Future Of The Curado 2024
solo_bro reply :
Just wondering of any reel engineers/R&D guys have any insight on the situation of the Curados returning to a better quality then a cut cost reel. For instance the "e" series has a bit more bells than the "g" series. Some of the things i noticed are crank, spool and bearings. I know its getting tuff for Shimano guys, when a used "e" series hit ebay guys are chomping a the bit in bids.
J Francho reply :
I hear a total realignment in the line up is in the works. They will restore balance to the Force, lol.
solo_bro reply :
Mouth watering, I'm tired of fighting with other fans boys on ebay for a used "e" or bantam series. Its really like a dogfight on ebay and I come out getting my b@ss! kicked a few times. Paying upwards of $140-150 for a used reel, the revo stx and winch have been catching my eye lately. In my heart I been all Shimano. I don't want to jump ship just yet, however I can't bring myself to buying a "g" series either.
J Francho reply :
Auction sniper, bro. 
http://www.auctionsniper.com/?who=eE9TmkwvpBKNbVGjISfWUg%3d%3d
Raul reply :
IMHO, the 200 size D series were the absolute best Curados ever made, the only "issue" with them was the weight. Size 100 D series were just slightly better 100 B series but 200 size were a completely different animals ----> Chronarch quality features at Curado price. I´ve got an E and like it but I don´t see what the fuzz is all about, haven´t even considered getting a G, I´ve got a strong attachment to my older than dirt B series ( they are special ), but when I grab my D series it makes me wonder why on Earth I paid 100 bucks more for my Chronarchs; the only Chronarchs I feel were worth the extra money were those fantastic Chronarch 50 Mg.
War Eagle 44 reply :
In 2014 we will see a new Curado and Chronarch. I'm not an "insider" or anything like that I just happen to know someone who works for Shimano. This is all I know as of now, I don't have any info on what they are going to look like or specs of any kind. Good news is they are going the right direction with both series quality wise.
War Eagle 44 reply :
I agree 100%, the D series was the best Curado's to date. I however can't totally agree with you on the E series, I'm very fond of those reels as well. As far as the Chronarch being worth the extra money I think in most cases they are, my first Shimano was a Chronarch 101A, still have it and it fishes great. Also have a B series I use tons and it's fantastic as well. Never got around to the D series Chronarch's, kinda wish I had because of all the great reviews on them.On 3/30/2013 at 2:55 AM, Raul said:IMHO, the 200 size D series were the absolute best Curados ever made, the only "issue" with them was the weight. Size 100 D series were just slightly better 100 B series but 200 size were a completely different animals ----> Chronarch quality features at Curado price. I´ve got an E and like it but I don´t see what the fuzz is all about, haven´t even considered getting a G, I´ve got a strong attachment to my older than dirt B series ( they are special ), but when I grab my D series it makes me wonder why on Earth I paid 100 bucks more for my Chronarchs; the only Chronarchs I feel were worth the extra money were those fantastic Chronarch 50 Mg.
Rangerjoe reply :
The G is just as good if not better then the 200SF, that everyone thought was a great reel. I would like to know if the bashers have ever opened a G and compaired it against a 200SF or for that matter an E?
I am not sponsered by Shimano, and in fact have more Diawa's then anything else, but know that Shimano has manufactured a quality reel in the G series.
Flukeman reply :
The only people I have heard of "bashing" the G are long time curado owners. I am sure they have looked inside a few of them and handled all of them. They know what they like and expect from a curado.On 3/30/2013 at 3:48 AM, Rangerjoe said:The G is just as good if not better then the 200SF, that everyone thought was a great reel. I would like to know if the bashers have ever opened a G and compaired it against a 200SF or for that matter an E?
I am not sponsered by Shimano, and in fact have more Diawa's then anything else, but know that Shimano has manufactured a quality reel in the G series.
*Hootie reply :
I have 2 Curado G200's. They work great, and I've never had a problem with them. You think I should take them back and get them fixed so they are no good? All kidding aside, from all the negative reviews on the G series reels, I'm beginning to think that I got the only 2 good ones Shimano made. I also have 2 Chronarch E200's, which I also like. So apparently I am missing something. And before it's mentioned, I do have an E series Curado, the 50E.
Hootie
Hootie
SoCalFisher reply :
The bad reviews are only because the G is being compared to the E but really the G should be worse since it it cheaper. Also the chronarch 200E hate is stupid also, I like mine more than my curado 200E.
lmbfisherman reply :
Hootie,
I'm in the same boat as you, I have 2 Curado G Series. Don't have any issues with them and use them just as much as my E Series and Chonarch E. I don't have any issues in casting and catching fish with them and I don't feel I'm losing anything when switching them up. So we must have the only 4 good Gs in the whole lot.
Rangerjoe reply :
I don't know what Shimano is going to do with the Curado, but if they make it like the old E the price point to going to be $200.00 at least. The only other way is to have it manufactured by an OEM in Korea or China.
iceintheveins reply :
I have a curado E and its my best baitcaster. I was really unhappy when I found out how much worse the G series was. I hope they just return the old design. Don't really want to spend 200.00 on a chronarch.
solo_bro reply :
On 3/30/2013 at 4:22 AM, Flukeman said:The only people I have heard of "bashing" the G are long time curado owners. I am sure they have looked inside a few of them and handled all of them. They know what they like and expect from a curado.
LOL i guarantee you that all the owners, including myself, have compared them visually. I'm more concerned about the "g" series quality and long term durability, I know it works but not as well as "e" series or earlier series.
*Hootie reply :
I guess I could see your point about durability if I was the type to buy something and use it for 20 yrs., and there is nothing wrong with that. But I will usually move on to something else long before it has a chance to fizzle out on me. My daughter keeps saying, Dad, will you ever keep a car till it's actually broken in? She's an accountant, so she wouldn't understand....lol
Hootie
solo_bro reply :
On 3/30/2013 at 7:00 AM, hootiebenji said:I guess I could see your point about durability if I was the type to buy something and use it for 20 yrs., and there is nothing wrong with that. But I will usually move on to something else long before it has a chance to fizzle out on me. My daughter keeps saying, Dad, will you ever keep a car till it's actually broken in? She's an accountant, so she wouldn't understand....lol
Hootie
Right! Could the "g" be used 15 years from now like "b" and "d" have been used. The "e" series is already making a name for itself but I don't see it happening to the "g" series. Maybe its beacuse Shimano Curado was my first love in baitcasting reels, so I'm more critical on the quality and durability. I'm kinda ole skool with reels I stick with one brand and possibly one model. I can't be jumping ship every 2 or 3 years like some guys.
craww reply :
I hope they do revamp the line up. For no reason than after 2 years of threads like these will go away...I can't understand why people are so tore up over this. All they did was change some names, give you more ratio options and offer a new reel at a lower price point...A pretty dang good reel at that. Can anyone actually say the G series has given them any trouble? Have you had it long enough to say it won't hold up?
Lost in all this is the fact the curado E/Chronarch E is IMO untouched by any sub $200 reel...people are missing out on a great reel.
SoCalFisher reply :
On 3/30/2013 at 6:14 AM, iceintheveins said:I have a curado E and its my best baitcaster. I was really unhappy when I found out how much worse the G series was. I hope they just return the old design. Don't really want to spend 200.00 on a chronarch.
The Curado E and Chronarch E are very similar, I would say the Chronarch is better and I have both. Also, the curado E was also $200 unless you got it on sale.
The Next KVD reply :
I would have to say its a toss up between the "D" series and "E" series being the best. Both are rock solid reels and I own multiples of Curados and Citicas. The "B" series is a good reel and I would say that even though they are old they still are the farthest casting reels I own. Maybe not the smoothest, but farthest especially after they are supertuned. Sad to say I'm not fond of the "G" series, its an okay reel but I'd actually place it in last place among the series.
On the Chronarch side I'm alittle bit behind in only owning a 100A and 3 "B"s. I've held a "D" and I woulda loved to have that reel. Have yet to pick up an "E". The B series though there is just something magical about that reel. I don't know if its the awesome metallic gunmetal color or how the reel fits in my hands but it is "it" in my mind.
I really hope Shimano goes back towards something like the "E" series. Surely they know that its not all about being price competitive as most of us are probably willing to shell out an extra $20-30 for something over the competition in their current price range.
SoCalFisher reply :
Some people just don't get it. They have the Chronarch E now, this reel is by far the best reel for $200. They pretty much just changed the name of the Curado.
tomustang reply :
Looking forward to something, hope it's not what they did last time to look like they did something.
ww2farmer reply :
Well if the supply of good used D series reels ever dries up, I'll worry about what Shimano is doing.
The Rooster reply :
I don't know what they'll do, but it won't be a return to the E frame. Companies just don't do that. That would be saying they made a mistake publicly. That could actually work, but it still won't happen. It'll be something totally new as far as shape is concerned.
I don't know how you guys feel, but here's my take on it. The Curado E was retailing for $180 before being discontinued. That was a real stretch for someone like me to obtain one at that price. But it seemed worth it for the kind of solid reel you would get. Next, they changed it, or invented a whole new one, or whatever, and lowered the price a little bit, and called it by the same name. I'm not saying the new G reel is bad, but since most people are identifying with this reel as still being the Curado, then they see it as downgraded, with a slightly less comfortable to hold shape, which it is on both counts when compared to the old E. That's where a lot of the upset comes from. Some of us see the new Chronarch E and recognize it as just a Curado with a new paint job, and that is what it is, no question. But guys like me see it with the price increase of $20 over the last nearly out of reach retail price and then it's just too much at that point (for me anyway). On the other end, the Citica was not downgraded at all. The new G reel has all the same features as the old Citica E, but the frame shape is worse now, so that's a negative with it, plus it got a mild price increase. Then the Chronarch lovers apparently had a gripe with the new version of it, saying it was a step down from what it was before, price and all! Overall, it seems Shimano did nothing right with this last round of changes, even though all the currently offered reels are good in their own right.
I had become a Shimano guy with the purchase of two of the E reels. I really like them more than most others. They lack having 4 handle bearings which I like in reels, even though my Curado actually has two, but my Citica has none. But for what I got in the reels, I can overlook that since the rest of it was so good. But since they changed it and made it less comfortable, upped the prices on the two models I'd have any interest in at all (Citica was changed and price hiked, and what is the Chronarch now was once the Curado, but also price hiked), and they introduced a mid point model to be the Curado that doesn't measure up for what I was able to get before when spending about that much, then I've lost interest in staying with Shimano only, and now other reels are getting my attention. Abu's new design is very palmable, and Lew's seems very good as well, and a lot of those are about the same or less than the Shimanos, and seem to offer more, and there's no denying the BPS PQ is a home run hit for them, a very solid reel, which, by the way, I can add handle bearings to.
I think there is a group trying to follow after Shimano much like the ones who follow blindly after Apple and buy everything that comes out with an "i" in front of the name. That's the group most upset by the changes. I had started to be one of them a couple of years ago, but I turned back from that road. I'm starting to love my old BPS Extremes again, and recently upgraded them all to have 9 bearings, and next it will be new drag washers. After first trying to set up all my rods with Shimano reels, I realized their pricing on the models I'd want is just too far out of my range for me to be able to get all the reels I want or need before they up and pull a switcharoo on me, like they did. By the way, I hate the new Symetre. There goes my spinning reel plans. Anyway, like I said, there is a following, and Shimano needs to recognize it and market more towards it. If they understood that market better, they wouldn't have so much heehack every so often when switching things around. People buy into the names on the reels and seem to understand and recognize them as being at certain levels, and won't accept much deviation of that. Some actually see owning certain models as status symbols, hence the Chronarch upset. I actually read from one board member here before that since the reel was no longer $300 that it didn't represent what made someone want to buy a Chronarch in the first place anymore. When there's that kind of recognition, you'd be a fool not to market to it and profit from it. Apple does, and look where they are now. Look where they were 10 years ago. That's what can happen. In the process, they'd be leaving crap alone that people like and finding ways to add to it and get better, not taking it away and pulling a snow job to cover for it.
The Rooster reply :
The supply of new D reels hasn't even dried up yet. My Walmart still has several new in box. No price drop though, can't believe it either.On 3/30/2013 at 10:54 AM, ww2farmer said:Well if the supply of good used D series reels ever dries up, I'll worry about what Shimano is doing.
tomustang reply :
On 3/30/2013 at 11:23 AM, The Rooster said:I think there is a group trying to follow after Shimano much like the ones who follow blindly after Apple and buy everything that comes out with an "i" in front of the name. That's the group most upset by the changes.
The upset is from having a good lineup then Lews coming in and took the market away, when that happened everyone looked at shimano for a change and they got lower grade models instead of enhancements
Some people say the curado e was a $200 reel which shimano under-priced, so cutting the the curado g down a notch and making the chronarch e shine as a $200 reel would make sense
The Rooster reply :
I don't think anyone looked at Shimano for a change. People liked the way it was, as evidenced by what a used E model goes for now. I think they did it for cost reasons, irregardless of the reels' popularity. That tells me they don't fully understand this market. A slight price hike on the older models would have been better received. The Curado might have risen beyond my range but I'd have still bought Citica E models at $129, but not G models.
rockchalk06 reply :
I'll take every G series Curado off any ones hands. That was the model that made me cross over to the dark side. I have two now. I haven't had two more smoother, reliable great all around reels.
solo_bro reply :
On 3/30/2013 at 11:25 AM, The Rooster said:The supply of new D reels hasn't even dried up yet. My Walmart still has several new in box. No price drop though, can't believe it either.
Where do you live, I have yet to see any Walmart carry anymore "d" or "e" series reels.
solo_bro reply :
I went to walmart.com and apparently they have 200e5's at $179 if anyone is interested. They had dealers on ebay seeling them at $145 when i bought mines. Also, the "g" series are like $141-$159 at walmart.com
solo_bro reply :
I have 2X symetre 4000FJ, I will trade for 2X 3000FJ if interested.
*Hootie reply :
On 3/30/2013 at 7:16 AM, solo_bro said:Right! Could the "g" be used 15 years from now like "b" and "d" have been used.
Guess we may have to wait 15 yrs to find out, huh......lol
Hootie
War Eagle 44 reply :
No it wasn't, MSRP $179.99 from the get go.On 3/30/2013 at 9:04 AM, SoCalFisher said:The Curado E and Chronarch E are very similar, I would say the Chronarch is better and I have both. Also, the curado E was also $200 unless you got it on sale.
*Hootie reply :
The 50E & 51E...... $199.99
The 200E's,....$179.99
The300 E's.......$249.99
You're welcome.
Hootie
deep reply :
So "bro", do share why you think the G is inferior to the B-series. I am very quick to get rid of reels I don't like; but I still got the 201G's I bought 4 months back, but I'm not a re el me chanic, just a fisherman..
P.S. Why is "re_el me_chanic" getting censored?
craww reply :
Former sponsor I suppose...I tried "a" "lure" "ring" baits a while back and it did the same.
3dees reply :
I'm using 6 CU201's and 2 CU101B's (lefties) that are 8 years old and I would'nt part with them for any reel out there. IMO these were the best Curado's made.
The Rooster reply :
On 3/30/2013 at 2:26 PM, solo_bro said:Where do you live, I have yet to see any Walmart carry anymore "d" or "e" series reels.
They aren't carrying them, more like forgot they had them. They're behind the glass of the gun case behind the counter. There's a Curado 200 DHSV with a red $200 sticker on it, and several more behind it that I can't see the model numbers on. One of them is a Citica D though. There's at least 4 D boxes there. I've posted before about them and even offered the store location and phone number. 606-929-9510. Cannonsburg, KY, near Ashland. Call them up and remind them what letter Shimano is on now and how many years each one runs, maybe they'll clearance them to near nothing and ship them to you.
Capt.Bob reply :
I will start by asking who will buy a brand new G if they have a chance to buy a brand new E, for the same price, that will be around $175.00, as that is as cheap as you will find an E for, Brand New in the box today?? If you won't that means you admit it the G is a better buy, not a better reel, as no one buys a worse reel for the same price they can a better reel in the same model regardless of series!! For all those that are so proud of those "FINE" Curado "G" series reels, I think if you really do grab them and love em as much as the E's you own, you should trade those worn or used Curado E's you keep comparing the G's you also own, for new G series reels!!! Then you would have brand new reels you think are as good as the used E's, which would put money in your pocket, and have brand new, which is better than used!!! plenty easy to do, there are people who would jump all over that trade!! even up with cash to boot!! BUT!!! That won't happen because inside their heart, they know their is a difference, better parts, more metal, necessary probably not, desirable yes to most, more durable yes, but like Shimano themselves, the their brain won't admit it, a little fanboy some might say, or they would sell them for more and buy brand new G's if they really thought the G was better, or the same, that would be the only thing to do that made sense. I had the G, I do service reels in my shop, I do see the inferior difference in quality. I am not saying the don't work as good, at 65mph an F150 goes down the road as good as a F250, and for 200,000 miles should be as trouble free, until you hook your Tournament bass boat to both and do the same thing. These guy's buying used E's for more than they sold for new are also in for a heart breaker, because Shimano has a huge ego and they will figure a way back on top with the Curado or phase it out. If they they come back with a reel as good or better than to the E, the price people are willing to pay for them E's today will be fall big time, so be willing to sell cheap or plan on keeping them when a better Curado comes out, and I really think that is going to happen, Shimano has been the big dog to long to get in the back seat!!!! Buy the way for all those willing to buy that G for the same price, I have as many as you want for $175.00, cause that is what you will have to pay or more if you want a brand new E in the box!!
BassThumb reply :
If I had my way, Shimano would simply re-issue the E series Curados in gunmetal gray at the same price. I still regret missing out on the $80-100 E-series Curados that flooded the market for a week or two.
On that note, the G-series isn't all that bad, especially at bargain hunter prices. Had I never owned the D- or E-series, I would be quite happy with the G-series Curados.
*Hootie reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 12:14 AM, Capt.Bob said:I will start by asking who will buy a brand new G if they have a chance to buy a brand new E, for the same price, that will be around $175.00, as that is as cheap as you will find an E for, Brand New in the box today?? If you won't that means you admit it the G is a better buy, not a better reel, as no one buys a worse reel for the same price they can a better reel in the same model regardless of series!! For all those that are so proud of those "FINE" Curado "G" series reels, I think if you really do grab them and love em as much as the E's you own, you should trade those worn or used Curado E's you keep comparing the G's you also own, for new G series reels!!! Then you would have brand new reels you think are as good as the used E's, which would put money in your pocket, and have brand new, which is better than used!!! plenty easy to do, there are people who would jump all over that trade!! even up with cash to boot!! BUT!!! That won't happen because inside their heart, they know their is a difference, better parts, more metal, necessary probably not, desirable yes to most, more durable yes, but like Shimano themselves, the their brain won't admit it, a little fanboy some might say, or they would sell them for more and buy brand new G's if they really thought the G was better, or the same, that would be the only thing to do that made sense. I had the G, I do service reels in my shop, I do see the inferior difference in quality. I am not saying the don't work as good, at 65mph an F150 goes down the road as good as a F250, and for 200,000 miles should be as trouble free, until you hook your Tournament bass boat to both and do the same thing. These guy's buying used E's for more than they sold for new are also in for a heart breaker, because Shimano has a huge ego and they will figure a way back on top with the Curado or phase it out. If they they come back with a reel as good or better than to the E, the price people are willing to pay for them E's today will be fall big time, so be willing to sell cheap or plan on keeping them when a better Curado comes out, and I really think that is going to happen, Shimano has been the big dog to long to get in the back seat!!!! Buy the way for all those willing to buy that G for the same price, I have as many as you want for $175.00, cause that is what you will have to pay or more if you want a brand new E in the box!!
Why is it with some guys, if you like something that they don't like, it really pi****&% them off....lol
Hootie
BradH reply :
All I know is if Shimano builds another Curado that is a hit with the customers those G series will be a bargain on closeout sales. 
I'll still be using my Es until they wear out, which might take awhile.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 1:48 AM, hootiebenji said:Why is it with some guys, if you like something that they don't like, it really pi****&% them off....lol
Hootie
Reality sir, just trying to make sense out of some of these comments! No body would be ^^%$^&&^%% if there was no grit in my comment, sorry but I did not mean to upset you, if there is no difference in quality as some said, why not make the money, makes no sense to me, but a lot of what I read on the internet makes no sense to me!
There is as I said a difference between being as good and being as good for the money! As for liking something I loved the the Curado, B, D, E, every one was a upgrade and cost about the same to slightly more, I gladly paid it, the G was slightly less, so I glady bought one, I didn't like what I got and I didn't think I was fishing a better reel, I am sorry but that tells me I am going to give up something, when it cost me less to upgrade any product from the same manufacturer, and in 58 years, when I bought new gear I never went in thinking I would like a new model so I can give up anything. I always went in knowing if I wanted a little more I needed to be ready to spend a little more, again sorry I didn't think it is as good PERIOD, I simply asked, why someone would not make money and own brand new equipment at the same time, especially when they say they reach for the cheaper priced reel most often? it usually means they prefer using it, and most people I know prefer using there best for any situation! As far as liking Shimano, I like owning the best my dollar will buy, That is why 15 reels out of 23 that I own are Shimanos. I will not be buying any more Curados, OR Symetre's Saros, either, I do know the difference. But I will anxiously wait for someone to explain this to me, again sorry, I am a little thick in my older age.
BassThumb reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 2:09 AM, BradH said:All I know is if Shimano builds another Curado that is a hit with the customers those G series will be a bargain on closeout sales.
Absolutely. I'm looking forward to it.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 3:41 AM, BassThumb said:Absolutely. I'm looking forward to it.
If they don't the next favorite baitcater poll will be owned by Lew's, for a company that is only about three years old with Mr. Reeves resurrection they almost were #1 the way it is, or have some forgot. http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/113499-baitcasting-reels/page-4?hl=%2Bpoll#entry1242002tg
This was a post by roadwarrior before this last poll after the "G" was introduced and the latest poll taken.
Quote) These "What's Best" threads always get bogged down in brand loyalty,
but a big part of that is experiece with a brand over time. To put this in
perspective, whenever we have a "Favorites" poll, the results are always
+/- 60% Shimano vs. the field. You can argue that these polls are not
scientific and usually only have a hundred votes or so vs. our 38,000
members. So, judge that as you like. (Quote
If they come out with a "H" with the same improvements the "G" incorporated I will assure Lew's will run away with that poll!! No one said they were junk, but Brand Loyal or not people don't stay with a company that keeps moving backwards!
baluga reply :
I wish they come up with the CU100B series with CI4 material. That would the great. I still have my CU100B and it's casting better than my CU200E5, and working smoothly.
solo_bro reply :
On 3/30/2013 at 4:30 PM, War Eagle 44 said:No it wasn't, MSRP $179.99 from the get go.
I noticed something.....Roll d@mn Tide!
solo_bro reply :
Personally I can't speak for the B, since i no longer own one. they are inferior to the E, the E to me was a reel that was Chronarch with inferior bearings. With boca bearing the E Curado was better or the same as a chronarch.On 3/30/2013 at 8:37 PM, deep said:So "bro", do share why you think the G is inferior to the B-series. I am very quick to get rid of reels I don't like; but I still got the 201G's I bought 4 months back, but I'm not a re el me chanic, just a fisherman..
P.S. Why is "re_el me_chanic" getting censored?
The gripe with the G is the cheap materials all around. Read about the reviews comparing them and buy one, I did.i Feel like if Shimano keeps down this path, Shimano cut cost with everything they make. Hello lews or revo's if this continue.
upnorthbassin reply :
When you pick up a reel for the first time and you get that initial impression, that sort of sticks with you. Some reels you pick up and you're amazed at how light they are. Some you're amazed at how smooth they are. Some you might pick up and they feel built like a brick outhouse. Some might just look flashy or have a cool looking finish to them. The curado line seems like it was a solid choice because of the name. You remember when you had one years ago or you've read a million other people online say how great their curado is. I know the name and I trust the reel. I would be happy with one...even the G series. But one thing about them is that I've tried out the G series and it didn't really impress me I guess you could say. I don't think there's anything wrong with it but it didn't blow me away either. For $160, I can think of other reels that have at least 1 or 2 more impressive features. I'm not bashing Shimano by any means....I like the Curado well enough, it just doesn't have any of that wow factor to it. I still almost bought one a few times anyways though.
webertime reply :
Why are people constantly saying the g is made with lesser materials? Malaysian 6000 series aluminum is the same as Japanese and American ... likewise NOWHERE is there any data saying they use different or lesser quality brass, polymer, or steel between e and g reels... bearings are the same as the e series, just fewer which is understandable for the lower price. for $160 ($130-$150 often) there are few reels that compare.
Shimano knows what it's doing, and if they drop the ball the just fix and move on (speaking with nearly 20 years of working with Shimano and their products in cycling, snowboarding, and fishing) .
The Rooster reply :
I couldn't say whether the G is made as well as the E or others before it, but it seems solid enough. Like someone else said, it just doesn't have the wow factor that I felt with the E. I'd for sure choose a Citica E over a Curado G. A hundred times over.
EvanT123 reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 8:55 AM, webertime said:Shimano knows what it's doing, and if they drop the ball the just fix and move on (speaking with nearly 20 years of working with Shimano and their products in cycling, snowboarding, and fishing) .
I think that is a very good point. I think the main problem shimano has with the g series is a perception problem. I'm sure it's a great reel but when compared to previous interations and what's available from other companies it just never took off. Another thing to consider is we are in a recession and shimano is in the business of making money. They are a publicly traded company that being said their #1 goal is to increase shareholder value. One would guess by moving production to a country where the cost of labor is cheaper this is what they were trying to accomplish. Again compared to previous gens and other companies offerings this plan back fired. Like was mentioned above I don't think they can go back to a e style because that would be a total admission of a mistake. So here shimano maybe forced to innovate and provide the consumer with something of real value. I maybe wrong about all this but it will be interesting to see what's in store.
upnorthbassin reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 8:55 AM, webertime said:Why are people constantly saying the g is made with lesser materials? Malaysian 6000 series aluminum is the same as Japanese and American ... likewise NOWHERE is there any data saying they use different or lesser quality brass, polymer, or steel between e and g reels... bearings are the same as the e series, just fewer which is understandable for the lower price. for $160 ($130-$150 often) there are few reels that compare.
Shimano knows what it's doing, and if they drop the ball the just fix and move on (speaking with nearly 20 years of working with Shimano and their products in cycling, snowboarding, and fishing) .
2 less bearings and they are no longer the same AR bearings I beleive (this also changed the description of the bearings on their website too). Plastic drag star too which is less expensive than aluminum. Some people have said there is differences in the fit and finish but I don't have any evidence of that and I'm no reel expert anyways. Sure the reel is $20 less but it also has at least $20 less in parts. It's not a lesser value overall than the E, it's just a different reel for a different amount of money. You get what you pay for.
And as far as the $150 price point...there are more contenders than there used to be. You can get a Lew's Tourney Pro for that price, a Pinnacle Optimus XLT, a Revo STX, and many others. If they are better or worse...that is subjective...but they are competition that wasn't there in the past and they are gaining in popularity. Not many other companies are taking features out of one of their flagship reels and selling it for a few bucks less. Shimano did and people are complaining. I bet they'll listen and change things up on their next go.
webertime reply :
The Curado is not their flagship... it's their f150/Camry reel.
Plastic drag star and 2 bearings ... I will sign over the deed to my home to anyone that has lost a fish b/c of a plastic drag star (B series was plastic too so was the 50e.)
Take the name off of it at $160 (Revo STX is $200) it's a fine reel. I buy performance per$$$ not names.
The one good thing about the e series fanaticism ... I sold my 4 for enough to get a Zillion, 4 Advantages, and a Gen 2 STX. Love it...
Capt.Bob reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 10:38 AM, webertime said:The Curado is not their flagship... it's their f150/Camry reel.
Plastic drag star and 2 bearings ... I will sign over the deed to my home to anyone that has lost a fish b/c of a plastic drag star (B series was plastic too so was the 50e.)
Take the name off of it at $160 (Revo STX is $200) it's a fine reel. I buy performance per$$$ not names.
The one good thing about the e series fanaticism ... I sold my 4 for enough to get a Zillion, 4 Advantages, and a Gen 2 STX. Love it...
I could catch fish on a buble pack Caenan @ about $60,00, and not loose fish. I aint upgrading a Curado B,D, or E to buy one. As said they don't cut price and give you a better Curado! Probably why you didn't replace yours with G's, nobody wants to trade down!
On 3/31/2013 at 10:06 AM, upnorthbassin said:2 less bearings and they are no longer the same AR bearings I beleive (this also changed the description of the bearings on their website too). Plastic drag star too which is less expensive than aluminum. Some people have said there is differences in the fit and finish but I don't have any evidence of that and I'm no reel expert anyways. Sure the reel is $20 less but it also has at least $20 less in parts. It's not a lesser value overall than the E, it's just a different reel for a different amount of money. You get what you pay for.
And as far as the $150 price point...there are more contenders than there used to be. You can get a Lew's Tourney Pro for that price, a Pinnacle Optimus XLT, a Revo STX, and many others. If they are better or worse...that is subjective...but they are competition that wasn't there in the past and they are gaining in popularity. Not many other companies are taking features out of one of their flagship reels and selling it for a few bucks less. Shimano did and people are complaining. I bet they'll listen and change things up on their next go.
I don't think the fit or finish is any worse than the other Shimano models, and you hit the nail on the head, They cheapend up a current model, along with others, and even if some don't think this is their flagship model, it was their top seller. I said it before and you said the same thing, when you cheapen a model it doesn't matter how much you drop the price, "MOST" buyers especially previous owners are going to abandon you. If they don't do it and do it right their will be many that will be hard to get back. They are going to do the same thing with the Saros, Symetre, and Sahara, as they were cheapened up big time with the new models, I don't know what they are thinking but a lot of other manufacturers are doing the same thing. There are a lot of people who don't care about quality as long they don't raise the price, I do.
Hooligan reply :
I laugh at the notion that the G is junk. I've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours with the G series reels in my hands and have yet to have a single issue. The notion is laughable at best. Those "reviews" that are negative have come, I'm willing to bet just as the majority of those in this thread, from people that have spent no time with the reel at all.
I've got 15 on rods, along side E series Curado and Chronarch, and have been just as happy with my G reels as all the others.
It's a bunch of naysayers saying nay. That's all, nothing more. There are other good reels out there, there's no doubt of that, I have many. But this whole thing is just ridiculous.
BassThumb reply :
People tend to exaggerate a little when complaining about the G-series or raving about the E-series. If you equip either of them with upgraded bearing and keep them clean and lightly oiled, they're both excellent reels for the money.
The G-series is a slightly cheaper model, both in price and performance. The G-series costs about $20-25 less than the E-series in it's heyday (cheap avg. online prices), so the consumer should be willing to accept a small decrease in quality without losing their minds over it.
Capt.Bob reply :
I think a lot hear have posted to an overly defensive mode for Shimano. The thread isn't about if the G is good bad over priced or even if it performs as good. There has been a proven fact the the Curado G has cost Shimano many sales. The fact that this happened is the result of introducing a new series in this model that was CHEAPENED and so was the price. The people who use these reels has spoken and it is clear to Shimano that their are some who don't care if the real is better as long as it works properly. BUT It is also clear to Shimano that they have lost a ton of sales to other reel companies because their are a huge following that do expect the next model to be built with better component's and be a noticeable increase in performance. Those are the facts and anyone who has been on any forum that pertains to fishing is well aware of those facts. I for one don't buy reels because there is anything wrong with the over 25 that I currently own, I buy them because I can, and because I expct my next purchase to be built better with better parts along with better performance, and am willing to pay a little more for the next one than zI did for the one I am looking to replace (upgrade). As far as if Shimano cares who and howmany sales drop with the next reel I am not sure, but I personally think they do, and will see a much improved Curado when and if they ever introduce a new model. if not I don't care if they sell 2 for the price of one they are currently selling, I will look for more performance and bling elsewhere. I also believe J Francho was correct in his post and probably has pretty good information when he said there were good things to come from this company. After all they didn't work so hard to get to the top to start loosing sales on any models they sell.
solo_bro reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 12:48 PM, Capt.Bob said:I think a lot hear have posted to an overly defensive mode for Shimano. The thread isn't about if the G is good bad over priced or even if it performs as good. There has been a proven fact the the Curado G has cost Shimano many sales. The fact that this happened is the result of introducing a new series in this model that was CHEAPENED and so was the price. The people who use these reels has spoken and it is clear to Shimano that their are some who don't care if the real is better as long as it works properly. BUT It is also clear to Shimano that they have lost a ton of sales to other reel companies because their are a huge following that do expect the next model to be built with better component's and be a noticeable increase in performance. Those are the facts and anyone who has been on any forum that pertains to fishing is well aware of those facts. I for one don't buy reels because there is anything wrong with the over 25 that I currently own, I buy them because I can, and because I expct my next purchase to be built better with better parts along with better performance, and am willing to pay a little more for the next one than zI did for the one I am looking to replace (upgrade). As far as if Shimano cares who and howmany sales drop with the next reel I am not sure, but I personally think they do, and will see a much improved Curado when and if they ever introduce a new model. if not I don't care if they sell 2 for the price of one they are currently selling, I will look for more performance and bling elsewhere. I also believe J Francho was correct in his post and probably has pretty good information when he said there were good things to come from this company. After all they didn't work so hard to get to the top to start loosing sales on any models they sell.
Amen, I knew this topic would have great points, if we don't address these issues in the open, Shimano will think its ok to downgrade reels and people will buy them because of their name. If the H series comes out it has to outdue the E series and the Abu Garcia Revo STX with its 20lbs drag.
War Eagle 44 reply :
I agree 100% Capt. Bob, it doesn't matter if the G series isn't as bad as people think it is, it only matters that the perception is they're bad so it certainly costs them sales. Like I said earlier I know someone who works for them and he tells me that the new series of Curado's and Chronarch's for 2014 will be much improved. I also think Shimano cares and realizes they made a mistake with the direction they went with the G series and are in the process of correcting it right now.
sarcazmo reply :
On 3/30/2013 at 3:00 AM, War Eagle 44 said:In 2014 we will see a new Curado and Chronarch. I'm not an "insider" or anything like that I just happen to know someone who works for Shimano. This is all I know as of now, I don't have any info on what they are going to look like or specs of any kind. Good news is they are going the right direction with both series quality wise.
No offense, but if you have no info on specs or anything how do you know they are getting better build quality?>
*Hootie reply :
Can you say PSYCHIATRIST.....I knew you could....sheesh!!!!!
Hootie
War Eagle 44 reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 2:42 PM, sarcazmo said:No offense, but if you have no info on specs or anything how do you know they are getting better build quality?>
Because the guy told me, he wouldn't say anymore than that but stressed that point.
solo_bro reply :
lol some top secret high speed low drag stuff lol
BronzeChaser reply :
I've got a few e series curados and a citica, and although I don't own a g series, I have handled them and I just didn't get the same feeling in my hand as I do with the e series. It's important to me for the reel I'm holding to have a strong, sturdy feel to it, and the g did nor give me that feeling. I'm not saying they're a bad reel, and I'm not talking down to shimano, I love their reels and always will. But for full price I would take an e over a g any day. I am, however, very excited to see what they have for 2014 
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Glad round Garcia's don't change...70 yrs and rollin
iabass8 reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 2:42 PM, sarcazmo said:No offense, but if you have no info on specs or anything how do you know they are getting better build quality?>
There's also been a lot of talk/spoilers given that a curado "upgrade" is going to happen in 2014. nothing definite about the curado specs though.
barroncooper reply :
i hope the next ones have the micro gearing that the calcutta has
Capt.Bob reply :
On 4/1/2013 at 4:39 AM, Maxximus Redneckus said:Glad round Garcia's don't change...70 yrs and rollin
Those reels have had many changes on the insides over the years, but there has never been a reel change in how smooth they are. they just feel the same as they did XXyears ago. I have two that are over 30 years old and they still work like new, but new was never smooooooootttthhhh,,,,,,, but the durability is proven.
The Rooster reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 12:01 PM, Hooligan said:I laugh at the notion that the G is junk. I've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours with the G series reels in my hands and have yet to have a single issue. The notion is laughable at best. Those "reviews" that are negative have come, I'm willing to bet just as the majority of those in this thread, from people that have spent no time with the reel at all.
I've got 15 on rods, along side E series Curado and Chronarch, and have been just as happy with my G reels as all the others.
It's a bunch of naysayers saying nay. That's all, nothing more. There are other good reels out there, there's no doubt of that, I have many. But this whole thing is just ridiculous.
I'm one of the naysayers who was not bowled over with the G reel. I felt it in the store but I DID NOT use it or buy one. However, I do not feel I have to spend time using one in order to give a fair opinion on it. I'm not giving an opinion on its fishability, I'm giving one on the reel as a viable product that sells well and makes money for the company that made it. That's what they care about, is just how well it sells. They care how well it fishes (as part of their sales strategy) also so people want to buy it, but mostly they just care about how well YOU THINK it fishes so that you do buy it. But if there's something about it that makes people care less for it than some other reel, even unrelated to fishability, then they care about that a whole lot more. Obviously there is something, or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Bottom line, experience with it or not, it's a consumer product first and a fishing reel second, and Shimano's sole aim with it is just to make money....period. In order to sell well, it has to impress people to want to buy it. If it doesn't sell well, regardless of reason, then it is a bad product, no matter how good it actually is on the water.
All you guys laughing at those of us who haven't used one but still had something to say about it anyway, I think we'll be the ones laughing in the end. We didn't buy this generation, while a lot of you apparently bought plenty, and spent a lot doing so. But it seems we were the voice that Shimano ultimately listened to in deciding to redesign the reel this early into the current series' run though. When the next generation of reels comes out better than these now, the naysayers will be waiting and not have a boat load of devalued G's to get rid of at that time. And the next one better be all that and more, or the nays will be heard again.
Hooligan reply :
Shimano hasn't said anything about redesigning the Curado. There hasn't been any word of it anywhere except here in this thread. I have talked with Shimanoabout it and not a thing was mentioned; and it would have been at that point.
For the record, if you think the Curado G series hasn't sold, you're completely wrong. It is just as strong, if not stronger than the E series I. Terms of units moved. Moreover, it's been the general fishing public that has been screaming for ten years for their $150 price point Curado back. Those are the bread and butter of that category, and Shimano listened. The Curado target audience is not the Enthusiast, or those that claim to be. It is the weekend tournament angler and part time pro that needs to fill a stable with a quality, but reasonably priced reel. They've done it, and it is selling extremely well.
I love that so many have so much input on something they have no experience with, in either the business side or on the real use side. In those cases, they're completely baseless opinions, founded on nothing by speculation. It's irrational at best, ridiculous and over blown at worst.
I guarantee you 100% that Shimano has gained market share with the reintroduction of the Curado in the classic, historical price point; they've no lost it at all.
As for the future of the Curado I see it continuing to be a workhorse and venerable member of the Shimano line. It will continue to perform at the highest levels and meet the highest expectations of the most demanding anglers.
The Rooster reply :
On 4/1/2013 at 12:54 PM, Hooligan said:Shimano hasn't said anything about redesigning the Curado. There hasn't been any word of it anywhere except here in this thread. I have talked with Shimanoabout it and not a thing was mentioned; and it would have been at that point.
For the record, if you th
Think what?
What's been said here is by people who are supposed to have some kind of inside connection. If you just talked to them as Joe Shmo asking a question, I doubt they'd be forth coming. Remember when Bantam1 was posting here? He went to another site after leaving here and was posting pics of fish he had caught, at that time on the "as yet unreleased" G model then, but he went to the trouble to black out the whole rod and reel to conceal it until it was ready for release. They won't just own up to it.
The Rooster reply :
I'm sure in the future it will, after they dump this one. It isn't just here that people complain about the current model, and it's more than a few. Do you recall reading such complaints about the E model? I read a very few in the beginning concerning it having graphite side plates over aluminum on the D model, but that quickly faded. It's been almost 2 years for this model and stuff like this thread keeps coming up. People aren't as happy with it, that's evident.On 4/1/2013 at 12:54 PM, Hooligan said:Shimano hasn't said anything about redesigning the Curado. There hasn't been any word of it anywhere except here in this thread. I have talked with Shimanoabout it and not a thing was mentioned; and it would have been at that point.
For the record, if you think the Curado G series hasn't sold, you're completely wrong. It is just as strong, if not stronger than the E series I. Terms of units moved. Moreover, it's been the general fishing public that has been screaming for ten years for their $150 price point Curado back. Those are the bread and butter of that category, and Shimano listened. The Curado target audience is not the Enthusiast, or those that claim to be. It is the weekend tournament angler and part time pro that needs to fill a stable with a quality, but reasonably priced reel. They've done it, and it is selling extremely well.
I love that so many have so much input on something they have no experience with, in either the business side or on the real use side. In those cases, they're completely baseless opinions, founded on nothing by speculation. It's irrational at best, ridiculous and over blown at worst.
I guarantee you 100% that Shimano has gained market share with the reintroduction of the Curado in the classic, historical price point; they've no lost it at all.
As for the future of the Curado I see it continuing to be a workhorse and venerable member of the Shimano line. It will continue to perform at the highest levels and meet the highest expectations of the most demanding anglers.
I'm not saying the public isn't asking for their $150 Curado back (I remember them being $120) but why would they when the Citica that followed the older, lower priced Curado, ended up being better, and costed about the same? Oh, it's the name thing again. Doesn't matter if it's better or not, it isn't a Curado. On that note, I've already talked about the name thing and tier identification that goes with it, but why is there such a hang up on that where people are concerned? I recognize that it's there, but I'm not one of them that does that.
Hooligan reply :
Far from Joe Blow. We were in meetings for two days.
And the short reply was be a use I'm sitting in an airport typing on my phone and it randomly decided to post before I was done.
Hooligan reply :
I do, and I remember the complaints about the D, and the Sf. The entire theory is based in the thought that they should have maintained the reel in the same format as the E, at the lower price. It just doesn't work that way. People continue to compare apples to walnuts with the G series reel, as such there are people unhappy about it.
Lastly I see far fewer complaints about the G series than I do about other reels, on the whole. It remains fairly isolated and generally is from the same few people. The number that are happy far, far outnumber those whom are dissatisfied.
War Eagle 44 reply :
I've been told by two different tackle shop owners that they can hardly give away the G series. One is a small town shop the other in a big city, it doesn't seem to make a difference. The small shop had them on special for $99.99 and still had trouble moving them. The owner told me if he ever did sell them all he wouldn't order any more unless a customer special ordered it and paid up front.
As far as the redesign for 2014 that's just what I was told. Again I don't have any concrete evidence to support my statement but this guy has been very reliable in the past with the info he's given me.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 4/1/2013 at 1:19 PM, Hooligan said:People continue to compare apples to walnuts with the G series reel, as such there are people unhappy about it.
Lastly I see far fewer complaints about the G series than I do about other reels, on the whole. It remains fairly isolated and generally is from the same few people. The number that are happy far, far outnumber those whom are dissatisfied.
As Lynn Reeves smiles from ear to ear!!
Fishwhittler reply :
If the Curado G is on the same level as the Curado E, why is Shimano still making the Curado E but calling it the Chronarch E? The Chronarch E is a $200 reel. The Curado G retails for $160. Do the math—something doesn't add up if the G is just as good as the E.
The Curado G is a reel in between the Citica E/G and the Curado/Chronarch E. Not a replacement for the Curado E, a lower-cost compliment in the same way the Revo SX compliments the Revo STX. The Citica G is the successor to the Citica E, but there's not quite so much difference between the two models there.
The only reason there's any brouhaha at all about the Curado G is because Shimano decided to swap the names around. A consumer sees the Curado E. The G is a step below the E, still a good reel but a step below. Yet they share the same name, and the G comes after the E. Logical conclusion? That the G is supposed to be a better reel, an improvement on the old one. Never mind the Curado E is still being built as the Chronarch E, with a few minor changes—the Curado name is what the consumer sees first and foremost. When the Curado G isn't quite as nice as the Curado/Chronarch E, what does the consumer think? That Shimano downgraded the Curado, when in reality all that happened was they introduced a new reel.
Suppose Shimano had called the Curado G the Cutlass, Connecticut, Chimpanzee, any name under the sun that starts with C. And then kept on calling the Curado E the Curado E while raising the price to $200, or calling it the Curado G and making a few minor changes and raising the price. I guarantee there would have been rave reviews about the new Shimano Chimpanzee reel that is $40 less than a Curado and is almost as good. And there would have been no complaints about the reel being a watered-down Curado.
Shimano's reason behind the name changes was not illogical from their perspective, but the resulting negative feedback on the Curado G should have been foreseen. It was a marketing ploy that went over like a lead balloon.
webertime reply :
On 4/3/2013 at 2:36 PM, Fishwhittler said:If the Curado G is on the same level as the Curado E, why is Shimano still making the Curado E but calling it the Chronarch E? The Chronarch E is a $200 reel. The Curado G retails for $160. Do the math—something doesn't add up if the G is just as good as the E.
The Curado G is a reel in between the Citica E/G and the Curado/Chronarch E. Not a replacement for the Curado E, a lower-cost compliment in the same way the Revo SX compliments the Revo STX. The Citica G is the successor to the Citica E, but there's not quite so much difference between the two models there.
The only reason there's any brouhaha at all about the Curado G is because Shimano decided to swap the names around. A consumer sees the Curado E. The G is a step below the E, still a good reel but a step below. Yet they share the same name, and the G comes after the E. Logical conclusion? That the G is supposed to be a better reel, an improvement on the old one. Never mind the Curado E is still being built as the Chronarch E, with a few minor changes—the Curado name is what the consumer sees first and foremost. When the Curado G isn't quite as nice as the Curado/Chronarch E, what does the consumer think? That Shimano downgraded the Curado, when in reality all that happened was they introduced a new reel.
Suppose Shimano had called the Curado G the Cutlass, Connecticut, Chimpanzee, any name under the sun that starts with C. And then kept on calling the Curado E the Curado E while raising the price to $200, or calling it the Curado G and making a few minor changes and raising the price. I guarantee there would have been rave reviews about the new Shimano Chimpanzee reel that is $40 less than a Curado and is almost as good. And there would have been no complaints about the reel being a watered-down Curado.
Shimano's reason behind the name changes was not illogical from their perspective, but the resulting negative feedback on the Curado G should have been foreseen. It was a marketing ploy that went over like a lead balloon.
Can I get an Amen-nuh!
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 4/1/2013 at 3:40 PM, War Eagle 44 said:I've been told by two different tackle shop owners that they can hardly give away the G series. One is a small town shop the other in a big city, it doesn't seem to make a difference. The small shop had them on special for $99.99 and still had trouble moving them. The owner told me if he ever did sell them all he wouldn't order any more unless a customer special ordered it and paid up front.
As far as the redesign for 2014 that's just what I was told. Again I don't have any concrete evidence to support my statement but this guy has been very reliable in the past with the info he's given me.
Give me the # to those shops. I will call them and make them an offer for their G series Curados. If they can't even hardly give them away I'm sure they would just love to have someone call them and make them an offer.
War Eagle 44 reply :
On 4/4/2013 at 12:10 AM, jbsoonerfan said:Give me the # to those shops. I will call them and make them an offer for their G series Curados. If they can't even hardly give them away I'm sure they would just love to have someone call them and make them an offer.
Your post seems very accusatory in tone, like you're trying to imply I'm not telling the truth. I don't have to prove anything to you, or anyone else here.
Hooked_On_Bass reply :
Well, fishwhittler about summed it up.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 4/4/2013 at 5:17 AM, War Eagle 44 said:Your post seems very accusatory in tone, like you're trying to imply I'm not telling the truth. I don't have to prove anything to you, or anyone else here.
I never implied you were lying, just simply asked a question.
I just asked for the numbers to the shops so I could maybe help them out and offer to buy those piece of junk Curados from them.
So, just post those numbers so I can help a poor shop owner out. No need to prove anything.
lmbfisherman reply :
On 4/4/2013 at 6:42 AM, jbsoonerfan said:I never implied you were lying, just simply asked a question.
I just asked for the numbers to the shops so I could maybe help them out and offer to buy those piece of junk Curados from them.
So, just post those numbers so I can help a poor shop owner out. No need to prove anything.
That is how I took it. I'm all for a good deal if they want to sell them for a low price.
iceintheveins reply :
The curado e was an awesome reel. I have one still, the E5. I hope the new one they come out with is on the level of the E and has a 5.0:1 ratio reel for cranks and slow rolling spinnerbaits. I would just buy a chronarch e but the slowest they have is 5.5:1 and that's a little fast for my taste for cranks.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 4/3/2013 at 2:36 PM, Fishwhittler said:If the Curado G is on the same level as the Curado E, why is Shimano still making the Curado E but calling it the Chronarch E? The Chronarch E is a $200 reel. The Curado G retails for $160. Do the math—something doesn't add up if the G is just as good as the E.
The Curado G is a reel in between the Citica E/G and the Curado/Chronarch E. Not a replacement for the Curado E, a lower-cost compliment in the same way the Revo SX compliments the Revo STX. The Citica G is the successor to the Citica E, but there's not quite so much difference between the two models there.
The only reason there's any brouhaha at all about the Curado G is because Shimano decided to swap the names around. A consumer sees the Curado E. The G is a step below the E, still a good reel but a step below. Yet they share the same name, and the G comes after the E. Logical conclusion? That the G is supposed to be a better reel, an improvement on the old one. Never mind the Curado E is still being built as the Chronarch E, with a few minor changes—the Curado name is what the consumer sees first and foremost. When the Curado G isn't quite as nice as the Curado/Chronarch E, what does the consumer think? That Shimano downgraded the Curado, when in reality all that happened was they introduced a new reel.
Suppose Shimano had called the Curado G the Cutlass, Connecticut, Chimpanzee, any name under the sun that starts with C. And then kept on calling the Curado E the Curado E while raising the price to $200, or calling it the Curado G and making a few minor changes and raising the price. I guarantee there would have been rave reviews about the new Shimano Chimpanzee reel that is $40 less than a Curado and is almost as good. And there would have been no complaints about the reel being a watered-down Curado.
Shimano's reason behind the name changes was not illogical from their perspective, but the resulting negative feedback on the Curado G should have been foreseen. It was a marketing ploy that went over like a lead balloon.
X2 - Nailed it. The Curado has historically been a no frills work horse reel at a price-point positioned as an entry into mid-level reels. All they've done is return to that place.
*Hootie reply :
Shimano Chimpanzee.....lol. I likeit!!
Hootie
baluga reply :
On 3/31/2013 at 4:34 AM, baluga said:I wish they come up with the CU100B series with CI4 material. That would the great. I still have my CU100B and it's casting better than my CU200E5, and working smoothly.
I guess they made my wish fulfilled but even better a Chronarh with CI4 material. Just saying.
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