Do You Like Fluorocarbon Line? 2024
livemusic reply :
Why do you like it? I've never used it. Thinking of adding a leader to my braid but I might try fluorocarbon on its own just to try it. My buddy tried it, didn't like it.
kcdinkerz reply :
smaller line diameter then mono, low stretch=more sensitivity, and I heard it's invisible but don't believe it because I've seen bluegill s come up at bite my line lol. Anyways I like it for crank baits, jigs, and finesses stuff like drop shot, shakey head, and Ned rig. also flurocarbon sinks faster then mono or braid.
A-Jay reply :
Do You Like Fluorocarbon Line ?
Nope.
Especially as a Leader - Mono works perfectly.
A-Jay
Sea Salt reply :
I'd stick to using it as a leader. I don't necessarily think you need to use a full spool of it because it sinks very fast compared to mono or braid. This could be a good thing, but if you want more versatility stick to mono or braid. Personally I dislike it.
Angry John reply :
I use it for a few purposes but I would not say I like it. For dropshot spy baiting and jerkbaits its the right line for me. It does have its drawbacks but for those three its the best.
SGT Rico reply :
Not for me. I set the hook hard, and no matter the knot I tie, I seem to break some fish off at the hook set. I spent hundreds of dollars trying different brands, knots, and still had the same problem. It's been 100% braid for the last couple of years and I am not looking back. The only rigs I don't use braid are my crankbaits set ups.
kcdinkerz reply :
On 4/19/2015 at 11:57 AM, SGT Rico said:Not for me. I set the hook hard, and no matter the knot I tie, I seem to break some fish off at the hook set. I spent hundreds of dollars trying different brands, knots, and still had the same problem. It's been 100% braid for the last couple of years and I am not looking back. The only rigs I don't use braid are my crankbaits set ups.
You must have one heck of an arm lol, when I set the hook to hard my lure just ripps out of the fishes mouth
Mista bass reply :
Only as a leader. I use braid on all my combos except my top water combo and that's mono. On all my braid set ups I use a flouro leader, works great.
Ozark_Basser reply :
Here's my thoughts on the advantages of fluoro.
Abrasion resistance around rocks, docks, zebra mussels and anything sharp.
Better sensitivity for fishing bottom contact baits really deep. On a semi slack line in thirty feet of water, braid and mono will have a huge bow in it due to their buoyancy. Fluoro is more dense and will have more of a straight path from your rod tip to the bait.
Fluoro gets your crankbaits and jerkbaits a little deeper if that's what you are after. For me a lot of times that helps. It also allows your jerkbait to suspend nose down if that is what you want.
I'm not saying that fluoro is a better line than mono or braid, but it has its advantages in certain situations, as does mono and braid.
gulfcaptain reply :
As leader, yes for certain applications. As a main line....NO! Tried it, didn't like it. Too stiff and gave me more problems then I have ever encountered before with either mono or braid. I have broken a few fish off on a hookset with FC, but believe the line had a kink or a bad spot in it I didn't catch. So anytime I'm using FC leader, I constantly check for any bad spots. And beware, a tungsten flipping weight will cause the FC to break at the knot so you need to make sure you protect it if you do use FC.
Alonerankin2 reply :
I use a low test (#6 ) for senkos, outside of that, I'm not a fan
PersicoTrotaVA reply :
Yes. As a leader on my wacky rig rod and I use a full spool on my crankbait and spinnerbait rods. It sinks so it helps get the bait down. It does have it's drawbacks but so does mono and braid. I would never use it on something that needs to float like a top water bait, and slow sinking bait or a suspended bait.
SirSnookalot reply :
Only for leaders and only for some some salt water species. I do use P-line floroclear for freshwater leaders.
mrc.in.wi reply :
Using fluoro as a leader is a good idea. Best knot is Double Surgeon. Google it.
I use flouro on all my bait casters. It's stiffer than mono so it casts better. Has less stretch, more sensitivity, better abrasion resistance, better strength(if you tie it properly)(google uni knot), almost invisible in clear water. I even use Vicious, which most people abhor. Works great for me and it's cost effective. What's not to like
Bluebasser86 reply :
I'm not sure that I'd say I really like it, there's issues like cost, line management, and knot issues at times, but it's a necessary evil in clear water.
deep reply :
On 4/19/2015 at 12:20 PM, Jiggin said:Better sensitivity for fishing bottom contact baits really deep. On a semi slack line in thirty feet of water, braid and mono will have a huge bow in it due to their buoyancy. Fluoro is more dense and will have more of a straight path from your rod tip to the bait.
And that alone is the reason I put up with all the disadvantages like possibly shady knot strength, higher price, lower manageability and all the other crap.
.ghoti. reply :
I use it for trout trips. Four pound test on whatever spinning gear I'm taking. Otherwise I have no use for it.
Topwaterspook reply :
I use it as leader material. Other than that I'm not a big fan.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 4/19/2015 at 5:16 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I'm not sure that I'd say I really like it, there's issues like cost, line management, and knot issues at times, but it's a necessary evil in clear water.
I agree, but I have eliminated most of the negatives with Fluorocarbon by using 832 Suffix on every reel I own and going with 6' to 16' leaders in whatever weight fluorocarbon meets my needs, from 4 lbs. test to 20 lbs. test. gives me the benefits of both, and so far my most used reels have not needed new line on them going on 3 years now!!!! Makes 832 Suffix one of the che3apest to use even at it's high cost!! 
Team9nine reply :
Have it spooled on nearly every baitcaster I own, plus used regularly as a leader for my spinning outfits with braid. Great stuff. Increased sensitivity and abrasion resistance are the two main reasons for me using it.
-T9
Chris at Tech reply :
If you're bored, I think you can find about a hundred similar threads on this exact topic 
My short answer -- fluoro takes some more care and management than mono and braid, but to me it's worth it for the extra sensitivity needed for "feel" techniques.
livemusic reply :
On 4/20/2015 at 12:06 AM, Capt.Bob said:I agree, but I have eliminated most of the negatives with Fluorocarbon by using 832 Suffix on every reel I own and going with 6' to 16' leaders in whatever weight fluorocarbon meets my needs, from 4 lbs. test to 20 lbs. test. gives me the benefits of both, and so far my most used reels have not needed new line on them going on 3 years now!!!! Makes 832 Suffix one of the che3apest to use even at it's high cost!!
You use a 6-16' leader. What dictates the length?
What fluorocarbon line do you like?
Considering trying a leader with my 832 Sufix. I fish in cover, throwing at Cypress trees, laydowns, vegetation, will need to be heavier line. (Not sure what to try.)
FryDog62 reply :
I see a couple people above referenced that fluorocarbon has less stretch. It really doesn't, actually most monos and co-polymers have less stretch than fluorocarbon. Don't buy into the marketing hype.
So when is fluorocarbon an advantage? If you need sink rate (it is more dense than mono)...so bottom contact applications it can be an advantage. Or second, if you are tying a leader to braid. Braid has zero stretch so sometimes adding a fluorocarbon leader will give a little more forgiveness on hard hook sets so you don't rip it out of the fish's mouth.
As a main line... I don't use it any more, too often ends up in overrides, rats nests, lost fishing time...
Steveo-1969 reply :
On my spinning rods I've been using braid with fluorocarbon leader for a couple years now with no complaints.
I also used braid on my baitcasting rods, but about a month ago I spooled up a reel with 12# Invizx. So far I haven't seen any manageability issues. I do apply KVD L&L conditioner the night before a fishing trip though.
rippin-lips reply :
On 4/19/2015 at 5:05 PM, mrc.in.wi said:Using fluoro as a leader is a good idea. Best knot is Double Surgeon. Google it.
I use flouro on all my bait casters. It's stiffer than mono so it casts better. Has less stretch, more sensitivity, better abrasion resistance, better strength(if you tie it properly)(google uni knot), almost invisible in clear water. I even use Vicious, which most people abhor. Works great for me and it's cost effective. What's not to like
This is how misinformation gets spread around. Not to sound like a jerk but maybe you should google some info on fluorocarbon. Some of what you said is true but other parts are not.
OP - I use it as a leader where needed, and I have it on 2 reels that have a specific duty. Other than that it's braid for me or copolymer.
mrc.in.wi reply :
On 4/20/2015 at 11:33 PM, rippin-lips said:This is how misinformation gets spread around. Not to sound like a jerk but maybe you should google some info on fluorocarbon. Some of what you said is true but other parts are not.
OP - I use it as a leader where needed, and I have it on 2 reels that have a specific duty. Other than that it's braid for me or copolymer.
Why would I Google what I know from personal experience?
Montanaro reply :
It's not invisible and it's not low stretch. Two specific brands are low stretch and they cost $40+.
I use flouro for cranks and as a top shot for flipping and pitching. Everything else gets braid
fishballer06 reply :
I'm getting very fond of using fluoro for my deeper cranks. I'm finding that I'm getting an extra 1-2 feet deeper with my DT10's and above. Hookup ratio's are good and casting distance is very good as well. I'm using KVD Line and Lure conditioner the night before, and another shot the morning of.
jtesch reply :
GOOD fluoro treated with a quality line conditioner can be a pleasure to fish with. I have found two things to be rally careful about when using fluoro
1-although it may be very abrasion resistant it is not very shock resistant. Slack in your line when setting the hook can result in broken line.
2-I like to run my reels with little or no spool tension and this can be rough on fluro. Any little loop buried in your spool will be a broken line. Keeping the fluoro tight on the spool is very important .
kickerfish1 reply :
Yes, 90% of my outfits have this as the main line by choice.
LittleBob reply :
I use the fluoro on everything but my topwater rod and frog rod at this point.I really like it and knock on wood haven't had many issues with it so for b ow I will continue to use it. I do fish with people though that do have some of the mentioned issues.
J Francho reply :
Yes, I use it as mainline and as leader, depending on the specific situation. I find it a welcome advancement, especially that it sinks and transmits vibration.
Bruce424 reply :
Honestly, this is the first year I've used it, and besides abrasion resistance you get with it I'm really not impressed. I mean if I had the money to buy the stuff.sure I'd buy it more often, but after the spool I got, once it's empty I don't think I'll buy again. Maybe... I don't know. I think I'll just stick with copolymer or mono. Just don't think it's worth the money.
John G reply :
Yes!
Trek reply :
I use 100 percent fluorocarbon on all my flipping and spinning rods. At times it's a real pain but It's been proven to me your missing bites if your not using it. Plain and simple. I never use it as a leader either. Just learn how to use it. It's a learning curve just like a bait caster was. You'll get the hang of it and you will catch more fish on it. At first I used a lot of KVD line conditioner but now I use it sometimes but pretty much just go fishing.
ColdSVT reply :
Im minority here lol...i love it
Only three or my combos have braid the other 8 are all flouro from 12# up to 20#
My drop shot, top water and punchin rods have braid
Schuyler co reply :
Run straight flourocarbon on my jig and crank bait rigs...only issue I ever had was with a my palomar knot. Watched YouTube video by Shaw Grigsby on the knot he uses for flourocarbon and I haven't had any problems since. Love the sensitivity. Don't like messing with a leader
Logan S reply :
If you try it and don't like it...Don't force it. Maybe come back to it later down the road when you have more or different experience...When flouro was still pretty new to the market (when it was basically Vanish or nothing) I tried it and hated it. Later down the road I went back to it and was much happier. The line didn't change, I was just more experienced at that point.
I say this in every one of these threads, so I'll say it again...A huge part of the decision also depends on how much gear you have and can take on each trip. For me, all my gear rides in the rod locker so it's no big deal to have 15 or so setups to use as needed...If I was on the bank or was a co-angler my choices might be a different since the gear would need to be more universal. Something to think about...
Personally, I use flouro on most setups. I use the other line types too when they are advantageous, but the majority of my line is flouro. Most of the guys I fish against are the same way.
aprilbass101 reply :
I'm minority here as well with the fluorocarbon! Pretty much use it with all my setups (baitcasters & spinning). Minus topwater but I fine it amusing that braid users only use it for leaders! Everyone can tell you why they don't use fluorocarbon as a main line but yet it's on the end of the majority of the braid setups! Interesting I agree that some fluoro is expensive but with any fishing equipment....You pay for what you get!
FishTank reply :
I love FC. I use it almost all of my setups. I have only had one bad spool of Seagur Invisix (returned it and got the same line, no issues). The ones I like are Trilene 100% FC, Seguar Abrazx, Seagur Invizx, Seagur Red Label, Seagur Tatzu (not worth the money but great line) and BPS FC. Ones I have tried that did not like, Gamma, PLine FC (like Fluoroclear though), Spiderwire UltraCast, and Vanish (worst line I have ever used, IMHO).
My overall favorite is Invizx. This would be the line I would suggest, if you are just looking to try FC. I would also recommend some KVD line conditioner.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 4/20/2015 at 8:49 PM, livemusic said:You use a 6-16' leader. What dictates the length?
What fluorocarbon line do you like?
Considering trying a leader with my 832 Sufix. I fish in cover, throwing at Cypress trees, laydowns, vegetation, will need to be heavier line. (Not sure what to try.)
Mono I use Trilene Big Game with fluoro I use Seaguar Abrazx water clarity dictates my leader length at times sometimes I know I am going to have a lot of breakopffs when rigging and will use a longer leader to eliminate lost time tying on another. Conditions and species will determine the lbs. test I use.
Trek reply :
I guess the one thing I've never understood about using fluorocarbon as a leader is that the sensitivity you get from your bait to you is through the line. I know the pole will help with that but the main sensitivity comes from the line. That's the main reason I use fluorocarbon. It has other good qualities but the bottom line is you got to feel the bite or your going to miss to many fish. So that being said why would you use it as a leader ? Your not bringing that sensitivity back to your pole where you need it most. For me to use it as a leader I would only being getting half out of what I bought it for. I do use backing under it to help cut costs.
CRANKENSTIEN reply :
I dont trust it unless you plan on changing it often. Maybe that isn't an issue with the higher dollar brands. I prefer 10 lb pline cxx co polymer for baitcasters. It handles well, cost effective and I trust it.
Jrob78 reply :
I use fluoro on most of my set ups and don't have any problem with it. I do like using it. Using the right fluoro and tying good knots makes a huge difference.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 4/23/2015 at 5:02 AM, Trek said:I guess the one thing I've never understood about using fluorocarbon as a leader is that the sensitivity you get from your bait to you is through the line. I know the pole will help with that but the main sensitivity comes from the line. That's the main reason I use fluorocarbon. It has other good qualities but the bottom line is you got to feel the bite or your going to miss to many fish. So that being said why would you use it as a leader ? Your not bringing that sensitivity back to your pole where you need it most. For me to use it as a leader I would only being getting half out of what I bought it for. I do use backing under it to help cut costs.
Use better rods and a quality braid and you will find it very sensitive,,,, I have no problem but don't fish slack line, and most of my fishing is rigging for walleye, much shyer biting than largemouth, except when the jig bite is on!!
Jeff H reply :
I have managed to do pretty well without it. I don't need it.
WIGuide reply :
I use it for everything other than top water and on my flippin sticks. Honestly I haven't had any issues with it so apparently I'm in the minority here, but until I start having issues with it, I'm going to keep using it.
iabass8 reply :
I use it a lot.
JGBassinAL reply :
On 4/24/2015 at 2:41 AM, WIGuide said:I use it for everything other than top water and on my flippin sticks. Honestly I haven't had any issues with it so apparently I'm in the minority here, but until I start having issues with it, I'm going to keep using it.
Agreed. I don't get how all of these people are having issues with fluorocarbon???
Mike L reply :
On 4/24/2015 at 2:41 AM, WIGuide said:I use it for everything other than top water and on my flippin sticks. Honestly I haven't had any issues with it so apparently I'm in the minority here, but until I start having issues with it, I'm going to keep using it.
Ditto
Mike
illinifan4152 reply :
I use flouro for just about every application. No problems here.
jyu87 reply :
Using myself as a perfect example. Never bit into the fluorocarbon hype until I got heavy into bait casters. Now I basically only use it for all my fishing.
It basicially showed me where braid really failed. Still love the properties of braid BTW.
I still have one reel with braid but I never really needed to revert back. I love the invisible presentation of FC.
Only drawbacks I have found were some backlashes and kinks where I would cast and immediately wonder why my line snapped and there goes my lure lol. Hate when that happens.
Type of FC made a big difference as well. I used Seagur Invisx first. Switch to Sunline FC Sniper, I love it!
ChrisWi reply :
it's the people who don't do the little things like finding abrasions, not wetting knots, and not carefully picking out birdsnests.On 4/24/2015 at 10:03 AM, JGBassinAL said:Agreed. I don't get how all of these people are having issues with fluorocarbon???
J Francho reply :
That's a bit presumptuous, don't you think? There are plenty of detail oriented anglers that don't need fluorocarbon to achieve great success in fishing.
Turtle135 reply :
Personally, I just do not trust flourocarbon. Every season I watch guys I am fishing with break off average fish with fluorocarbon leaders or main line. Just not for me. I think the advantages that flouro offers does not come into play for 95% of the fishing I do.
Cgrinder reply :
I like it. I get by with straight 10 lb Red Label and a simple San Diego Jam knot.
K_Mac reply :
On 4/21/2015 at 2:18 AM, J Francho said:Yes, I use it as mainline and as leader, depending on the specific situation. I find it a welcome advancement, especially that it sinks and transmits vibration.
This pretty well sums up my thoughts. As I've said before, it works for me.
ChrisWi reply :
I didn't say that fluoro was the superior line and the only line to use, every type of line has its use and benefits.On 4/24/2015 at 11:15 PM, J Francho said:That's a bit presumptuous, don't you think? There are plenty of detail oriented anglers that don't need fluorocarbon to achieve great success in fishing.
Penguino reply :
On 4/26/2015 at 9:52 PM, ChrisWi said:I didn't say that fluoro was the superior line and the only line to use, every type of line has its use and benefits.
No, what you said was that people who have problems with fluorocarbon " don't do the little things like finding abrasions, not wetting knots, and not carefully picking out birdsnests". Personally, sticking with a higher quality of fluorocarbon is what I like. Using cheaper fluorocarbon is a big no-no for me.
Rich in Co reply :
I like it on my jig & worm rods it has served me well
RoLo reply :
Fluorocarbon has 3 negative properties I find hard to digest:
> It's almost as wiry as the titanium wire leaders I use for pike
> It has very poor knot strength
> It streeeetches
Unlike other line materials, fluorocarbon is susceptible to cellular fractures (cracking).
For this reason, the connection knot you use has a huge effect on breaking strength.
No matter how much saliva you add, the wrong knot is bound to fail.
Early on, it was the Albright knot, then the Alberto knot and now it's the No-name knot.
The 'No-name knot' is tied with a doubled line, and will generally break an 'A' knot.
Roger
Alpha Male reply :
After reading this whole thread, and the others like it, I can say that there are plenty of fishermen that eagerly buy into the propaganda associated with the fishing line industry.
Facts i have looked in to about fluoro:
Stretch - this is a joke. Like all line (that isnt braid) it stretches, some more than others, but the same goes for mono/copoly. Its up to you to do your research. I switched from invizx to P-line because of this.
Knot strength - FAR INFERIOR knot strength compared to mono/copoly (even when tied correctly) i NEVER broke off a fish with my 12lb invizx it had one of the best knot ratings on the TT tests of fluoro knots. The P-line i just switched to was far lower in the rankings and i wont lie that i am worried about it.
Smaller diameter - it does have a smaller diameter than the same strength mono/ccopoly. BUT.... Look at the tests that can be found on the web 12lb yozuri breaks at over 17lbs and invizx breaks at 11.8lbs. The 12lb yo-zuri has a diameter of .338mm and 12lb invizx has a diameter of .28mm. LESSON...rule#3 - dont believe what youre told...double check.
Fluoro sinks - this is a kind of true. I say that because technically, it does sink in a glass of water with no current, however, in the real world in a lake with current the line has such little mass that the sink rate would be measured in feet per hour. That said the fact that it does sink does exactly Zero to make your crankbait run deeper. This is achieved due to the smaller diameter.
There are plenty of other myths that i wont get into and will let everyone else duel it out on those. My opinion is that fluoro has its uses but go into the relationship knowing what the shortcomings are before hand.
Ultra7580 reply :
Flouro is awesome. It has its purpose as does braid and mono. With that being said cheap flouro is a bad idea, the higher end stuff is the only way to go. I currently use tastu and have found this line to be the best for me.
K_Mac reply :
Alpha Male your post is classic. In any discussion of line there is always at least one who will contend that all who don't agree with his/her/their position really isn't smart enough to make an informed decision. Do you really believe that all of us who use fluorocarbon are simply fooled by the marketing? Give me a break! I have used many different lines over a lot of years. I like many of the properties of fluorocarbon. I respect the opinions of those who do not care for fluorocarbon. Please give those of us who do the same respect.
Alpha Male reply :
On 4/27/2015 at 3:21 AM, K_Mac said:Alpha Male your post is classic. In any discussion of line there is always at least one who will contend that all who don't agree with his/her/their position really isn't smart enough to make an informed decision. Do you really believe that all of us who use fluorocarbon are simply fooled by the marketing? Give me a break! I have used many different lines over a lot of years. I like many of the properties of fluorocarbon. I respect the opinions of those who do not care for fluorocarbon. Please give those of us who do the same respect.
First off... I like fluoro, for certain situations. Aside from the stretch of invizx that caused me to seek other line for my fluoro needs I have yet to experience any of the negatives commonly associated with fluoro.
Secondly...there are at least 4 posts in this thread that repeat the propaganda that is printed on the box. I do not think that you or even quite a number of other members can't form your own opinions and do your research, but there have been more than a half dozen of these threads in the last month. So its seems there are more than a handful of people on this site even who read that fluoro has lower stretch than mono, that fluoro sinks and because of that it will make your crankbaits run deeper.
The purpose of my post was to inform people and the OP that fluoro has its uses but despite the gains it does have short comings when compared to other line types.
The purpose of my post was not to antagonize, bully, or insinuate that fluoro is bad line. Neither was my post meant to coerce anyone into or keep anyone from buying fluoro. I have 9 baitcasters and 7 spinning combos. Out of 16 setups 4 have straight fluoro, 5 have straight braid, 4 use braid with a fluoro leader, and the rest use mono/copoly.
I feel fishing line is like a toolbox, I use the line I "feel" is right for the job.
K_Mac reply :
Alpha Male you make a well reasoned case. I overeacted to your original post. I apologize. There are some who won't see any point of view other than their own; you clearly are not one of them. Thanks for your input.
Slipknot_Fan666 reply :
Don't like it, but I'm thinking about trying it again with some line treatment just to give it a fair chance to impress me.
rboat reply :
I tried it and did not really care for it. It does not seem very manageable, kind of stiff and easy to snap and break, needs to lay on the reel perfectly, needs extra conditioner and very carefully tied, or special knot tying. These seem like some of the little things that take a bit of the fun out of fishing. I have bought several spools of FC and may give it another try. The sinking characteristic is not a big plus because our lakes are shallow and weedy. With the majority of responses on this thread being against FC why do all the pros, like KVD, insist that FC is the best? Is it just because they are paid to sell it? I guess I am still on the fence. Mono and braid have served me well so far.
WPCfishing reply :
On 4/27/2015 at 2:11 AM, Alpha Male said:After reading this whole thread, and the others like it, I can say that there are plenty of fishermen that eagerly buy into the propaganda associated with the fishing line industry.
Facts i have looked in to about fluoro:
Stretch - this is a joke. Like all line (that isnt braid) it stretches, some more than others, but the same goes for mono/copoly. Its up to you to do your research. I switched from invizx to P-line because of this.
Knot strength - FAR INFERIOR knot strength compared to mono/copoly (even when tied correctly) i NEVER broke off a fish with my 12lb invizx it had one of the best knot ratings on the TT tests of fluoro knots. The P-line i just switched to was far lower in the rankings and i wont lie that i am worried about it.
Smaller diameter - it does have a smaller diameter than the same strength mono/ccopoly. BUT.... Look at the tests that can be found on the web 12lb yozuri breaks at over 17lbs and invizx breaks at 11.8lbs. The 12lb yo-zuri has a diameter of .338mm and 12lb invizx has a diameter of .28mm. LESSON...rule#3 - dont believe what youre told...double check.
Fluoro sinks - this is a kind of true. I say that because technically, it does sink in a glass of water with no current, however, in the real world in a lake with current the line has such little mass that the sink rate would be measured in feet per hour. That said the fact that it does sink does exactly Zero to make your crankbait run deeper. This is achieved due to the smaller diameter.
There are plenty of other myths that i wont get into and will let everyone else duel it out on those. My opinion is that fluoro has its uses but go into the relationship knowing what the shortcomings are before hand.
Which P-Line did you switch to? I tried the Floroclear yesterday. Not a bad line but it doesn't cast like Invisx and the feel for my baits were reduced considerably. Especially my jigs. I'm going to try the CXX. I have a strong feeling I'll be sicking with Flouro.
Alpha Male reply :
On 4/27/2015 at 9:58 PM, WPCfishing said:Which P-Line did you switch to? I tried the Floroclear yesterday. Not a bad line but it doesn't cast like Invisx and the feel for my baits were reduced considerably. Especially my jigs. I'm going to try the CXX. I have a strong feeling I'll be sicking with Flouro.
I switched to P-line 100% fluorocarbon. According to TT it has half of the stretch of invizx, unfortunately I didnt see the knot strength chart or i might have went with 15lb instead of 12. But I will give it a shot.
Also Fluoroclear and CXX are copoly lines, I do have some 20lb CXX, but I just wanted to try it because of how strong it is.
WPCfishing reply :
As I said I use Seaguar Invisx, Prior I was using Stren mono. I'm not looking back. The Invizx cast better and the feedback from my baits is 100% better.
12lb for everything but worming and jigging. I use 20lb. I'd like to try Tatsu but the cost is just to high. If anyone out there is using Tatsu let me know what you think of it.
I do have some cxx coming, I'd cancel the order if I could.
WPCfishing reply :
On 4/27/2015 at 2:56 AM, Ultra7580 said:Flouro is awesome. It has its purpose as does braid and mono. With that being said cheap flouro is a bad idea, the higher end stuff is the only way to go. I currently use tastu and have found this line to be the best for me.
Tell me more about Tatsu if you have a minute. I'd like to try it but the cost is holding me back. Maybe you can tell me something that will spark me.
Alpha Male reply :
On 4/27/2015 at 11:36 PM, WPCfishing said:As I said I use Seaguar Invisx, Prior I was using Stren mono. I'm not looking back. The Invizx cast better and the feedback from my baits is 100% better.
12lb for everything but worming and jigging. I use 20lb. I'd like to try Tatsu but the cost is just to high. If anyone out there is using Tatsu let me know what you think of it.
I do have some cxx coming, I'd cancel the order if I could.
Its still worth having some CXX just be aware that its not true Fluoro. I think that next year I will try Sunline shooter. it supposedly has the lowest stretch out of any fluoro according to TT. and average knot strength
WPCfishing reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 1:19 AM, Alpha Male said:Its still worth having some CXX just be aware that its not true Fluoro. I think that next year I will try Sunline shooter. it supposedly has the lowest stretch out of any fluoro according to TT. and average knot strength
I had planned on buying Sunline Reaction but they only offered a 200 yard spools. I wanted the 1000 so I could save some money. I went with the Seaguar for that reason.
J Francho reply :
Just so we're clear...
CX and Fluoroclear are fluoro coated
CXX is a copolymer
InvisX is fluoro 100% as is P-Line 100% Fluoro
Tatsu is two fluorocarbon formulas extruded as one - think "co fluoro" like "copoly"
Alonerankin2 reply :
Flourocarbon sink rates at feet per hour? Really?
That might be a interesting side note, but it's useless info.. Everybody fishes with some weight tied to the line, as much as I'm not a fan of FC..
It works fine throwing unweighted trick worms rigged wacky.. The combo sinks, soo.. Not sure why this point matters. Bottom line, you got to get your own hands dirty to know positively one way or another on ANY line...
J Francho reply :
You only need to see someone fish a bottom bait in a tank with braid and then fluoro and then nylon to see why that "sinking" characteristic is an advantage. Float lines have pretty significant bow in them that takes about a minute to straighten out, and braid will never straighten if you keep moving it. Fluoro doesn't do that. I once watched a "local pro" doing a demo with a drop shot explaining how sensitive it was. And he couldn't feel the double digit steelhead in the tank shacking his bait over and over as it dropped to the bottom. It was funny, I asked him if he felt it and he said not at all. Pretty funny.
livemusic reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 2:06 AM, J Francho said:I once watched a "local pro" doing a demo with a drop shot explaining how sensitive it was. And he couldn't feel the double digit steelhead in the tank shacking his bait over and over as it dropped to the bottom. It was funny, I asked him if he felt it and he said not at all. Pretty funny.
He was using what line? And what does shacking mean, biting the bait? And steelhead, you mean trout?
Smalliesrule reply :
On 4/19/2015 at 11:30 AM, livemusic said:Why do you like it? I've never used it. Thinking of adding a leader to my braid but I might try fluorocarbon on its own just to try it. My buddy tried it, didn't like it.
Not really..P-Line CXX is what I choose all the time.
Ultra7580 reply :
On 4/27/2015 at 11:41 PM, WPCfishing said:Out of a few fluorocarbon lines that I've tried I've found it to be the best for spinning reels. I use it for drop shoting, casting light lipless cranks, jerkbaits and even dragging some tubes. It's very sensitive as well as durable. I havnt lost any lures with tastu. I wouldn't go heavier than 8lb with a spinning reel tho. Anything heavier will start to cool off when casting. I use 8lb because I drag tubes with it also.
Tell me more about Tatsu if you have a minute. I'd like to try it but the cost is holding me back. Maybe you can tell me something that will spark me.
RoLo reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 2:06 AM, J Francho said:You only need to see someone fish a bottom bait in a tank with braid and then fluoro and then nylon to see why that "sinking" characteristic is an advantage. Float lines have pretty significant bow in them that takes about a minute to straighten out, and braid will never straighten if you keep moving it. Fluoro doesn't do that. I once watched a "local pro" doing a demo with a drop shot explaining how sensitive it was. And he couldn't feel the double digit steelhead in the tank shacking his bait over and over as it dropped to the bottom. It was funny, I asked him if he felt it and he said not at all. Pretty funny.
I agree John, fluorocarbon has the best slack-line telegraphy of any line material.
I may be wrong, but I believe this has more to with fluoro's inherent density rather than reduced line-belly.
IMO, line belly is the result of water resistance, therefore the line with the fattest diameter
generates the most water resistance and the largest bow in the line. For example, when a lure
is cranked or trolled the line is constantly taut. In this situation, the lure tied to braided line (a thin knife)
will run deeper than the same lure tied to fluorocarbon. In other words, the fact that fluoro
is heavier than water is quickly overridden by its greater diameter and greater water resistance.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Roger
J Francho reply :
What I saw was almost no belly in fluoro. Yes, through the acrylic tank you can see the fluoro. What happens with other line, really especially with braid, is that the line, even on a short cast, follows the weight straight down, as if it were draped over something at the point of entry, no matter how far from the caster. If diameter were the only factor, then it would far less apparent with the far smaller diameter braid. I believe the demonstrator was using 10# Power Pro. He did have a fluoro leader, but it wasn't but a couple feet long and had no effect.
Now that doesn't mean I'm against braid for drop shot, in fact I've written about using that very setup in a few columns here in our articles section, but it's more of a shallow tool. Deep drops, where I probably won't be perfectly vertical - guess what, you almost never are when you're on big water, and dropping bait over the side as is commonly held - I will use straight fluoro over anything else. It's my preference and my system I've worked out for catching fish this way leverages that direct and straight line connection from hook point to rod tip.
That said, fluoro makes up the smallest percentage of line used. Two cranking rigs out of six all day, and four of my five dedicated drop shot rigs. The rest are a mix of everything, except old school nylon mono, though I have been known to slap some Siege on a reel from time to time.
salt2fresh 95 reply :
I think its a great leader for targeting reds and speckled trout, I just started trying to use very light flouro on a spinning set up for bass. So far I like it.
RoLo reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 11:00 AM, J Francho said:especially with braid, is that the line, even on a short cast, follows the weight straight down,
as if it were draped over something at the point of entry, no matter how far from the caster.
As you mentioned in the tank example, the line-belly in braid wasn't due to line diameter,
but was caused by the buoyancy of braid. I agree with that.
In order to give an example when line diameter does make a difference, I deviated from your tank example
and compared braid & fluoro on taut lines, as when 'cranking' or 'trolling'. Fluoro is heavier than water
so many believe that its heavier diameter actually helps fluoro to run deeper. For comparison sake,
we have two identical diving plugs, we tie one on 15-lb braid (0.007") the other on 15-lb fluoro (0.015").
Both lures are trolled on flat lines, at the same speed and same distance astern.
My only point is that the lure tied to braid will be running significantly deeper than the lure tied to fluoro.
The difference is due to the finer diameter and lower water-resistance of braid.
I'm sure bottom-drifting produces the same result as trolling. That is to say, a bottom rig tied to 15-lb fluoro
requires a lot heavier sinker to hold bottom, than the same rig on 15-lb braid.
Roger
J Francho reply :
Thing is, we don't use 15# fluoro for that, so it's not a fair comparison. I'll be going out looking for line class records with line as small as 2#. Most are spoiled with 6# line for everyday use, not 15#. No one would use that for what I'm describing.
ww2farmer reply :
As main line, no. As leader material, yes.
RoLo reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 9:30 PM, J Francho said:Thing is, we don't use 15# fluoro for that, so it's not a fair comparison. I'll be going out looking for line class records with line as small as 2#. Most are spoiled with 6# line for everyday use, not 15#. No one would use that for what I'm describing.
The number "15" is arbitrary, it can be substituted with any number.
For a fair comparison, both numbers should be the same because I'm comparing line materials based on pound-test
My only point being, a lure towed on braid will run deeper than the same lure towed on double-wide fluorocarbon
Roger
J Francho reply :
Not in the example I detailed, using the materials I outlined. You can change the parameters all you want to suit your opinions, it doesn't change facts.
RoLo reply :
On 4/29/2015 at 3:03 AM, J Francho said:Not in the example I detailed, using the materials I outlined. You can change the parameters all you want to suit your opinions, it doesn't change facts.
John, I didn't disagree with your example and stated that I agreed with you.
I also said that I was deviating from your tank example, in other words, I was moving on to another point regarding flouro.
If I changed any parameters, they belonged to my example, not your example.
In any case, I thought I made that clear, but apparently I didn't.
Roger
masterbass reply :
The jury is still out for me on fluoro. I've been using braid w/leaders for everything, but I'm giving fluoro and copoly a try this year. I fish a lot of senkos and light t rigs so I would think fluoro's slack line sensitivity and sinking properties should be perfect. I rigged up a steez 103 with 10lb sniper and I swear I couldn't cast without fluff or all out overrun. If there was the slightest breeze in my face or if I did any type of slinging cast it got ugly. I got frustrated enough to remove it and spool up some 30lb pp. The steez was back to being happy again. I'll keep fluoro on the sv spool though because it was much more tame. Does anyone have any tips on using fluoro on a steez 103? I guess the spool is just too fast for me.
kickerfish1 reply :
I guess more importantly I am greatful to have line options to choose from. Back in the day it used to be almost exclusively Triline and Stren dominating 90% of the market. Now we have dozens of brands and at least a half a dozen line options.
Flourocarbon
Flourocarbon coated
Copolymer
Monofillament
Braid
Etc...
If you have multiple setups pick the line that best suits your needs that you feel is best or ideal for that presentation.
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