.
As far as your reel, unless you get a lemon, you'll definitely notice a difference between a $600 reel and a $60 reel. The tolerances will be closer, machining will be better, the reel will have fewer rough edges, higher quality bearings and build materials, etc., lots of little things that add up to a heck of a reel.
bootytrain reply :
On 1/27/2014 at 5:26 AM, aprw1 said:It is an "ultra-refined" reel.. That is basically it.
Yeah that's what you tend to hear about the Steez. Its not the longest casting(Calais DC) or has the strongest drag(Revos), or the lightest anymore (Revo MGxtreme), And doesn't even have the most advanced braking in Daiwas own lineup(Mag 3D )but people say its ultra refined, which is definitely a plus when fishing for extended periods of time. I think its time for new flagship from Daiwa, and if its going to be $600 then it better have a magnesium frame and BOTH sideplates(like the Core 100s and Antares), a new braking system, stronger drag, and the T-Wing, be the longest casting in Daiwas lineup and either stay the same weight or lighter. Then it might be worth the $$.
jignfule reply :
Pay your brother in law back. Go out and enjoy the reel, take care of it, and don't feel guilty. The one thing your brother in law wanted to do was to make you happy. Be happy and thankful and go have a lot of fun. (be sure to tell him thanks and relay stories about the fish you catch with it.)
Bass avoid me reply :
That is the very best piece of advice I have read throughout this thread. Very well put and that is what your BIL intended.
On 1/27/2014 at 7:33 AM, jignfule said:Pay your brother in law back. Go out and enjoy the reel, take care of it, and don't feel guilty. The one thing your brother in law wanted to do was to make you happy. Be happy and thankful and go have a lot of fun. (be sure to tell him thanks and relay stories about the fish you catch with it.)
Lucky Craft Man reply :
First, the reel might not be worth the money, but now that you have it, fish it hard and enjoy every moment of it. Second, I would do what you can to match that reel to a nice rod (sell old gear, scan the forum For Sale section for great deals, collect change from the cars, etc.). Once you get a nice high end balanced combo, your fishing enjoyment will go up expernentially (though, I am not sure if a high end combo will increase your catch rate, but who cares, you'll be fishing with a Steez).
Tywithay reply :
On 1/27/2014 at 6:51 AM, bootytrain said:Yeah that's what you tend to hear about the Steez. Its not the longest casting(Calais DC) or has the strongest drag(Revos), or the lightest anymore (Revo MGxtreme), And doesn't even have the most advanced braking in Daiwas own lineup(Mag 3D )but people say its ultra refined, which is definitely a plus when fishing for extended periods of time. I think its time for new flagship from Daiwa, and if its going to be $600 then it better have a magnesium frame and BOTH sideplates(like the Core 100s and Antares), a new braking system, stronger drag, and the T-Wing, be the longest casting in Daiwas lineup and either stay the same weight or lighter. Then it might be worth the $$.
Steez can outcast a Calais all day with certain weights. A Calais DC can't cast very well under 1/2 oz. And I'd rather have a smooth drag than a strong drag. There's a lot of things that go into making a reel good, not just having the most of this or that.
bootytrain reply :
On 1/27/2014 at 8:46 AM, Tywithay said:Steez can outcast a Calais all day with certain weights. A Calais DC can't cast very well under 1/2 oz. And I'd rather have a smooth drag than a strong drag. There's a lot of things that go into making a reel good, not just having the most of this or that.
And what weights would those be? I have my doubts about that. My Exsence DC can cast quite well and very far under 12 oz. I'm sure the Calais would do just as well with the more adjustable system that it has. I'm not saying the Steez is a bad reel, just not worth the current price Daiwa wants for it IMO. Needs to bring a lot more to the table than "ultra refinement".
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
Apparently, Mg costs about $2.5 per pound.. I just don't get why Daiwa didn't make the palm sideplate Mg. The steez is not worth the $ at all IMO, and I think daiwa ought to make a new flagship reel and also a $300-450 reel to compete with the Metanium and antares. Oh, and it better not be 100 sized. Way too much line capacity for me.
Tywithay reply :
On 1/27/2014 at 9:53 AM, bootytrain said:And what weights would those be? I have my doubts about that. My Exsence DC can cast quite well and very far under 12 oz. I'm sure the Calais would do just as well with the more adjustable system that it has. I'm not saying the Steez is a bad reel, just not worth the current price Daiwa wants for it IMO. Needs to bring a lot more to the table than "ultra refinement".
The Steez has the highest quality bearings that Daiwa uses, and more of them. It has a stronger drag than the Calais DC, even though it weighs nearly 4oz. less. A much lighter spool than the Calais as well. You can cast a 1/4oz little jig with it, the Calais can't cast below 3/8oz worth a crap (I know because I've tried, having owned both). They're really two different reels with two different purposes. The Calais DC was meant to be a long casting powerhouse, the Steez was meant to be a lightweight, ultra-refined fishing machine. The Steez is still the best of the best when it comes to lightweight baitcasters. The Calais DC isn't the best when it comes to long casting anymore. The Z2020, or even the new Antares, can cast every bit as far; plus they weigh a lot less.
On 1/27/2014 at 10:06 AM, aprw1 said:Apparently, Mg costs about $2.5 per pound.. I just don't get why Daiwa didn't make the palm sideplate Mg. The steez is not worth the $ at all IMO, and I think daiwa ought to make a new flagship reel and also a $300-450 reel to compete with the Metanium and antares. Oh, and it better not be 100 sized. Way too much line capacity for me.
I don't know about the Steez EX, but my Steez has a magnesium palm sideplate. If they went with zaion on the EX it was probably for weight savings, plus the fact that that particular sideplate has zero effect on the strength or integrity of the reel.
OK Bass Hunter reply :
It's worth whatever the market will bear. It's the difference between freedom and communism.
bootytrain reply :
On 1/27/2014 at 10:28 AM, Tywithay said:The Steez has the highest quality bearings that Daiwa uses, and more of them. It has a stronger drag than the Calais DC, even though it weighs nearly 4oz. less. A much lighter spool than the Calais as well. You can cast a 1/4oz little jig with it, the Calais can't cast below 3/8oz worth a crap (I know because I've tried, having owned both). They're really two different reels with two different purposes. The Calais DC was meant to be a long casting powerhouse, the Steez was meant to be a lightweight, ultra-refined fishing machine. The Steez is still the best of the best when it comes to lightweight baitcasters. The Calais DC isn't the best when it comes to long casting anymore. The Z2020, or even the new Antares, can cast every bit as far; plus they weigh a lot less.
I don't know about the Steez EX, but my Steez has a magnesium palm sideplate. If they went with zaion on the EX it was probably for weight savings, plus the fact that that particular sideplate has zero effect on the strength or integrity of the reel.
The Steez has 1 more bearing? And a lot of people who service reels say that the Calais DC has the highest quality bearings from a stock reel they've ever seen and theres no need to upgrade. Tackletour measured the Steez drag at 8.8lbs, the Calais DC 12.6lbs. According to Japan Tackle, the Antares/Calais DC cast a 5/8 plug on 14lb test 118 meters. The new Antares cant do that, and I doubt the Z can either and until someone actually proves it can with a measured test from a reputable source or video, Ill go with the Calais DC. Its obvious you like the Steez and theres no doubt its a great reel and I would love to have one, but would YOU pay $600 for a new one?
Tywithay reply :
On 1/27/2014 at 11:17 AM, bootytrain said:The Steez has 1 more bearing? And a lot of people who service reels say that the Calais DC has the highest quality bearings from a stock reel they've ever seen and theres no need to upgrade. Tackletour measured the Steez drag at 8.8lbs, the Calais DC 12.6lbs. According to Japan Tackle, the Antares/Calais DC cast a 5/8 plug on 14lb test 118 meters. The new Antares cant do that, and I doubt the Z can either and until someone actually proves it can with a measured test from a reputable source or video, Ill go with the Calais DC. Its obvious you like the Steez and theres no doubt its a great reel and I would love to have one, but would YOU pay $600 for a new one?
I was referring to the new Steez, which has over 13lbs of drag. I like lots of reels, and I wouldn't say the Steez is even my favorite. I do recognize how great it is though. I like the Calais DC a lot too for certain techniques. Ended up selling it because I felt the Z2020 performed better. The Z2020 is probably the best overall reel I've ever used, wish they'd make a smaller version. Not counting flagship, enthusiast level reels, I'd say my favorite is the Chronarch CI4+, it's not as refined as those more expensive reels, but the performance blew me away. I also have 4 Tatula's, and they're great too for the money. To answer your final question, I wouldn't pay $600 for any reel, and never have. I don't think there's any reel I'd even pay retail for, to be honest. There's too many good deals and sales to pay the extra.
jeb2 reply :
On 1/27/2014 at 9:53 AM, bootytrain said:And what weights would those be? I have my doubts about that. My Exsence DC can cast quite well and very far under 12 oz. I'm sure the Calais would do just as well with the more adjustable system that it has. I'm not saying the Steez is a bad reel, just not worth the current price Daiwa wants for it IMO. Needs to bring a lot more to the table than "ultra refinement".
Agreed. I own 2 Steez's and 2 Calais DC's. The DC's are still box stock (except for regular service) and just fantastic reels. The Steez's (103 and 100) have been tuned and that made them better, but they are hard to control in anything but ideal situations. The DC will cast almost anything from 4" t-rigged senkos on up the bass lure scale with the right rod. And where they really shine is in the wind. Try casting a wiggle wart, for example, with the Steez into the wind and then try it with the Calais and it'll make a believer out of you. The Steez takes a lot of adjustment to adapt to wind/cross wind, and by the time you get done fiddling with it, it doesn't cast as far as most much less expensive reels. Both will chunk a 1/2oz jigging spoon a LONG way in ideal conditions, but the DC is far more versatile and far less fussy. The DC is far heavier though, and the metal side plates are d**n cold in the winter time. So pluses and minuses.
I also have 2 Core 50's. To me, that's about what a Steez should sell for. In the right conditions, the Steez can out cast a 50 by a small margin, and both are very smooth, refined reels. The 50 gains a lot of points in my boat for being much less fussy. It's not all Daiwa's that are this wild, either. My Pixy Type-R, for example, is a very well mannered reel that is far less fussy, and it is stock.
Congrats on the great present, and that's a great BIL, no doubt. My advice would be to dial in a lot of spool tension and braking when you start using the reel, and back them down as you get used to it. Much less bird nests that way.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Use and treasure the gift. With that said, the only thing that makes any product worth any price is the market's willingness to pay as already stated. The point of diminishing returns on a bait cast reel is around $300. I agree completely with the comparison to the Core. I see more issues with Steez's than I'd expect from a high end reel.
Hyrule Bass reply :
On 1/26/2014 at 1:25 PM, Stlbob said:My wifes brother was in town over the holidays and asked me what i wanted for my BDay..its right at Christmas so most times they give me something from under the tree..lol...I told him i planned on fishing a lot this year...
SO he went out to Cabelas without talking to me first and bought a Diawa Steez...I didnt ask for it,hell i didnt even know something like this was out there.I wont take it back.If i did and he found out he would be crushed.
So what makes it worth this kind of money,and hell i dont have high end rod,i mean they are good rods..
not to hurt anyones feelings here, but what makes it worth $600 is all the dumb people willing to buy it. unless youre talking about a monster salt water reel, no fresh water reel should ever be worth that much in my opinion. especially when i can catch the same fish on a reel under $100 or less...
Tywithay reply :
On 1/27/2014 at 11:30 PM, Red Earth said:not to hurt anyones feelings here, but what makes it worth $600 is all the dumb people willing to buy it. unless youre talking about a monster salt water reel, no fresh water reel should ever be worth that much in my opinion. especially when i can catch the same fish on a reel under $100 or less...
You can catch a fish on a string tied to a stick, not the point. I don't know if it's ***, or what, but it always seems people with the strongest opinions have never even used the reel.
Stlbob reply :
ok guys this was meant to be a pleasant exchange of ideas..this is not a Chevy vs Ford.I worked in the automotive industry for almost 30 years until i got hurt badly.( i have the Brooklyn bridge in my neck)..
I have yet to put line on it..i am going to ask about that here real soon..as someone said for 'ME' i could never justify a 600.00 dollar reel,BUT fate and love has put one in my hand and im going to fish with it and think of him every time im out with it.
Jrob78 reply :
On 1/28/2014 at 2:05 AM, Stlbob said:ok guys this was meant to be a pleasant exchange of ideas..this is not a Chevy vs Ford.I worked in the automotive industry for almost 30 years until i got hurt badly.( i have the Brooklyn bridge in my neck)..
I have yet to put line on it..i am going to ask about that here real soon..as someone said for 'ME' i could never justify a 600.00 dollar reel,BUT fate and love has put one in my hand and im going to fish with it and think of him every time im out with it.
Good for you Bob! I hope you enjoy the heck out of your new reel.
Maico1 reply :
im going to fish with it and think of him every time im out with it.
That is exactly what you should do..enjoy.
Hyrule Bass reply :
On 1/28/2014 at 1:36 AM, Tywithay said:You can catch a fish on a string tied to a stick, not the point. I don't know if it's ***, or what, but it always seems people with the strongest opinions have never even used the reel.
its nothing to do with ***, i can go out and spend $600 on a reel if i wanted to, but why would i is the question? i dont need to use the reel to know that there are other very good options out there for a hell of a lot less money that can handle any bass i hook. if you like having your pockets raped, by all means, enjoy. but no one is going to convince me a $600 reel is going to help me catch anymore bass than i could with a less expensive reel. its not going to make you a better angler or put more fish in your boat.
Stlbob, im just speaking from my personal perspective as well. but hey, since you were gifted a reel of that price, enjoy. i hope you have great success. i just cant justify myself spending that kind of money either. but honestly, i dont know why anyone would willingly spend that kind of money on a fishing reel. fishing stuff is getting expensive as it is, paying those kind of prices isnt going to help the cost of fishing go down, its gonna fuel companies to keep raising their prices for lures and tackle, rods and reels...
roadwarrior reply :
On 1/28/2014 at 2:05 AM, Stlbob said:ok guys this was meant to be a pleasant exchange of ideas.
Lots of guys have a severe case of cabin fever this time of year.
I think you should just enjoy your reel and be thankful for a family
that loves you.
If you are going to use the Steez on an "all-purpose" rig, I will suggest
buying a 7' MHF rod, specifically this one: http://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/review-pinnacle-rod-reel.html
Tywithay reply :
On 1/28/2014 at 3:11 AM, Red Earth said:its nothing to do with ***, i can go out and spend $600 on a reel if i wanted to, but why would i is the question? i dont need to use the reel to know that there are other very good options out there for a hell of a lot less money that can handle any bass i hook. if you like having your pockets raped, by all means, enjoy. but no one is going to convince me a $600 reel is going to help me catch anymore bass than i could with a less expensive reel. its not going to make you a better angler or put more fish in your boat.
Stlbob, im just speaking from my personal perspective as well. but hey, since you were gifted a reel of that price, enjoy. i hope you have great success. i just cant justify myself spending that kind of money either. but honestly, i dont know why anyone would willingly spend that kind of money on a fishing reel. fishing stuff is getting expensive as it is, paying those kind of prices isnt going to help the cost of fishing go down, its gonna fuel companies to keep raising their prices for lures and tackle, rods and reels...
It's not about catching more fish. It's about getting the most enjoyable experience as you can out on the water. Some people get a sense of excitement knowing they're using the best reel. The refinement, and smoothness, and all of that makes it a better experience for them. If it was solely about catching fish, everyone would be fine with ugly stiks and zebco 33s.
tomustang reply :
On 1/28/2014 at 2:05 AM, Stlbob said:)
I have yet to put line on it..i am going to ask about that here real soon.
Consensus will say 12 lb in either tats fluro or yo zuri hybrid
*Hootie reply :
On 1/27/2014 at 11:30 PM, Red Earth said:not to hurt anyones feelings here, but what makes it worth $600 is all the dumb people willing to buy it. unless youre talking about a monster salt water reel, no fresh water reel should ever be worth that much in my opinion. especially when i can catch the same fish on a reel under $100 or less...
I wouldn't spend $600.00 on a reel, but who cares. You would rather fish with a $100.00 reel, who cares. No reason to get torqued. I haven't heard anyone on this topic yet, offer to buy you, or I one, so we probably wont have deal with the torture of fishing with one....lol.
Hootie
Stlbob reply :
RW thats a really good looking rod your right this reel and the rod i get are going to be used for a little of everything.
Going to see if Cabelas or Bass Pro carry it,well then getting the moneys together.I collect vintage lures and it seems to be the right time to do some selling.
tomustang reply :
On 1/28/2014 at 6:02 AM, Stlbob said:RW thats a really good looking rod your right this reel and the rod i get are going to be used for a little of everything.
Going to see if Cabelas or Bass Pro carry it,well then getting the moneys together.I collect vintage lures and it seems to be the right time to do some selling.
I haven't seen one in either store. Also the cabelas outside St Louis has a poor selection of rods to try out.
Trek reply :
If my partner got on my boat and said he just spent $600 on a reel and or comb ( I can't see it happening ). I would say sweat ! It's like all that fancy what ever ? Who cares ? If you got it spend it. Let's go fishing and catch some fish.
SirSnookalot reply :
I would enjoy just about any reel I received as a gift, except something I had no use for, in that case I'm sure the presenter would have no problem with that.
When it comes to me purchasing equipment, it's totally about the fish, why else am I out there. Given the choice I'll take great fish on an average gear over average fish on great gear every day of the year. That's the enjoyment that fits my mindset.
jeb2 reply :
On 1/28/2014 at 2:33 PM, SirSnookalot said:Given the choice I'll take great fish on an average gear over average fish on great gear every day of the year. That's the enjoyment that fits my mindset.
There are more choices than that, though. How about great fish on great gear? Nothing wrong with your way of enjoying the sport, but it's not like you have to make a choice to only catch average fish if you have high end gear, as your post implies.
Hogsticker reply :
Just use it! Is it worth 600 bucks? Who cares! You didn't pay for it!! Steez are very nice, versatile reels. It will be a pleasure to fish with and I'm sure that is what your BIL intended. If someone gifted me a Steez I would be jumping with joy!!!
Grantman83 reply :
Plain and simple enjoy the reel. I've spent boatloads of cash upgrading and customizing reels to my preference. It's no different than people who tinker and play with their cars, motorcycles, guns etc. I get outfished all the time by guys with lesser equipment. Doesn't change the fact that I love having higher end, customized and custom painted stuff. It just makes the experience more enjoyable for me and in the end isn't that what fishing is all about?
Hyrule Bass reply :
On 1/28/2014 at 4:10 AM, Tywithay said:It's not about catching more fish. It's about getting the most enjoyable experience as you can out on the water. Some people get a sense of excitement knowing they're using the best reel. The refinement, and smoothness, and all of that makes it a better experience for them. If it was solely about catching fish, everyone would be fine with ugly stiks and zebco 33s.
if its the equipments price point that makes it enjoyable to you, then youre looking at it all wrong. i have an old $20 shakespeare tiger spincast combo i got from walmart that has lasted me several years(maybe 7 now) and is still going strong. i have had many of my most enjoyable fishing moments fishing this combo and still use it to this day. ive hauled in 24 inch striped bass with this combo, no problem. and plenty of fiesty catfish too. 20inch+ bass, yep. so really, my point is, the price of the reel or the name on it shouldnt matter when it comes to enjoying yourself. i enjoy the act of fishing, has nothing to do with the equipment. id get enjoyment if all i had were a cane pole or a soda bottle with line wrapped around it. so no, im not buying that enjoyment bs.
and seriously, i stated my intentions werent to hurt anyones feelings(ie- dont want to talk bad about anyone), but i also stated my opinion bluntly as i could without beating around the bush. a $600 reel for bass is a waste of money in my eyes, and they sell for that price because the people making them know there are people dumb enough to buy it. once again, sorry, but there is no way to change my mind on this, paying that much for a bass fishing reel is not justifiable by any means, that price is pretty ridiculous no matter how you look at it
Hogsticker reply :
Different stroke 4 different folks, but referring to someone who spends there own hard earned cash on a 600 reel dumb, is more dumb......Don't justify your statements by saying "not to hurt anyones feelings".
roadwarrior reply :
Well, I think you have made your point...a couple of times.
The other side of this conversation has also made their point
and they (we) don't think anyone should be telling us how to
spend our money! Most of the guys "wasting" big bucks are
full grown men that have spent most of their adult lives working
hard to get where they are.
Tywithay reply :
I don't drink, don't smoke, don't hunt, or collect anything. I choose to spend my money on fishing. If someone thinks that's dumb...I don't give two squirts of duck dung. I get more excitement feeling the bite on my $575 rod than I did getting lucky with an ugly stik.
SirSnookalot reply :
On 1/28/2014 at 8:47 PM, jeb2 said:There are more choices than that, though. How about great fish on great gear? Nothing wrong with your way of enjoying the sport, but it's not like you have to make a choice to only catch average fish if you have high end gear, as your post implies.
Assuming one is catching great fish..........For me anyway a 10 or 15 pounder is nice fish but nothing special, fighting one for 5 or 6 minutes is fun, but nothing out of the ordinary. My criteria of a great fish is somewhat different. I judge reels used nearly 7 days a week, used in harsh elements for a good 6 months before I even consider durability. Most of my reels have passed the grade but not all, they are not $600 and many of them are 5 years old. I used a bailess Van Staal today, I'll stick with my gear. What some spend is their business and it doesn't affect me. I spend what I think is appropriate for me, don't think for a second I'm not enjoying.
jeb2 reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 1:18 AM, SirSnookalot said:QuoteThere are more choices than that, though. How about great fish on great gear? Nothing wrong with your way of enjoying the sport, but it's not like you have to make a choice to only catch average fish if you have high end gear, as your post implies.Assuming one is catching great fish..........For me anyway a 10 or 15 pounder is nice fish but nothing special, fighting one for 5 or 6 minutes is fun, but nothing out of the ordinary. My criteria of a great fish is somewhat different. I judge reels used nearly 7 days a week, used in harsh elements for a good 6 months before I even consider durability. Most of my reels have passed the grade but not all, they are not $600 and many of them are 5 years old. I used a bailess Van Staal today, I'll stick with my gear. What some spend is their business and it doesn't affect me. I spend what I think is appropriate for me, don't think for a second I'm not enjoying.
You completely mis-understood my comment. It had nothing to do with durability, but rather your point that one has to make a choice to catch lesser fish if they spend more on fishing tackle.
Grantman83 reply :
Again. I see people discounting those who spend a lot of money as ridiculous or dumb.
First, none of those who spend a lot on reels claimed that those who don't aren't getting enjoyment out of fishing. It is understood that you enjoy fishing even with a zebco etc so there is no need to ram that point home whenever somebody says they enjoy more expensive stuff.
Second, there are many fisherman here who may not spend a ton on gear, but may direct it to other hobbies such as cars, guns, hunting etc. Would I claim that spending money for a better gun, better additions towards fixing up a car or the best hunting equipment are wasting their money or are dumb? Absolutely not because I understand that certain people prefer to spend their money in different areas even if I wouldn't.
My father has spent large amounts on high prices watches and model Indy cars both of which I have no interest in. But you know what, it makes him happy.
Don't be so quick to judge others as foolish or wasteful when others would make the same judgement on you.
Rant over
Team9nine reply :
On 1/26/2014 at 1:25 PM, Stlbob said:So what makes it worth this kind of money,and hell i dont have high end rod,i mean they are good rods..
The answer of what makes a certain reel worth that kind of money is the same as what makes anything (cars, cameras, antique lures, etc., etc.) valuable. It's things like
- the precision workmanship and incredibly tight tolerances that go into the design and building of the item (think Lexus vs. Cavalier),
- the cost and labor of certain rare or difficult to manufacture materials used in the product,
- the overall rarity of the item (mass produced vs. only a few, hard to obtain, poor or limited distribution channels, etc. - look at how much anglers paid for early Shad Raps, Chatterbaits or A-rigs when they first caught on but weren't widely available),
- the cost of new and innovative technology incorporated into the item though not yet in widespread use (think of how much we used to pay for calculators and the first computers compared to what you get for the money now),
- the overall demand for such items (highly sought in Japan where they are manufactured - good old economic supply and demand),
- as well as the personal value someone attributes to owning such a piece.
As eBay has proven, the ultimate value of anything is only how much someone else is willing to pay for it. Enjoy using such a fine reel, or keep it in the box and save it as 'new' so it retains value. Either way, it really has little to do with catching fish. For a better idea of this particular reels features and what makes it special, see Tackle Tours review from 2006 when they first got their hands on one: http://www.tackletour.com/reviewdaiwasteez.html
-T9
bootytrain reply :
The price shot up $150 for mostly cosmetic tweaks.On 1/29/2014 at 2:40 AM, Team9nine said:The answer of what makes a certain reel worth that kind of money is the same as what makes anything (cars, cameras, antique lures, etc., etc.) valuable. It's things like
As eBay has proven, the ultimate value of anything is only how much someone else is willing to pay for it. Enjoy using such a fine reel, or keep it in the box and save it as 'new' so it retains value. Either way, it really has little to do with catching fish. For a better idea of this particular reels features and what makes it special, see Tackle Tours review from 2006 when they first got their hands on one: http://www.tackletour.com/reviewdaiwasteez.html
- the precision workmanship and incredibly tight tolerances that go into the design and building of the item (think Lexus vs. Cavalier),
- the cost and labor of certain rare or difficult to manufacture materials used in the product,
- the overall rarity of the item (mass produced vs. only a few, hard to obtain, poor or limited distribution channels, etc. - look at how much anglers paid for early Shad Raps, Chatterbaits or A-rigs when they first caught on but weren't widely available),
- the cost of new and innovative technology incorporated into the item though not yet in widespread use (think of how much we used to pay for calculators and the first computers compared to what you get for the money now),
- the overall demand for such items (highly sought in Japan where they are manufactured - good old economic supply and demand),
- as well as the personal value someone attributes to owning such a piece.
-T9
K_Mac reply :
Red Earth you have often argued that your Ugly Stiks are as good as you or anyone else needs to be a good bass fisherman. You have said that it is stupid to spend more on gear than you do, since you catch as many fish as most anyone else and have a good time doing it. You tell us that it is because we are willing to pay more than you for over-priced and unnecessary gear that it makes fishing more expensive for everyone. The overwhelming majority of fishermen on this site would disagree with you. Many of us have tried repeatedly to explain that there are some issues here that you are unwilling or unable to understand. You have made your point. I hope I've made mine...
A-Jay reply :
Man - It's like the Hatfield's and the McCoys all up in here.
A-Jay
K_Mac reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 6:35 AM, A-Jay said:Man - It's like the Hatfield's and the McCoys all up in here.
A-Jay
Just a spirited exchange of ideas my friend. 
Teal reply :
Sounds like there's a few guys on here that could use a Snickers bar.
A-Jay reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 6:42 AM, Teal said:Sounds like there's a few guys on here that could use a Snickers bar.
LOL ~
Sometimes you feel like a nut . . . . . .
A-Jay
Trek reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 6:44 AM, A-Jay said:LOL ~
Sometimes you feel like a nut . . . . . .
A-Jay
No that's Almond Joy not Snickers.
A-Jay reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 6:57 AM, Trek said:No that's Almond Joy not Snickers.
I knew that - I was playing the Straight Man . . . .
A-Jay
K_Mac reply :
I could go for a Snickers bar...
Jrob78 reply :
This issue is the same as many others in life. People feel the need to put other people down because it makes them feel better about themselves. This especially holds true in matters concerning money. That's the where the term "hater" comes from.
Team9nine reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 5:01 AM, bootytrain said:The price shot up $150 for mostly cosmetic tweaks.
My response was to address his general question of why a JDM/enthusiast reel like the Steez cost 3-4X your typical outfit. As I know you're well aware, that reels actual $150 price increase (intro'ed 2006 Japan, 2008 US @ $450 - Now $600) has been pretty well documented to be attributed to the drop of the Yen to the US Dollar. From 2006 - Dec. 2012, the Yen lost 36% to the dollar while the Steez has risen 34% in price. They've simply kept pace with the decline to maintain profit margins. Only in the last year has the Yen started to recover about half that value. Fortunately, Japanese inflation has been completely flat, otherwise they'd probably be charging more by now.
-T9
Maico1 reply :
First of all this is not intended to hurt your feeling for I do not want to talk bad about you and at the same time do want to beat around the bush. However I must ask you why do you feel the need to call people "Dumb and Wrong" because they spend more than you on their Fishing Gear and enjoy using it just as much as you claim you do.On 1/29/2014 at 12:39 AM, Red Earth said:if its the equipments price point that makes it enjoyable to you, then youre looking at it all wrong. i have an old $20 shakespeare tiger spincast combo i got from walmart that has lasted me several years(maybe 7 now) and is still going strong. i have had many of my most enjoyable fishing moments fishing this combo and still use it to this day. ive hauled in 24 inch striped bass with this combo, no problem. and plenty of fiesty catfish too. 20inch+ bass, yep. so really, my point is, the price of the reel or the name on it shouldnt matter when it comes to enjoying yourself. i enjoy the act of fishing, has nothing to do with the equipment. id get enjoyment if all i had were a cane pole or a soda bottle with line wrapped around it. so no, im not buying that enjoyment bs.
and seriously, i stated my intentions werent to hurt anyones feelings(ie- dont want to talk bad about anyone), but i also stated my opinion bluntly as i could without beating around the bush. a $600 reel for bass is a waste of money in my eyes, and they sell for that price because the people making them know there are people dumb enough to buy it. once again, sorry, but there is no way to change my mind on this, paying that much for a bass fishing reel is not justifiable by any means, that price is pretty ridiculous no matter how you look at it
You my fellow board member need to understand that you could certainly get your point across without the need to call people Dumb and Wrong because they do not see the world as you do. Which makes me wonder why do you even respond in such a crass way when no one else has made such statements . I must say I do have some advice for you, and that would be you may want to change your Moniker to "Scorched Earth" because bluntly that is your approach......
bootytrain reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 8:18 AM, Team9nine said:My response was to address his general question of why a JDM/enthusiast reel like the Steez cost 3-4X your typical outfit. As I know you're well aware, that reels actual $150 price increase (intro'ed 2006 Japan, 2008 US @ $450 - Now $600) has been pretty well documented to be attributed to the drop of the Yen to the US Dollar. From 2006 - Dec. 2012, the Yen lost 36% to the dollar while the Steez has risen 34% in price. They've simply kept pace with the decline to maintain profit margins. Only in the last year has the Yen started to recover about half that value. Fortunately, Japanese inflation has been completely flat, otherwise they'd probably be charging more by now.
-T9
A few holes in your argument guy. Im well aware of the fluctuating dollar/yen ratio. The past year its been in our favor and buying reels from Japan is cheaper than getting the equivalent models here now and has been for awhile. Daiwa went the wrong way in their strategy IMO(until the release of the Tatula) by raising prices and coming out with high end models that the average angler couldn't afford or couldn't justify the price. Just look at the Z200. In Japan they are retailing for slightly cheaper than the Steez, but here they wanted $650 and Tackle warehouse barely sold any so they are dropping the model and currently trying to clear the remaining inventory at half price.
1. Steez and Calais DC came out around the same time, yet Calais DC has remained the same price. Both still made in Japan
2. The cost of certain tackle went up due to the strong yen but also the fact that they were made in Japan(higher yen=higher labor cost)
Shimano came out with the made in Malaysia Curado G and priced it accordingly, Daiwa came out with the made in Thailand T3s and wanted $430? now
T3s are now discounted heavily.
3. If you are going to jack the price up by $150 then at least give us 1 major improvement. Daiwa should have no problem fitting the Steez with
Magforce 3D at least?
bootytrain reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 8:58 AM, Maico1 said:First of all this is not intended to hurt your feeling for I do not want to talk bad about you and at the same time do want to beat around the bush. However I must ask you why do you feel the need to call people "Dumb and Wrong" because they spend more than you on their Fishing Gear and enjoy using it just as much as you claim you do.
You my fellow board member need to understand that you could certainly get your point across without the need to call people Dumb and Wrong because they do not see the world as you do. Which makes me wonder why do you even respond in such a crass way when no one else has made such statements . I must say I do have some advice for you, and that would be you may want to change your Moniker to "Scorched Earth" because bluntly that is your approach......
Look at it like this, going out and getting skunked for 8 hours with a super smooth/refined/super lightweight Core 50 is a lot more pleasureable than going out and getting skunked with a heavier/less smooth/less refined Citica E, which Ive done SEVERAL times lol.. Everybody is having fun when you are catching fish, but the days where you aren't is where the high end tackle helps out a lot with the experience. That's what that guy is refusing to try to understand.
Team9nine reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 9:13 AM, bootytrain said:A few holes in your argument guy. Im well aware of the fluctuating dollar/yen ratio. The past year its been in our favor and buying reels from Japan is cheaper than getting the equivalent models here now and has been for awhile. Daiwa went the wrong way in their strategy IMO(until the release of the Tatula) by raising prices and coming out with high end models that the average angler couldn't afford or couldn't justify the price. Just look at the Z200. In Japan they are retailing for slightly cheaper than the Steez, but here they wanted $650 and Tackle warehouse barely sold any so they are dropping the model and currently trying to clear the remaining inventory at half price.
1. Steez and Calais DC came out around the same time, yet Calais DC has remained the same price. Both still made in Japan
2. The cost of certain tackle went up due to the strong yen but also the fact that they were made in Japan(higher yen=higher labor cost)
Shimano came out with the made in Malaysia Curado G and priced it accordingly, Daiwa came out with the made in Thailand T3s and wanted $430? now
T3s are now discounted heavily.
3. If you are going to jack the price up by $150 then at least give us 1 major improvement. Daiwa should have no problem fitting the Steez with
Magforce 3D at least?
This is all old ground from TT forum. Multiple ways for companies to skin the same cat. Just because one company chose to hold prices on a particular model doesn't mean anything in regards to why the other didn't. Multiple reasons why this could be so from a business standpoint. If it really bugs you so much, just e-mail Daiwa and ask them - maybe you'll get your answer.
-T9
bootytrain reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 9:30 AM, Team9nine said:This is all old ground from TT forum. Multiple ways for companies to skin the same cat. Just because one company chose to hold prices on a particular model doesn't mean anything in regards to why the other didn't. Multiple reasons why this could be so from a business standpoint. If it really bugs you so much, just e-mail Daiwa and ask them - maybe you'll get your answer.
-T9
I know because Im on TT. Daiwas business strategy doesn't bug me at all, makes me laugh a little though In case you forgot, the OP was wanting opinions on why they want 600 for the Steez and Im giving my opinion.
Stlbob reply :
you know guys i have fished my whole life i was 7 i caught a 17lb black carp,by myself...stomach was sore for a week from the rod butt digging in.Had my pic on the tackle shop wall until i was 12...I say all this because fishing is a part of my earliest memorys.Its a part of my life not just a hobby.
I started this thread because i had NO CLUE that a 600.00 dollar reel was even made..I only knew after i spent a moment on the internet..I was floored...I asked the question because i wanted to know how a perfectly good reel could be had for a hundred dollars yet a reel was out there that cost 6x more.I was hoping to clearly see what that difference was,not get everybody ticking on each others leg.i didnt right ticking i guess its some sort of censor software...but you know what i meant.
So be mellow..fishing is far to much fun for all these hostil vibes,man.Yes im a cheech and chong fan...lmao..
EvanT123 reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 9:21 AM, bootytrain said:Look at it like this, going out and getting skunked for 8 hours with a super smooth/refined/super lightweight Core 50 is a lot more pleasureable than going out and getting skunked with a heavier/less smooth/less refined Citica E, which Ive done SEVERAL times lol.. Everybody is having fun when you are catching fish, but the days where you aren't is where the high end tackle helps out a lot with the experience. That's what that guy is refusing to try to understand.
Shoot if getting skunked is more pleasurable with higher end gear Rolex should make reels.
Dr. Watson reply :
I'm getting that erie feeling that this thread is going to get locked soon....
A-Jay reply :
IBTL
A-Jay
Dr. Watson reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 12:39 PM, A-Jay said:IBTL
A-Jay
A-Jay you gotta do it right:
SirSnookalot reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 2:11 AM, jeb2 said:You completely mis-understood my comment. It had nothing to do with durability, but rather your point that one has to make a choice to catch lesser fish if they spend more on fishing tackle.
Didn't mis understand the comment at all, just looking at reality. The reality is that most fish that most people catch are average at best, just how many 10 pound fish are caught by the average angler fishing a few times a week, my guess not many. In today's world smooth reels with excellent performing drags at a modest price are easily obtainable. What should set an upper tier reel apart from an average priced reel is the durability factor over an extended period of hard use. That being said people should by what they want to meet their needs.
K_Mac reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 10:55 AM, Stlbob said:you know guys i have fished my whole life i was 7 i caught a 17lb black carp,by myself...stomach was sore for a week from the rod butt digging in.Had my pic on the tackle shop wall until i was 12...I say all this because fishing is a part of my earliest memorys.Its a part of my life not just a hobby.
I started this thread because i had NO CLUE that a 600.00 dollar reel was even made..I only knew after i spent a moment on the internet..I was floored...I asked the question because i wanted to know how a perfectly good reel could be had for a hundred dollars yet a reel was out there that cost 6x more.I was hoping to clearly see what that difference was,not get everybody ticking on each others leg.i didnt right ticking i guess its some sort of censor software...but you know what i meant.
So be mellow..fishing is far to much fun for all these hostil vibes,man.Yes im a cheech and chong fan...lmao..
Stlbob don't be concerned about your thread taking an unexpected turn. It happens. Most of us here are just like you: Fishing is not just a hobby for us. We come from all socio-economic, political, and religious backgrounds, with a love of fishing in general and bass fishing in particular in common. With that kind of cultural diversity there will always be differences of opinion. Those differences also keep it interesting. What makes this site the best is while we can do the "leg" thing a bit, but if it gets really uncivil Glenn and the Mods will step in to restore order. You asked a good question. Where it goes from there is impossible to predict.
jeb2 reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 4:30 PM, SirSnookalot said:Didn't mis understand the comment at all, just looking at reality. The reality is that most fish that most people catch are average at best, just how many 10 pound fish are caught by the average angler fishing a few times a week, my guess not many. In today's world smooth reels with excellent performing drags at a modest price are easily obtainable. What should set an upper tier reel apart from an average priced reel is the durability factor over an extended period of hard use. That being said people should by what they want to meet their needs.
You missed the point again. Here's your comment:
SirSnookalot, on 28 Jan 2014 - 00:33, said:
On 1/28/2014 at 2:33 PM, SirSnookalot said:Given the choice I'll take great fish on an average gear over average fish on great gear every day of the year. That's the enjoyment that fits my mindset.
So your view is that if you fish with higher end gear, you've chosen to only catch "average" fish. This is the incorrect notion I've been addressing.
Again, nothing wrong with the way you're enjoying the sport. But there's also nothing wrong with others wanting to fish with higher end gear.
jeb2 reply :
On 1/29/2014 at 9:03 PM, K_Mac said:Stlbob don't be concerned about your thread taking an unexpected turn. It happens.
Exactly. Threads take tangents all the time. Not your fault, so just sit back and enjoy the ride. 
roadwarrior reply :
Well...Good morning!
I'm sure someone will be disappointed that they did not get "the last word",
but after 6 pages it seems everyone has had a shot. Let's move on.
Goodnight Irene.
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