Curado DC............Catastrophe? 2024
Chance_Taker4 reply :
I have seen since Thursday countless posts on social media and it seems to be spreading to YouTube a negative review of the first batch of Curado DC. The number one complain no matter how you tune it it always backlashes. So I went to my local authorized Shimano shop this morning to chat and found put that they received 12 in stock 10 are sold. Out of the 10, 6 have came back defective. Shop owner talked to Shimano and was told this is something that they are experiencing a lot. I have been at the shop for about 3 hours and we have been messing with one of the unsold reels and it is doing exactly what everyone is experiencing, the brakes aren't working. Now the other unsold reel works 100%. It looks like Shimano has run into a little hiccup possibly trying to rush out the new Curados.
BrianinMD reply :
I got mine and did some yard cast to see what it would do. It will cast great, a normal straight cast and no thumb until it lands, distance is very good. But I purposefully cast into something or try to skip across gravel like some where testing with no backlash and no luck there, explodes into a backlash.
Angry John reply :
I am addicted to daiwa but this is one reel that I wanted to try. I might still get one but will wait until the kinks are worked out. For some reason I love the sound of DC whine and my fishing partner has one that I just enjoy Listening to.
kenmitch reply :
The weak thumbed will be dissapointed it looks like. Thumb rules!
burrows reply :
Really “catastrophic” well any defective reels could be easily tracked by the shift and date they were produced most likely it was just one shift of poor quality control, unfortunately I’m sure a whole shift of product could easily be 20 pallets with each box holding anywhere from 6 to 8 reels.This is just my assumption but I wouldn’t call this a catastrophe little over the top of you ask me. I doubt this will be an issue.
BaitFinesse reply :
If there is a problem they will get it hammered out like the thumb bar fix on the regular K. This is why it is risky to early adopt.
On 8/5/2018 at 12:19 AM, BrianinMD said:I got mine and did some yard cast to see what it would do. It will cast great, a normal straight cast and no thumb until it lands, distance is very good. But I purposefully cast into something or try to skip across gravel like some where testing with no backlash and no luck there, explodes into a backlash.
Even on mode 4?
BrianinMD reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 2:05 AM, BaitFinesse said:If there is a problem they will get it hammered out like the thumb bar fix on the regular K. This is why it is risky to early adopt.
Even on mode 4?
well I played around a little more and figured it out....
I had the cast control knob just tight enough to keep the spool from moving back and forth. I tightened it up and found a sweet spot. In mode 4 it is slightly less distance than another MH similiar to the test rod (test was 6ft 6in, regular use rod is 7ft), switched mode to 1 and the distance is WAY longer. Best part is there was no backlash at all with no thumb at all. Switched it back to mode 4 and tried skipping down a gravel driveway, no thumb and no backlash. Only way I can get backlash is to literally smack it straight into the ground.....
burrows reply :
I used to work as a machine operator for a very big Company that produces products that are in many households across the nation although not a fishing company our main objective was to produce! Sometimes we got pushed we got fatigued there were machine brake downs their were problems with palletizer machines the QC workers were exhausted things definitely get overlooked. Imagine now in Malaysia where there hours are longer their breaks are less monitored, if at all imagine how much product their pumping out every shift ? I could see how factory defects can easily occur and Really this gos for all the major companies that are being pushed to produce as much product as humanly possible.
Again I wouldn’t call it catastrophic I would call it the norm hopefully things get sorted out.
CrankFate reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 1:01 AM, kenmitch said:The weak thumbed will be dissapointed it looks like. Thumb rules!
Thumb rules. The no backlash claims usually mean subpar casting distance and as soon as you aim far and throw hard it’s to the birds.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 2:47 AM, Burros said:I used to work as a machine operator for a very big Company that produces products that are in many households across the nation although not a fishing company our main objective was to produce! Sometimes we got pushed we got fatigued there were machine brake downs their were problems with palletizer machines the QC workers were exhausted things definitely get overlooked. Imagine now in Malaysia where there hours are longer their breaks are less monitored, if at all imagine how much product their pumping out every shift ? I could see how factory defects can easily occur and Really this gos for all the major companies that are being pushed to produce as much product as humanly possible.
Again I wouldn’t call it catastrophic I would call it the norm hopefully things get sorted out.
As I stated in my original post. I hope and assume this is a QC error. The reason I posted the word catastrophe is because of the amount of people that have commented on other posts that said I wanted one but I'm not taking my chances for that kinda money. Or the shop owners who posted as well as the shop owner I'm friends with that say I replaced the defective DC reels with "another brand" (locally it's the Tatula SV as the replacement). There's a lot of people out there that will judge this reel by first impressions and Shimano may lose potential sales over this.
Stephen B reply :
I have yet to hear of a problem from countless people (more than 10 people) that I fish with locally. I have been enjoyed them with no issues.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
Well before the thread gets locked due to fan boys I'll copy paste what I am seeing to comply to forum rules. All from Ohio Fishing B/S/T
"Buyer beware! I bought the new Curado DC and it doesn't live up to the hype. I have spent wasted time and casts trying to tune this thing and it will not cast without a backlash. I contacted Shimano and tuned it to the way they told me over the phone and I was able to cast but lost distance. They said it was probably a defect and would send me a new one if I sent this one back but couldn't know when a new one would be shipped out. Don't buy the DC sick with the Curado K. I plan on uploading a video on YouTube tonight to show what this reel really does."
Replies to said thread
" I own two and have zero problems with them. But my teammate got his and has had the same problem and was told the same thing."
"I got one to and I'm not impressed. I may try one again once all the bugs are worked out but I haven't see anything special from it."
" I seen a video on YouTube that the uploader had the same problem. Must be a bug in the first batch."
"I wouldn't be going out and replacing any Curado Ks or Is that I had with the Curado DC yet. But if I was in the market for a new reel I'd look at them."
There were OBVIOUSLY about 40 comments praising the reel and people offering their positive review of the reel. And another couple that had swear words that I wasn't going to post.
Now please explain to me where I was promoting any brand I stated that my shop was offering to swap defective DC reels with SV reels, Revo STXs or Custom Speed Spool since Shimano couldn't send replacements out due to the high demand and now issues with the first batch.
That specific post was posted at 7:38pm the three different posts in saw this morning have been removed by a moderator.
kenmitch reply :
It looks like a nice reel for those who fear the baitcasters nasty nest of despair. Kidding aside it looks like it's a nice reel for anybody that's in the market for one as long as it fits the budget.
puddlepuncher reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 12:19 AM, BrianinMD said:I got mine and did some yard cast to see what it would do. It will cast great, a normal straight cast and no thumb until it lands, distance is very good. But I purposefully cast into something or try to skip across gravel like some where testing with no backlash and no luck there, explodes into a backlash.
On 8/5/2018 at 2:34 AM, BrianinMD said:well I played around a little more and figured it out....
I had the cast control knob just tight enough to keep the spool from moving back and forth. I tightened it up and found a sweet spot. In mode 4 it is slightly less distance than another MH similiar to the test rod (test was 6ft 6in, regular use rod is 7ft), switched mode to 1 and the distance is WAY longer. Best part is there was no backlash at all with no thumb at all. Switched it back to mode 4 and tried skipping down a gravel driveway, no thumb and no backlash. Only way I can get backlash is to literally smack it straight into the ground.....
I think these two posts sum it up in a nutshell. Consumers overly excited with slightly unrealistic expectations (myself included) that a reel is going to solve every problem associated with using a baitcaster. After some trial and error the reel performs after all. Thanks for sharing the updated post BTW.
I think the title is a bit misleading, no disrespect to chancetaker. There is no such thing as a new product that will satisfy everyone. Only time will tell with this reel but I'm still confident in my hard earned cash and the decision to spend it on this reel.
Let's not forget this technology isn't new whatsoever to Shimano. It's been proven for 14 years now in Japan and let's be honest the Japanese consumer is not one to accept sub par, especially at the much higher prices it has commanded. It is however new to the US market and with unfamiliar technology comes a learning curve with the consumer.
Lastly not all reviews of products are to be trusted either be it user error or just straight for the lack of a better term 'Trolling'. With the anonymity of the internet people will post things that certainly would not be uttered face to face. I think this thread has a few examples of that.
I'll be the first to eat my words if I find this reel to be unsatisfactory in any way.
Stephen B reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 1:30 PM, puddlepuncher said:
I think these two posts sum it up in a nutshell. Consumers overly excited with slightly unrealistic expectations (myself included) that a reel is going to solve every problem associated with using a baitcaster. After some trial and error the reel performs after all. Thanks for sharing the updated post BTW.
I think the title is a bit misleading, no disrespect to chancetaker. There is no such thing as a new product that will satisfy everyone. Only time will tell with this reel but I'm still confident in my hard earned cash and the decision to spend it on this reel.
Let's not forget this technology isn't new whatsoever to Shimano. It's been proven for 14 years now in Japan and let's be honest the Japanese consumer is not one to accept sub par, especially at the much higher prices it has commanded. It is however new to the US market and with unfamiliar technology comes a learning curve with the consumer.
Lastly not all reviews of products are to be trusted either be it user error or just straight for the lack of a better term 'Trolling'. With the anonymity of the internet people will post things that certainly would not be uttered face to face. I think this thread has a few examples of that.
I'll be the first to eat my words if I find this reel to be unsatisfactory in any way.
Perfectly said. I agree. You deserve a trophy haha.
puddlepuncher reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 1:33 PM, Stephen B said:Perfectly said. I agree. You deserve a trophy haha.
Keep the trophy, I deserve my reel that I paid for a month ago.
Maico1 reply :
On 8/4/2018 at 11:45 PM, Chance_Taker4 said:I have seen since Thursday countless posts on social media and it seems to be spreading to YouTube a negative review of the first batch of Curado DC. The number one complain no matter how you tune it it always backlashes. So I went to my local authorized Shimano shop this morning to chat and found put that they received 12 in stock 10 are sold. Out of the 10, 6 have came back defective. Shop owner talked to Shimano and was told this is something that they are experiencing a lot. I have been at the shop for about 3 hours and we have been messing with one of the unsold reels and it is doing exactly what everyone is experiencing, the brakes aren't working. Now the other unsold reel works 100%. It looks like Shimano has run into a little hiccup possibly trying to rush out the new Curados.
Just curious what was it you/we did messing with the unsold reel to diagnose the digital brakes were not working.......
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 7:30 PM, Maico1 said:Just curious what was it you/we did messing with the unsold reel to diagnose the digital brakes were not working.......
We where pitching into buckets and light sidearm casting in the store.
BrianinMD reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 1:30 PM, puddlepuncher said:
I think these two posts sum it up in a nutshell. Consumers overly excited with slightly unrealistic expectations (myself included) that a reel is going to solve every problem associated with using a baitcaster. After some trial and error the reel performs after all. Thanks for sharing the updated post BTW.
I think the title is a bit misleading, no disrespect to chancetaker. There is no such thing as a new product that will satisfy everyone. Only time will tell with this reel but I'm still confident in my hard earned cash and the decision to spend it on this reel.
Let's not forget this technology isn't new whatsoever to Shimano. It's been proven for 14 years now in Japan and let's be honest the Japanese consumer is not one to accept sub par, especially at the much higher prices it has commanded. It is however new to the US market and with unfamiliar technology comes a learning curve with the consumer.
Lastly not all reviews of products are to be trusted either be it user error or just straight for the lack of a better term 'Trolling'. With the anonymity of the internet people will post things that certainly would not be uttered face to face. I think this thread has a few examples of that.
I'll be the first to eat my words if I find this reel to be unsatisfactory in any way.
Everyone needs to realize also that nothing works up to its potential straight out of the box, it has to be setup properly to achieve success. I knew I did not have something right but was missing it on my initial attempts. Once I hit that sweet spot thru trial and error the reel proved how good it is.
I have used baitcasters for years, not the best but can do pretty well with them. I got the reel to try something different, would never pay the high cost before for a DC reel. This price point is doable so why not. With the way it cast it will find a home in my regular rotation easily. The regular setup I used as a reference point for distance I have used a lot for 6 or 7 years. This reel on day 1, setup properly, out cast it distance wise. Now need to hit to water to see fishing performance.
new2BC4bass reply :
As stated, Shimano has been making DC reels for several years. I find it hard to believe that the newest iteration doesn't function at least as well as older models. I know they have put out different versions of DC, but only have experience with one...an Exsence DC.
Nor do I believe is it a problem due to a learning curve on this side of the ocean. The curve is very short. At least with the Exsence DC. I've never even seen another DC model much less fished one. One of the settings for the Exsence is a drag setting...from Max to Min. As long as the setting is on Max drag or any of the other 3 settings there is no need for a thumb. And this is with spool tension set like a Daiwa...to the point there is a bit of side-to-side play.
I couldn't say whether or not this is true if you skip with it. I've yet to try skipping.
Maico1 reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 7:47 PM, Chance_Taker4 said:We where pitching into buckets and light sidearm casting in the store.
Certainly not how I would test a DC reel for brake failure however it makes total sense to me. A DC reel requires a startup inertia in order to get the DC Module to perform . For someone not familiar with a DC reel and to apply light casting tactics out of the box you will get the same result and think the Module is not performing. DC reels have not been known for there light casting techniques because it needs that startup inertia however that can be accomplished if you play with them long enough. So in all do respect you have not convinced me and should not convince anyone else based on how you tested the reel there is a problem with them...Being someone who has fished with DC reels since they have come out I also question how much the Authorized Dealer you state actually knows about them.......
new2BC4bass reply :
From what little I know about DC reels, I would have to agree with the above. Mine is spooled with 12# AN40 and will only be used on MH rods. I don't use 1/4 oz. weights on a MH rod even though it is rated that low. None of the lures I have used thus far with my DC reel has caused any kind of a casting problem.....as long as I don't go below Max on the drag setting without making a cast control adjustment. And no, I don't have the greatest thumb control where I could use Min on the drag setting without first tightening spool tension.
Mike Boitnott reply :
Great info, Thanks for the heads up! This reel was on my to buy list, was looking forward to it coming out.
Tywithay reply :
I'm curious if it just takes several casts to get a full charge on this particular DC system.
BrianinMD reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 10:18 PM, Tywithay said:I'm curious if it just takes several casts to get a full charge on this particular DC system.
Not that I have noticed, I could not resist making a few cast this morning and it worked perfectly on the first one.
OnthePotomac reply :
The Shimano Malaysia facility is not an independent operation which marches to its own drum. It is supervised by senior Shimano technicians, some from Japan, and abides by the same quality control standards as the facility in Japan.
This is what Shimano says.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 8:30 PM, Maico1 said:Certainly not how I would test a DC reel for brake failure however it makes total sense to me. A DC reel requires a startup inertia in order to get the DC Module to perform . For someone not familiar with a DC reel and to apply light casting tactics out of the box you will get the same result and think the Module is not performing. DC reels have not been known for there light casting techniques because it needs that startup inertia however that can be accomplished if you play with them long enough. So in all do respect you have not convinced me and should not convince anyone else based on how you tested the reel there is a problem with them...Being someone who has fished with DC reels since they have come out I also question how much the Authorized Dealer you state actually knows about them.......
I am in no way discouraging anyone from buying the reel. I still plan on buying one myself. I simply said it looks like there is a problem with the first few released reels. There are a lot of positive reviews that make me think it was a slip in QC. The release date for these were September but the demand had Shimano trying to release early which overworked the employees and caused a slip in QC.
burrows reply :
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Stuff happens and I'm sure they'll make good. But I can't help but think if this was ABU or god help us quantum, it would be all pitchforks and torches. Lol
MisterDeadeye reply :
On 8/6/2018 at 3:57 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:Stuff happens and I'm sure they'll make good. But I can't help but think if this was ABU or god help us quantum, it would be all pitchforks and torches. Lol
I'm asking myself what I would be thinking if it were KastKing.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 8/6/2018 at 4:16 AM, MisterDeadeye said:I'm asking myself what I would be thinking if it were KastKing.
Armageddon
Chance_Taker4 reply :
UPDATE........I am a proud owner of a Curado DC. Shop owner called me last night to come out after work so I did. Shimano rep was there earlier in the day and said there was a unit of 250 reels that left the factory with the brakes not installed properly and they have in narrowed down to a distribution facility in Michigan. Rep fixed all the reels at the shop and left. This would be why the complaints I seen where on local forums. I tested the reel out as I did over the weekend flipping and light sidearm casting and it worked beautifully, no thumbing required at all.
kenmitch reply :
On 8/7/2018 at 9:31 PM, Chance_Taker4 said:UPDATE........I am a proud owner of a Curado DC. Shop owner called me last night to come out after work so I did. Shimano rep was there earlier in the day and said there was a unit of 250 reels that left the factory with the brakes not installed properly and they have in narrowed down to a distribution facility in Michigan. Rep fixed all the reels at the shop and left. This would be why the complaints I seen where on local forums. I tested the reel out as I did over the weekend flipping and light sidearm casting and it worked beautifully, no thumbing required at all.
Nice to see the issue was fixed in a timely manner and you got your DC in hand to play around with. Too bad some had to jump all over you for even bringing up the issue.....Hopefully they won't demand a letter from the Daiwa rep for proof.
AirborneNautilus reply :
Out of curiosity, how tight are you guys setting the spool tension? I tightened mine as per included instructions (enough to prevent side to side wiggle) and then another 20 to 30 degree rotation of the tension knob, but I'm not getting the no thumb performance on any break settings. The reel is spooled with 12 lb yozuri hybrid and I've tried throwing several lures in the 3/8 to 1 oz range.
On setting 1 with ideal conditions (no wind), I immediately get a backlash on casting. 2 is a bit better, but I have to thumb it a bit before the lure hits the water. 4 is the best, but lacks some serious distance. Not sure whether I didn't set it up properly or if I received a reel with an issue.
It's noteworthy that this is my first shimano reel. I'm not sure if the setup or casting technique is supposed to be different from my daiwas.
DINK WHISPERER reply :
On 8/5/2018 at 2:05 AM, BaitFinesse said:If there is a problem they will get it hammered out like the thumb bar fix on the regular K. This is why it is risky to early adopt.
What was wrong with the thumb bar on the K? I have a couple of those reels.
J Francho reply :
On 8/7/2018 at 9:31 PM, Chance_Taker4 said:UPDATE........I am a proud owner of a Curado DC. Shop owner called me last night to come out after work so I did. Shimano rep was there earlier in the day and said there was a unit of 250 reels that left the factory with the brakes not installed properly and they have in narrowed down to a distribution facility in Michigan. Rep fixed all the reels at the shop and left. This would be why the complaints I seen where on local forums. I tested the reel out as I did over the weekend flipping and light sidearm casting and it worked beautifully, no thumbing required at all.
This sounds weird to me. There aren't "brakes" on a DC reel that can be installed - correctly or not. Flipping doesn't involve the reel at all. Pitching doesn't generate enough inertia to get the DC going. Side arm barely gets it going. I've used DC reels, and this has been my experience. I've serviced DC reels, and know that other than the sensor window being gunked up (an issue they seem to have resolved) there's nothing to service. What store was this? I think the owner isn't telling the truth. If there was an issue with DC braking, they would have to go back to the factory. There's nothing anyone can do to service the braking system in the field. I also think you need to actually make a normal force cast to realize the full benefits of DC.
Dwight Hottle reply :
On 8/8/2018 at 10:13 PM, J Francho said:This sounds weird to me. There aren't "brakes" on a DC reel that can be installed - correctly or not. Flipping doesn't involve the reel at all. Pitching doesn't generate enough inertia to get the DC going. Side arm barely gets it going. I've used DC reels, and this has been my experience. I've serviced DC reels, and know that other than the sensor window being gunked up (an issue they seem to have resolved) there's nothing to service. What store was this? I think the owner isn't telling the truth. If there was an issue with DC braking, they would have to go back to the factory. There's nothing anyone can do to service the braking system in the field. I also think you need to actually make a normal force cast to realize the full benefits of DC.
And the plot thickens.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 8/8/2018 at 10:13 PM, J Francho said:This sounds weird to me. There aren't "brakes" on a DC reel that can be installed - correctly or not. Flipping doesn't involve the reel at all. Pitching doesn't generate enough inertia to get the DC going. Side arm barely gets it going. I've used DC reels, and this has been my experience. I've serviced DC reels, and know that other than the sensor window being gunked up (an issue they seem to have resolved) there's nothing to service. What store was this? I think the owner isn't telling the truth. If there was an issue with DC braking, they would have to go back to the factory. There's nothing anyone can do to service the braking system in the field. I also think you need to actually make a normal force cast to realize the full benefits of DC.
Now you have me nervous. I was taking the shop owners word as to what was "fixed" or "broken," I have never used a DC reel and it made sense to me what I was being told. There were no other DC reels on the shelf as there previously were behind the counter when I got there. I assumed he sold out. Now I'm wondering IF a rep even came as I was told and if so did he take the defective reels with him. The more I think about this the nervous I get. It is a relatively new shop maybe 4 months old and claims to be a Authorized Shimano and Abu Garcia dealer but has not signage saying so just hand written signs. Also a couple for the negative reviews I read came from other people who bought reels from his shop. Something is telling me most of the problems are coming from the store not the product. I'm not sure how to feel about this.
On 8/8/2018 at 9:13 PM, AirborneNautilus said:Out of curiosity, how tight are you guys setting the spool tension? I tightened mine as per included instructions (enough to prevent side to side wiggle) and then another 20 to 30 degree rotation of the tension knob, but I'm not getting the no thumb performance on any break settings. The reel is spooled with 12 lb yozuri hybrid and I've tried throwing several lures in the 3/8 to 1 oz range.
On setting 1 with ideal conditions (no wind), I immediately get a backlash on casting. 2 is a bit better, but I have to thumb it a bit before the lure hits the water. 4 is the best, but lacks some serious distance. Not sure whether I didn't set it up properly or if I received a reel with an issue.
It's noteworthy that this is my first shimano reel. I'm not sure if the setup or casting technique is supposed to be different from my daiwas.
This sounds exactly like my initial experience and what I heard from other people.
J Francho reply :
I don't think it was broken at all. Has anyone confirmed anything with Shimano. I'd call support, but I don't have anything but second hand information.
Maico1 reply :
On 8/8/2018 at 10:13 PM, J Francho said:This sounds weird to me. There aren't "brakes" on a DC reel that can be installed - correctly or not. Flipping doesn't involve the reel at all. Pitching doesn't generate enough inertia to get the DC going. Side arm barely gets it going. I've used DC reels, and this has been my experience. I've serviced DC reels, and know that other than the sensor window being gunked up (an issue they seem to have resolved) there's nothing to service. What store was this? I think the owner isn't telling the truth. If there was an issue with DC braking, they would have to go back to the factory. There's nothing anyone can do to service the braking system in the field. I also think you need to actually make a normal force cast to realize the full benefits of DC.
Very well said.....
I did call Shimano and they know nothing about it....If 250 reels were bad they would know and certainly a Factory Rep would not be fixing them in the field.
Logan S reply :
My thought on all this was that lots of people saw the video of the guy casting at the wall and thought the DC would be magic...Allowing them cast full distance with no thumb input. When they winged that first cast out there and backlashed, they thought it was a faulty reel.
DC is cool and there are some situations where I think it really shines, but as a general reel day in and day out I doubt the average user would find it to be a huge 'game changer'. I say this a Shimano fan and owner of multiple DC reels.
J Francho reply :
On 8/8/2018 at 10:59 PM, Maico1 said:I did call Shimano and they know nothing about it....If 250 reels were bad they would know and certainly a Factory Rep would not be fixing them in the field.
That's what I'm thinking.
On 8/5/2018 at 8:51 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:All from Ohio Fishing B/S/T
Please send me the link to the the posts. When I search for the statements you quoted, Google only returns this thread.
Fishingmickey reply :
Hello all,
I too have been eye balling the Curado DC hard. My problem is justifying another reel purchase. I have a Scorpion DC that I really like. I have had the Scorpion almost a year now. Purchased it through Japan. It isn't bullet proof no backlashes and it will backlash more on the lighter brake settings. I am casting a light weight (1/8 oz) 5" finesse worm 3/0 straight shank hook into the wind when that happens and reaching for the fences. I don't think DC is the be all end all for no thumb casting but I do think it is a major improvement in braking systems.
When I do take my sweetie fishing she uses the Scorpion DC reel and I increase the cast setting up a notch and a touch more on the tension knob and she definitely gets significantly less backlashing then when she uses my other Shimano reels. It keeps her frustration level down greatly and hopefully as she learns more how to thumb and cast a baitcaster she will enjoy fishing more.
I don't think casting straight into a wall from short distance is a smart way to test a reel.
Fishingmickey
a1712 reply :
On 8/8/2018 at 9:46 PM, DINK WHISPERER said:What was wrong with the thumb bar on the K? I have a couple of those reels.
They had a small quant. that didn't have enough glue holding the top and bottom of the thumb bar together so they were coming apart. Brian.
Wingman87 reply :
FWIW I let my brother who has never cast a “casting” reel in his life use my curado dc and on setting 4 with the tension knob set a little tighter than what the directions call for he never backlashed it once. Never even touch the spool with his thumb, not even to stop it when the lure hit the ground. With that being said I find it very difficult to not get backlashes on setting number 1. I’m still trying to get used to it and figure out where the sweet spot is but that first setting is a bear.
Junger reply :
Best way I found to dial it in was to set the tension knob tight enough that when you drop a lure from a fixed position it doesn't backlash, then reduce it from there until you're happy.
I was casting a 3/8oz weighted EWG with a Keitech ridiculously far on a 7'5 EMTF on fluoro. Dial set at 3, tension knob set just a tad looser than I described above and I'd guestimate over 90 yards. There is a section at Widewater C&O Canal, where I usually cast and it doesn't reach the other bank, but I hit the trees on the other side on a cast.
I hope TW has a Labor Day sale, I'm getting another one.
Glenn reply :
FYI, we had to remove several posts, and even suspend one guy.... all because people get all emotional over ...
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a reel.
It's fishing folks. It's supposed to be fun. If your blood starts to boil over a post on a fishing site, then it's time to do a gut check; because something is seriously wrong.
Just sayin'
Stephen B reply :
On 8/9/2018 at 12:49 PM, Glenn said:FYI, we had to remove several posts, and even suspend one guy.... all because people get all emotional over ...
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a reel.
It's fishing folks. It's supposed to be fun. If your blood starts to boil over a post on a fishing site, then it's time to do a gut check; because something is seriously wrong.
Just sayin'
Too much testosterone in one forum. Where the women at? Hahaha jk
I agree with Glenn. Its important to remember that everyone is entitled to an opinion and everyones experience, budget, and preferences are not the same. We should accept them and be more helpful to others. At the end of the day we are all apart of the same BR community.
MUSLENUTZ reply :
Anyone have a curado dc? Mine has this weird small blemish lately almost a dent.
Hulkster reply :
QuoteThey had a small quant. that didn't have enough glue holding the top and bottom of the thumb bar together so they were coming apart. Brian.
they had lots of problems with this, apparently they switched adhesives and the problem was corrected. but why did they have a two piece clutch button in the first place? the design used on the previous models (for example, the 200i) was perfect and didn't fall apart on you.
On 9/2/2018 at 2:40 AM, MUSLENUTZ said:Anyone have a curado dc? Mine has this weird small blemish lately almost a dent.
that's the Flux Capacitor.
burrows reply :
MUSLENUTZ reply :
Went out casting with 40 pound braid. Continued to get backlash and dig ins. Switch to mono and set brakes like a traditional caster. Ignored just trying to stop at the spool wobble like the instructions state. Casting about 150-170 ft. No backlashes.
DanTheFireman reply :
I played with the 151 XG for four days in my back yard lake, am retired so that's a lot of casts. It's spooled with 40# Maxcuatro and used two rods, a 6'6" M Expride and a 7' LMH Kistler He3, 1/2 ounce or so jerk baits and a frog, tried spool tension from just barely no wiggle all the way to no lure drop. My take; Setting 1 is useless, lots of backlash without some serious thumbing. Setting 2 is great, works as designed. Setting 3 is between 1 and 2... my reel is dyslexic. Setting 4 works as designed. There are plenty of vids up showing the reel doing what it's supposed to so I took mine to the local Shimano repair guy yesterday.
punch reply :
One thing you're not hearing much of is how much people LOVE their Curado DC's. A diehard shimano friend of mine (who has JDM DC's) says the Curado DC is a basketcase in comparison to the scorpion DC. He's convinced they used cheaper components for their first crack at the US market. He gets the same backlash issues. He's already listed his for sale on the local fish groups.
Junger reply :
I love my DC. I love the noise it makes. I set it up so that I have to thumb it when the lure hits the water, but that's how I set up all my baitcasters. But what differentiates it is that, it self-clears overruns on the fly so there's no magnetic or centrifugal brakes to mess around with. I think there's an unrealistic expectation that the DC braking system should also be a tension knob braking mechanism as well.
BaitFinesse reply :
On 9/12/2018 at 3:58 AM, Junger said:I love my DC. I love the noise it makes. I set it up so that I have to thumb it when the lure hits the water, but that's how I set up all my baitcasters. But what differentiates it is that, it self-clears overruns on the fly so there's no magnetic or centrifugal brakes to mess around with. I think there's an unrealistic expectation that the DC braking system should also be a tension knob braking mechanism as well.
That is not that unrealistic an expectation in my opinion but it is a bit silly. The Daiwa SV reels require no thumb even on splash down and don't use any spool tension. Even a Tatula SV which is on the cheap end of the spectrum can cast a Terminator frog 60+ yards thumb free into the ground without stopping the spool which was a surprise. I still stop the spool on all my SV reels out of habit from years of using non SV reels. Maybe if I am skipping something under a dock and lose track of it then the spool will slow to a stop on It's own once the bait hits bottom but mode 4 on the DC should behave similarly.
I think the way the DC brake works it weakens as the spool slows and at low speed it is not as aggressive as an SV spool unless it is in mode 4 which makes sense. The Tackle Tour icast preview seems to claim more than reasonable casting distance in mode 4 though.
Junger reply :
On 9/12/2018 at 5:10 AM, BaitFinesse said:That is not that unrealistic an expectation in my opinion but it is a bit silly. The Daiwa SV reels require no thumb even on splash down and don't use any spool tension. Even a Tatula SV which is on the cheap end of the spectrum can cast a Terminator frog 60+ yards thumb free into the ground without stopping the spool which was a surprise. I still stop the spool on all my SV reels out of habit from years of using non SV reels. Maybe if I am skipping something under a dock and loose track of it then the spool will slow to a stop on It's own once the bait hits bottom but mode 4 on the DC should behave similarly.
That's like trying to compare two tools that almost do the same thing but not quite, like a Phillips and Flathead screw driver. My Zillion SV TWS or Tat SV TWS doesn't come close to casting as far as my Curado DC when bombing an appropriate sized lure. I can set up the DC to skip lures on Mode 4 and a tightened tension knob, but it won't skip as far as the SV. I use the SV spools for lighter lures, pitching (when I don't want to thumb the spool on splash down), and skipping, while I use the DC for bombing lures. Both systems are different tools for me that I think do some things better than the other and I love using both.
MUSLENUTZ reply :
On 9/12/2018 at 3:36 AM, punch said:One thing you're not hearing much of is how much people LOVE their Curado DC's. A diehard shimano friend of mine (who has JDM DC's) says the Curado DC is a basketcase in comparison to the scorpion DC. He's convinced they used cheaper components for their first crack at the US market. He gets the same backlash issues. He's already listed his for sale on the local fish groups.
I tested it against a curado k. It casts maybe 10-20 feet more on average. It is not perfect with backlashing. It’s not backlash proof but it is pretty close to it. I counted 56 cranks at 31 inches per turn is about 170-180 ft using 80% strength. I love it. That was using a 1/8 sinker, a senko, 4 O hook and 15lb mono. Today i used 40lb braid and was getting a little less but not much. Other fisherman looked at me like i had three heads. DC for the win, curado k returned. DC being fished outcasting everyone I have talked to and have tried it.
BaitFinesse reply :
On 9/12/2018 at 5:30 AM, Junger said:That's like trying to compare two tools that almost do the same thing but not quite, like a Phillips and Flathead screw driver. My Zillion SV TWS or Tat SV TWS doesn't come close to casting as far as my Curado DC when bombing an appropriate sized lure. I can set up the DC to skip lures on Mode 4 and a tightened tension knob, but it won't skip as far as the SV. I use the SV spools for lighter lures, pitching (when I don't want to thumb the spool on splash down), and skipping, while I use the DC for bombing lures. Both systems are different tools for me that I think do some things better than the other and I love using both.
What are your preferred long bomb settings with the Curado DC that can still handle wind?
Junger reply :
On 9/12/2018 at 11:15 AM, BaitFinesse said:What are your preferred long bomb settings with the Curado DC that can still handle wind?
14lb FC Sniper, I use setting 3 and the tension knob loose so that if I drop a 5" Senko with 1/8oz on a 3/0 EWG to the ground without thumbing, it will overrun about 10 wraps. Most wind I've faced with the DC so far were up in NH where it was about 7-10mph. I haven't faced anything more than that here in DC, other than some light winds under 5mph.
BaitFinesse reply :
On 9/12/2018 at 11:43 AM, Junger said:14lb FC Sniper, I use setting 3 and the tension knob loose so that if I drop a 5" Senko with 1/8oz on a 3/0 EWG to the ground without thumbing, it will overrun about 10 wraps. Most wind I've faced with the DC so far were up in NH where it was about 7-10mph. I haven't faced anything more than that here in DC, other than some light winds under 5mph.
Thanks.
Hulkster reply :
i have to wonder how many of the 'issues' we see are people that don't know how to use a baitcaster properly, buy a curado DC and think that it will do everything for them, then complain about the reel when it doesn't?
MUSLENUTZ reply :
Having not used a bait caster in 20 years, I was using this like a huck it and chuck it not expecting it to back lash. I dont think you should set it as they suggest. Focusing on the spool not wobbling to know when its set right. Bottom line, set it up like a regular bait caster and it sails. I love it!
five-bites reply :
Like has been said, ignore the suggested spool tension setting and this thing works. It skips better than it should imo too.
Hulkster reply :
im confused as to the spool wobble. does the spool on the DC wobble much more than normal baitcasters? eg. say as compared to a Curado I or K? which has almost no wobble?
Gundog reply :
I don't own a DC but having looked at the reviews and youtube videos about setting it up and casting I'm thinking that people not knowing the difference between a DC and a conventional reel might be what is causing the problems in some cases. Not all cases, just some. In one video I watched, the presenter was concerned that the casting distance was longer on setting 3 than on setting 2 and couldn't understand why. Having only used conventional baitcasters I can understand his confusion. It seems like if you didn't own a DC version of a reel before you may be in for a steep learning curve on the Curado DC. Just my opinion.
MUSLENUTZ reply :
On 9/12/2018 at 9:21 PM, Hulkster said:im confused as to the spool wobble. does the spool on the DC wobble much more than normal baitcasters? eg. say as compared to a Curado I or K? which has almost no wobble?
You basically adjust the brake tension until the spool stops wobbling. That is their suggestion on when it is set correctly. I ignore that, I simply place on a lure and adjust until it hits the ground and doesnt backlash.
BaitFinesse reply :
On 9/12/2018 at 9:21 PM, Hulkster said:im confused as to the spool wobble. does the spool on the DC wobble much more than normal baitcasters? eg. say as compared to a Curado I or K? which has almost no wobble?
By "wobble" they mean side to side play in the spool as set by the spool tension knob. Not actual rotational wobble due to a bent spool shaft or anything.
Woody_California reply :
Love mine!
puddlepuncher reply :
On 9/11/2018 at 11:56 PM, DanTheFireman said:My take; Setting 1 is useless, lots of backlash without some serious thumbing. Setting 2 is great, works as designed. Setting 3 is between 1 and 2... my reel is dyslexic. Setting 4 works as designed. There are plenty of vids up showing the reel doing what it's supposed to so I took mine to the local Shimano repair guy yesterday.
I agree with setting 1. The only way I've managed to get it working on this setting is to tighten the tension far beyond what I set any reel. It will cast about the same distance as setting 2 with the spool tension much lower so it is a useless setting IMO. I haven't tried 3 much TBH but I will tomorrow. 4 is pretty much for beginners or casting into the wind and is nearly useless.
I did notice it is much more forgiving with braid than mono. I had more over runs with mono mid cast than I've had in years but with braid those seemed to work themselves out by the time the lure hit the water.
All that said I still love this reel. Strangely enough it's taken me much longer to get it set up to my comfort level by a long shot. I played with it for a few hours before I felt it was in the optimal zone for how I wanted to use it. It will not replace my MGL spooled reels though. Not by a long shot.
@Gundog I agree it was over hyped and definitely takes more time to dial in than any other reel I've owned. It's still a great fun reel.
Half of me hopes the masses don't embrace it and I can scoop up a few more on the cheap on Ebay in the coming months.
burrows reply :
On 9/13/2018 at 3:02 PM, puddlepuncher said:
@Gundog
Half of me hopes the masses don't embrace it and I can scoop up a few more on the cheap on Ebay in the coming months.
If the masses don’t embrace it the price won’t go down this only happens if demand continues to be high for that specific reel for example the k prices are low because they are being produced like hot cakes and circulation is high. On the other hand the chronarch mgl prices remain high even though the reel isn’t super popular that’s because demand is low even though that is a bad ass mofo of a reel.
Mark my words a year from today the curado dc will not go down in value like the k it won’t go lower than 220 a year from now not even on eBay not new. This reel will hold its value no doubt.
Not getting @DINK WHISPERER The more over stock the more product, the more the value goes down.
Something like that @BaitFinesse schooled me on that recently.
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DINK WHISPERER reply :
On 9/13/2018 at 9:07 PM, Burrows said:If the masses don’t expect it the price won’t go down this only happens if demand continues to be high for that specific reel for example the k prices are low because they are being produced like hot cakes and circulation is high. On the other hand the chronarch mgl prices remain high even though the reel isn’t super popular that’s because demand is low even though that is a bad ass mofo of a reel.
Mark my words a year from today the curado dc will not go down in value like the k it won’t go lower than 220 a year from now not even on eBay not new. This reel will hold its value no doubt.
Not getting @DINK WHISPERER The more over stock the more product, the more the value goes down.
Something like that @BaitFinesse schooled me on that recently.
You said if the masses don't expect it the price won't go down. Not getting you?
To me supply and demand means the more people want an item and demand it the more the price will stay consistent or even go up. The less people want it then lower the demand for it the less the price.
Junger reply :
Mind your P's and Q's!
burrows reply :
On 9/13/2018 at 10:26 PM, DINK WHISPERER said:You said if the masses don't expect it the price won't go down. Not getting you?
To me supply and demand means the more people want an item and demand it the more the price will stay consistent or even go up. The less people want it then lower the demand for it the less the price.
Misspelled except it, is what I meant anyways I was wrong already just seen on the sales thread the dc are going for 200 on Alf eBay with 20 percent coupon codes
puddlepuncher reply :
@Burrows There is no logic to Ebay other than is someone needs cash badly enough they will sell something for rock bottom prices. I don't buy the theory of lower demand higher prices but that's for another thread I guess...the can you pick up the sarcasm thread.
I'm actually a fan of lightly used in some cases. If this reel bombs there will be plenty of lightly used ones on the market cutting into the sales of new ones. Either way I'll score another 2 by winter for well under MSRP.
Woody_California reply :
I don't understand how this is so difficult to set up initially? There's only 1 variable.. the spool tension knob.
MUSLENUTZ reply :
On 9/14/2018 at 3:31 AM, Woody_California said:I don't understand how this is so difficult to set up initially? There's only 1 variable.. the spool tension knob.
Just set it like your normally do a bait caster. The manual suggests you just tighten it until the spool no longers shifts from side to side. I find it better to just drop the lure until it hits the ground with no backlash at a slow drop pace.
Junger reply :
On 9/14/2018 at 3:31 AM, Woody_California said:I don't understand how this is so difficult to set up initially? There's only 1 variable.. the spool tension knob.
On 9/14/2018 at 3:37 AM, MUSLENUTZ said:Just set it like your normally do a bait caster. The manual suggests you just tighten it until the spool no longers shifts from side to side. I find it better to just drop the lure until it hits the ground with no backlash at a slow drop pace.
Maybe there truly was a defective initial batch...as the OP stated. But yeah, there's 1 variable to play with and it's not difficult to set it up so you don't backlash or overrun.
puddlepuncher reply :
On 9/14/2018 at 3:31 AM, Woody_California said:I don't understand how this is so difficult to set up initially? There's only 1 variable.. the spool tension knob.
I set up all my reels with minimal braking and minimal tension. I could tell setting 4 was not for me. What took me a bit was 1 and 2. As stated before 1 is almost useless, and 2 is where I've done most of my fishing. I still find I had to set the tension a bit tighter than I prefer on non DC reels. The tension knob is more sensitive than high end Shimanos.
In the end it took a few casts to figure out setting 2, and an hour or so to realize the other 3 settings were not for me.
Woody_California reply :
On 9/14/2018 at 4:06 AM, puddlepuncher said:
I set up all my reels with minimal braking and minimal tension. I could tell setting 4 was not for me. What took me a bit was 1 and 2. As stated before 1 is almost useless, and 2 is where I've done most of my fishing. I still find I had to set the tension a bit tighter than I prefer on non DC reels. The tension knob is more sensitive than high end Shimanos.
In the end it took a few casts to figure out setting 2, and an hour or so to realize the other 3 settings were not for me.
These things must be inconsistent albeit I find setting 3 a bit useless myself. If I tune the reel to cast well in mode 1, all other modes work. I wouldn't think you should have to readjust the spool tension for each brake setting.
five-bites reply :
I almost exclusively use mode 3. Mode 4 works just as advertised for skipping. 3 works too but 4 offers a little more insurance and skipping isn’t for distance anyway. I’ve only tried a stiff 17lb (.015” diameter) fluorocarbon and suspect braid would be better.
Woody_California reply :
Skipping is one thing that I've yet to try on this thing. I may have bashed mode 3 prematurely!
five-bites reply :
Well, I’ve been skipping since the old gold chronarch super free. This reel will skip very well. I used a 3/8 jig the other day but I believe a 1/2 would be right in its wheelhouse. It pitches better than I expected but don’t expect something like a finesse jig or senko to cooperate as well pitching.
Junger reply :
On 9/14/2018 at 7:54 AM, five-bites said:Well, I’ve been skipping since the old gold chronarch super free. This reel will skip very well. I used a 3/8 jig the other day but I believe a 1/2 would be right in its wheelhouse. It pitches better than I expected but don’t expect something like a finesse jig or senko to cooperate as well pitching.
My only thing with pitching is, I can't get it set just right so that when the jig hits the water I can let it free spool. I can do that with my Tatula SV TW.
MUSLENUTZ reply :
On 9/14/2018 at 5:38 AM, Woody_California said:These things must be inconsistent albeit I find setting 3 a bit useless myself. If I tune the reel to cast well in mode 1, all other modes work. I wouldn't think you should have to readjust the spool tension for each brake setting.
I readjust each time. Minor though
five-bites reply :
On 9/14/2018 at 8:40 AM, Junger said:My only thing with pitching is, I can't get it set just right so that when the jig hits the water I can let it free spool. I can do that with my Tatula SV TW.
I believe that. It’s definitely not my first pic for pitching. I’ve recently started switching to Shimano and the curado/scorpion 71 is going to be my day in day out pitching reels. Also the aldebaran but it might be put on a rod that’s best for 15lb or less.
fishwizzard reply :
Has anyone tried theirs with a heavy lure, like 2-4oz?
Woody_California reply :
I've overhanded our family cat a few times... I find that I can cast the line out all the way to the spool with no overrun on all settings! Side arm I lose about 30 yards but the accuracy is a LOT more consistent.
puddlepuncher reply :
On 9/14/2018 at 5:38 AM, Woody_California said:These things must be inconsistent albeit I find setting 3 a bit useless myself. If I tune the reel to cast well in mode 1, all other modes work. I wouldn't think you should have to readjust the spool tension for each brake setting.
I'm a bit anal about having the spool tension as loose as possible so I change it slightly depending on what brake setting is being used. I've never liked over tight spools, or an over braking reel. If I set up for brake setting 1 the tension is too tight for the other settings. I buy equipment for maximum performance and that's what took a bit longer to with this reel. I'm a perfectionist with equipment, so I guess you could say for the average fisherman I had this baby dialed in within minutes but for my standards it took a bit longer.
On 9/14/2018 at 7:44 AM, Woody_California said:Skipping is one thing that I've yet to try on this thing. I may have bashed mode 3 prematurely!
Sounds like you have some messing around still to do! LOL.
Either way I do enjoy this reel very much.
DanTheFireman reply :
On 9/14/2018 at 10:46 AM, Woody_California said:I've overhanded our family cat a few times... I find that I can cast the line out all the way to the spool with no overrun on all settings! Side arm I lose about 30 yards but the accuracy is a LOT more consistent.
You must have a smaller cat, I had to use the TranX to get any distance with my little fatty.
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