Lets talk cheap gear 2024
Glaucus reply :
Time and time again many people in our community of fishermen turn their nose up at cheap gear. I started on cheap gear. Most of us probably did. These days I'm so biased towards Fenwick and Daiwa, but I do branch out. My first casting setup eons ago was a Lightning Rod paired with a Silver Max, 6'6" M/MF. I threw the heck out of squarebills and lipless crankbaits with it. Today most of my setups will run me from a modest $150 upwards to a more pricey tag of $450. Because I've advanced to needing more sensitive, durable, and technique driven gear, as most of us have. But to THIS DAY, my squarebills and lipless crankbaits are primarily fished on Lightning Rods and Silver Maxs. Simple reason is that it fishes those baits so well. Nothing has felt as good to ME, that didn't put a serious hole in the pocket. I think the ego and pride of some people are so astounding that it becomes about not how something fishes or how something feels, but about how much they can say it costs. Sometimes the perfect tool for you does not cost that much.
Inspired by a guy on a Facebook post who was pooping on another guys sub 100 dollar gear as if it was the worst thing ever and won't and can't possibly catch fish.
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 8:37 AM, Glaucus said:Sometimes the perfect tool for you does not cost that much.
Agreed here. My finesse rod is a Mitchell Avocet RZ-2000 on an ML/F Avocet rod. Does everything I need it to and the total cost was $40.
CrankFate reply :
I agree. Especially now. You can get a totally awesome setup for $200-250. I’ve been playing with one for a couple weeks. New Tatula 100 on a 6’ 6” BPS Crankin Stick. About $225 for the combo (I added $25 for a totally not necessary bearing upgrade from Boca + SmoothDrag, to get a more refined feel).
I usually use rods 150 and under, because there’s usually no point to spending more, if you feel enough rods. Plus I love soft, parabolic, backbone free rods, there aren’t many as you go up in price. I use braid and set hooks like Happy Gilmore, so I can’t use the super fast hyper backbone rods that are all the rage these days.
Glaucus reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 8:46 AM, MN Fisher said:Agreed here. My finesse rod is a Mitchell Avocet RZ-2000 on an ML/F Avocet rod. Does everything I need it to and the total cost was $40.
First time I ever tried a Ned Rig I didn't have something suitable for it. I picked up a Pflueger Monarch combo for 50 bucks to see what that bait was all about. Went an entire season of slaying fish. Now I will say that that combo did not old up and I would never buy it again, but it did its job for a season and taught me how to fish a Ned Rig. Never failed me on a fish. The cheap plastic reel just started grinding horribly and I gave it to a buddy who can't afford more than one setup.
BassWhole! reply :
A lot of guys like to collect high end tackle, and there is certainly nothing wrong with that. The sad part, and you see it here as well as other places is where folks with little or no experience buy into the "you have to have high end gear or you won't catch fish" mentality. On the other hand, you do want to stay away from the really cheap stuff. The 3rd or 4th item in a line usually offers the best bang for the buck.
Mobasser reply :
I fished with a friend years ago who only used Berkeley Cherrywood rods. His catches were good. He just didn't see the need to spend a ton of money on tackle. He actually won 1rst place in a club tournament we had against another club. He never worried about it. If one of these rods broke, he marched right into Wal Mart and exchanged it for another one
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 8:54 AM, reason said:The 3rd or 4th item in a line usually offers the best bang for the buck.
Exactly right. The RZ is the 3rd in the Avocet line after the R and the R-FS. Held up last year for Ned rigs, Drop Shots, 1/16oz Texas rigs and #2 and #3 Mepps Aguilas and Comets. This winter, after a cleaning and re-lube/oil - spins like it was brand new again.
Bluebasser86 reply :
I like nice stuff, but I bought most of my nicer stuff before I had a family to support. Now I get the less expensive where I can and really don't notice a drop off in production.
jbsoonerfan reply :
In my younger days I had Cores, Chronarchs, Steezes, etc. Now I am using Denali Fission rods, a couple Citicas, a Scorpion and a Curado.
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 9:18 AM, jbsoonerfan said:In my younger days I had Cores, Chronarchs, Steezes, etc. Now I am using Denali Fission rods, a couple Citicas, a Scorpion and a Curado.
I think we're talking even less than that. My best setup is my new Fuego CT on an Aird-X - and that rig together cost what your Citica without a rod does. My #2 rig is a President on an Aird-X - and that rig was under $100
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 9:25 AM, MN Fisher said:I think we're talking even less than that. My best setup is my new Fuego CT on an Aird-X - and that rig together cost what your Citica without a rod does. My #2 rig is a President on an Aird-X - and that rig was under $100
My bad, I will see my way out of the thread.
slonezp reply :
Cheap gear you say? I have caught more fish (not necessarily bass) on a Shakespeare ultralight spinning rig that I caught. Yes, I caught the spinning combo a few years back on a jig. I dried it out, oiled it up and it has been very good to me. I'd bet I have caught a thousand panfish in the last 3 years on that combo.
Vilas15 reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 8:37 AM, Glaucus said:Time and time again many people in our community
of fishermenturn their nose up at cheapgear(anything). I think the ego and pride of some people are so astounding that it becomes about not how somethingfishes(performs) or how something feels, but about how much they can say it costs. Sometimes the perfect tool for you does not cost that much.
I updated your post to apply to literally everything in life, cars, clothes, food, hobbies. Everyone's got their reasons for spending what they do. Some do it for status, some appreciate the smallest advantages provided by higher quality (pros), and some just enjoy it.
EGbassing reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 9:25 AM, MN Fisher said:I think we're talking even less than that. My best setup is my new Fuego CT on an Aird-X - and that rig together cost what your Citica without a rod does. My #2 rig is a President on an Aird-X - and that rig was under $100
What would you rate your Aird-X out of ten? I've been thinking about getting one but I can't decide.
12poundbass reply :
I love my Abu Black Max and Pro Max reels. I've spent over $100 on one rod the rest are $50 or less. I don't know what high end is like so I know, no different. I catch fish and I have a blast doing it that's all that matters. Plus kids are expensive! ????
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 9:39 AM, EGbassing said:What would you rate your Aird-X out of ten? I've been thinking about getting one but I can't decide.
All I've done so far is 'bench testing'...it's brand new and we got 'hard water' here. But it seems to be reactive, sturdy and balanced. I'm looking forward to testing it on the water.
BassWhole! reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 9:32 AM, jbsoonerfan said:My bad, I will see my way out of the thread.
And take your Tatsu and PopMax with you... 
slonezp reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 9:42 AM, 12poundbass said:I love my Abu Black Max and Pro Max reels. I've spent over $100 on one rod the rest are $50 or less. I don't know what high end is like so I know, no different. I catch fish and I have a blast doing it that's all that matters. Plus kids are expensive! ????
A hundred dollar rod feels better, more balanced, more refined, than a $50 rod, depending on the brand. I'm partial to Fenwick. My opinion is it's the best bang for the buck. A $100 dollar St Croix feels like a $40 Ugly Stick. A $100 Fenwick feels like a $300 St Croix.
Dens228 reply :
You say people in the community turn their nose up at low end gear......
My observations are that there are more posts across the boards and on social media of fisherman turning their nose up AT people with high end gear.......If I had a nickle for every one of those posts I have enough to buy all high end gear. LOL
We've all seen the posts about how it's the fisherman and you can catch big fish on inexpensive gear and spending X amount is a waste of money..
That being said I'm strictly middle class with my gear...
Gundog reply :
You won't catch me throwing $25 baits. Not when I can buy 5 baits for that much.
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 9:59 AM, Gundog said:You won't catch me throwing $25 baits. Not when I can buy 5 baits for that much.
I'm the same - let's see, for spinnerbaits I can get one Booyah for six bucks, or two Jawbones for the same price...I know what I'm getting.
Joshua van Wyk reply :
Personally I like to save up for as long as I need to and buy exactly what I want.
BassWhole! reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 10:06 AM, Joshua van Wyk said:Personally I like to save up for as long as I need to and buy exactly what I want.
The trick is figuring out if you really want it, or if you just think you want it grasshopper.
jbmaine reply :
All my stuff is middle to lower middle of the gear spectrum. I honestly don't think I'm good enough to get the most out of high end gear. But the thing is, I really don't care. My stuff doesn't break the bank, I catch plenty of fish, but most importantly I have a ton of fun.
That being said, I do appreciate a higher end fly rod. With fly fishing, I think it's worth it.
Joshua van Wyk reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 10:11 AM, reason said:The trick is figuring out if you really want it, or if you just think you want it grasshopper.
Now that is a difficult trick to learn!
haggard reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 9:51 AM, slonezp said:A $100 dollar St Croix feels like a $40 Ugly Stick
The first two rods I bought were a $120 St Croix and a $37 Ugly Stik. Even at my newbie level, I can feel the difference, no comparison. Just my experience and opinion. You know what they say about opinions 
BigAngus752 reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 10:11 AM, reason said:The trick is figuring out if you really want it, or if you just think you want it grasshopper.
Are you fast enough to grab this St. Croix Legend from my hand?
KDW96 reply :
slonezp reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 10:15 AM, haggard said:The first two rods I bought were a $120 St Croix and a $37 Ugly Stik. Even at my newbie level, I can feel the difference, no comparison. Just my experience and opinion. You know what they say about opinions
So, I would never own a G Loomis or St Croix. They won't make me a better fisherman, help me connect more, help me land more fish, and the "fatigue" factor is negligible. That being said, the only good Ugly Stick currently made is their trolling rods. The rest are sub par to say the least. Try yourself a $100-$150 rod that is not St Croix or G Loomis. You'll be surprised.
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 10:33 AM, slonezp said:That being said, the only good Ugly Stick currently made is their trolling rods.
Well, opinions are like...
Compared to my older rods, Berkley Enforcer for example, I felt that the GX-2 I got for my Trion was a vast improvement.
I'm working with a fixed-income budget, so my sights have to be lower. When I can get a full rig (President/Aird-X) for that same $100 - I'll grab it.
superkamikazee reply :
To be fair, the daiwa airdx is way too good a rod at $50.
BassWhole! reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 10:16 AM, BigAngus752 said:Are you fast enough to grab this St. Croix Legend from my hand?
While playing my flute and without ripping the rice paper.
I remember really looking forward to the next episode as a kid, a week seemed like an eternity then, now a year is like a flash.
slonezp reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 10:38 AM, MN Fisher said:Well, opinions are like...
Compared to my older rods, Berkley Enforcer for example, I felt that the GX-2 I got for my Trion was a vast improvement.
I'm working with a fixed-income budget, so my sights have to be lower. When I can get a full rig (President/Aird-X) for that same $100 - I'll grab it.
The problem with the Ugly Sticks is they are too bendy. Too much like an ice fishing rod for my liking. A 6-1/2 to 7 ft rod needs some backbone that should reach 2/3 to 3/4 the length of the rod. The standard Ugly Stick doesn't have that.
Koz reply :
I say to each his own, as long as you're enjoying it. Last year I bought a Lew's Mach II baitcaster combo for around $170 and for me that's an expensive fishing purchase. Then again, when my growing son needs a new baseball bat those cost $300 - $400 each and I'm sure many think that's a steep price.
PhishLI reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 9:39 AM, EGbassing said:What would you rate your Aird-X out of ten? I've been thinking about getting one but I can't decide.
My brother picked up the 7'H casting and the 7' MH spinning. I tried both out on the boat and thought they were just fine. They're both truly "fast" sticks, so keep that in mind. When he told me what they cost I was really impressed. Before then I'd tried out a number of less expensive rods in the same price range just to get a feel for them. The AIRDs definitely feel like they could be priced quite a bit higher than many in the same range. Also, the build quality does not look like $55 at all if that matters to you.
A few months ago I carted the 7'MH 2pc casting on amazon. Just left it there. When you do that the algorithm does what it does and the price tends to drop eventually. I logged on a few weeks ago and was alerted that the price had decreased to $37. SOLD! I'd wanted something I could keep in the back seat for whenever I wanted to drop into any of the local spots nearby for a few casts.
I hit by a spot late afternoon on sunday. Threw out an IMA suspending lipless. Got a few swipes instantly and was able to feel what was happenening nicely. A 19" pickeral crushed the IMA and fought well on the way in. The AIRD didn't snap. I didn't feel like I was suffering at all fishing with it. It balances about an inch in front of the reel nut with a 6.5oz Pflueger Supreme XT saddled on. The 7'MH is rated up to an 1 oz. The rod loaded well with the 3/8oz IMA. Definitely not overloaded.
I'm not going to rate it on a scale. I will say that lt looks and feels like it could cost quite a bit more than it does. A screaming bargain at the street price, IMO, if you like a fast action stick.
If I happen to blow it up on a tree branch I won't cry for too long given the price. I'd replace it with another one for sure.
Pikeman12 reply :
I love my okuma celios. 30$ rod, caught tons of bass on it. Love it. Used to have a pflueger trion on it, but its a light and i was able to find a nice shimano stradic 1000 for free to slap on it. One of my favorite setups honestly.
BassHawg2293 reply :
I used to know nothing but ugly stick and a Mitchell 300.. in the pond fishing days no one could've convinced me differently.
Nowadays since I have a boat I do buy middle of the road gear. I can 100% say better gear makes a difference. Some stuff performs great for 1 season, but spending just a little more for better quality is the way to go I think.
I'll never buy a $300-$500 rod or reel though. I can say that
Smungung reply :
Ultimate bang for buck combo from walmart granite outdoors bait caster for 30 dollars and a berkley cherrywood casting rod for $14 free shipping as well
jimmyjoe reply :
I've got rods from $35 to $200, and reels from $15 to $250. I had other stuff that got me to this point, but I've resold it. I have what I have now because it does what I want and it does it the way I want it to do it. Some people look down on me because of the expensive stuff. Some people look down on me because of the cheap stuff. I really don't give a rat's ass. I'm there to catch fish and satisfy myself. What they think is their problem. jj
greentrout reply :
Shakespeare Agility normally 30$ got on clearance 6'6'' med. fast. 15$... been a workhorse...
good fishing ...
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 11:26 AM, jimmyjoe said:I'm there to catch fish and satisfy myself. What they think is their problem.
I think the whole point of this thread is to show that you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars to get a rig that will work. Some of us don't have the type of money to drop $200 on a reel and another $150 on a rod.
This year I added a flip/pitch/frog rig to my collection and replaced my old spinner/chatter/buzz rig - total cost for both setups was about $250. I won't have on-water experience with these until ice-out, but from my bench-testing, these are going to work just fine.
jimmyjoe reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 11:33 AM, MN Fisher said:I think the whole point of this thread is to show that you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars to get a rig that will work. Some of us don't have the type of money to drop $200 on a reel and another $150 on a rod.
Exactly. That describes half my stuff. The Quantum rod for $25, and the Quantum reel for $15. The Fenwick Eagles on sale. The clearance Daiwa reels. The Cabela's rod on Christmas sale for $29.99. But I have more expensive stuff, too. I didn't get it to show off. I didn't get it to brag. I didn't get it just because it was expensive. And I didn't get it because the cheaper stuff wasn't any good. Sure it's good. I got the expensive stuff because it did a certain thing that I wanted to do, and the other stuff didn't. I'm retired, and spending a lot of money hurts. But I'm sure not gonna enjoy fishing after I'm dead. Wherever I go, I meet some people who think no one should have or use expensive stuff. That's wrong. And I meet people who think no one should use cheap stuff. That's wrong, too. Get what works, and satisfy yourself, no matter what the equipment happens to be. Like I said in the post above, I'm there to catch fish. I apologize if I seem rude, but this subject really hits a sore spot with me. jj
Smalls reply :
Price doesn’t always reflect quality. I’ve got some cheap gear that has lasted me a long time.
But if I’m looking at two reels, a $60 one of mediocre materials and a much better quality reel for $120, I’m buying the more expensive one. I’ll likely get more life out of it.
The point if if diminishing returns works both ways. There’s a certain price where higher end gear just doesn’t give you much more advantages. There’s also a price point where if you go under, it’s impossible for the manufacturer to have made it of quality components, and likely cut corners producing it.
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 12:12 PM, jimmyjoe said:Wherever I go, I meet some people who think no one should have or use expensive stuff. That's wrong. And I meet people who think no one should use cheap stuff. That's wrong, too. Get what works, and satisfy yourself, no matter what the equipment happens to be.
I think that's a balanced look. If you CAN afford it, and want it...then get it.
Would I want a Revo-STX or Patriarch reel? Yes.
Would I want a Loomis or St. Croix rod? Yes
I just can't afford the mid-range to expensive things at all, so I get the best I can with what money I have.
jimmyjoe reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 12:24 PM, MN Fisher said:I think that's a balanced look. If you CAN afford it, and want it...then get it.
Would I want a Revo-STX or Patriarch reel? Yes.
Would I want a Loomis or St. Croix rod? Yes
I just can't afford the mid-range to expensive things at all, so I get the best I can with what money I have.
I understand. I was there for many years. I still caught fish, and I still had fun. Life's great, ain't it? jj
GReb reply :
Different levels of gear help different levels of fisherman. More advanced anglers get more out of higher end gear. The golf comparison is the best. A pro v1 isn’t going to help a 20 handicap spin a wedge. It will make all the difference to a scratch golfer though. Now at some level it becomes an enthusiast item where the gains are so minimal the price difference is just for pure pleasure. Some guys like knowing they have the absolute best so they can say without a doubt the problem is them not the gear. Confidence comes into play as well. Bottom line is find the gear that is allows you to perform at your best whether that’s a $50 rod or $200. You are always the most important factor though. The rod and reel is just an extension of you.
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
Sorry I don’t buy gears base on price alone. I buy gears base on 1.comfort 2. Feature 3.color then price. I’m not gonna hold humongous/heavy reel to fish Senko all day even the price is right. I’m also not gonna use tiny super light weight magnesium super expensive 10 bearings with Huddleston 8”.
I don’t mind cheap gear but if I have choices I would get nice/fancy one first and I believe most would do the same.
So I think we should all enjoy whatever we have or can afford don’t worry about what others have.
BTW I love my bantam MGL but my SLX get more use.
bayvalle reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 10:15 AM, haggard said:The first two rods I bought were a $120 St Croix and a $37 Ugly Stik. Even at my newbie level, I can feel the difference, no comparison. Just my experience and opinion. You know what they say about opinions
Agree. I have both...no comparison. Although both the Ugly stick and St Croix have a purpose.
ike8120 reply :
I have a mixture of both, My new setups are under 200 bucks since I was able to get on sale. But I buy what I can afford. I would love a 200 buck reel but my 60 buck reel will do just a well. Being cheap(less expensive) is not always bad ,may not last as long.
LuffDaddy reply :
I absolutely LOVE budget gear. I just started getting into bassin heavily back in June of last year. I now have 7 baitcasters and 4 spinning setups. Not one complete set up cost me over 150. Most i got for under 100. And I'm able to pretty much cover about technique. Always feels good knowing I put together everything i need for less than someone could spend on one combo!
redmeansdistortion reply :
I usually sink most of my budget into a nicer reel and have no problem using rods in the $50 and under category. I'm a huge fan of the Berkley Lightning Rods and Cabela's Tourney Trails. Been using them for years and they have never let me down. Having said that, some of the most proficient fishermen I know use only Ugly Stiks. Be it bass, walleye, musky, panfish, salmon, or steelhead, that's what they prefer. I feel having the ability to read water conditions and knowing which baits to use in those conditions have a far greater impact on success than what you're using to throw those baits.
scaleface reply :
The four rod and reel combos I fished with the most last year . Yeah I go cheap and look for bargains
1 rod : Bass Pro Qualifier IM8 purchase as a combo with a pro qualifier reel for 100 dollars . reel Daiwa lexa traded for .
2 rod Shimno Compere 100 dollars . reel Daiwa Lexa trade for .
3 Berkely TGS . clearance 20 dollars . reel Quantum kinetic traded for
4 rod Gander Mountain Lady Guide Series clearance 20 dollars . reel Johnny Morris on sale for 100 dollars .
Mobasser reply :
Maybe the question is this. Will it make a difference, between a cheap rod and a high priced one? Not for everyone. For experienced fisherman, probably so. For a novice- not. My wife goes crappie fishing with me. She doesn't fish for bass. She does fine catching panfish with light jigs, but give her a 400.00 bass rod and some plastics, and she still won't feel the strikes. It's just not her thing. But a good bass fisherman can catch fish on a cheaper rod, because he knows what a light tap feels like. Fish whatever tackle works for you.
haggard reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 10:33 AM, slonezp said:So, I would never own a G Loomis or St Croix. They won't make me a better fisherman, help me connect more, help me land more fish, and the "fatigue" factor is negligible. That being said, the only good Ugly Stick currently made is their trolling rods. The rest are sub par to say the least. Try yourself a $100-$150 rod that is not St Croix or G Loomis. You'll be surprised.
Hoping to do that at the New England Fishing Expo this weekend 
Catt reply :
The #1 key to consistently catching bass is between your ears not between the folds of your wallet.
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 11:01 PM, Catt said:The #1 key to consistently catching bass is between your ears not between the folds of your wallet.
What is that? Nose? Mouth? Shoot I don’t have brain lol.
Tennessee Boy reply :
This is just my opinion and I have no way to quantify it. I would say that the difference between a $1000 combo and a $150 combo in terms of fish caught is very near zero. I expect quality equipment to last longer. I appreciate craftsmanship and get some pleasure from using quality equipment but I don't expect to catch more fish using it.
new2BC4bass reply :
New 6' MH Berkley Lightning $17 (plus $1.02 tax) and new Procaster $30 on closeout. This is my least expensive baitcast combo. Dedicated (so far) to spinnerbaits. Combo jumps in my hand using a 1/2 oz. spinnerbait with Colorado blade. Tough to miss feeling a strike on it no matter how new you are to fishing.
Choporoz reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 11:33 AM, MN Fisher said:I think the whole point of this thread is to show that you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars to get a rig that will work.
You are probably right. But I am terrible about staying on point.
MY point to OP is different. Something along the lines of 'Who cares?'
See....I decided some time ago that if I don't know (or don't respect) someone....I am perfectly content to totally disregard their opinions as they relate to me...even those that might have boiled my blood in my younger days.
Spend what you want. Use what you want. Say what you want. I'll just go fishing. I'll try to refrain from judging you...much.
Bankbeater reply :
The two main rods I use for moving baits, and some topwater baits, is a BPS Tourney Special and a BPS Bionic Blade. They're strong rods and they have a good bend to them.
Columbia Craw reply :
I truly believe an angler can build a quality number of set ups buying pre-owned gear. It takes a little time but it's well worth it. Fish what you've got, take care of it and learn to use it to it's full potential. You can buy the most expensive line on the market and means nothing if you don't check your line or tie a good knot.
Glaucus reply :
Yeah so getting back to my original point, I absolutely don't care what anyone else uses but neither do I advocate for cheap gear if one can afford better. I make recommendations based on given budgets. Point is, cheap, modest, or expensive, they all catch fish. Other point is, the same guy who crapped on another guy for cheap gear has a problem with my squarebill and lipless setup of choice. I could pay 400 bucks for something better, but I'll be damned if anyone is going to be able to tell me that FOR ME the Lightning Rod and Silver Max doesn't just feel and fish those baits spectacularly. But guys like that don't consider that maybe, just maybe, someone bought something less expensive because it was actually ideal for that person, price didn't matter. Just an elitist attitude I can't vibe with.
roadwarrior reply :
NYWayfarer reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 9:51 AM, slonezp said:A hundred dollar rod feels better, more balanced, more refined, than a $50 rod, depending on the brand. I'm partial to Fenwick. My opinion is it's the best bang for the buck. A $100 dollar St Croix feels like a $40 Ugly Stick. A $100 Fenwick feels like a $300 St Croix.
That's really what it's all about. Finding the best bang for the buck.
I try and find that sweet spot between quality and affordability. Gear that is at a good price but performs and lasts longer than that price point would have you believe.
Only lately have I been upgrading my gear to higher quality and higher priced options. I still purchased those on sale being the frugal fisherman I am.
gnappi reply :
In the past my go to reels saltwater reels were Penn Internationals, but since I'm no longer fishing saltwater they stay in the garage.
Freshwater my reels were the low end Shimano and up to a Stradic Ci4+ RD which is no better than my $45 models, all on Ugly Stik rods. Nowadays It's Daiwa Sweepfire 2500 RA's and I have no problem catching fish. The truth be told, the Daiwa is so smooth I have to often check that my line isn't broken, no higher end Shimano was ever so well done.
I think my current three rods with reels were something like $70 each.
BaitFinesse reply :
Reel: Kastking Spartacus on Aliexpress for $35 free shipping. Graphite plastic frame, dual brake reel with decent centrifugal brake. Brass gears and handle shaft. Looks good with lots of dual anodized parts and performs well above it's pricepoint. Some known issues with line lay and clutch. Hit or miss. Mine is fine.
Rod: Berkley Lightning rod $40 at your local Walmart. Rubberized cork grip. Light weight and balanced. Ceramic guides with painted guide seats. Nice reel seat.
Line: Daiwa J Braid 8 carrier. Good performing value priced braid.
J.Vincent reply :
I’ve seen co-anglers with $100 dollar combos outfish boaters with $500 combos....the cost of the sporting equipment doesn’t always equate to success unless you are cycling in the Tour de France on a $500 bike against a cyclist on a $30,000 bike....but fishing is a very different sport and one where the common angler or advanced angler can always compete using budget equipment !
fishwizzard reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 4:22 AM, BaitFinesse said:Rubberized cork grip.
Honestly at this point I prefer rubberized cork to natural. Even on super expensive rods the cork is usually so full of filler that I’d rather have the more durable rubberized version.
punch reply :
This is a very interesting topic and I have to bring something up.
As someone who's owned and purchased cheap gear, and also owned and purchased high end gear... the big dirty secret most "cheap gear" people may not know about is about the giant FAT discounts you can get on high end gear if you have the right pipelines. For instance, most people may covet a Gloomis rod that runs over $400 right? Many shops can give 40% discounts on these rods without blinking, and even more if you buy several. When I see a guy with a full rod locker of high end gear I used to think "oh that guys loaded" but now I go "oh that guys got a good hookup". Nobody pays full price for a rod locker full of NRX's or Dobyns Extremes.
The markups on high end gear are quite large, so shops/dealers can really slash the price if you have the relationships. I know guys that get 50% off anything they want because they are frequent customers or they cycle their equipment every few years.
Sure a Metanium MGL is $419 dollars off the shelf, but if you call up a tackle shop and tell them you want to buy 12 of them suddenly they become $250 reels.
You don't even have to be a 'sponsored' angler to deep discounts on high end gear, just be a guy that a shop KNOWS will be back time and time again and will buy 'the good stuff'.
Once you have a hookup to these discounts, you can then resell your high end gear for basically what you paid for it, then turn around and use that money to buy the latest-greatest models with the same big discount.
My point is a lot of people get high end gear at mid range gear prices.
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 8:30 AM, punch said:The markups on high end gear are quite large, so shops/dealers can really slash the price if you have the relationships. I know guys that get 50% off anything they want because they are frequent customers or they cycle their equipment every few years.
Sure a Metanium MGL is $419 dollars off the shelf, but if you call up a tackle shop and tell them you want to buy 12 of them suddenly they become $250 reels.
That's fine if you have the money to do that...there's a reason two of my rigs are 30+ years old. Last year I budgeted to get two new spinning rigs...total cost was under $150. This year I budgeted to get a decent quality rig for flipping/pitching/etc...again about $150. Then I found out the Ambassdeur rig that I'd had for 20 years needed replacing...I scraped/clawed/sweated enough to get $100 to replace it.
Some of us CAN'T even imagine dropping $250 for a single rig much less a reel alone. That's why we 'settle' for the low-mid range...it's all we can afford. Replacing rigs every few years is out of the realm of possibility for me. I'm going to maintain the rigs I have now and hopefully when I retire from fishing all together in 15-20 years, they'll still be salable.
punch reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 8:47 AM, MN Fisher said:That's fine if you have the money to do that...there's a reason two of my rigs are 30+ years old. Last year I budgeted to get two new spinning rigs...total cost was under $150. This year I budgeted to get a decent quality rig for flipping/pitching/etc...again about $150. Then I found out the Ambassdeur rig that I'd had for 20 years needed replacing...I scraped/clawed/sweated enough to get $100 to replace it.
Some of us CAN'T even imagine dropping $250 for a single rig much less a reel alone. That's why we 'settle' for the low-mid range...it's all we can afford. Replacing rigs every few years is out of the realm of possibility for me. I'm going to maintain the rigs I have now and hopefully when I retire from fishing all together in 15-20 years, they'll still be salable.
I totally get it. This is a sport where you can have just as much fun with a Walmart setup as a Loomis. One of the reasons we all love it!
PhishLI reply :
Here's the truth for me: I have a few $400 combos. I'm a gearhead so I'll probably invest more eventually. I have a few $300 combos, and down the line. I have some budget gear, less expensive reels and Ugly Stiks, for fishing certain lakes lined with trees. It's almost impossible to not swat branches occasionally in these spots. If I'm wading, or on boat, or at a lake where I'm less likely to blow up a rod, then I'll bring my better stuiff. I appreciate how it feels and fishes. However, the buzz of actually hooking and landing a fish is no different than with the bargain gear. I feel the same exact pump at that moment, FishOn!, regardless of the pedigree of the gear I have at the time. I'm not contemplating any of that. I'm just riding the adreneline rush of the moment.
It's a pretty cool hobby where anyone with any budget can experience pretty much the same exact thrill.
soflabasser reply :
I have a +20 year old Ugly Stik rod that has caught me more 8 pound or better bass than many people have caught in their lifetime of bass fishing. I still fish with that rod every once in a while for freshwater/saltwater fishing and it goes to show you how well Ugly Stiks rods are made. Got other old Ugly Stiks that have caught me lots of fish throughout the years. I use the money I save for lures, other tackle, and gas for my trips.
On 1/23/2019 at 7:46 PM, redmeansdistortion said:I usually sink most of my budget into a nicer reel and have no problem using rods in the $50 and under category. I'm a huge fan of the Berkley Lightning Rods and Cabela's Tourney Trails. Been using them for years and they have never let me down. Having said that, some of the most proficient fishermen I know use only Ugly Stiks. Be it bass, walleye, musky, panfish, salmon, or steelhead, that's what they prefer. I feel having the ability to read water conditions and knowing which baits to use in those conditions have a far greater impact on success than what you're using to throw those baits.
Berkley Lighting rods are very good rods for what they cost. Pat Cullen is one of the best trophy bass fisherman that has lived and his favorite combos where Ugly Stiks with Abu Garcia baitcasting reels which he used to catch +1,100 bass each over 10 pounds.
CrankFate reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 9:08 AM, punch said:I totally get it. This is a sport where you can have just as much fun with a Walmart setup as a Loomis. One of the reasons we all love it!
Some of my best days fishing ever were on $35 ugly stick combos, or with a $20 Berkeley rod and the old $20 trigger Shimano Quick fire II spinning reel.
JonBoy7805 reply :
I think the best combo is something that your not afraid handling pretty rough without cringing but still fishes and feels nice to you. So that's different for everyone. I'm sure some guys don't mind treating a $600 combo rough when another guy with the same combo hardly fishes it cuz they're afraid of it getting scuffed up. So yeah, for me I have a $100 lews reel on a $110 Powell rod that I love to fish with cuz it's light and sensitive and powerful but I still don't mind if it gets roughed up like bunching it up with a bunch of other rods and carrying them out to the boat or setting down on the bottom of the boat without a sleeve while I fish with something else.
Glaucus reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 10:28 AM, JonBoy7805 said:I think the best combo is something that your not afraid handling pretty rough without cringing but still fishes and feels nice to you. So that's different for everyone. I'm sure some guys don't mind treating a $600 combo rough when another guy with the same combo hardly fishes it cuz they're afraid of it getting scuffed up. So yeah, for me I have a $100 lews reel on a $110 Powell rod that I love to fish with cuz it's light and sensitive and powerful but I still don't mind if it gets roughed up like bunching it up with a bunch of other rods and carrying them out to the boat or setting down on the bottom of the boat without a sleeve while I fish with something else.
Yes and no. I don't want to scratch or ding my cheap Berkley and Abu stuff anymore than my modest Fenwick or expensive Daiwa stuff. I'm OCD about all of my gear. I'll fish them and travel with them, but I take care of them like I would my body. I run with my body, but I don't want to trip and get scrapped up. Same principle for all of my gear.
greentrout reply :
have excellent credit with a good credit line or cash ...could swing a 200 dollar reel and 200 dollar rod ... never saw any reason to do so ... my best reels and rods are at 100 dollars each price point and perform well... have other priorities like honey do's ...
good fishing ...
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 10:40 AM, Glaucus said:Yes and no. I don't want to scratch or ding my cheap Berkley and Abu stuff anymore than my modest Fenwick or expensive Daiwa stuff. I'm OCD about all of my gear. I'll fish them and travel with them, but I take care of them like I would my body. I run with my body, but I don't want to trip and get scrapped up. Same principle for all of my gear.
Same here, my Avocet rod/reel combo may have cost under $50, but as it's my prime finesse setup I treat it like it's a Revo MGX on a St Croix Legend.
Joshua van Wyk reply :
I've never paid full retail for any of my gear. Ive gotten all of my stuff at least 40-50% off. Since I am 14 and dont pay taxes or support a family all the money i earn that doesnt go in the bank is spent on fishing.
Glaucus reply :
I support a family of 6 on my income alone. I make a modest income with some but not a lot of wiggle room. The only way I'm able to afford nice gear is that I sacrifice things for myself. The wife and kids get their fancy phones (well only my oldest kid has a phone, my kids are young yet), nice clothes, gaming systems, this and that around the house for my wife or whatever the hell she thinks she needs. Etc etc etc for all things, just standard "got a wife and kids" stuff. For myself, I get a cheap prepaid smartphone with a cheap prepaid plan. I get my clothes from thrift stores and wear them out. I don't smoke. I don't buy a coffee or a pop or fast food or lunch or whatever. I literally cut out all of my personal luxury expenses or minimize them as much as I can, and that leaves me room to spend money where I really want to: fishing.
BassinBrit reply :
My 13 year old son wanted one of those Lews Mach Crush bait casting Combo for his birthday, $200. He got it a few weeks early and really enjoyed throwing it last summer, I tried it and it felt reasonable, maybe would have liked the rod to have a little more backbone for a MH, still he’s happy, that’s all that matters.
I on the other hand really like my $40 Hank Parker Lews rods both M and MH from Walmart, a real steal in my opinion, I pair them with a couple of Piscifun Perseus bait casting reels at $40 a pop off of Amazon. My setups may not have that cool looking orange color but they feel and fish much better to me.
I have fancier more sensitive setups that cost many times what I paid for the 3 combos above, are they worth it? I’d say yes for certain applications where sensitivity is important, but if I’m just cranking or throwing a reaction bait cheap wins every time.
jbsoonerfan reply :
Sorry to interrupt your "cheap" thread again. But I just bought a Curado 70 brand new for $120. Which to me is cheap. The main thing I have taken from this thread is that people who can't or don't want to spend money on fishing gear come up with a reason to justify why they are okay with using "cheap" gear.
I am a deer hunter and when you drop $2,000 + on a bow and accessories when you get to hunt 20 days a year and maybe get one or two shots at a deer, a few hundred bucks on a fishing set up is nothing. Of course I am not on a fixed income or arguing with my wife about what I can or can't spend on my hobbies.
I also have a $1,200 shotgun that has only killed a few doves and ducks, but it is still worth about $1,200 5 years later, my $500 gun is worth about $150.
Glaucus reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 12:56 PM, jbsoonerfan said:Sorry to interrupt your "cheap" thread again. But I just bought a Curado 70 brand new for $120. Which to me is cheap. The main thing I have taken from this thread is that people who can't or don't want to spend money on fishing gear come up with a reason to justify why they are okay with using "cheap" gear.
I am a deer hunter and when you drop $2,000 + on a bow and accessories when you get to hunt 20 days a year and maybe get one or two shots at a deer, a few hundred bucks on a fishing set up is nothing. Of course I am not on a fixed income or arguing with my wife about what I can or can't spend on my hobbies.
I also have a $1,200 shotgun that has only killed a few doves and ducks, but it is still worth about $1,200 5 years later, my $500 gun is worth about $150.
You're missing one of my points though. My cheap squarebill setup isn't due to its price or ant justification not to go higher. I have it because I haven't felt anything better. All of the characteristics I want in that setup was ideally met to the T in the cheap setup. I could without a doubt spend 4x as much to find something even better, but why when my ideal setup was met for 4x less? Sometimes it isn't about the name or the price tag or what one can afford. Sometimes exactly what you're looking for doesn't cost much at all. But that's just one of my points. Of course I'm not giving up my Elite Techs, Tatulas, HMGs, E6Xs, or newly acquired Okumas any time to go back to Ugly Stick or Shock or Shakespeare or cheap Abu rods of various sorts or anything like that, but I did catch a bunch of fish using that stuff when I started out and didn't want to fork over the money because I either couldn't afford it or didn't think it was necessary. It's become necessary for me, but like I said, not a d**n person can tell me my Lightning Rod and Silver Max isn't perfect to me for what I use it for.
punch reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 12:53 PM, BassinBrit said:My 13 year old son wanted one of those Lews Mach Crush bait casting Combo for his birthday, $200. He got it a few weeks early and really enjoyed throwing it last summer, I tried it and it felt reasonable, maybe would have liked the rod to have a little more backbone for a MH, still he’s happy, that’s all that matters.
I on the other hand really like my $40 Hank Parker Lews rods both M and MH from Walmart, a real steal in my opinion, I pair them with a couple of Piscifun Perseus bait casting reels at $40 a pop off of Amazon. My setups may not have that cool looking orange color but they feel and fish much better to me.
I have fancier more sensitive setups that cost many times what I paid for the 3 combos above, are they worth it? I’d say yes for certain applications where sensitivity is important, but if I’m just cranking or throwing a reaction bait cheap wins every time.
Don't worry, that orange isn't that cool looking.
Everyone says those Hank Parker rods are really good for $40.
BassWhole! reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 10:40 AM, Glaucus said:Yes and no. I don't want to scratch or ding my cheap Berkley and Abu stuff anymore than my modest Fenwick or expensive Daiwa stuff. I'm OCD about all of my gear. I'll fish them and travel with them, but I take care of them like I would my body. I run with my body, but I don't want to trip and get scrapped up. Same principle for all of my gear.
Yeah, but you only get one body, you get as much tackle as you want and can afford. I don't purposely abuse gear, but neither Am I going to worry about wear and tear or baby it. In my mind and the way I fish, if a reel lasts 3 to 5 seasons and a rod gets damaged or breaks every so often, that's just par for the course, but to each his own.
Glaucus reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 9:50 PM, reason said:Yeah, but you only get one body, you get as much tackle as you want and can afford. I don't purposely abuse gear, but neither Am I going to worry about wear and tear or baby it. In my mind and the way I fish, if a reel lasts 3 to 5 seasons and a rod gets damaged or breaks every so often, that's just par for the course, but to each his own.
All gear will eventually fail, but that's no reason not to take care of it.
BassWhole! reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 9:53 PM, Glaucus said:All gear will eventually fail, but that's no reason not to take care of it.
Agreed, I just think we have different definitions of taking care of it.
geo g reply :
Expensive gear does not buy you bites or landed fish. The important thing is the line, hook, and the angler. For years I used a 5’6 « rod, and a zebco 20/20 for light top water. The combo would cast a light lure a mile, no back lash or over runs, easy jerk bait jerking all day. Caught thousands of bass on a small Zara spook, or rapala #9. Cheap and out cast most on the market!
BassWhole! reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 4:26 AM, J.Vincent said:the cost of the sporting equipment doesn’t always equate to success unless you are cycling in the Tour de France on a $500 bike against a cyclist on a $30,000 bike....
Shhhhh. We've put 3 kids trough college and have one more to go (Not to mention the house in Costa Rica)
Don't listen to this guy, a more expensive bike WILL make you faster (and the envy of your lycra laden friends)
ps: I ride an aluminum cyclocross with Tiagra (no discs), and I don't feel like the bike is a disadvantage against top end road bikes on group rides. Of course I don't tell people that on the sales floor.
fin reply :
I can understand spending a lot of money on certain things, but I’m a little puzzled by the high-end rods. I think maybe a lot of us might not know what we’re missing, like a person who has only fished with slow rods might not realize that they’re not feeling a lot of bites.
For me, a rod has to be sensitive enough to feel a tap and strong enough that it won’t break when I catch a fish. The reel needs to stay attached in the seat and not wobble around, and the guides need to not chew up the line or fall off. I don’t know what else I need. It’s not like I’m yearning for something that I’m unwilling to spend money on.
I also don’t understand people needing a different type of rod for each type of bait. If a rod is good for worms, I can use it for anything. A slower rod would feel better with spinnerbaits, chatterbaits, etc., but it’s not necessary as far as I can tell.
How much money someone spends on their hobby is none of my business. I wouldn’t accuse them of wasting their money. I’m saying I don’t understand why some people spend so much. It doesn’t bother me they’re spending so much, it bothers me that I might be missing learning something that might help me catch more/bigger fish. What do those high-end rods do that the cheap rods don’t do?
Glaucus reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 10:12 PM, Hank. said:I can understand spending a lot of money on certain things, but I’m a little puzzled by the high-end rods. I think maybe a lot of us might not know what we’re missing, like a person who has only fished with slow rods might not realize that they’re not feeling a lot of bites.
For me, a rod has to be sensitive enough to feel a tap and strong enough that it won’t break when I catch a fish. The reel needs to stay attached in the seat and not wobble around, and the guides need to not chew up the line or fall off. I don’t know what else I need. It’s not like I’m yearning for something that I’m unwilling to spend money on.
I also don’t understand people needing a different type of rod for each type of bait. If a rod is good for worms, I can use it for anything. A slower rod would feel better with spinnerbaits, chatterbaits, etc., but it’s not necessary as far as I can tell.
How much money someone spends on their hobby is none of my business. I wouldn’t accuse them of wasting their money. I’m saying I don’t understand why some people spend so much. It doesn’t bother me they’re spending so much, it bothers me that I might be missing learning something that might help me catch more/bigger fish. What do those high-end rods do that the cheap rods don’t do?
High end usually means lighter and more sensitive. Compare it to wine. Most people won't the the difference between a 10 dollar bottle and a 50-100 dollar bottle. It's subtle, but makes a difference to some people.
On 1/24/2019 at 9:57 PM, reason said:Agreed, I just think we have different definitions of taking care of it.
In some ways, probably, in other ways, not so much. But I'm OCD and admit to it lol
Spankey reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 9:51 AM, slonezp said:A hundred dollar rod feels better, more balanced, more refined, than a $50 rod, depending on the brand. I'm partial to Fenwick. My opinion is it's the best bang for the buck. A $100 dollar St Croix feels like a $40 Ugly Stick. A $100 Fenwick feels like a $300 St Croix.
Not quite sure about that. I’d put a St. Criox Premiere Series rod up against any $100 or less Fenwick or Ugly stick out there. Eagle, HMX or HMG. Comparing rod to rod. Rod feel is different from person.
redmeansdistortion reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 10:12 PM, Hank. said:I also don’t understand people needing a different type of rod for each type of bait. If a rod is good for worms, I can use it for anything.
I do understand, but for the way I fish, I never take more than two rods with me. One rod is always a backup and stays in the trunk, not technique specific. If I had a boat or kayak, I probably would use a different rod for each type of bait, but I usually bank fish or wade and carrying more than one rod would be cumbersome. I like to pack as lightly as possible in order to have mobility. That means wearing a vest instead of carrying a tackle box and one rod only. There's nothing worse than having to lug a tackle box, or worse yet constantly having to retrieve it when you want to change spots.
slonezp reply :
On 1/25/2019 at 12:58 AM, Spankey said:Not quite sure about that. I’d put a St. Criox Premiere Series rod up against any $100 or less Fenwick or Ugly stick out there. Eagle, HMX or HMG. Comparing rod to rod. Rod feel is different from person.
Is it really that much different? There is a huge difference between a $50 rod and a $150 rod. Not so much between a $150 rod and a $350 rod
The Bassman reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 12:56 PM, jbsoonerfan said:Of course I am not on a fixed income or arguing with my wife about what I can or can't spend on my hobbies.
I don't argue with mine either. I just don't tell her.
Mobasser reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 11:01 PM, Catt said:The #1 key to consistently catching bass is between your ears not between the folds of your wallet.
This right here makes the most sense of all.
BassWhole! reply :
On 1/25/2019 at 5:10 AM, The Bassman said:I don't argue with mine either. I just don't tell her.
I have a great poker face, but the Admiral is a Wicklander-Zulawski certified trained interrogator with 20 years of experience. I just cross my arms, look down and say in my best James Cagney "you'll get nothing out of me copper"
The FedEx and UPS guys don't help any.
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/25/2019 at 6:24 AM, reason said:I have a great poker face, but the Admiral is a Wicklander-Zulawski certified trained interrogator with 20 years of experience. I just cross my arms, look down and say in my best James Cagney "you'll get nothing out of me copper"
The FedEx and UPS guys don't help any.
I don't even have that excuse...she handles all the family financials. So any purchases and she gives me 'The Look' - there's no escape.
Tizi reply :
When I do my shopping, I am typically looking at rods/reels in the $150 each range. To me, that is the sweet spot (performance to price). Once I have identified which rod and reel I want, I look and wait for sales. I have never paid full price. This year I purchased a Dobyns Sierra and Lews Tournament MB, I paid around $200 total for the combo, about 30% off the original pricing. That's how I do it.
Spankey reply :
On 1/25/2019 at 3:31 AM, slonezp said:Is it really that much different? There is a huge difference between a $50 rod and a $150 rod. Not so much between a $150 rod and a $350 rod
You may be right.
The Bassman reply :
On 1/25/2019 at 6:24 AM, reason said:I have a great poker face, but the Admiral is a Wicklander-Zulawski certified trained interrogator with 20 years of experience. I just cross my arms, look down and say in my best James Cagney "you'll get nothing out of me copper"
The FedEx and UPS guys don't help any.
I get home from work before she does. In all honesty she gives me plenty of license for feeding my vice.
fin reply :
On 1/25/2019 at 1:19 AM, redmeansdistortion said:I do understand, but for the way I fish, I never take more than two rods with me. One rod is always a backup and stays in the trunk, not technique specific. If I had a boat or kayak, I probably would use a different rod for each type of bait, but I usually bank fish or wade and carrying more than one rod would be cumbersome. I like to pack as lightly as possible in order to have mobility. That means wearing a vest instead of carrying a tackle box and one rod only. There's nothing worse than having to lug a tackle box, or worse yet constantly having to retrieve it when you want to change spots.
I usually fish with only one rod myself, walking the banks, but sometimes I will bring as many as 5 rods loaded up with different lures. I’m just not very mobile with that many. I’ve accumulated about 20 rods total, but some of them are junk, and most are not sensitive enough. I understand first hand how someone ends up with a lot of rods, and having different types of rods for specific things, but I can’t imagine it being necessary to have like 10 rods at $150 each unless you’re fishing serious tournaments where you don’t want to waste valuable seconds changing lures.
bayvalle reply :
On 1/25/2019 at 3:31 AM, slonezp said:Is it really that much different? There is a huge difference between a $50 rod and a $150 rod. Not so much between a $150 rod and a $350 rod
So True. Paying more is a diminishing return.
NYWayfarer reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 2:04 PM, punch said:Don't worry, that orange isn't that cool looking.
Oh yes it is. Big kids like me like it as well.
GeekFisher reply :
On 1/25/2019 at 6:24 AM, reason said:I have a great poker face, but the Admiral is a Wicklander-Zulawski certified trained interrogator with 20 years of experience. I just cross my arms, look down and say in my best James Cagney "you'll get nothing out of me copper"
The FedEx and UPS guys don't help any.
Have your stuff shipped at job
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