shimano baitcasting reels quality 2024
fisherrw reply :
does anyone agree with me that shimano baitcasting reels have gone down in quality? I wont be buying anything but the E series from now on. I just really dislike the new I series and the g series. does anyone agree with me or do you think otherwise? thanks for the feedback I'm eager to see what yall think.
Preytorien reply :
I think the I series is the best one I've used for a while. The E is undoubtedly good, the G had its issues (I personally never had any), but I've used an I since the year it came out, multiple times a week, for various techniques and it's still the one I reach for before any others.
Rbm18 reply :
The G series I don't really care for a whole lot even though I've never had any trouble with them. I guess just the look of it I don't really like. As far as the I series I think it is the best curado yet.
Raul reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 3:08 AM, fisherrw said:
does anyone agree with me that shimano baitcasting reels have gone down in quality?
No, I don´t agree with you, actually they have improved light years away, for example, the G series that apparently nobody likes is a much better reel than a B series will ever be. I do have my favorite series, the D series is to me the best ever Shimano BCs.
fisherrw reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 4:00 AM, Raul said:No, I don´t agree with you, actually they have improved light years away, for example, the G series that apparently nobody likes is a much better reel than a B series will ever be. I do have my favorite series, the D series is to me the best ever Shimano BCs.
I think you are right in saying the G is better than the B but I don't think the I series is as good as the E. the D is a good series as well though...
*Hootie reply :
I have 3 G series Citicas that I have been using almost exclusively this season. I think, so far they are great little reels. They are performing flawlessly. I still have my Cores, my E series Chronarchs and Curado 50e's, my Curado i's, my Calcutta 100b's. Stradic 2500fj, and Sahara 3000,...blah....blah....blah. Shimano....Shimano.
Hootie
Raul reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 4:32 AM, *Hootie said:I have 3 G series Citicas that I have been using almost exclusively this season. I think, so far they are great little reels. They are performing flawlessly. I still have my Cores, my E series Chronarchs and Curado 50e's, my Curado i's, my Calcutta 100b's. Stradic 2500fj, and Sahara 3000,...blah....blah....blah. Shimano....Shimano.
Hootie
DAIWA RULEZ !!!!!
*Hootie reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 4:38 AM, Raul said:DAIWA RULEZ !!!!!
Thou sayest!!....lol.
Hootie
RJD1 reply :
I have several E7'S and I's I like them both. The I's are actually smoother imo. Time will tell regarding longevity but so far the I's have been solid reels.It seems like every time Shimano changes models everyone is critical of the new model. I fish muskies in addition to bass. The Calcutta 400TE was considered the Cadillac of musky reels. When it was discontinued and replaced by the Calcutta D, Shimano fans were generally quite upset. The TE's started selling for more than they cost new. I love the TE's but actually prefer the D's. I see the same thing with the E7's. Two years from now when the Curado J or K comes out everyone will be talking about how great the I was. Hard to go wrong with Shimano.
0119 reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 3:08 AM, fisherrw said:does anyone agree with me that shimano baitcasting reels have gone down in quality?
Yes. Across the board in all their products.
*Hootie reply :
I did forget to mention, I bought all 19 of the good Shimano reels...lol.
Hootie
TxHawgs reply :
I just recently purchased 5 new Shimanos and couldn't be happier. The Mentanium Aldebaran and Conquest HG are IMO the best of the best. There the only reels I will be putting on my rods.
J Francho reply :
I think in the realm of $200-ish reels, most companies have caught up with Shimano and Daiwa.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 4:00 AM, Raul said:No, I don´t agree with you, actually they have improved light years away, for example, the G series that apparently nobody likes is a much better reel than a B series will ever be. I do have my favorite series, the D series is to me the best ever Shimano BCs.
Better than ever,,,,, light years away,,,,,,, but you think the D is the best ever,,,,,,,,
Sorry but ya lost me there!! I for one do think they are worse, but cost more, and service is nowhere near what it was, that's why when the G was introduced, I bought a new at the time Lew's,,, started low TP,,, it was soi much better than the G I sent back I bought a Team,,,, that was so fricken good I started selling all my Shimano baitcasters Castaic, Curados, and replaced them with two Team Golds, then bought a Super Duty,,, by by Calcutta 200B, I was so impressed every time I bought another one of their reels I sold my core and replaced it with a Team Pro,
That was going on 4 years ago now, I was warned time would take its toll,,, every single one as smooth adn reliable as the day I bought em. The original Team, with the red accents, has 3 years of the maumee river run on it 2 months every year wading a muddy raging river and 2 times I remember dripping it in sand, and finishing the day with it, last time was this year, i had trouble disengaging the spool top cast it, but after over 7 hoiurs putting up with the grit, took it home cleaned and lubed each time. It is still smooth as silk and I even turned the 30# test 832 suffix around on the spool this time after 250 to300 hours of cast and retrieve use. It is my record reel, the only one I keep track of hours fished, the others are less used and don't see this kind of abuse but I don't feel I missed a thing, quite the opposite!
Nick S reply :
The D series curados and chronarchs were the best imo.
Dpatt402 reply :
My Shimano Citica has had back play in the reel handles since I took it out of the box. Not too impressed with the quality.
Poolshark reply :
I love the I series, I liked the b series, the d series the E series...my favorite is the g series. I say this because people sell them for so cheap. There is a bias here when comparing then to the e series because of cosmetics and useless bearings. It has saved me a lot of money. I haven't seen anything when breaking them down to assume that the quality has gone down. If I laid my g series curado next to my b series, I'd think the opposite of the OP. They are much more pleasurable to fish with and will probably last me a lifetime with care and maintanence.
On 5/4/2016 at 10:16 AM, Dpatt402 said:My Shimano Citica has had back play in the reel handles since I took it out of the box. Not too impressed with the quality.
If you fish the curado b series, in my opinion, the reel that made shimano a great entity.... You'll notice they are not smooth.. They were reliable. and performed decently. They never were smooth and still aren't smooth years and years later. .
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 10:16 AM, Dpatt402 said:My Shimano Citica has had back play in the reel handles since I took it out of the box. Not too impressed with the quality.
That's likely to improve with the first deep cleaning.
buzzed bait reply :
i don't think it's quite fair to make blanket statements about the whole line when most (including myself) have likely not tried everything they have in their lineup, even though i have tried a few.... don't get me wrong, i like my e series curados a lot, but i haven't tried an I curado, or a metanium or an antares or a new citica, etc. etc. etc.
so what i'm saying is i can't make any definitive statement about ALL their baitcasting reels...
fishballer06 reply :
You've clearly not used a Metanium or Aldebaran...
fisherrw reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 10:57 AM, fishballer06 said:You've clearly not used a Metanium or Aldebaran...
Have used metanium but of course it's better it cost twice as much! I'd rather stick with the curados , chronarchs and citicas.
buzzed bait reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 11:12 AM, fisherrw said:Have used metanium but of course it's better it cost twice as much! I'd rather stick with the curados , chronarchs and citicas.
right, but to be fair, your statement just said that shimano baitcasting reels had gone down in quality... basically the point of my post above.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 11:12 AM, fisherrw said:Have used metanium but of course it's better it cost twice as much! I'd rather stick with the curados , chronarchs and citicas.
But you see those arent the Made In Japan reels. The real quality begins with the Japan reels
. The E was Japan as well probably why that one you like.
Bluebasser86 reply :
I like my I's better than my E's.
I have 4 E's I'll trade for I's if you like them better. 3 200E7's and 1 E5.
The new 70 is the nicest reel I've owned and I'm planning on owning a few more.
*Hootie reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 1:44 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I like my I's better than my E's.
Of course you do. You can't see with your E's. Sorry, Bluebasser, I just couldn't restrain myself...lol.
By the way, those E's you're talking about. Chronarchs, or Curado's? And what kind of shape are they in?
Hootie
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 4:47 PM, *Hootie said:Of course you do. You can't see with your E's. Sorry, Bluebasser, I just couldn't restrain myself...lol.
By the way, those E's you're talking about. Chronarchs, or Curado's? And what kind of shape are they in?
Hootie
All Curado's. I fish a lot, probably more scuffs than most guys like, but I keep them cleaned up so they keep doing what I need them to do.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
why would you think a company's QC standards would change by geography ? In today's global economy (of which I'm no fan) off shore facilities are SOP for most companies. Pay it no mind.
J Francho reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 9:32 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:why would you think a company's QC standards would change by geography ?
Because we see it every time we offshore, er, I mean "best shore" services and manufacturing. It's an easy leap. Their standards may not change, but the reality of the quality may. Doesn't mean stuff is crap.
0119 reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 9:32 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:why would you think a company's QC standards would change by geography ? In today's global economy (of which I'm no fan) off shore facilities are SOP for most companies. Pay it no mind.
Perhaps its not the ability of the asian worker that has made this widespread opinion but the tier of product the mega conglomerates choose to produce in those countries. The new "Ambassadeur" SX family of reels compared to the Swedish made C4 and Record comes to mind. For me it was a combination of manufacturers and products that set my opinion of asia in stone. Every Revo I've bought has been a disappointment in quality. Seeing as a lew's is made in the same building, it tells me to never buy one. Shimano's replacement of the D series Curado with its plastic levelwind guide, black enameled sideplate screws, plastic levelwind eye housing, plastic drag star thus set my opinion of shimano and its cost cutting efforts.
Dye99 reply :
I bought two Curado 201's last year. One still functions ok, and the other sounds like hell. Had them maintained of course. Nothing compared to my Abu Garcia stuff...So far, my Revo's have been reliable and tough.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 9:58 PM, Dye99 said:I bought two Curado 201's last year. One still functions ok, and the other sounds like hell. Had them maintained of course. Nothing compared to my Abu Garcia stuff...So far, my Revo's have been reliable and tough.
Use a Q tip to run a little oil inside the sideplate of the reel where your brakes contact and it'll fix that noise if it's the one everyone talks about. I do it with mine about once a month and it keeps them from making any noise.
fisherrw reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 1:44 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I like my I's better than my E's.
I have 4 E's I'll trade for I's if you like them better. 3 200E7's and 1 E5.
The new 70 is the nicest reel I've owned and I'm planning on owning a few more.
are they left hand? very interested if they are...
J Francho reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 9:43 PM, 119 said:Shimano's replacement of the D series Curado with its plastic levelwind guide, black enameled sideplate screws, plastic levelwind eye housing, plastic drag star thus set my opinion of shimano and its cost cutting efforts.
basically, everything the B was....
everybody's gripe about the D was weight. wonder how they do this? lighter materials?
Raul reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 11:37 PM, J Francho said:basically, everything the B was....
everybody's gripe about the D was weight. wonder how they do this? lighter materials?
Exactly, the D series Curado and Citica was a gigantic leap in quality over the B series, the B series was much more cheaply made ( lots of composite materials ), actually, in order to obtain what the D series offered vs the B series you had to jump to the Chronarch, a much more expensive reel.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 11:34 PM, fisherrw said:are they left hand? very interested if they are...
No, all righties.
fisherrw reply :
On 5/5/2016 at 12:00 AM, Bluebasser86 said:No, all righties.
too bad...
.ghoti. reply :
I'm with John on this. If you spend $200 and up, you're gonna get a good piece of gear, that with regular maintenance, will give you years of fine sevice; no matter who made it, or where.
In terms of gear quality, these are the good old days. Our rods, reels, lines, baits, electronics, etc, are all so much better than what we were all using 20 years ago. I'd like to see what's in store 20 yeras from now. Or 50 years.
One of these days soembody will make a baitcaster that will cast a 1/32oz bait, never backlash, hold 300 yards of whatever line you want, have 82 pounds of drag, weigh less than 3 ounces and cost 50 bucks.
And you know what will happen? Somebody will complain about it.
buzzed bait reply :
On 5/5/2016 at 2:24 AM, .ghoti. said:One of these days soembody will make a baitcaster that will cast a 1/32oz bait, never backlash, hold 300 yards of whatever line you want, have 82 pounds of drag, weigh less than 3 ounces and cost 50 bucks.
And you know what will happen? Somebody will complain about it.
well of course... because it will likely be outsourced to Mars, and we all know how those lazy Martians have no Quality Control....
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Shimano makes lots of reel models. I don't understand the desire to judge the whole line on the Curado. The Curado B was a workhorse reel never intended to be the standard bearer of refinement. The E to G was an attempt to get back to that. People came unhinged after being spoiled in a sense by the E so out comes the redesigned I. To get maintain the workhorse price point and deliver some level of refinement something has to give. Labor savings looks like one and certain materials. On the material side, there have been lots if refinements over the years in plastics, graphite and others. Metal parts and heavy hardware give an air of quality but are overkill in some ways. As a tech, dealing with light and soft hardware is a pain though.
J Francho reply :
On 5/5/2016 at 4:02 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:I don't understand the desire to judge the whole line on the Curado.
The ones whining and spewing vitriole the most about Shimano quality haven't touched one in over a decade. Any point points made, are irrelevant, and are hopefully dismissed by most readers. You have weed through forum posts. I'm not a Shimano guy, but most of the complaints or arguments against don't make much sense. Why? Because they don't even use them. It's actually funny to read the stuff.
lmbfisherman reply :
I own or owned curados from b, e, g and I. I really don't see a quality issue. I also own Citica Gs too. I also agree a lot of Internet whiners never held one and just stated that it sucks based on others feedback. I own other Shimano reels Chronarch 50 mg and Metaniums. Love them all.
J Francho reply :
I actually took an original Citica back, probably around '91/92? Liked the Daiwa PS-5 (I think that's what it was, 5 bearing reel) better. Go figure. I like my E series reels. Might be putting some up for FM soon. Time to update!
Dye99 reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 10:01 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Use a Q tip to run a little oil inside the sideplate of the reel where your brakes contact and it'll fix that noise if it's the one everyone talks about. I do it with mine about once a month and it keeps them from making any noise.
Ill try that tonight, thanks!
fishballer06 reply :
On 5/5/2016 at 4:10 AM, J Francho said:The ones whining and spewing vitriole the most about Shimano quality haven't touched one in over a decade. I'm not a Shimano guy, but most of the complaints or arguments against don't make much sense. Why? Because they don't even use them. It's actually funny to read the stuff.
I don't get this about people. I consider myself a Shimano guy. I own probably 2 dozen Shimano reels (casting and spinning). I have no issues with any of my reels. Do I like my E series more than the I series Curado/Chronarch? Yes, but the I series is still an excellent reel.
At the same time, I own/have owned "high end" reels from competitor's. Zillions, Tatula's, Revo MGX, etc. All of which were fine reels. My old Zillions are probably the best work horse cranking reels I've ever seen. The Tatula is a great reel for the price, but I prefer the Curado and Chronarch over it. The MGX is probably the smoothest reel I've ever owned, however I have since sold it and replaced it with another Shimano. I've used an STX, and while it's a decent reel, I feel that anything Shimano in that price range is superior.
I have never owned any Lews reels. But I know they're made in the same place as Abu Revos, and I know that I've never liked the feel of any of their reels whenever I have held one. Because of that, I stay away from them.
At the end of the day, any high end reel is going treat you right with the proper maintenance. Use what you like/can afford. Eventually, from trial and error, you'll likely find a brand that you prefer. Me personally, I prefer Shimano because I have never been let down by any of their products, from the Curado to the Aldebaran. However, if someone prefers another product, more power to them. At the end of the day, I know that my 15+ year old Curado B still works weekend after weekend, so I will stand with Shimano.
Will my Metanium's still work in 15 years? Who knows??? But if they last 10 years, I'd say I got my money's worth.
tomustang reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 3:08 AM, fisherrw said:does anyone agree with me that shimano baitcasting reels have gone down in quality? I wont be buying anything but the E series from now on. I just really dislike the new I series and the g series. does anyone agree with me or do you think otherwise? thanks for the feedback I'm eager to see what yall think.
In order for someone to agree they must have the same opinion as you, though you haven't expressed your thought on why you dislike the models after the E series
fisherrw reply :
On 5/5/2016 at 6:28 AM, tomustang said:In order for someone to agree they must have the same opinion as you, though you haven't expressed your thought on why you dislike the models after the E series
They feel cheaper made.
Cgrinder reply :
I will feel warm and toasty tonight wrapped up in these blanket statements.
Nick S reply :
On 5/5/2016 at 4:10 AM, J Francho said:The ones whining and spewing vitriole the most about Shimano quality haven't touched one in over a decade. Any point points made, are irrelevant, and are hopefully dismissed by most readers. You have weed through forum posts. I'm not a Shimano guy, but most of the complaints or arguments against don't make much sense. Why? Because they don't even use them. It's actually funny to read the stuff.
On 5/5/2016 at 6:18 AM, fishballer06 said:I don't get this about people.
4 hours ago, fishballer06 said:I have never owned any Lews reels. But I know they're made in the same place as Abu Revos, and I know that I've never liked the feel of any of their reels whenever I have held one. Because of that, I stay away from them.
Nick S reply :
On 5/5/2016 at 8:09 AM, fisherrw said:They feel cheaper made.
I agree with that.
I've had many shimano casting and spinning reels over they years and still use quite a few. The D series curados and chronarchs are my favorite and I'll continue to use them until parts are impossible to find. Didn't care for the e series reels, they lost their smoothness quickly. Never owned any g series reels. I have an I series curado and citica which are ok so far. (But I wouldn't pay any more for the curado, the citica is the same reel.)
The only shimano spinning reels I've ever liked are the stradic fj and ci4+ (4000 size ci4+). The rest have all been a huge disappointment with durability and binding issues. Just sold my new stradic fk, like you said it felt cheaply made. Definitely didn't feel as solid as my fj's and didn't feel like it had that effortless cranking power the fj's and ci4+ have.
A good example of shimano cheapening thier reels are the symetre and saros. They both used to have aluminum frames and now they're graphite.
These are all just my experiences with these reels, if others have had good luck with every shimano reel that's great. To say that anyone complaining about shimano reels has never used one is just nonsense.
BassThumb reply :
The Shimano G's were a dud, but the D, E, and I are all excellent reels as far as I'm concerned. Obviously, the newer I-series hasn't really been around long enough to truly 'stand the test of time', but the others have.
Speaking to Shimano's longevity, in 2009 I completely retooled my rod/reel selection from the mix-and-match selection that I previously had which consisted of Shimano, Daiwa, Abu, and Pfleuger in the $75-100 range mainly.
I picked up 5 Curado E's, 2 Citica E's, and 3 Abu Revo STX's in summer 2009. At present, 2 of the 3 STX are inoperable and need repair, while the E's series Shimanos still run like new after each annual breakdown and cleaning.
To add insult to injury, one of the now-broken STX was replaced by a 10-year old Curado DHSV (D-series), which I tried to replace with the lighter, smaller, smoother STX back in 2009. Clearly that didn't work out -- I came full circle -- and the big 'ol clunk of a DHSV again works perfectly on my frogging stick, despite it's size.
lmbfisherman reply :
In another 5-6 years I'll see if my G series explodes or not. I'll report back then.
Catt reply :
This thread reminds me why I don't buy reels every time a new model comes out!
My 30+ year old Calcuttas are series A; solid as a anvil, versatile as as pair of ChannelLocks, dependable as a 30/30.
May put new bearing in em 
J Francho reply :
The Pure Fishing clones and related Lew's have some of the nicest feeling thumbar spool release and engage in the biz. I work on reels - seriously, lots of them - and I know why they feel "nice" in this way. There's a cost to that. There's a coat to the tightness in a Daiwa, and the sweet feel of their brakes. Shimanos are very mechanical and precise, despite a tiny bit of spool slop. Pick your poison. Or try an Okuma, Pinnacle, or other brand for that matter. They have their own personality too. Spend some coin, and don't compare entry level stuff. It's a good time to buy reels.
Alonerankin2 reply :
On 5/5/2016 at 12:48 PM, Catt said:This thread reminds me why I don't buy reels every time a new model comes out!
My 30+ year old Calcuttas are series A; solid as a anvil, versatile as as pair of ChannelLocks, dependable as a 30/30.
May put new bearing in em
30/30 is a excellent brush round..
Oh, the Calcutta is a d**n tank..for sure.
0119 reply :
On 5/5/2016 at 4:10 AM, J Francho said:The ones whining and spewing vitriole the most about Shimano quality haven't touched one in over a decade. Any point points made, are irrelevant
Only to you perhaps or be it your opinion. Opinion, something everyone is entitled to. Its been much less than a decade in fact just this spring when I bought 2 Chronarch CI4's in effort to give shimano another try. The huge gap surrounding the plastic brake dial was instrumental in allowing plenty of water into the reel. Unimpressed.
Are you going to follow every post I make while policing me in my points purgatory? Always having a snide comment..... Please just ban me and lets get this over with......
J Francho reply :
A general comment about the dichotomy of posts that show up whenever there's a Shimano thread. I wasn't really impressed with the Chronarch CI4, at that price point, though I'm not sure I've ever seen a waterproof brake dial. Water's been getting into my Daiwas for 20 years, and it never caused a problem.
As far banning…all you have to do is hit the log out button, if you hate it here so much. BTW, political posts are no Bueno here. Just a friendly reminder.
RB 77 reply :
I own 8 versions of the E series and like them all. With that being said, the more I fish my I series the more I like it. Great reel IMHO. I will be getting more in the future, no doubt about it.
J Francho reply :
I have a sweet ch201e7 going up for same soon. Keep your eyes peeled if you're looking.
flyfisher reply :
I have been using shimano baitcasters for a while and have stuck with the citica models for my budget and they have done well. I have G and E models and i actually like the G models better but I have no concerns with either after quite a few years of hard use in my kayak. I do know that they all performed much better after i sent them to DVT for servicing.
dam0007 reply :
I really like my Citica and Curado G reels. They serve their purpose. I actually like them more than my Chronarch E series reels due to ergonomics, people with short fingers like myself know what I'm talking about. I'm just getting my feet wet this year with the newer stuff Met, I series Curado and Citica, Chronarch Ci4 etc. 1 thing is for sure none of them perform as good as the 1001XT for my taste/workflow.
Cgrinder reply :
I think the Ci4+ was kind of a "hey look what we can do with this neat material" reel. I'm getting rid of mine but not because of the feel (4 pin red SVS and I are never going to get along). The reel feels different but not bad or cheap. Also its just about the only thing that's comfortable to palm on that stupid ergonomic reel seat that Shimano is using now.
At least Shimano isn't Daiwa, who still for whatever reason thinks the T-wing is a good idea.
Raul reply :
On 5/6/2016 at 12:02 AM, Cgrinder said:I think the Ci4+ was kind of a "hey look what we can do with this neat material" reel. I'm getting rid of mine but not because of the feel (4 pin red SVS and I are never going to get along). The reel feels different but not bad or cheap. Also its just about the only thing that's comfortable to palm on that stupid ergonomic reel seat that Shimano is using now.
At least Shimano isn't Daiwa, who still for whatever reason thinks the T-wing is a good idea.
I´ve been a Shimano / Daiwa customer since the day Abu put away that junk of a reel called Torno: Shimano pretty much "gets it right" every time, Daiwa not so much, for whatever reason they insist in "improving" something that really needs no improvements with some sort of "innovative" development, innovation may run through Daiwa´s veins but such innovation is sometimes too much. For example you only need a button:
Not many here know about this one, what a POS ! and I´m not talking just because, a friend of mine actually purchased one and I´ve had it in my hands. When Daiwa´s innovation screws badly !
J Francho reply :
I like that Daiwa takes risks. On the other side of that hideous coin above, is Mag V/Z braking systems.
IAY reply :
On 5/6/2016 at 12:02 AM, Cgrinder said:I think the Ci4+ was kind of a "hey look what we can do with this neat material" reel. I'm getting rid of mine but not because of the feel (4 pin red SVS and I are never going to get along). The reel feels different but not bad or cheap. Also its just about the only thing that's comfortable to palm on that stupid ergonomic reel seat that Shimano is using now.
At least Shimano isn't Daiwa, who still for whatever reason thinks the T-wing is a good idea.
The line management with way I cast is wayyyyy better with T-Wing than anything else I got in my arsenal.
dam0007 reply :
T Wing aside, the Tatula platform is rock solid for the money. I don't think anyone can deny that.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 5/6/2016 at 12:27 AM, Raul said:I´ve been a Shimano / Daiwa customer since the day Abu put away that junk of a reel called Torno: Shimano pretty much "gets it right" every time, Daiwa not so much, for whatever reason they insist in "improving" something that really needs no improvements with some sort of "innovative" development, innovation may run through Daiwa´s veins but such innovation is sometimes too much. For example you only need a button:
Not many here know about this one, what a POS ! and I´m not talking just because, a friend of mine actually purchased one and I´ve had it in my hands. When Daiwa´s innovation screws badly !
You learn more through failures than with success Daiwa has learned a whole lot.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 5/5/2016 at 6:49 PM, 119 said:Only to you perhaps or be it your opinion. Opinion, something everyone is entitled to. Its been much less than a decade in fact just this spring when I bought 2 Chronarch CI4's in effort to give shimano another try. The huge gap surrounding the plastic brake dial was instrumental in allowing plenty of water into the reel. Unimpressed.
Are you going to follow every post I make while policing me in my points purgatory? Always having a snide comment..... Please just ban me and lets get this over with......
I second that motion
Raul reply :
On 5/6/2016 at 10:23 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:You learn more through failures than with success Daiwa has learned a whole lot.
Apparantly they don't, imho, they ruined very good reels by adding the TWS, it's an "improvement" they didn't need.
fisherrw reply :
On 5/6/2016 at 9:10 PM, Raul said:Apparantly they don't, imho, they ruined very good reels by adding the TWS, it's an "improvement" they didn't need.
I second this. I owned a t3 for a while and liked the reel but hated the t wing....
clh121787 reply :
On 5/5/2016 at 2:05 PM, J Francho said:The Pure Fishing clones and related Lew's have some of the nicest feeling thumbar spool release and engage in the biz. I work on reels - seriously, lots of them - and I know why they feel "nice" in this way. There's a cost to that. There's a coat to the tightness in a Daiwa, and the sweet feel of their brakes. Shimanos are very mechanical and precise, despite a tiny bit of spool slop. Pick your poison. Or try an Okuma, Pinnacle, or other brand for that matter. They have their own personality too. Spend some coin, and don't compare entry level stuff. It's a good time to buy reels.
What do you mean by spool slop? Is that side to side movement when the spool tension know is backed off
J Francho reply :
If you flush all the excessive grease, and there's a tiny bit of for and aft movement of the spool, when it's in gear. It isn't a bad thing, and has to do with the super beefy AR roller bearing. The cylinders are larger than many other brands, so there's a micro millimeter of movement required before the the one way bearing locks.
Movement side to side would be worn out shims, or too loose a spool tension. Totally different.
In contrast, Daiwa and PF use very narrow cylinders for their AR roller bearings, but compensate by using almost twice as many.
Hope that helped.
Nick S reply :
On 5/7/2016 at 7:53 AM, J Francho said:If you flush all the excessive grease, and there's a tiny bit of for and aft movement of the spool, when it's in gear. It isn't a bad thing, and has to do with the super beefy AR roller bearing. The cylinders are larger than many other brands, so there's a micro millimeter of movement required before the the one way bearing locks.
Movement side to side would be worn out shims, or too loose a spool tension. Totally different.
In contrast, Daiwa and PF use very narrow cylinders for their AR roller bearings, but compensate by using almost twice as many.
Hope that helped.
If you are holding the handle tight and there's front to back play in the spool it's not possible for it to be caused by the ar bearing. If it was caused by the ar bearing the handle would have the same movement. What causes slop in most shimano spools is the notch in the pinion gear that slips over the spool pin doesn't fit tight.
J Francho reply :
There's that too, but that's for every reel.
fisherrw reply :
On 5/7/2016 at 10:24 AM, J Francho said:There's that too, but that's for every reel.
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primetime reply :
I think you can get amazing deals on Fishing Reels these days and as mentioned I think every company makes good quality reels depending on price point etc...I seem to love every high end reel I have ever held from the major companies and even House brands...
I don't really care where stuff is made, I find if I take care of it, I will be happy, and if I have a problem, it seems companies are more than happy to help you out since competition is tight these days...
I am often amazed at some of the deals you can find for what I consider High end reels..$100-$150 is the most I will spend but that works for me, I am not the type of person who notices little differences in one reel to the next....
As long as they cast and reel, have a smooth drag, I am happy...and I must be lucky because I have a Silver Max that is 5 years old if not more that works fine...I guess it is not as smooth as my newer reels, but if I pick it up and the right lure is on it that day, I may use it all day with much better stuff laying down next to it...
I guess it is all about what makes you happy..Nothing wrong with buying expensive reels or inexpensive reels as long as you have your expectations regarding "Value" realistic. And that is not a knock vs. any comments above...I actually have never really looked at the Shimano pages that go past the Caenan, Citica, and Curado...Or the Tatula for Daiwa...Revo for Abu...I just can't spend the money on the top end stuff that retails for over $200 but I am sure if I owned one, I would not find anything wrong with it....
I think the industry is in a race for lighter reels, and faster, so I don't know if the lighter exterior means less quality, even if it does, light casting reels are really nice....
22hertz reply :
I bought my first baitcaster a year ago, a Curado I and have nothing to compare it to except older Shimano spinning reels.
For the price I paid I'm very happy with it.
Something I notice is some guys equate (plastic/carbon) light weight to cheap.
You can get light weight by using expensive metals and processes which does feel more solid and premium but it raises the cost.
If good quality plastic or carbon is used in non-stress areas it allows a lighter product at a lower cost.
I understand this and I'm OK with it. Some people want to feel the premium in their hands but you have to pay for it, and Shimano offers that if you're willing to shell out $400.
Nick S reply :
On 5/7/2016 at 10:24 AM, J Francho said:There's that too, but that's for every reel.
So how can a AR bearing cause front to back movement of the spool when it's engaged? There will always be movement backwards unless you are holding the handle tight. If the handle is tight and spool still moves forward and back it has nothing to do with the AR bearing.
J Francho reply :
The anti reverse (AR) bearing prevents backwards movement. There is a bit of play before the rollers are pressed into the the small leaf springs, locking the spool. Shimano uses big rollers.
PitchinJigz reply :
On 5/4/2016 at 9:02 AM, J Francho said:I think in the realm of $200-ish reels, most companies have caught up with Shimano and Daiwa.
I disagree, I own a Lew's Team Lite that seemed nice right away, but in a matter of 1 1/2 years, it hasn't held up very well. However, I haven't had that problem with my Curado's at all, and they're $60 less. It doesn't hold a finger to a Tatula Type-R either.
Nick S reply :
On 5/9/2016 at 3:21 AM, J Francho said:The anti reverse (AR) bearing prevents backwards movement. There is a bit of play before the rollers are pressed into the the small leaf springs, locking the spool. Shimano uses big rollers.
Yeah I understand what an AR bearing does. I just don't get how that causes forward and back play in the spool like you described. The anti-reverse bearings locks the main shaft not the spool. If the handle is held tight and the spool still has forward and back play the slop is in the gears or where the spool pin seats in the pinion gear.
J Francho reply :
Dude, put your thumb on the spool and rock the handle. It's that simple. Jeez.
Nick S reply :
On 5/9/2016 at 9:20 AM, J Francho said:Dude, put your thumb on the spool and rock the handle. It's that simple. Jeez.
You keep saying back and forth or "for and aft" play in the spool. The only thing a sloppy AR bearing would cause is BACKPLAY in the handle. If the handle or spool has play in both directions when one or the other is held tight that play is in the gears or where the spool pin sits in the pinion gear. It's that simple. DUDE!
Master Bait'r reply :
Lol. If you think Shimano has taken a dive then by all means don't buy one. There are plenty of options out there and nobody is forcing you.
These threads are always hilarious though. I'm sad I missed 4 pages of ranting and arguing over minutia!
GetJigginWithIt reply :
On 5/9/2016 at 9:20 AM, J Francho said:Dude, put your thumb on the spool and rock the handle. It's that simple. Jeez.
Franco,
Reverse what you are saying. He is talking holding the handle so it cannot move. Then use your thumb to spin spool and the spool has play forward and backwards. Sounds like to me it could be a bad pinion gear.
J Francho reply :
On 5/9/2016 at 10:14 AM, Nick S said:You keep saying back and forth or "for and aft" play in the spool. The only thing a sloppy AR bearing would cause is BACKPLAY in the handle. If the handle or spool has play in both directions when one or the other is held tight that play is in the gears or where the spool pin sits in the pinion gear. It's that simple. DUDE!
I have owned 20+ Shimano baitcasters. Clearly, you do not understand what I'm saying. You want to call it backplay, then fine. Use your term, though it isn't actually a word. I'm totally done debating semantics. I'll let you be righter than me. That work for you?
@GetJIgginWithIt: It isn't a bad pinion gear. 23 Shimano baitcasters do it. I'm not the only one that notices. You can't feel it while fishing, and it's not a defect, just a trait of the design. It's not something everyone might notice, it's so minor.
Again, I'm done with the discussion. Sorry for using the wrong word.
Raul reply :
Nobody gives a dang about handle backplay when the reel lasts 2 decades, has caught more 10+ lbers than you will ever wish to catch in your lifetime nd it's still going to catch thousands more fish performing flawlessly for you after an initial investment of $120 ( it was serious money 20 years ago ).
Glenn reply :
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