2020 Shimano Metanium Thread 2024
Chief250 reply :
I know some info has been in the bantam vs metanium thread but I thought we could update future info here. I searched so if there's already a thread please delete this. I know the reel test on YouTube has had some pictures that were posted here. I'm currently actually wondering what differences there may be,especially since the jdm metanium mgl can be had now under $300 usd
Big-Bass reply :
The big fishing show in Japan I believe starts on the 17th so I am sure in a few days there will be lots of details on all the new stuff.
Not_Here reply :
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The Bassman reply :
Read it was going to use the core solid frame like the Bantam but in a lighter package.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 1/13/2020 at 4:25 AM, The Bassman said:Read it was going to use the core solid frame like the Bantam but in a lighter package.
Count me in
fishballer06 reply :
If it's a core frame like the Bantam, but it's stretched out like the Met MGL, then I'll probably be selling a few reels and replacing them with these.
Chief250 reply :
On 1/13/2020 at 9:50 PM, fishballer06 said:If it's a core frame like the Bantam, but it's stretched out like the Met MGL, then I'll probably be selling a few reels and replacing them with these.
I agree. Stretching out the bantam is the only thing keeping me from buying more
The Maestro reply :
They probably did the core solid body in magnesium to keep the weight down and kept the bigger frame and spool capacity to differentiate it from the Bantam. Maybe added a couple of bearings more than the Bantam also.
bwjay reply :
On 1/13/2020 at 11:31 PM, The Maestro said:They probably did the core solid body in magnesium to keep the weight down and kept the bigger frame and spool capacity to differentiate it from the Bantam. Maybe added a couple of bearings more than the Bantam also.
You think they'd add more bearings if they wanted to keep weight down? If they won't even put brass gears, more bearings sounds silly.
Maico1 reply :
It will have a brass main gear....
The Maestro reply :
On 1/13/2020 at 11:52 PM, bwjay said:You think they'd add more bearings if they wanted to keep weight down? If they won't even put brass gears, more bearings sounds silly.
It was just a guess. Calm down.
JLewis134 reply :
On 1/13/2020 at 11:56 PM, Maico1 said:It will have a brass main gear....
Leaked information is not always accurate. For example, remember when everyone thought the SLX MGL was coming to the US last year? It never happened. I have heard some info saying it won't be brass but some saying it will be. We will know shortly for sure
Efishin reply :
I asked my local dealer and he wasn't sure about the gears. So it must be secret lol
Maico1 reply :
You boys crack me up.....how about some pictures.....https://kenshikuroda.com/tackleno_iroha/12616/?fbclid=IwAR3aqzNEOdGxeOEXMPhqnVti7PY7zIfWK9P5MxOiFpLctWGaIzJZJeEU9ro
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 12:06 AM, Maico1 said:You boys crack me up.....how about some pictures.....https://kenshikuroda.com/tackleno_iroha/12616/?fbclid=IwAR3aqzNEOdGxeOEXMPhqnVti7PY7zIfWK9P5MxOiFpLctWGaIzJZJeEU9ro
Shimano can just take my money, take it all I say. 
fishballer06 reply :
Pictures have dropped.
Left: Metanium MGL aluminum gear
Right: 2020 Metanium brass gear
Left: 2020 Metanium
Right: Metanium MGL
The Maestro reply :
Are there any engineers or fabrication experts here? I did a bit of CNC many moons ago and was trying to figure out how they made the one piece frame. Is it machined from a solid block or do they use a mold?
STBen1215 reply :
I'm going to have a full deck of them! Im going to buy them up lol
TBAG reply :
Wow, this is going to be a home run!
STBen1215 reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 12:47 AM, TBAG said:Wow, this is going to be a home run!
Definitely! ????
Not_Here reply :
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The Maestro reply :
Looks like about the same size as the Bantam with the line guide a bit further away. Curious to know what other differences there are.
Dwight Hottle reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 12:06 AM, Maico1 said:You boys crack me up.....how about some pictures.....https://kenshikuroda.com/tackleno_iroha/12616/?fbclid=IwAR3aqzNEOdGxeOEXMPhqnVti7PY7zIfWK9P5MxOiFpLctWGaIzJZJeEU9ro
Translate this & read it. I think it answers your questions.
Chief250 reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 12:15 AM, fishballer06 said:Pictures have dropped.
Left: Metanium MGL aluminum gear
Right: 2020 Metanium brass gear
Left: 2020 Metanium
Right: Metanium MGL
Oh my!
The Maestro reply :
Chief250 reply :
Any idea if it will follow the JDM pricing of the current metanium? Currently you can import those for right around $100 less than the US version. Also, any insight on if it's a US, JDM or both reel
bwjay reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 7:16 AM, Chief250 said:Any idea if it will follow the JDM pricing of the current metanium? Currently you can import those for right around $100 less than the US version. Also, any insight on if it's a US, JDM or both reel
You can probably assume it will be cheaper via JDM than USDM, and there is a 0% chance they DON'T bring this to the US. This is a big deal flagship reel.
Hartwood71 reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 4:21 AM, The Maestro said:
Great post. Thanks. Informative. See if/how it translates to US. The weight trade off for the gear upgrade seems smart. I see another box showing up at my door - and another raised eyebrow from my wife.
18RangerZ520L reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 8:22 AM, Hartwood71 said:I see another box showing up at my door - and another raised eyebrow from my wife.
+1
TBAG reply :
I was planning on buying a few Curado DC reels before Spring but I'm having second thoughts.
I might buy a few of these instead.
When do you think we'll see a release date on LH models? I know the LH retrieve Shimano models are always a few months behind the RH.
Chief250 reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 9:11 PM, TBAG said:I was planning on buying a few Curado DC reels before Spring but I'm having second thoughts.
I might buy a few of these instead.
When do you think we'll see a release date on LH models? I know the LH retrieve Shimano models are always a few months behind the RH.
This drives me INSANE. Why should us normal guys be punished while a bunch of right handed weirdos switch hands after every cast? 
Diggy reply :
The Maestro reply :
It basically just looks like a magnesium Bantam. Not that that's a bad thing. I absolutely love my Bantams and would love one of these for my Expride. I just wonder how much more they're going to charge for probably ~1oz less weight than the Bantam.
Maico1 reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 9:11 PM, TBAG said:I was planning on buying a few Curado DC reels before Spring but I'm having second thoughts.
I might buy a few of these instead.
When do you think we'll see a release date on LH models? I know the LH retrieve Shimano models are always a few months behind the RH.
March right hand May left hand.
From what I can see the list is 44,100 yen same as the 16.....if that holds true you would be able not get it shipped for around 289.
Chief250 reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 11:35 PM, Maico1 said:March right hand May left hand.
From what I can see the list is 44,100 yen same as the 16.....if that holds true you would be able not get it shipped for around 289.
Digitaka lists the current metanium mgl for 31,800 yen which is around $289. Maybe they reduced the price of the current metanium? I believe it's been around that price for awhile. You've been able to get the metanium mgl on ebay for $300 for at least a year.
Maico1 reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 11:46 PM, Chief250 said:Digitaka lists the current metanium mgl for 31,800 yen which is around $289. Maybe they reduced the price of the current metanium? I believe it's been around that price for awhile. You've been able to get the metanium mgl on ebay for $300 for at least a year.
Go back and read it again...The list is 44,100 at Digitaka what they sell it for is 31,800.
Chief250 reply :
On 1/15/2020 at 12:01 AM, Maico1 said:Go back and read it again...The list is 44,100 at Digitaka what they sell it for is 31,800.
I guess what I mean is I care about what I can pay for it. Not what is lists for.
STBen1215 reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 7:16 AM, Chief250 said:Any idea if it will follow the JDM pricing of the current metanium? Currently you can import those for right around $100 less than the US version. Also, any insight on if it's a US, JDM or both reel
$299-$319 was achievable as the reel was 4-5 years old. Plus, people knew a new reel was coming. When it comes out, there won't be as good of deals.... I tried already hahahahaha. There will be a ton of demand for the reels. Over time and the reel has been out longer, prices will go down. It will be an awesome reel though
FrogMann reply :
On 1/15/2020 at 12:16 AM, STBen1215 said:$299-$319 was achievable as the reel was 4-5 years old. Plus, people knew a new reel was coming. When it comes out, there won't be as good of deals.... I tried already hahahahaha. There will be a ton of demand for the reels. Over time and the reel has been out longer, prices will go down. It will be an awesome reel though
Probably right. It all depends on how well the will sell. We will just have to wait and see
TBAG reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 10:25 PM, Chief250 said:This drives me INSANE. Why should us normal guys be punished while a bunch of right handed weirdos switch hands after every cast?
Haha, yeah I agree. ????
On 1/14/2020 at 11:35 PM, Maico1 said:March right hand May left hand.
From what I can see the list is 44,100 yen same as the 16.....if that holds true you would be able not get it shipped for around 289.
Thanks, well looks like I'll be grabbing a few Curado DC's as I can't wait until May. I'll try and get a Metanium early summer.
bwjay reply :
Funny that anyone would expect a brand new reel to cost what a 4 year old reel eventually got dropped to. If it wasn't clear, the current JDM price on 16 Mets is crazy low and a lot lower than what it initially retailed for. Wishful thinking for sure..... guaranteed it will not be $300 right out of the gate. More like $400. Sorry guys.
fishballer06 reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 11:21 PM, The Maestro said:I just wonder how much more they're going to charge for probably ~1oz less weight than the Bantam.
I bet it holds the same price point that we've always seen the Metanium at ~$420
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 1/15/2020 at 3:06 AM, fishballer06 said:I bet it holds the same price point that we've always seen the Metanium at ~$420
I was thinking the same, but maybe they can get it to $400 - $410
Dwight Hottle reply :
On 1/15/2020 at 2:57 AM, bwjay said:Funny that anyone would expect a brand new reel to cost what a 4 year old reel eventually got dropped to. If it wasn't clear, the current JDM price on 16 Mets is crazy low and a lot lower than what it initially retailed for. Wishful thinking for sure..... guaranteed it will not be $300 right out of the gate. More like $400. Sorry guys.
It's listed as 44100 JPY which equals $401
jbsoonerfan reply :
And now the 2020 Zodias is going to have the monocoque grip like the Poison Arena sports. Geez, it's going to be a rough Spring on the wallet. LOL
Also releasing an SLX DC
kayaking_kev reply :
The timing is perfect, I was almost ready to order a 16 Met MGL, but I'll think I'll wait.
Chief250 reply :
On 1/15/2020 at 7:40 AM, kayaking_kev said:The timing is perfect, I was almost ready to order a 16 Met MGL, but I'll think I'll wait.
Same here, just wondering if I should wait pay over $100 more for the 2020 version. The current one is amazing.
FrogMann reply :
On 1/15/2020 at 10:28 AM, Chief250 said:Same here, just wondering if I should wait pay over $100 more for the 2020 version. The current one is amazing.
It will be worth it!!!!
browne762 reply :
Anybody have a source on getting brass gears for the 16 model? I have not had any issues, but wouldn't mind grabbing a couple sets.
18RangerZ520L reply :
Wonder what gear ratios will be offered on the 2020, Shimano's website is only showing one, 6.2:1
Maico1 reply :
On 1/15/2020 at 8:55 PM, browne762 said:Anybody have a source on getting brass gears for the 16 model? I have not had any issues, but wouldn't mind grabbing a couple sets.
You can get them from Tackle Trap for around 50 bucks includes brass main and pinion gear along with carbontex washers.......https://tackletrap.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=898_792_793
On 1/15/2020 at 9:04 PM, 18RangerZ520L said:Wonder what gear ratios will be offered on the 2020, Shimano's website is only showing one, 6.2:1
Normal 6.2 HG 7.1 and XG 8.1.......
fishballer06 reply :
On 1/15/2020 at 9:21 PM, Maico1 said:You can get them from Tackle Trap for around 50 bucks includes brass main and pinion gear along with carbontex washers.......https://tackletrap.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=898_792_793
Looks like they got more of them in stock. I needed a set about a month ago and they were sold out of LH gears.
I ended up buying a new Curado K, swapping out the gears, and then selling off the Curado with the stock Metanium gears in it.
The Maestro reply :
On 1/15/2020 at 8:55 PM, browne762 said:Anybody have a source on getting brass gears for the 16 model? I have not had any issues, but wouldn't mind grabbing a couple sets.
Edit - already answered
Edited by The Maestrobrowne762 reply :
On 1/15/2020 at 9:21 PM, Maico1 said:You can get them from Tackle Trap for around 50 bucks includes brass main and pinion gear along with carbontex washers.......https://tackletrap.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=898_792_793
Happen to know of another place? I need the 8.5 RH and they are sold out. :-(
The Maestro reply :
Not_Here reply :
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The Maestro reply :
On 1/16/2020 at 1:59 AM, Frog Turds said:theres a new 7 4H Adrena 3/8th-2oz model, im gonna be on that one...see the highlighted list at about the 7:19 mark...
Have you used the 7'3" MH? Curious as to what their "regular fast" action fishes like.
Not_Here reply :
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The Maestro reply :
On 1/16/2020 at 2:38 AM, Frog Turds said:no i havent, but what i've gathered is that the regular fast is a bit faster than a MF but slower than a fast...
Thanks. That's what I've heard too. I've also heard the Adrena's are a bit softer and more parabolic than some people were used to. I guess when you're trying to make a super light blank you have to compromise a bit on the stoutness or the type of action that really hits hard when you set.
Not_Here reply :
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The Maestro reply :
On 1/16/2020 at 4:34 AM, Frog Turds said:thats partially why i had been a bit hesitant and also wasnt really a model in the previous releases that the light bulb went off for me with knowing my needs/uses until now...im definitely game for that 7 4, no hesitation with that stick for me...
should just rename this thread to; New 2020 Shimano Release's ????
Yeah I'm a big fan of Shimano gear but I'm also very particular about the action of rods for specific applications. It's a bit less of a gamble with reels but rods can vary a lot and I prefer a faster action with a hard hitting backbone for pitching in the weeds, which is what I'm doing most of the time if I'm fishing for largemouth.
offsidewing reply :
Expect to pay full retail on JDM pre-orders. With patience and timing, street price will likely be in the low $300s even at launch. In the past new reels have launched at street prices. That being said this is - for all intents and purpose - a Core 70. I wouldn't be surprised if street price is full retail.
Hartwood71 reply :
This should also creat a great opp to get previous generation Metaniums at very affordable levels as people make room for this generation.
bunz559 reply :
Just when I thought I had a solid collection of Metanium MGL's, Shimano releases this... I'll never be cool enough, just broke.
onenutinthewater reply :
On 1/17/2020 at 6:26 AM, bunz559 said:Just when I thought I had a solid collection of Metanium MGL's, Shimano releases this... I'll never be cool enough, just broke.
????
Just when I thought I would stick with daiwa from here on out first the bantam which I LOVE and now i suppose i had better try this................
18RangerZ520L reply :
On 1/17/2020 at 6:26 AM, bunz559 said:Just when I thought I had a solid collection of Metanium MGL's, Shimano releases this... I'll never be cool enough, just broke.
Same here... I'm selling all 10 of my Metanium MGL XG's for the new 2020's.
Maico1 reply :
https://www.digitaka.com/item.php?item=4969363041166
bwjay reply :
On 1/18/2020 at 12:18 AM, Maico1 said:https://www.digitaka.com/item.php?item=4969363041166
What the heck is that price!? They're tryna get me to buy 2!!
mrpao reply :
Not a bad price for $315, give or take a little due to the exchange rate.
Digitaka normally has great prices.
Might have to pick up at least two when they become available.
Chief250 reply :
On 1/16/2020 at 7:28 AM, offsidewing said:Expect to pay full retail on JDM pre-orders. With patience and timing, street price will likely be in the low $300s even at launch. In the past new reels have launched at street prices. That being said this is - for all intents and purpose - a Core 70. I wouldn't be surprised if street price is full retail.
Told you
On 1/18/2020 at 3:09 AM, mrpao said:Not a bad price for $315, give or take a little due to the exchange rate.
Digitaka normally has great prices.
Might have to pick up at least two when they become available.
Does this mean the current metanium will go down to $200? LET'S HOPE SO
KP Duty reply :
Digitaka is forcing buyers to use paypal, where you receive a horrible exchange rate, or pay a 5% CC processing fee. I'm getting ready to order a couple of reels, and am looking at going with Japan Lure Shop or JPangler, which are also great sites I've ordered from before. They just dont seem to get the stock digitaka does.
18RangerZ520L reply :
I'm getting the US version for $330/each since I'm buying in bulk...
NHBull reply :
On 1/15/2020 at 8:55 PM, browne762 said:Anybody have a source on getting brass gears for the 16 model? I have not had any issues, but wouldn't mind grabbing a couple sets.
Tackle trap......just converted 8
I am glad everyone is talking Met......will leave more of the new Antares for me????
newyorktoiowa57 reply :
On 1/16/2020 at 1:59 AM, Frog Turds said:theres a new 7 4H Adrena 3/8th-2oz model, im gonna be on that one...see the highlighted list at about the 7:19 mark...
I’m all over that one too. Paired up with the new Met XG, Gonna be my new frogging stock.
bwjay reply :
On 1/19/2020 at 3:06 AM, newyorktoiowa57 said:I’m all over that one too. Paired up with the new Met XG, Gonna be my new frogging stock.
That's a lot for a frog rod... you could get an Expride 73XH and be almost as light and almost as sensitive, for $80 less. And I don't need the sensitivity, I just want the lightness. I will use it for flipping too so sensitivity is good but you don't need a ton of sensitivity for flipping either.
Chief250 reply :
On 1/19/2020 at 7:19 AM, bwjay said:That's a lot for a frog rod... you could get an Expride 73XH and be almost as light and almost as sensitive, for $80 less. And I don't need the sensitivity, I just want the lightness. I will use it for flipping too so sensitivity is good but you don't need a ton of sensitivity for flipping either.
The 7'3 XH expride is ridiculous
Chief250 reply :
On 1/19/2020 at 7:19 AM, bwjay said:That's a lot for a frog rod... you could get an Expride 73XH and be almost as light and almost as sensitive, for $80 less. And I don't need the sensitivity, I just want the lightness. I will use it for flipping too so sensitivity is good but you don't need a ton of sensitivity for flipping either.
newyorktoiowa57 reply :
On 1/19/2020 at 7:19 AM, bwjay said:That's a lot for a frog rod... you could get an Expride 73XH and be almost as light and almost as sensitive, for $80 less. And I don't need the sensitivity, I just want the lightness. I will use it for flipping too so sensitivity is good but you don't need a ton of sensitivity for flipping either.
If it is as stout as that 73XH Expride I will need to look elsewhere for a new frog rod anyway
Not_Here reply :
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bwjay reply :
On 1/20/2020 at 4:17 AM, Frog Turds said:that adrena isnt going to be as stout as the XH at all...2 different sticks really, that adrena will be a softer & slower stick compared...
The Expride 73XH is rated for 1/2oz to 2oz. The Poison Adrena 74H is rated for 3/8oz to 2oz. If you think it won't be stout, you're kidding yourself. It's a ModFast taper so yes it will be slower, but it will still have a lot of backbone.
Not_Here reply :
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NathanDLTH reply :
Here I am trying to decide between this or the Zillion 10 lol!
fishballer06 reply :
On 1/20/2020 at 8:00 AM, NathanDLTH said:Here I am trying to decide between this or the Zillion 10 lol!
Buy both and give us all an honest review.
Sincerely,
Bait Monkey
Nathan.bass.canada reply :
On 1/14/2020 at 12:32 AM, The Maestro said:Are there any engineers or fabrication experts here? I did a bit of CNC many moons ago and was trying to figure out how they made the one piece frame. Is it machined from a solid block or do they use a mold?
Not yet an engineer but not that far off.... to me looks like a lost wax or another type of precision molding with a few machining touches afterwards....
nathan
NathanDLTH reply :
On 1/20/2020 at 9:44 PM, fishballer06 said:Buy both and give us all an honest review.
Sincerely,
Bait Monkey
Lol that’s like 700 and change there sir! Don’t tempt me lol! Man! Ugh!
Diggy reply :
fishballer06 reply :
On 1/21/2020 at 9:16 AM, NathanDLTH said:Lol that’s like 700 and change there sir! Don’t tempt me lol! Man! Ugh!
That's like, what, 3 hours at the mall for your wife? You deserve these reels.
~Bait Monkey
NathanDLTH reply :
On 1/21/2020 at 9:23 PM, fishballer06 said:That's like, what, 3 hours at the mall for your wife? You deserve these reels.
~Bait Monkey
Lol I’m not married, so let me guess you’re gonna push me further into the pit lol!
Johnbt reply :
Yeah, Shimano got my money for 2 of their flagship Met MGL's.
"the Shimano Metanium MGL Casting Reel is in a league of its own." - Shimano
"Delivering advanced tournament caliber performance for a range of bass fishing applications" - Shimano
I think I'll wait a year or two and see what they screwed up on the new one. I'm afraid they've gotten a bit too sloppy, or slipshod, or something, but it's not a good way to treat your customers. Did anyone at Shimano actually fish the Met MGL's hard for a year before they put them on the market?
"Oops." - Shimano's new marketing phrase.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 1/22/2020 at 6:34 AM, Johnbt said:Yeah, Shimano got my money for 2 of their flagship Met MGL's.
"the Shimano Metanium MGL Casting Reel is in a league of its own." - Shimano
"Delivering advanced tournament caliber performance for a range of bass fishing applications" - Shimano
I think I'll wait a year or two and see what they screwed up on the new one. I'm afraid they've gotten a bit too sloppy, or slipshod, or something, but it's not a good way to treat your customers. Did anyone at Shimano actually fish the Met MGL's hard for a year before they put them on the market?
"Oops." - Shimano's new marketing phrase.
What was wrong with the Met MGL's?
Andrew Vargas reply :
Alum gears that's what wrong that's it. I'll jus upgrade to brass one day if I need to wont be getting the new one
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