Daiwa finally lost it 2024
rippin-lips reply :
Release date of 1-29-16
John G reply :
The T Wing? Yeah I think that sucks too!
iabass8 reply :
ugh....they just won't give up on that stupid TWS
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
I'll admit I have a tatula and like it, but it's despite the t wing not because of it.
rippin-lips reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 12:12 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:I'll admit I have a tatula and like it, but it's despite the t wing not because of it.
Mike, I'm with you on that. The Tatula is a fantastic performer for $90 and even against more expensive reels.
Raul reply :
Well, it was evident that sooner or later Daiwa was going to ruin the Steez.
the reel ess reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 12:57 AM, rippin-lips said:Mike, I'm with you on that. The Tatula is a fantastic performer for $90 and even against more expensive reels.
I almost bought one, but spent a little more on the Lew's LFS Tourney MB. I had a Daiwa since '83 that I finally just had to retire. That's 32 years on one reel using it very often. It was my favorite crankin' reel. Daiwa's quality is ridiculous. They even sent me parts for free three times, no questions, no postage. ABU doesn't even respond.
Angry John reply :
It to will pass. I will not be buying any tws reels.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
There's nothing inherently wrong with them, but they are not the innovation they're marketed as either. The grooving issue was a blip on the radar and a materials issue rather than a design one.
WRB reply :
I have 3 Tatula R's that have worked perfectly now for nearly 4 years.
Every pooh poohed the R's as not worth the extra $ and thought the 8:1 ratio was a gimmic 3 years ago.
Daiwa is dedicated to the at wing, that should be obvious and they wouldn't continue with the T wing design if it was negative to thier sales.
Tom
DirtyDeuceGoose reply :
I'd really like to see more pictures of it. I'm honestly kind of intrigued by it. Not to say it will replace my current Steez reels by any means.
Molay1292 reply :
Outside the grooving issue that has been addressed, what is the negative associated with the TWS system?
5fishlimit reply :
For me the main gripe is that the t-wing widens the frame of the reel. It's why I refuse to buy the zillion tws.
From what I have heard is that Daiwa was able to narrow down the tws for the Steez, but until a side by side comparison can be made I will not be holding my breath in anticipation.
rippin-lips reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 4:50 AM, Molay1292 said:Outside the grooving issue that has been addressed, what is the negative associated with the TWS system?
Nothing really negative at all. It's just marketed as this mind blowing design that gives you a large increase in casting distance over a normal line guide.
Montanaro reply :
I dont like the widened reel frames. When i went from tatula to the new-to-me TDZ my mind was boggled. So much easier to hold tdz.
bootytrain reply :
They lost the plot a few years ago when they bumped the prices of their reels to ridiculous levels. If this reel has 3D brakes it will actually justify a higher price. Im actually very interested in buying one now depending on a few factors.
Molay1292 reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 6:19 AM, rippin-lips said:Nothing really negative at all. It's just marketed as this mind blowing design that gives you a large increase in casting distance over a normal line guide.
I hear ya, it's kind of funny every year they say the reel is X% lighter than previous model, and casts Y% better. Seems like by now they should be weightless and cast to the moon.
Reels have as many catch phrases as new cars.
Toeshots reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 8:42 AM, Molay1292 said:I hear ya, it's kind of funny every year they say the reel is X% lighter than previous model, and casts Y% better. Seems like by now they should be weightless and cast to the moon.
Reels have as many catch phrases as new cars.
This is also the norm for the golf industry.
If I gain 20 yards with the driver each year, why can't I hit it 600 yards?
new2BC4bass reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 3:41 AM, WRB said:I have 3 Tatula R's that have worked perfectly now for nearly 4 years.
Every pooh poohed the R's as not worth the extra $ and thought the 8:1 ratio was a gimmic 3 years ago.
Daiwa is dedicated to the at wing, that should be obvious and they wouldn't continue with the T wing design if it was negative to thier sales.
Tom
I'm another that prefers the Type R over the standard just for its looks and the higher gear ratio. Makes it is worth the extra $30-$35 to me.
Cgrinder reply :
Gross.
the reel ess reply :
I was in Cabela's today and just had to seek one of these on the Tatula out just to see how it works.
Hogsticker reply :
Here we go again. Knocking a reel before anyone has even laid a finger on it. For starters I think from this one isolated picture this reel looks incredible. People, the consumer are the one's who blew this T wing thing way out of proportion. All of my T3 variants have SV spools in them and they are incredible casting machines. No denying that. Wasn't the idea behind the T Wing to decrease line angles so you can can achieve the same cast regardless where your line guide was when you disengage the reel? If people were expecting to gain 20 yards on a cast the fault and disappointment is there own imo. Daiwa isn't ruining anything imo. If you don't want a T Wing Steez there are plenty of other Steez options readily available. I for one am looking forward to several Daiwa new releases this year. Alphas Air, Zillion SV TW and this. Haters gonna hate. Yes, I'm a fan boy
DirtyDeuceGoose reply :
Heck, it might not even be called "Steez", the official name hasn't been released. More to come 29 January.
GodfatherOfSeoul reply :
Nothing wrong with TWS
webertime reply :
Steez= Ferrari
Steez TWS= Ferrari with a bumper sticker.
I'm sure it will be a winner though.
rippin-lips reply :
Another new release coming out
Montanaro reply :
Omg what is that? Smaller frame tatula???!!!
kingmotorboat reply :
I love the t wing for vertical drop presentation and I think it serves it's purpose great in that.
5fishlimit reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 12:10 PM, the reel ess said:I was in Cabela's today and just had to seek one of these out just to see how it works.
How was that even possible? They won't be available for 2 more weeks.
Maybe you were able to help Doc fix the Flux capacitor? ?
drew4779 reply :
I for one, have had no problems with the t-wing system. I can't say that it makes a huge difference either way but I understand the concept. I certainly don't feel this will hinder the reels performance.
the reel ess reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 1:56 AM, 5fishlimit said:How was that even possible? They won't be available for 2 more weeks.
Maybe you were able to help Doc fix the Flux capacitor? ?
I meant I checked out the T-Wing thingy on the Tatula. I hadn't held one. I wondered how the guide "came apart."
kickerfish1 reply :
I think Shimano has hit more "Home runs" than Daiwa has in 2015 and 2016 and I am now exclusively fishing both brands. I will let the dust settle and see what is left by spring when a few new things should be officially introduced by both parties.
I have had my Tatula for about a year and half and haven't had any grooving issues. Love the reel just not crazy about the frame. At this point I don't have a strong preference on the T-wing system yet...
DirtyDeuceGoose reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 12:11 AM, rippin-lips said:Another new release coming out
Hmmm
dwtaylor reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 4:44 AM, DirtyDeuceGoose said:I'd really like to see more pictures of it. I'm honestly kind of intrigued by it. Not to say it will replace my current Steez reels by any means.
BS. You will get one. Don't lie to yourself.
DirtyDeuceGoose reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 4:19 AM, dwtaylor said:BS. You will get one. Don't lie to yourself.
Well you know me, that red one is interesting. Maybe you'll buy my 50th.
dwtaylor reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 4:23 AM, DirtyDeuceGoose said:Well you know me, that red one is interesting. Maybe you'll buy my 50th.
Only if it magically turned itself into a Shimano...
Bass2124 reply :
I love the TWS on my Tatulas......Anyone who says it doesn't give extra casting distance must not be using braid. I use braid on all my reels and I get 30 extra feet easily compared to any other reels that I own. My favorite and most expensive reel is my Curado I but the Tatula blows it out of the water when it comes to chucking lures that need distance.
Hogsticker reply :
Well on a positive note, Mag Force 3D is back. I'll let you all form your own pre release opinions. It looks bigger (tall &wide) than I'd like, as does the new Zillion. Gonna let someone else play guinea pig.
Hogsticker reply :
MSRP to be determined. Something tells me it ain't gonna be cheap.
https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=2&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.daiwaweb.com/jp/fishing/item/reel/bait_rl/steez_sv_tw/index.html
new2BC4bass reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 4:23 AM, DirtyDeuceGoose said:Well you know me, that red one is interesting. Maybe you'll buy my 50th.
What condition is it in? How much? My 50th is one of my favorite reels. It is a set and forget Daiwa. Let a guy use it for a bit one day. Said he had a b/c reel, but no longer used it because it would backlash after 3-4 good casts. Later he asked me "How do you backlash this reel?" 
On 1/18/2016 at 11:56 AM, Bass2124 said:I love the TWS on my Tatulas......Anyone who says it doesn't give extra casting distance must not be using braid. I use braid on all my reels and I get 30 extra feet easily compared to any other reels that I own. My favorite and most expensive reel is my Curado I but the Tatula blows it out of the water when it comes to chucking lures that need distance.
Mono on mine. I don't find it to cast any further than many other reels. I would have to take it someplace on dry land where I could measure actual distance to verify any possible differences. Then I would have to have the same line on each reel and use the same rod and lure. Not going to happen. I am satisfied with its performance and that is all that matters to me.
Raul reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 4:19 AM, dwtaylor said:BS. You will get one. Don't lie to yourself.
He didn´t say he won´t purchase one, he said he wouldn´t replace his Steez for one.
rippin-lips reply :
They were able to keep it very light at 5.5oz but it's definitely full bodied.
IAY reply :
I like it a lot. FX68L is pretty wide reel, but sits and palms really well in my hand.
Hogsticker reply :
I'm not gonna lie, I like my girls a little thick, but this reel is a bit to robust. It still gets to wide at the front from the picture posted above.
DirtyDeuceGoose reply :
On 1/19/2016 at 3:57 AM, Hogsticker said:I'm not gonna lie, I like my girls a little thick
So you just can't get caught by your friends, that's all!
rippin-lips reply :
On 1/19/2016 at 4:43 AM, DirtyDeuceGoose said:So you just can't get caught by your friends, that's all!
It's like a moped...
Fun to ride but you wouldn't want your friends to see you on one.
bootytrain reply :
On 1/19/2016 at 12:54 AM, rippin-lips said:They were able to keep it very light at 5.5oz but it's definitely full bodied.
Shape reminds me of the T3. It should be pretty comfortable for the way I palm. I'm going to buy one for sure now that I know it has 3D brakes... after I buy the new Antares DC of course lol
Jrob78 reply :
I give them props for going in a completely different direction with the shape. People said the Tatula frame was too wide, they definitely changed it. I am very curious to see how this one palms.
smallie.mike reply :
Looks sweet to me, I want one for sure. doesn't look like that t-wing will have grooving issues.
Cgrinder reply :
Fat bottom reels, you make the rockin' world go 'round.
Hogsticker reply :
3d brakes have not been confirmed to the best of my knowledge. Folks on that other cite are swearing it will not have them. I'm not convinced.
Molay1292 reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 1:35 AM, kingmotorboat said:I love the t wing for vertical drop presentation and I think it serves it's purpose great in that.
Care to share your thoughts on this? I have always used spinning reels where vertical bait presentation was important. I would be interested in how the TWS reduces the pendulum swing that you typically see with BC reels.
kingmotorboat reply :
On 1/19/2016 at 7:29 PM, Molay1292 said:Care to share your thoughts on this? I have always used spinning reels where vertical bait presentation was important. I would be interested in how the TWS reduces the pendulum swing that you typically see with BC reels.
And this is just strictly my opinion, the shape of the t wing does give the lure a more natural fall, I use a 6'10 mh tatula rod and tat type r for my lighter t rigs and close quarters pitching. Just seems to me that instead of your standard line guide the the line has more room to play. As I said this is just strictly my opinion.
Molay1292 reply :
On 1/20/2016 at 3:26 AM, kingmotorboat said:And this is just strictly my opinion, the shape of the t wing does give the lure a more natural fall, I use a 6'10 mh tatula rod and tat type r for my lighter t rigs and close quarters pitching. Just seems to me that instead of your standard line guide the the line has more room to play. As I said this is just strictly my opinion.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
kingmotorboat reply :
On 1/20/2016 at 6:50 AM, Molay1292 said:Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Welcome, it's not the most popular opinion but I feel like it truly helps in that area. Maybe it's a confidence thing I don't know
Hogsticker reply :
Well it turns out the new Zillion TW SV is made in Thailand. If this new Steez is as well it's official, I agree, Daiwa has lost it.
5fishlimit reply :
The top is the new Zillion SV TWS.
The bottom is the Zillion TWS.
5fishlimit reply :
The more I look at this picture the more I am starting to like what is going on.
rippin-lips reply :
It's strange that the 'steez' has the t wing exposed a lot more.
rippin-lips reply :
On 1/20/2016 at 10:08 AM, Hogsticker said:Well it turns out the new Zillion TW SV is made in Thailand. If this new Steez is as well it's official, I agree, Daiwa has lost it.
It would be strange for them not to have their flagship reel be made in Japan but who knows. We will find out soon enough.
DirtyDeuceGoose reply :
Yeah I don't quite get the ultra exposed wing either. Perhaps it's due to the thumb bar being changed?
IAY reply :
It's probably to compensate for the height.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/20/2016 at 11:53 AM, rippin-lips said:It's strange that the 'steez' has the t wing exposed a lot more.
And depending on thumb placement it could be hitting the thumb or lower part of index finger. The line guide on the SV105 sticks out some and at times with my thumb across the top it gets hit, see the same happening here.
S. Sass reply :
On 1/20/2016 at 11:46 AM, 5fishlimit said:
The top is the new Zillion SV TWS.
The bottom is the Zillion TWS.
I'm sorry but that Zillion SV looks photoshopped to me.
Reminds me of some of the pics you find on facebook where someone wanted to be thin. 
bootytrain reply :
On 1/20/2016 at 11:53 AM, rippin-lips said:It's strange that the 'steez' has the t wing exposed a lot more.
I'm guessing its to aid casting distance. The new Conquest has its levelwind stick out farther. The Metaniums is pretty far out but the top plate covers it.
bootytrain reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 3:41 AM, WRB said:I have 3 Tatula R's that have worked perfectly now for nearly 4 years.
Every pooh poohed the R's as not worth the extra $ and thought the 8:1 ratio was a gimmic 3 years ago.
Daiwa is dedicated to the at wing, that should be obvious and they wouldn't continue with the T wing design if it was negative to thier sales.
Tom
The tatula has only been out a little over 2 years
DenhamBruce reply :
After reading the title and seeing the first post I can honestly say that gave me a good laugh
DirtyDeuceGoose reply :
Somebody more knowledgable than myself might know more... But isn't there some benefit of having the line guide further from the spool? I thought this was something going on with the Curado I. I don't recall if it was too close or moved farther away.
Goose52 reply :
On 1/20/2016 at 11:53 AM, rippin-lips said:It's strange that the 'steez' has the t wing exposed a lot more.
Well - it looks like it would be easier to clear the ice out of that t-wing than on the Tatula...
rippin-lips reply :
Newest pics I've see if it.
Its also been confirmed that the reel is made in Japan.
Montanaro reply :
Kind of looks shimano-esque
rippin-lips reply :
Custom slp works Steez sv tw
Jrob78 reply :
That thing is hideous! 
5fishlimit reply :
I wonder if this SLP Works version will push close to $1k?
rippin-lips reply :
On 1/30/2016 at 9:37 PM, 5fishlimit said:I wonder if this SLP Works version will push close to $1k?
I doubt it will actually be available to the public. I think its too much for me.
Latest on the Steez
http://www.daiwa.com/us/contents/products/steez/index.html
fisherrw reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 10:11 PM, webertime said:Steez= Ferrari
Steez TWS= Ferrari with a bumper sticker.
I'm sure it will be a winner though.
x2
brantley5 reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 12:57 AM, rippin-lips said:
Jeff H reply :
On 1/17/2016 at 6:19 AM, rippin-lips said:Nothing really negative at all. It's just marketed as this mind blowing design that gives you a large increase in casting distance over a normal line guide.
Well, I think the TWS does what it was designed to do. I don't know that I would credit it with a large increase in distance but I do think it is effective. I've a feeling that this Steez will be a solid performer. If I was to completely start over with new reels I would select TWS equipped reels for those combo's I need to make longer casts with, like crankbaits or jerkbaits. I can get along without it for most everything else.
Jdw2920 reply :
I hate the tws I think it's garbage
bigturtle reply :
FrankN209 reply :
I think most of the negative talk about the TWS are from people that don't own one. The TWS doesn't give you more distance, but makes it easier to cast. You don't have to put a lot of effort into a cast to make a good one. But IMO, TWS isn't a bad concept...
fishnkamp reply :
Last year I purchased my first Tatula type R in the 8-1 ratio. Then I purchased a regular Tatula. I fished both of them hard. I also have a Shimano Chronarch 200E7 which is supposed to be one of Shimano's best. This spring I sold a bunch of reels off and picked up more of the Tatulas and even an Exceller. I got to fish them hard on our vacation on Dale Hollow and back here at home on the bay. All I can say that for a reel that costs less then $150, that performs that well, Diawa has hit a home run. That Chronarch will get replaced along with several other reels next spring. As for the T Wing haters you have not fished a Diawa T wing reel!!! Also do not compare these sub $200 reels to a Shimano or Lews ... that retail for $400. Compare apples to apples. Diawa has hit its mark well. I expect their new Steeze reels will do the same.
Master Bait'r reply :
I remember reading a thread a while back on TT about taking off the line guide on a PX type R and having it almost double the casting distance... While I don't think TWS will quite duplicate that, I do think it's a good middle ground between a regular style line guide and nothing at all. The beneficial physics make sense in theory, but of course people will ALWAYS react negatively to something new and unproven when the old way works so well.
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