new BPS carbonlite rods LOL 2024
21farms reply :
;D here's the description of the new carbonlite rods at bass pro shops:
QuoteYou're going to hear a lot about CarbonLite as it far exceeds current technology in rod design. Performance-wise, it's all about revolutionary materialsa total re-thinking of what goes into making the strongest, lightest, most incredibly sensitive rod ever devised. A CarbonLite rod is a thing of beauty, built on an ultra-rich carbon-fiber blank that compares favorably to 85 million modulus (IM9) graphite. Sleek, smooth carbon fiber transmits vibrations instantly and weighs much less than standard materials, yet has hookset power to spare. The guides are special: feather-light, stealth-black, Pacific Bay® DLC stainless steel frames with titanium-carbide inserts and a PVD (physical vapor deposition) coating to make them extra-slick and damage-resistant. Split handles with P-Tec poly-foam grips (and virtually no foregrip) keep weight low and blank contact high; our two-piece Soft Touch reel seat is light, comfortable, and bridgeless, exposing significantly more blank area to direct hand contact. All in all, you'll love the feel and handling of this revolutionary rod, guaranteed. And with every model available for far less than high-end rodsyou'll love the price too!
the first line cracks me up. the only possible explanation for this rod being able to exceed current technology is that they went forward in time and brought the technology back to 2009...wow, just think: for $90, you can fish with a rod from the future! LOL
SWMIBASSER reply :
Sounds like it could be another option for a great rod for those not wanting to spend a ton of money.
KYntucky Warmouth reply :
Maybe they should have said "You're going to hear a lot about CarbonLite as it far exceeds OUR current technology in rod design." I would believe that statement. But IMO it looks like it might be a nice rod for the price. Definitely LOOKS neat but we all know looks can be deceiving. If I were to seen it on the racks I definitely would at least pick it up
Grey Wolf reply :
Once the rod gets out on the market and people use them for a while we'll know if they are worth the hype.
Uncle Leo reply :
They look good for the price, a lot of competition as of late at that price point so they may be somewhat decent.
SWMIBASSER reply :
I think I'm in the minority on this one....
After buying into the whole split grip, no front grip "look" last winter.......
I'm sick of the no front/split grip look. Everyone is trying to look the same, and it's already old IMO. You should be able to build a light rod and KEEP a real handle.
The new swept handle trend in reels I really like though.
Paul Roberts reply :
The fishing world is the last bastion of the snake-oil salesman. I'm sure it'll catch fish just fine.
SDoolittle reply :
QuoteI think I'm in the minority on this one....After buying into the whole split grip, no front grip "look" last winter.......
I'm sick of the no front/split grip look. Everyone is trying to look the same, and it's already old IMO. You should be able to build a light rod and KEEP a real handle.
The new swept handle trend in reels I really like though.
There is more to it than weight reduction. The fact is, the more exposed blank you have, the better the rod will transmit vibration. That means a no front/split grip handled rod will be more sensitive than a traditional handled rod.
ww2farmer reply :
Quotea no front/split grip handled rod will be more sensitive than a traditional handled rod.
Keep drinking that kool-aid
The Rooster reply :
Actually I would tend to agree with that previous statement about the sensitivity being higher due to less dampening material. But I think we're talking about an increase that's almost completely undetectable to most people.
I personally don't buy into the whole split grip/less weight/more sensitive thing. I like the way they look but I don't believe it makes any difference in perceivable sensitivity at all.
Incheon Basser reply :
I'm sorry but i don't think it can match the Bucoo's in balance and lightness.... I have yet to find a stick for a 100 bucks that comes anywhere close... now if you jumped up 50$ in then yeah better stuff... but if you have ever fished a Bucoo you would be saying the same thing.... I like BPS rods when they are on sale there great rods for 40- 50 bucks... but why would you buy a BPS rod over 100$ when there are so many more options in the high end rod market....????
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteI'm sorry but i don't think it can match the Bucoo's in balance and lightness.... I have yet to find a stick for a 100 bucks that comes anywhere close... now if you jumped up 50$ in then yeah better stuff... but if you have ever fished a Bucoo you would be saying the same thing.... I like BPS rods when they are on sale there great rods for 40- 50 bucks... but why would you buy a BPS rod over 100$ when there are so many more options in the high end rod market....????
Ever fish with a J/M Elite? At full retail you can't find more rod per $$ even at $200.
Incheon Basser reply :
QuoteQuoteI'm sorry but i don't think it can match the Bucoo's in balance and lightness.... I have yet to find a stick for a 100 bucks that comes anywhere close... now if you jumped up 50$ in then yeah better stuff... but if you have ever fished a Bucoo you would be saying the same thing.... I like BPS rods when they are on sale there great rods for 40- 50 bucks... but why would you buy a BPS rod over 100$ when there are so many more options in the high end rod market....????Ever fish with a J/M Elite? At full retail you can't find more rod per $$ even at $200.
UH I think if i was going to spend 200 on a rod i would buy a Shimano Cumara way before i ever thought about a jm elite... sic guides lifetime warranty, and super hard to beat at any price point... no if the jm elite went on sale for like 100 bucks i would think about it...
MarauderYak reply :
Said this in another thread, but I fished with one of these a few months ago when it was in the prototype/testing phase. I was very impressed. If the production rods are as nice I'll be getting a couple.
When it comes to far exceeding current technology, I'm guessing the engineer(s) were some advanced life form using their intergalactic spacecraft design degree to advance the sport of fishing 
Alan Shelton reply :
How good are these rods compared to the Shimano Cumara Rods?
-nick- reply :
QuoteHow good are these rods compared to the Shimano Cumara Rods?
You can't really compare a 100 dollar rod to a 200 dollar rod.
They do look pretty sweet though.
Grey Wolf reply :
QuoteHow good are these rods compared to the Shimano Cumara Rods?
It's hard to compare two differant rods in totally differant price ranges.
Primus reply :
QuoteI think I'm in the minority on this one....After buying into the whole split grip, no front grip "look" last winter.......
I'm sick of the no front/split grip look. Everyone is trying to look the same, and it's already old IMO. You should be able to build a light rod and KEEP a real handle.
The new swept handle trend in reels I really like though.
I'm with you on a real cork handle, very comfortable for my hands and my Loomis rods are still very light and sensitive.
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sorry but i don't think it can match the Bucoo's in balance and lightness.... I have yet to find a stick for a 100 bucks that comes anywhere close... now if you jumped up 50$ in then yeah better stuff... but if you have ever fished a Bucoo you would be saying the same thing.... I like BPS rods when they are on sale there great rods for 40- 50 bucks... but why would you buy a BPS rod over 100$ when there are so many more options in the high end rod market....????Ever fish with a J/M Elite? At full retail you can't find more rod per $$ even at $200.
UH I think if i was going to spend 200 on a rod i would buy a Shimano Cumara way before i ever thought about a jm elite... sic guides lifetime warranty, and super hard to beat at any price point... no if the jm elite went on sale for like 100 bucks i would think about it...
So you have not fished with one I take it?
Boogey Man reply :
There was a Carbon Lite baitcaster on their site a couple of days ago but now it's gone.
Goose52 reply :
QuoteThere was a Carbon Lite baitcaster on their site a couple of days ago but now it's gone.
And, they had Carbonlite rod/reel combos listed as well. I got a $20 off on an order over $100 coupon from BPS and was just about to order one of the combos as my Christmas present to myself but by then both the combos and reels disappeared from their web site. Drats - between the combo price and the coupon I would have come in about $60 under the individual list prices. The reels were initially listed as "limited stock" and they probably sold out in the first day so they took the combos off as well...
Now, will probably have to wait until the annual Spring sale to get an equivalent deal.
Fat-G reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sorry but i don't think it can match the Bucoo's in balance and lightness.... I have yet to find a stick for a 100 bucks that comes anywhere close... now if you jumped up 50$ in then yeah better stuff... but if you have ever fished a Bucoo you would be saying the same thing.... I like BPS rods when they are on sale there great rods for 40- 50 bucks... but why would you buy a BPS rod over 100$ when there are so many more options in the high end rod market....????Ever fish with a J/M Elite? At full retail you can't find more rod per $$ even at $200.
UH I think if i was going to spend 200 on a rod i would buy a Shimano Cumara way before i ever thought about a jm elite... sic guides lifetime warranty, and super hard to beat at any price point... no if the jm elite went on sale for like 100 bucks i would think about it...
So you have not fished with one I take it?
If it's so great, why do you want to sell it?
Just a thought.
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sorry but i don't think it can match the Bucoo's in balance and lightness.... I have yet to find a stick for a 100 bucks that comes anywhere close... now if you jumped up 50$ in then yeah better stuff... but if you have ever fished a Bucoo you would be saying the same thing.... I like BPS rods when they are on sale there great rods for 40- 50 bucks... but why would you buy a BPS rod over 100$ when there are so many more options in the high end rod market....????Ever fish with a J/M Elite? At full retail you can't find more rod per $$ even at $200.
UH I think if i was going to spend 200 on a rod i would buy a Shimano Cumara way before i ever thought about a jm elite... sic guides lifetime warranty, and super hard to beat at any price point... no if the jm elite went on sale for like 100 bucks i would think about it...
So you have not fished with one I take it?
If it's so great, why do you want to sell it?
Just a thought.
Because I got a good deal on a rod whose length matched what I wanted better. And I already had one of the same brand. Selling this one would enable me to buy another of the same brand, to help build an arsenal with the same feel......By being the same brand.
Fat-G reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sorry but i don't think it can match the Bucoo's in balance and lightness.... I have yet to find a stick for a 100 bucks that comes anywhere close... now if you jumped up 50$ in then yeah better stuff... but if you have ever fished a Bucoo you would be saying the same thing.... I like BPS rods when they are on sale there great rods for 40- 50 bucks... but why would you buy a BPS rod over 100$ when there are so many more options in the high end rod market....????Ever fish with a J/M Elite? At full retail you can't find more rod per $$ even at $200.
UH I think if i was going to spend 200 on a rod i would buy a Shimano Cumara way before i ever thought about a jm elite... sic guides lifetime warranty, and super hard to beat at any price point... no if the jm elite went on sale for like 100 bucks i would think about it...
So you have not fished with one I take it?
If it's so great, why do you want to sell it?
Just a thought.
Because I got a good deal on a rod whose length matched what I wanted better. And I already had one of the same brand. Selling this one would enable me to buy another of the same brand, to help build an arsenal with the same feel......By being the same brand.
Gotcha. I'm doing that with Compre's
dodgeguy reply :
QuoteQuoteI think I'm in the minority on this one....After buying into the whole split grip, no front grip "look" last winter.......
I'm sick of the no front/split grip look. Everyone is trying to look the same, and it's already old IMO. You should be able to build a light rod and KEEP a real handle.
The new swept handle trend in reels I really like though.
There is more to it than weight reduction. The fact is, the more exposed blank you have, the better the rod will transmit vibration. That means a no front/split grip handled rod will be more sensitive than a traditional handled rod.
what a bunch of hooey!!!a good portugese cork handle with the blank through has just as good feel.split grips reduce butt weight there for causing the rod to be more tip heavy.
dodgeguy reply :
QuoteI'm sorry but i don't think it can match the Bucoo's in balance and lightness.... I have yet to find a stick for a 100 bucks that comes anywhere close... now if you jumped up 50$ in then yeah better stuff... but if you have ever fished a Bucoo you would be saying the same thing.... I like BPS rods when they are on sale there great rods for 40- 50 bucks... but why would you buy a BPS rod over 100$ when there are so many more options in the high end rod market....????
because the johnny morris signature serires and elites are some of the best rods made and come with fuji titanium frame sic guides or recoils.i've fished with them for years and have NEVER broken one.so i don't need a lifetime waranty even though i've heard if you return it to the store they replace it no questions asked.
Incheon Basser reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sorry but i don't think it can match the Bucoo's in balance and lightness.... I have yet to find a stick for a 100 bucks that comes anywhere close... now if you jumped up 50$ in then yeah better stuff... but if you have ever fished a Bucoo you would be saying the same thing.... I like BPS rods when they are on sale there great rods for 40- 50 bucks... but why would you buy a BPS rod over 100$ when there are so many more options in the high end rod market....????Ever fish with a J/M Elite? At full retail you can't find more rod per $$ even at $200.
UH I think if i was going to spend 200 on a rod i would buy a Shimano Cumara way before i ever thought about a jm elite... sic guides lifetime warranty, and super hard to beat at any price point... no if the jm elite went on sale for like 100 bucks i would think about it...
So you have not fished with one I take it?
No I have not due to the fact as i stated before. I would not spend 200$ on a BPS rod or reel... there are about 10 rods i would buy before i ever thought about it...but i have handled them and couldn't tell much difference from the PQ but no i have not fished them
Travis O reply :
Here is a link if anyone wants to look/buy. You cant get to them from the website but it will let you add it to your cart so I assume that means you can order it.
http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_10205012____SearchResults
KYntucky Warmouth reply :
QuoteHere is a link if anyone wants to look/buy. You cant get to them from the website but it will let you add it to your cart so I assume that means you can order it.http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_10205012____SearchResults
went to BPS yesterday and asked about them. They said they had them but they weren't available for purchase yet. It says quantities are low on the site, I would imagine that if you attempted to purchase one, you would get a back order notice for a while.
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sorry but i don't think it can match the Bucoo's in balance and lightness.... I have yet to find a stick for a 100 bucks that comes anywhere close... now if you jumped up 50$ in then yeah better stuff... but if you have ever fished a Bucoo you would be saying the same thing.... I like BPS rods when they are on sale there great rods for 40- 50 bucks... but why would you buy a BPS rod over 100$ when there are so many more options in the high end rod market....????Ever fish with a J/M Elite? At full retail you can't find more rod per $$ even at $200.
UH I think if i was going to spend 200 on a rod i would buy a Shimano Cumara way before i ever thought about a jm elite... sic guides lifetime warranty, and super hard to beat at any price point... no if the jm elite went on sale for like 100 bucks i would think about it...
So you have not fished with one I take it?
No I have not due to the fact as i stated before. I would not spend 200$ on a BPS rod or reel... there are about 10 rods i would buy before i ever thought about it...but i have handled them and couldn't tell much difference from the PQ but no i have not fished them
There isn't a rod at that price point better. Not to be a jerk but if you couldn't notice any difference between the PQ and the Elite, I'll have to ignore you opinion on this one.
The Elite is 'Clearly' more sensitive and much lighter just from an in store inspection.
Jake. reply :
QuoteThere isn't a rod at that price point better.
Which rods at the $200 price point have you fished other than the BPS Elite?
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteQuoteThere isn't a rod at that price point better.Which rods at the $200 price point have you fished other than the BPS Elite?
Kistler Helium, Carrot Stix Gold, and G Loomis.
Only ones I fish regularly of those are Loomis. The other two were for a hour or so to check them out when friends had them.
The Mossyback Loomis 7'1 MH jig rod I have weighs more by a good deal than the 7'6 MH Elite that I have. The 7'6 Elite is also MUCH better balanced.
Loomis rod sells for $45 more.
Jake. reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteThere isn't a rod at that price point better.Which rods at the $200 price point have you fished other than the BPS Elite?
Kistler Helium, Carrot Stix Gold, and G Loomis.
Only ones I fish regularly of those are Loomis. The other two were for a hour or so to check them out when friends had them.
The Mossyback Loomis 7'1 MH jig rod I have weighs more by a good deal than the 7'6 MH Elite that I have. The 7'6 Elite is also MUCH better balanced.
Loomis rod sells for $45 more.
There are several more brands and models at the $200 point that you haven't fished. Do you just "know" that the BPS Elite is better than all of them?
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThere isn't a rod at that price point better.Which rods at the $200 price point have you fished other than the BPS Elite?
Kistler Helium, Carrot Stix Gold, and G Loomis.
Only ones I fish regularly of those are Loomis. The other two were for a hour or so to check them out when friends had them.
The Mossyback Loomis 7'1 MH jig rod I have weighs more by a good deal than the 7'6 MH Elite that I have. The 7'6 Elite is also MUCH better balanced.
Loomis rod sells for $45 more.
There are several more brands and models at the $200 point that you haven't fished. Do you just "know" that the BPS Elite is better than all of them?
Yes.
Glenn reply :
That's a troll if I ever saw one.
C'mon man. Be real.
If you like a particular type/brand of something, then please say so and state why. But to do so in the context of knocking the competition doesn't provide much info nor credibility.
I encourage you to speak about the positive experiences and attributes of the things you like. But please refrain from painting competing brands in a negative light. That's a drag, and only upsets people, not help them.
Incheon Basser reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sorry but i don't think it can match the Bucoo's in balance and lightness.... I have yet to find a stick for a 100 bucks that comes anywhere close... now if you jumped up 50$ in then yeah better stuff... but if you have ever fished a Bucoo you would be saying the same thing.... I like BPS rods when they are on sale there great rods for 40- 50 bucks... but why would you buy a BPS rod over 100$ when there are so many more options in the high end rod market....????Ever fish with a J/M Elite? At full retail you can't find more rod per $$ even at $200.
UH I think if i was going to spend 200 on a rod i would buy a Shimano Cumara way before i ever thought about a jm elite... sic guides lifetime warranty, and super hard to beat at any price point... no if the jm elite went on sale for like 100 bucks i would think about it...
So you have not fished with one I take it?
No I have not due to the fact as i stated before. I would not spend 200$ on a BPS rod or reel... there are about 10 rods i would buy before i ever thought about it...but i have handled them and couldn't tell much difference from the PQ but no i have not fished them
There isn't a rod at that price point better. Not to be a jerk but if you couldn't notice any difference between the PQ and the Elite, I'll have to ignore you opinion on this one.
The Elite is 'Clearly' more sensitive and much lighter just from an in store inspection.
here is a review from some stranger off of the bass pro web site... oh and sorry i didn't know you where a fishing rod expert who can throw out others thoughts like yesterdays trash..Best Rod I've Owned, August 26, 2009
By CrackCorn17 from Oklahoma City (read all my reviews)
Reviewer Images
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Advantages:
Ease of use, Performs well, Quality, Style/Design
"I just purchased this rod after having my Johnnie Morrie Elite Series rod snap in half on me. I absolutely love this rod. It is a lot more sensitive than my old rod and i love the fact that it has a split grip on it. It took me a little while to get used to it because i had never messed with a rod like it but once i got used to it i love it. I also love that when u hold the rod ur hand is on the blank which makes it veryy sensitive. It is a little pricey but i definetely think its worth the money."
What is your favorite type of fishing?: Freshwater
How many times a month do you fish on average?: 5+
Do you own a boat?: No
Would you recommend this product as a gift?: Yes
SWMIBASSER reply :
Actually friend, you are the one automatically discounting a great rod because of the brand it is. Based on zero prior experience with that rod.
Have I fished all 200 dollar rods? No. But I have fished the Elite, and a few others.
Yet your more qualified to trash "any bass pro rod over 100 dollars" even though you have never used the rod.
As for any review....You should know without anyone having to point it out that one or even a few reviews are meaningless. Overall trends in reviews are where meaningful info is gathered.
Glenn reply :
Well guys, if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all. Personally, I don't give a rip who's "more qualified" than the other, or who's "right" or who's "wrong". I suspect it doesn't matter to anyone else either. So let's drop it and move on.
Thank you.
mctech reply :
i picked one up and looked at it the other day at bps.very light and felt pretty good. for a hundred bucks seemed very nice. matched with a pq reel bet it would be a good low budget outfit.
Fat-G reply :
Really guys? We all have our preferences. I personally have never fished a rod over $50, so I wouldn't know.
RWSCHMITZ reply :
VERY COOL ROD FOR THE $$$$$
Big Bait Fishing reply :
try this rod , i would buy it over a bps rod , actually if some one gave me either one or the other , i would take this okuma !! it has premium components , IM-8 blank , ACS reel seat , ALPS guides , cork split-grips and Okuma's life time warranty at only $90.00 it is a steal..........
fishntime reply :
Just got home from BPS, and have to say that this rod looks nice and very light but, it is very tip heavy. If this rod were to go on sale for say $59.99 I would buy one. Otherwise I would just buy another Bucoo at this price point. 8-)
Incheon Basser reply :
QuoteJust got home from BPS, and have to say that this rod looks nice and very light but, it is very tip heavy. If this rod were to go on sale for say $59.99 I would buy one. Otherwise I would just buy another Bucoo at this price point. 8-)
Careful... I said the same thing and got jumped on by some one for it....
Incheon Basser reply :
QuoteActually friend, you are the one automatically discounting a great rod because of the brand it is. Based on zero prior experience with that rod.Have I fished all 200 dollar rods? No. But I have fished the Elite, and a few others.
Yet your more qualified to trash "any bass pro rod over 100 dollars" even though you have never used the rod.
As for any review....You should know without anyone having to point it out that one or even a few reviews are meaningless. Overall trends in reviews are where meaningful info is gathered.
I didn't trash them... I said if i had 200 bucks to spend i would buy something else before i bought a BPS rod I never said they were trash....
awcGA reply :
I like rods from BPS and have owned several and never had a complaint with any of them. I always buy them when they are on sale and think I got a great deal. If the other rod companies would offer their rods 40 to 50% off a couple times during the year like BPS does I would try them out. I fish for relaxation and fun so I do not need the top of the line equipment.
Paul Roberts reply :
QuoteI like rods from BPS and have owned several and never had a complaint with any of them. I always buy them when they are on sale and think I got a great deal. If the other rod companies would offer their rods 40 to 50% off a couple times during the year like BPS does I would try them out. I fish for relaxation and fun so I do not need the top of the line equipment.
I don't own any BPS rods, but I've had rods from many makers and prices that I liked. There are so many good rods out there over a wide price range. But if I had $200 to spend (and have) I would be apt to choose a name rod. $200 is an investment in my mind. $40 is just a rod -and there are decent sticks out there at the low end.
xfire reply :
I held one the rods too but not my personal preference, I like extremes, I think whatever rod you can afford or like is the one you should buy and get out on the water because after all the rod doesn't catch the fish .
Georgia Jeff reply :
the new carbon lite rods seem very nice. I held one this weekend. They are very light, just a tad heavier than the Johnny Morris Elites. They are a little tip heavy due to the light weight split grips. The foam grips are not like the old spongy foam grips on cheap rods. It is super hard and almost rubbery feeling. I hate foam grips but wuoldn't hesitate to fish one of these.
As to the Johnny Morris argument above, one of the benefits of the JM elites is that you get recoil guides and a great blank for about $169 on sale whereas a Loomis with recoil guides runs about $350.
catchnm reply :
I would like to ask if there are any Vendetta owners who have also handled one of these new Carbonlite rods and could offer an objective comparison of the two?
Dan: reply :
The grips are not foam, they are almost like golf club grips. The rods are surprisingly light but I can't say anything for the sensitivity.
Goose52 reply :
Interesting, just today BPS marked down (on-line) all of the Carbonlite Baitcasting and Spinning rods to $70 - regardless of length. Regular prices were $90-$120 - depending on length.
FWIW
Stasher1 reply :
I'm thinking that once people actually get a chance to use these rods for a while, they won't be quite as appealing as they seem online. Yes, they're light...but one of the reasons they're so light is the cheap guides they're using. They appear to be the same ones used on $20 Berkley Cherrywoods, Lightning Rod, Carrot Stix, and a few of BPS's cheaper rods like the Micro Lite.
Imho, a $100 rod ought to be sporting Hardloys, at least.
L a r r y reply :
QuoteInteresting, just today BPS marked down (on-line) all of the Carbonlite Baitcasting and Spinning rods to $70 - regardless of length. Regular prices were $90-$120 - depending on length.FWIW
whooaaaaaaaa I wonder why they marked them down? Was sales not what they expected, or did they an over abundance of rods produced? I think I might pick one up for this price, this could be my swimbait rod in a 7' H x-fast.....That wouldn't be a bad buy IMHO
Dan: reply :
QuoteI'm thinking that once people actually get a chance to use these rods for a while, they won't be quite as appealing as they seem online. Yes, they're light...but one of the reasons they're so light is the cheap guides they're using. They appear to be the same ones used on $20 Berkley Cherrywoods, Lightning Rod, Carrot Stix, and a few of BPS's cheaper rods like the Micro Lite.Imho, a $100 rod ought to be sporting Hardloys, at least.
Agreed. That was my thought when I felt them in store.
Goose52 reply :
QuoteQuoteInteresting, just today BPS marked down (on-line) all of the Carbonlite Baitcasting and Spinning rods to $70 - regardless of length. Regular prices were $90-$120 - depending on length.FWIWwhooaaaaaaaa I wonder why they marked them down? Was sales not what they expected, or did they an over abundance of rods produced? I think I might pick one up for this price, this could be my swimbait rod in a 7' H x-fast.....That wouldn't be a bad buy IMHO
I was wondering about the same things - low sales or just overstock???
OTOH, they had a hard time keeping the Carbonlite baitcasting reel in-stock and went out-of-stock 3 or 4 times on-line until getting caught up. The rods were always in-stock all that time...
I'm always a "value" shopper and IMO the higher-end BPS reels have features and price-points unmatched by the "name" brands and are a good value at regular price and a great value when on-sale. The BPS rods are often a good value when on sale...but at their regular price points there are lots of competitors. (I did stock up on the 2009 model Extreme rods when they were on clearance for $57 though 8-) A great value at that price...)
MarauderYak reply :
QuoteI'm thinking that once people actually get a chance to use these rods for a while, they won't be quite as appealing as they seem online. Yes, they're light...but one of the reasons they're so light is the cheap guides they're using. They appear to be the same ones used on $20 Berkley Cherrywoods, Lightning Rod, Carrot Stix, and a few of BPS's cheaper rods like the Micro Lite.Imho, a $100 rod ought to be sporting Hardloys, at least.
Actually the guides on those CarbonLite rods are pretty expensive. The reason you see so many mid/upper end rods moving away from Fuji guides is not because of expense, it's because of availability. Fuji requires orders WAY in advance, and is notoriously difficult to work with.
MarauderYak reply :
QuoteInteresting, just today BPS marked down (on-line) all of the Carbonlite Baitcasting and Spinning rods to $70 - regardless of length. Regular prices were $90-$120 - depending on length.FWIW
Just checked, and that pricing was just a mistake. If you want a higher priced one, better get it fast. They are supposed to be on sale for $20 off.
Darren. reply :
I have been checking out these rods every time I go to BPS. I had a chance to compare the 6'6" M (all spinning rods, fwiw) with a 6'6" M Vendetta, Mojo, Carrot Stix, and a couple more - the CarbonLite is like a feather at the tip whereas the Vendetta and Mojo were quite tip-heavy by comparison; felt quite similar to the Carrot Stix.
A BPS guy was cool enough to let me compare a couple rods with my spinning reel of choice (Shimano Spirex 2500 FG) and boy was the CarbonLite awesome.
I need to change that to present tense - since the "introductory special" price drop, I jumped on the 6'6" M. Took it out on the water today (dock), and though I didn't catch anything, I did get a good couple of hits from some small fish hitting a tiny tube. The feel was fantastic. Bottom jigging, shakey head worming, etc., was excellent. I could feel everything. Was just a tough bite today.
I did have a Berkely Lightning Shock in M power prior to this, but couldn't shake an unsettled feeling I had with the Shock so I returned it and waited until the CL went on sale.
Feel is better than the Shock, by a fairly large factor, IMHO.
Sorry I cannot compare it to Fenwick, Loomis, Cumaras, etc. Way out of my price league. :-/ (other than in-store comparisons).
The guides are very quiet with PowerPro, too. And like MarauderYak said, the guides are not cheapies, they are PAC Bay stainless with titanium carbide inserts.
A big thumbs up so far. Anticipate good things from this rod this season! 8-)
Stasher1 reply :
QuoteQuoteI'm thinking that once people actually get a chance to use these rods for a while, they won't be quite as appealing as they seem online. Yes, they're light...but one of the reasons they're so light is the cheap guides they're using. They appear to be the same ones used on $20 Berkley Cherrywoods, Lightning Rod, Carrot Stix, and a few of BPS's cheaper rods like the Micro Lite.Imho, a $100 rod ought to be sporting Hardloys, at least.
Actually the guides on those CarbonLite rods are pretty expensive. The reason you see so many mid/upper end rods moving away from Fuji guides is not because of expense, it's because of availability. Fuji requires orders WAY in advance, and is notoriously difficult to work with.
They can slap whatever price tag on them they choose. From a manufacturing standpoint, they're just stamped stainless guides with a roll-formed, plated metal insert. Nothing special, and far from high-end. The PVD coating adds to the cost, but is most likely necessary to keep the insert from grooving for the duration of the rod's one-year warranty...although that may fall under "normal wear and tear".
I'll go on record now, and predict that these guides fare no better than the ones currently in use on the Carrot Stix.
MarauderYak reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm thinking that once people actually get a chance to use these rods for a while, they won't be quite as appealing as they seem online. Yes, they're light...but one of the reasons they're so light is the cheap guides they're using. They appear to be the same ones used on $20 Berkley Cherrywoods, Lightning Rod, Carrot Stix, and a few of BPS's cheaper rods like the Micro Lite.Imho, a $100 rod ought to be sporting Hardloys, at least.
Actually the guides on those CarbonLite rods are pretty expensive. The reason you see so many mid/upper end rods moving away from Fuji guides is not because of expense, it's because of availability. Fuji requires orders WAY in advance, and is notoriously difficult to work with.
They can slap whatever price tag on them they choose. From a manufacturing standpoint, they're just stamped stainless guides with a roll-formed, plated metal insert. Nothing special, and far from high-end. The PVD coating adds to the cost, but is most likely necessary to keep the insert from grooving for the duration of the rod's one-year warranty...although that may fall under "normal wear and tear".
I'll go on record now, and predict that these guides fare no better than the ones currently in use on the Carrot Stix.
You seem to be pretty sure. I'd be willing to bet you $100 if you actually are that sure. Of course you should know I've already seen 3rd party testing results for a bunch of rods (including these and original Carrot Stix) where extensive strength tests & durability tests were conducted.
I also know that Stacey King has been using CarbonLite rods for almost a year, and has had no issues despite being very rough on them.
And the inserts on original Carrot Stix are chrome plated steel. The inserts on CarbonLites are PVD coated titanium-carbide.
PM me to work out the details of the bet.
Bronzefly reply :
I actually held some of these in hand at the BPS the other day. For the sale price of around $70, they seem like they have some potential. They were light, have the sexy look that is so popular now, and felt like they might have some potential.
steezy reply :
Just checked the BPS website and that $69 price is gone on most of them, only the 6'6" are still at the low price. Should have grabbed one of those 7'6" heavy xfast for 2oz swimbaits for $69, now its $99.
Paul Roberts reply :
QuoteI have been checking out these rods every time I go to BPS. I had a chance to compare the 6'6" M (all spinning rods, fwiw) with a 6'6" M Vendetta, Mojo, Carrot Stix, and a couple more - the CarbonLite is like a feather at the tip whereas the Vendetta and Mojo were quite tip-heavy by comparison; felt quite similar to the Carrot Stix.A BPS guy was cool enough to let me compare a couple rods with my spinning reel of choice (Shimano Spirex 2500 FG) and boy was the CarbonLite awesome.
I need to change that to present tense - since the "introductory special" price drop, I jumped on the 6'6" M. Took it out on the water today (dock), and though I didn't catch anything, I did get a good couple of hits from some small fish hitting a tiny tube. The feel was fantastic. Bottom jigging, shakey head worming, etc., was excellent. I could feel everything. Was just a tough bite today.
I did have a Berkely Lightning Shock in M power prior to this, but couldn't shake an unsettled feeling I had with the Shock so I returned it and waited until the CL went on sale.
Feel is better than the Shock, by a fairly large factor, IMHO.
Sorry I cannot compare it to Fenwick, Loomis, Cumaras, etc. Way out of my price league. :-/ (other than in-store comparisons).
The guides are very quiet with PowerPro, too. And like MarauderYak said, the guides are not cheapies, they are PAC Bay stainless with titanium carbide inserts.
A big thumbs up so far. Anticipate good things from this rod this season! 8-)
Thanks for the preliminary review.
As to the guide quality, a tip-top -the main issue- is a nearly instantaneous replacement.
Love to see rod technology progress and prices drop (not that this is the case here -who knows, yet).
I bit, and bought one at the sale price. First thing I'll do is put it on a scale. Is it really lighter, or just butt weighted?
Curious: For those of you who have one, where is the balance point (sans reel)?
RoLo reply :
As most know, I'm currently in the market for a new rod, and the Carbonlite gives me one more option.
Although this may sound off-the-wall, the price-point of the Carbonlite tends to scare me off.
Throughout the years I've had the opportunity to fish with nearly all the rod brands out there (not all).
With regard to my replacement rod, I'm thinking seriously about several brands
such as St Croix, Daiwa, Okuma, Dobyns and yes, the Johnny Morris Elite (Kistler not).
The Okuma I now use is much more rod than I paid for.
My wife however, complains that the grip over time becomes uncomfortable for her.
I wouldn't even bring that up, but IMO Lois is a better judge of blank sensitivity and nuances than myself.
Incidentally, her favorite rod of all is the Johnny Morris Elite, and I've bought her rods worth twice the price.
Roger
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteAs most know, I'm currently in the market for a new rod, and the Carbonlite gives me one more option.
Although this may sound off-the-wall, the price-point of the Carbonlite tends to scare me off.
Throughout the years I've had the opportunity to fish with nearly all the rod brands out there (not all).
With regard to my replacement rod, I'm thinking seriously about several brands
such as St Croix, Daiwa, Okuma, Dobyns and yes, the Johnny Morris Elite (Kistler not).
The Okuma I now use is much more rod than I paid for.
My wife however, complains that the grip over time becomes uncomfortable for her.
I wouldn't even bring that up, but IMO Lois is a better judge of blank sensitivity and nuances than myself.
Incidentally, her favorite rod of all is the Johnny Morris Elite, and I've bought her rods worth twice the price.
Roger
I really like the J/M Elite rods also. The longer rods could use a shorter handle IMO though.
Another rod to look at is Rogue. GREAT rods. And you can add recoil guides to any of their rods for an extra $30. I've had one a couple years now, and want to get another.
Paul Roberts reply :
QuoteAs most know, I'm currently in the market for a new rod, and the Carbonlite gives me one more option.
Although this may sound off-the-wall, the price-point of the Carbonlite tends to scare me off.
Roger
Me too -or should have. But I've been made a sucker before. Seems there are A LOT of rods to choose from. Would like to have them all lined up next to a pool ready for testing.
Roger, what Okuma rod is it you like so much?
RoLo reply :
QuoteQuoteAs most know, I'm currently in the market for a new rod, and the Carbonlite gives me one more option.
Although this may sound off-the-wall, the price-point of the Carbonlite tends to scare me off.
Roger
Me too -or should have. But I've been made a sucker before. Seems there are A LOT of rods to choose from. Would like to have them all lined up next to a pool ready for testing.
Roger, what Okuma rod is it you like so much?
The lime-green bookends are both Okuma Concept C3 spinning rods [ C3-S-661MH ]
Lure Wgt: 1/4 to 1 oz <> Line Wgt: 10 to 20 lb <> 6' 6 (1-pce) <> Action: Fast <> $150
Titanium Guide Frames Zirconium Inserts <> Fuji Reel Seat (ported) <> Carbon Grips (no cork)
Paul, I'm not excited about my Kistler Helium ll LTX (in center), and certainly do not recommend
those Daiwa Advantage reels. I had the Daiwa reel apart and was pretty disappointed.
For instance, a looong bail-spring is used to forestall crystallization (work-hardening),
but the bail does not close completely every time, which is totally unacceptable.
Shimano has me over a barrel, I'm sticking with the posse
Roger
Paul Roberts reply :
Thanks, Roger.
Sorry to hear about your Loomis.
Stasher1 reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm thinking that once people actually get a chance to use these rods for a while, they won't be quite as appealing as they seem online. Yes, they're light...but one of the reasons they're so light is the cheap guides they're using. They appear to be the same ones used on $20 Berkley Cherrywoods, Lightning Rod, Carrot Stix, and a few of BPS's cheaper rods like the Micro Lite.Imho, a $100 rod ought to be sporting Hardloys, at least.
Actually the guides on those CarbonLite rods are pretty expensive. The reason you see so many mid/upper end rods moving away from Fuji guides is not because of expense, it's because of availability. Fuji requires orders WAY in advance, and is notoriously difficult to work with.
They can slap whatever price tag on them they choose. From a manufacturing standpoint, they're just stamped stainless guides with a roll-formed, plated metal insert. Nothing special, and far from high-end. The PVD coating adds to the cost, but is most likely necessary to keep the insert from grooving for the duration of the rod's one-year warranty...although that may fall under "normal wear and tear".
I'll go on record now, and predict that these guides fare no better than the ones currently in use on the Carrot Stix.
You seem to be pretty sure. I'd be willing to bet you $100 if you actually are that sure. Of course you should know I've already seen 3rd party testing results for a bunch of rods (including these and original Carrot Stix) where extensive strength tests & durability tests were conducted.
I also know that Stacey King has been using CarbonLite rods for almost a year, and has had no issues despite being very rough on them.
And the inserts on original Carrot Stix are chrome plated steel. The inserts on CarbonLites are PVD coated titanium-carbide.
PM me to work out the details of the bet.
If I wanted to wager $100 on the longevity of the guides, I would just buy a Carbonlite rod and use it for a season. I honestly don't care enough to bother. I have no interest in the Carbonlite rods, and definitely no interest in the PacBay guides it's currently sporting.
I offered an opinion on the rods and guides in question, and made a prediction. If that somehow offends you, I honestly don't care. You're free to offer contrary prediction, if you'd like. Welcome to America.
MarauderYak reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm thinking that once people actually get a chance to use these rods for a while, they won't be quite as appealing as they seem online. Yes, they're light...but one of the reasons they're so light is the cheap guides they're using. They appear to be the same ones used on $20 Berkley Cherrywoods, Lightning Rod, Carrot Stix, and a few of BPS's cheaper rods like the Micro Lite.Imho, a $100 rod ought to be sporting Hardloys, at least.
Actually the guides on those CarbonLite rods are pretty expensive. The reason you see so many mid/upper end rods moving away from Fuji guides is not because of expense, it's because of availability. Fuji requires orders WAY in advance, and is notoriously difficult to work with.
They can slap whatever price tag on them they choose. From a manufacturing standpoint, they're just stamped stainless guides with a roll-formed, plated metal insert. Nothing special, and far from high-end. The PVD coating adds to the cost, but is most likely necessary to keep the insert from grooving for the duration of the rod's one-year warranty...although that may fall under "normal wear and tear".
I'll go on record now, and predict that these guides fare no better than the ones currently in use on the Carrot Stix.
You seem to be pretty sure. I'd be willing to bet you $100 if you actually are that sure. Of course you should know I've already seen 3rd party testing results for a bunch of rods (including these and original Carrot Stix) where extensive strength tests & durability tests were conducted.
I also know that Stacey King has been using CarbonLite rods for almost a year, and has had no issues despite being very rough on them.
And the inserts on original Carrot Stix are chrome plated steel. The inserts on CarbonLites are PVD coated titanium-carbide.
PM me to work out the details of the bet.
If I wanted to wager $100 on the longevity of the guides, I would just buy a Carbonlite rod and use it for a season. I honestly don't care enough to bother. I have no interest in the Carbonlite rods, and definitely no interest in the PacBay guides it's currently sporting.
I offered an opinion on the rods and guides in question, and made a prediction. If that somehow offends you, I honestly don't care. You're free to offer contrary prediction, if you'd like. Welcome to America.
I'm not offended, or upset. But you were telling people how guides are made & what their quality is when you don't know what you're talking about. And I'm sure you've not used a rod with these guides in the past because they are brand new. Misleading people as if you have actual knowledge of an item is NOT the same as offering your opinion.
As far as your prediction... you seemed extremely sure about it, so I thought maybe you'd like to profit from your forecasting abilities.
Paul Roberts reply :
I received my Carbonlite today, and put it on a scale.
It's a 6-6 M casting.
And the weight is: : : : : : : :
4.0 ozs.
Not bad! It is not butt heavy, balancing several inches above the fore-grip. No measurements taken there, but I'm busy right now.
Later, if anyone's interested, (or not LOL) I'll get a balance pt measure and tip diameter (a good indicator of MOE). It's not a thick tip, I can say that.
It appears appropriately rated at M power, fast (maybe XF), 1/4-5/8.
RoLo reply :
QuoteI received my Carbonlite today, and put it on a scale.It's a 6-6 M casting.
And the weight is: :
4.0 ozs.
Nice drum roll :
I must say, for the price that's amazing levity!
Roger
Goose52 reply :
QuoteI received my Carbonlite today, and put it on a scale.It's a 6-6 M casting.
4.0 ozs.
That's pretty light. For comparison, my GLoomis GLX MBR842C (a 7' mf rod) weighs 125 grams = 4.4 oz. A 6-6 GLX might go under 4 oz, but probably not by much. Sensitivity is another issue of course, but when it comes to weight alone - the BPS rod is.... light !
Paul Roberts reply :
QuoteQuoteI received my Carbonlite today, and put it on a scale.It's a 6-6 M casting.
4.0 ozs.
That's pretty light. For comparison, my GLoomis GLX MBR842C (a 7' mf rod) weighs 125 grams = 4.4 oz. A 6-6 GLX might go under 4 oz, but probably not by much. Sensitivity is another issue of course, but when it comes to weight alone - the BPS rod is.... light !
OK, I re-weighed the rods -with glasses on lol, and being careful to weigh it exactly at the balance point.
I have two BPS Carbonlites:
6-6 M, fast, spinning = 3.9oz.
6-6M, fast casting = 4.1oz.
I weighed my other rods too, and will start another thread (on rod senstivity), and see if others will add their rod weights too. I'm really curious what other rods weigh.
Oh yes, this was done on a postal scale, which I'm going to have to check calibration on. Will follow up tomorrow -again : .
Goose52 reply :
QuoteI weighed my other rods too, and will start another thread (on rod senstivity), and see if others will add their rod weights too. I'm really curious what other rods weigh.Oh yes, this was done on a postal scale, which I'm going to have to check calibration on. Will follow up tomorrow -again :
It would be an interesting thread. Not sure how well some postal scales resolve under an ounce though so you could have some variance in reports depending on the type and quality of the folks scales. I weigh on an (ammunition) handloading scale - reads to .01 gram (.01 gram = 0.0003527396 ounce). I have calibration weight sets so I can verify the calibration of the scale. Perhaps some of the folks are also handloaders and have access to similar scales.
Paul Roberts reply :
I don't reload, and the postal scale is really only good for comparisons on that scale. I actually don't have accurate calibration weights either, so until I come up with something I guess the weights offered are as good as I'm going to have for now.
Goose52 reply :
Who can feel .1oz plus or minus anyway Regardless of the EXACT weight, you could put something like the new BPS Carbonlite reel on your casting rod and still be under 12 oz spooled up with line - not bad at all!
Paul Roberts reply :
Just following up on the Carbonlite's.
I was at BPS today looking to exchange the 6-6M trigger I have with a 7MH, but found the MHs to be a tad cumbersome. Good rod -maybe best in its price point. A guy looking at them too mentioned the guides. I said, "The tip-top would be the issue, and fixing that is just a flick of a Bic."
At RoLo's suggestion I looked at the Johnny Morris rods and found them lighter than the CL. My response to the CL was, "Well, I'd fish with it." The JM, I said, "Whoa. Now that's more like it."
I ended up finding a Browning Midas (85mil PSI) marked down from $170 to 95. Never would have thought to look at them but a nice young salesman showed it to me -he too was coveting it. Have to say, a very nice rod! Akin or maybe nicer than the JM. Concept spaced SIC's too.
I really liked the CL in M action. The fact that they appear to have had to build them up a bit to get to MH at 7ft, tells me they are not quite comparable to the JM, or apparently, the Browning Midas.
Disclaimer: This is my "in the store" assessment. Would have loved to put 'em all on a scale. In the CLs favor it did feel a tad stronger in action than the JM and Midas. Tough to judge really though.
On my postal scale at home the 6-10 MH Midas weighed in at 4.9oz.
Goose52 reply :
QuoteJust following up on the Carbonlite's.I was at BPS today looking to exchange the 6-6M trigger I have with a 7MH, but found the MHs to be a tad cumbersome. Good rod -maybe best in its price point. A guy looking at them too mentioned the guides. I said, "The tip-top would be the issue, and fixing that is just a flick of a Bic."
At RoLo's suggestion I looked at the Johnny Morris rods and found them lighter than the CL. My response to the CL was, "Well, I'd fish with it." The JM, I said, "Whoa. Now that's more like it."
I ended up finding a Browning Midas (85mil PSI) marked down from $170 to 95. Never would have thought to look at them but a nice young salesman showed it to me -he too was coveting it. Have to say, a very nice rod! Akin or maybe nicer than the JM. Concept spaced SIC's too.
I really liked the CL in M action. The fact that they appear to have had to build them up a bit to get to MH at 7ft, tells me they are not quite comparable to the JM, or apparently, the Browning Midas.
Disclaimer: This is my "in the store" assessment. Would have loved to put 'em all on a scale. In the CLs favor it did feel a tad stronger in action than the JM and Midas. Tough to judge really though.
On my postal scale at home the 6-10 MH Midas weighed in at 4.9oz.
Pretty light. The only 7' MH that I have is a BPS Bionic Blade and it weighs 170 grams = 6.0oz.
Anyway, the Carbonlites are indeed light and were temporarily at a great price - but at their full retail price I think there is quite a bit of competition...
Paul Roberts reply :
At their full price, I think the CLs are better than the Mojo, Vedettta (sharp-looking though) and some others I've looked at.
For another comparison, I have a new Series One I bought on clearance a couple months ago. It's a 6-6MH casting but is pushing into the H range IMO -rated to 1-1/2oz. It weighs 5.4oz -this with those stainless guides. It's heavily built up so it appears to be made for durability. It's a perfectly fish-able rod, but I can't help but see it as a 'glorified LightningRod'.
Team9nine reply :
QuoteQuoteI weighed my other rods too, and will start another thread (on rod senstivity), and see if others will add their rod weights too. I'm really curious what other rods weigh.Oh yes, this was done on a postal scale, which I'm going to have to check calibration on. Will follow up tomorrow -again :
It would be an interesting thread. Not sure how well some postal scales resolve under an ounce though so you could have some variance in reports depending on the type and quality of the folks scales. I weigh on an (ammunition) handloading scale - reads to .01 gram (.01 gram = 0.0003527396 ounce). I have calibration weight sets so I can verify the calibration of the scale. Perhaps some of the folks are also handloaders and have access to similar scales.
Haven't seen any new thread started for rod weights yet, but you know I keep that type info handy A mix of many 'old skool' rods thrown in:
Avid 3S60MLF (custom) 3.04 ounces
St. Croix AS66MHF 4.00
Loomis IMX MBR783C 4.32
St. Croix PS66MLF 4.32
St. Croix PS66MF 4.32
Loomis SBR812 6'9" 4.80
6'10" Allstar SJ2 5.12
Galyan's BGN 2212N 6'6" MH 5.28
Galyan's BGN 2212N 7'0" MH 5.44
G. Roach Lightning LPC610M 5.76
Brauer TD Flipping 7'6" 6.24
Galyan's 6'6" MH ("balanced") 6.56
Paul Roberts reply :
Thanks, Brian.
After I dig myself out of some work I'll do it. Maybe others will join in.
-nick- reply :
I got to hold the carbonlite yesterday and it's a lot nicer in person. I imagined those grips to be uncomfortable but felt rather nice in my hand. I also held that new Rick Clunn rod and it was a little heavy and that grip is weird but it seems to have a great balance point. Maybe it was just the one I picked up but it felt pretty good in my hands.
Paul Roberts reply :
I thought the Carbonlite didn't look so great in the catalog. But I like them in hand -and I tend to like the high tech split-grip look.
small_limit reply :
I bought one of the ML spinning rods last week when they were on sale for $80. I took it out fishing yesterday and like the way it fishes. I'm not crazy about the reel seat though. I think for me, I'll need to get something to fill out the top of the reel seat. But otherwise, seems like a pretty good little rod for shakey head and dropshotting.
backpain... reply :
I wonder how these would compare to Kistlers carbonsteel series of blanks. They use the pac bay reel seats and guides as well.
I have a vested interest in this subject as I am about to upgrade my rods this season from the berkley lightnings and am taking a close look at the BPS CL, Abu Vandetta, Mojo bass, and the Kistler CarbonSteel.
Are there any others in the ~$100 range I should also take a close look at?
steezy reply :
QuoteI wonder how these would compare to Kistlers carbonsteel series of blanks. They use the pac bay reel seats and guides as well.I have a vested interest in this subject as I am about to upgrade my rods this season from the berkley lightnings and am taking a close look at the BPS CL, Abu Vandetta, Mojo bass, and the Kistler CarbonSteel.
Are there any others in the ~$100 range I should also take a close look at?
The Kistler carbonsteel rods are nice looking rods and for $109 it looks like a good deal. I like the combination cork/foam grip.
Boogey Man reply :
QuoteI wonder how these would compare to Kistlers carbonsteel series of blanks. They use the pac bay reel seats and guides as well.I have a vested interest in this subject as I am about to upgrade my rods this season from the berkley lightnings and am taking a close look at the BPS CL, Abu Vandetta, Mojo bass, and the Kistler CarbonSteel.
Are there any others in the ~$100 range I should also take a close look at?
Falcon Bucoo and Shimano Compre.
rebeav reply :
Picked up a 7' MH Crucial from Gander $75 regular 150. I have recently purchased 2 IMX and this feels as good with out a reel on it. My first outing coming here soon so I'll see what they all are about. GANDER has a heckuva sale in Sherman, Tx. I popped in just to see about a spinning reel. They had several brands on sale 50% off. I ended up getting 2 a President & Supreme 1/2 $$$$$$$ instead of getting one Stratic.
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