Is A Shimano Stella Worth The Money 2024
Bass&PanMan reply :
Hi all,
I have 4 Shimano Stradic CI4+ reels, 1 x 1000 and 3 x 2500 but I have just bought a G Loomis NRX 822s SYR for Shakey Head fishing using 10lb braid and 7lb Fluro with 1/8oz weight.
I wondered if the Shimano Stella is worth the money over the Stradic CI4+ ?
Thanks in advance
Matthew
John G reply :
Are you familiar with JDM Shimano's? Japan Lure Shop has prices on the Stella that makes it much more appealing.
Kidflex reply :
The term worth it is all subjective. For bass and small gamefish I don't think it's worth it or necessary. Ive used Stella 10k & 20k for deep jigging amberjack and and throwin poppers for tuna. For those applications there is no doubt it's worth it along with the saltigas and twin spins. But there is a certain level of satisfaction using high end gear like the Stella. I'm certain you'd never be disappointed using one. The stradic is plenty of reel as far as function, style and quality. Get what you want. Enjoy, it's only money.
Bass&PanMan reply :
The Stradic is a sure nice reel and has most of the tech that the Stella has. Strange thing is that the Stella actually weighs more than the Stradic too
FishTank reply :
Short answer no. But think of it this way....... A super car that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds cost $150,000 and one that goes 0-60 in 3.2 seconds can cost $350,000. Is the .8 seconds worth the extra cost? The Stella falls into that category of, "the better it gets, the less return you get on your investment".
It is an amazing reel though.
EvanT123 reply :
I would imagine when you get to that price point "value" isn't factored into the equation. A timex will tell the time just the same as a Rolex.
There is a saying with luxury goods. If you have to ask the price you don't have enough. Lol.
dave reply :
Kent not here yet...?
curtis9 reply :
Not worth the money, but it will pair up nicely with the NRX. You've got a $500 rod might as well put a great reel on it and enjoy fishing it
kickerfish1 reply :
As mentioned above when you are talking Stella money you are talking the ultimate spinning reel. There isn't a better freshwater spinning reel made for bass. Part of what you are buying is the prestige and the other part is in the intricate fine tuning, attention to detail. and high quality parts/machinery. Once you get past the Stradic model the amount of "additional benefits" to be felt diminish. What I look for in a spinning reel is a reliable drag, smooth retrieve under load, reliability, and something that feels comfortable to fish.
Frankly I would slap a Stradic on it or better yet wait for the NEW Stradic FK model which should hit around I-Cast. This reel is $200ish and will probably have a few new bells and whistles that no other Shimano spinning reel in production has. Color wise it would match nicely with a blue NRX for the most part. I would highly consider this option and save the $ for another NRX rod or something else you may need/want.
S Hovanec reply :
I was real close to pulling this trigger on a Stella for my new DS rod, then the new Twinpowers were released. That's where I threw my money. Plus, the Stella wouldn't have matched the new rod as well!
tomustang reply :
Nope, more like a status piece. They still pretty though.
Bass&PanMan reply :
The new Stradic fo looks interesting. From looking on a JDM site, it thought it would run more Han $200, more of a Sustain replacement.
What's the difference between a 2500s and a 2500hgs ?
Then what's the difference between C3000, C3000HG and C3000XGM ?
S Hovanec reply :
S is shallow spool
M is medium spool
HG is high gear
The C prefix is compact body. Meaning a c3000, is a 2500 body.
Bass&PanMan reply :
thanks fella, really helpful. s and m make sense but what are the advantages to HG a C models ?On 6/9/2015 at 10:52 AM, S Hovanec said:S is shallow spool
M is medium spool
HG is high gear
The C prefix is compact body. Meaning a c3000, is a 2500 body.
Bass&PanMan reply :
novice question but if you do to ask, you don't learn, how come you went with the Twin Power instead of the Stradic CI4 ?On 6/9/2015 at 10:13 AM, S Hovanec said:I was real close to pulling this trigger on a Stella for my new DS rod, then the new Twinpowers were released. That's where I threw my money. Plus, the Stella wouldn't have matched the new rod as well!
BasshunterJGH reply :
With the hg you're getting a faster gear ratio, just like in baitcasters. For example, a Metanium 100 (6.3:1) vs 100hg (7.4:1) vs 100xG (8.5:1). This has advantages for different situations, personally I would prefer the hg for anything I do with a spinning combo, dropshots, shakeyheads, tubes, etc. Basically the benefits of the c are a 2500 size reel with a 3000 size spool, which does nothing for me. I'd rather have it the other way around.On 6/9/2015 at 10:56 AM, Bass&PanMan said:thanks fella, really helpful. s and m make sense but what are the advantages to HG a C models ?
BasshunterJGH reply :
I'm also interested in hearing about the twin power. Looking at both the 2500s and 3000xg models.
Hooligan reply :
Is it worth the money? I have six of them and say not in a million years. It's no more functional than the Sustain or Stradic.
Is it worth the money? I have six of them and they're absolutely flawless in build quality and performance. They are one of the finest finished reels that I have ever had the pleasure of fishing.
Depends on who is answering the question, and which should he happens to be sitting on. It also depends on whether I'm actually fishing a spinning feel, or not, when you ask me. When I have an Antares in my hand, nope. Not worth it for the Stella. When I have a Stella in my hand, you better believe it.
S Hovanec reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 11:02 AM, Bass&PanMan said:novice question but if you do to ask, you don't learn, how come you went with the Twin Power instead of the Stradic CI4 ?
Not a bad question. There are a few different answers to it too.
1. I already have 2 USDM CI4s and wanted to try something different.
2. The black and red of the CI4 wouldn't match the new rod.
3. I wanted a metal framed reel.
4. Wanted a reel with a shallow spool.
5. Quite possibly the biggest reason, I wanted something that was different!
I could have got the Rarenium CI4 to achieve 1, 2, 4 and 5 and almost did that too, but the size/gear/spool configuration I wanted wasn't offered in the Rarenium.
S Hovanec reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 11:42 AM, BasshunterJGH said:I'm also interested in hearing about the twin power. Looking at both the 2500s and 3000xg models.
Once I fish mine, I'll post a review. It may be a while as the intended rod is still in pieces.
Bass&PanMan reply :
I never thought about the red color scheme clashing with the blue of the NRX.
S Hovanec mentions that he went with the Twin Power as it gave him the size/gear/spool config that the CI4+ didn't. That leads me to another question, what is the size/gear/spool config best suited to the NRX 822s SYR for Shakey Head fishing using an 1/8oz and 10lb Sunline SX1 braid to 7lb Sunline Shooter Fluro ?
John G reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 7:12 PM, Bass&PanMan said:I never thought about the red color scheme clashing with the blue of the NRX.
S Hovanec mentions that he went with the Twin Power as it gave him the size/gear/spool config that the CI4+ didn't. That leads me to another question, what is the size/gear/spool config best suited to the NRX 822s SYR for Shakey Head fishing using an 1/8oz and 10lb Sunline SX1 braid to 7lb Sunline Shooter Fluro ?
If I had that rod, I would have a Shimano Rareneium 2500 CI4+ mounted on it.
S Hovanec reply :
I chose the HGS because I dropshot in deep water and wanted a fast retrieve to get the lure up quick a d the shallow spool because I only put 50 yards of braid on my reel. Don't need much backing with the shallow spool. The 2500s is rated to hold 100 or so yards of 4# mono.
Bass&PanMan reply :
The drag ratio of the Stradic CI4+ is 6 vs 5 of the Rareneium. For Shaky Head fishing, would a higher drag ration be preferable ?
S Hovanec reply :
To me, maximum drag means nothing on a spinning rod that light. you're never going to have a drag setting over 3 or 4 pounds and more likely less than 2.5 for your 7# leader. If you lock it down, you'll probably snap the leader on the hookset.
Bass&PanMan reply :
Apologies, I used mixed terms. I meant Gear Ratio
The gear ration of the 2500 stella and stradic ci4+ are both 6:0:1 compared to the Rareneium which is 5:0:1.
S Hovanec reply :
Correct. And that's why I went with the Twinpower HG, because the HG is a 6.0 gear ratio.
I don't know which ratio would be more desirable for shakeyhead as I don't fish it.
flyfisher reply :
Did i really just read that a consideration of a reel is how it matches, color wise, to a rod? that is a new one for me.
I have never used a stella other than in a store checking one out but i am happy with my stradics.
S Hovanec reply :
You most certainly did. Life's too short to fish with ugly equipment, especially when you're putting that much money in it. A CI4 looks like ass on a blue/green SCV.On 6/9/2015 at 10:16 PM, flyfisher said:Did i really just read that a consideration of a reel is how it matches, color wise, to a rod?
I actually build my rods to complement the intended reels. NFC with charcoal wraps and red trim to match a CI4. SCV with Ti guides and steel blue trim to match a Stradic MG. I have a silver rodgeeks that will be wrapped to match my other CI4. Had I not found the old Sustain in my reel box, I would have bought something with gold accents to go with my Spybait build.
flyfisher reply :
i guess that is true, just not how i view things. If i was making my own rods, which it seems that you are, then i would probably do the same thing.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 10:16 PM, flyfisher said:Did i really just read that a consideration of a reel is how it matches, color wise, to a rod? that is a new one for me.
I have never used a stella other than in a store checking one out but i am happy with my stradics.
When you make rods as pretty as ^^^^^ he does, you want them to match. I used to never care about matching rods and reels until I started building.
S Hovanec reply :
Little off topic, but this rod was designed around the reel.
senile1 reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 11:03 PM, S Hovanec said:Little off topic, but this rod was designed around the reel.
That is a thing of beauty!
Bass&PanMan reply :
Nice. I'm thinking of sticking with the Stradic, I can't see even the Twin Power is worth $100 more and then the Stella is like $350 more.
John G reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 10:16 PM, flyfisher said:Did i really just read that a consideration of a reel is how it matches, color wise, to a rod? that is a new one for me.
There has been more than one Thread on this subject over the years.
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/155121-anyone-not-care-about-there-combos-appearance-or-colors/
dam0007 reply :
I run a few Stradics. Love them. With that being said last year I almost bought a Stella for SW until I handled the Sustain FG which I bought. Between those 2 I couldn't justify the difference. But I'm also talking a 6000 size reel. Stella is awesome but I think it's over kill for a shakey head exclusive combo.
buzzed bait reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 10:16 PM, flyfisher said:Did i really just read that a consideration of a reel is how it matches, color wise, to a rod? that is a new one for me.
man i started a thread on this vey topic not too very long ago and you'd be surprised. About 1/2 the people on here take color into consideration on the rod/reel purchase.... i'm with you, doesn't matter, but to many it does.
John G reply :
On 6/10/2015 at 3:07 AM, buzzed bait said:man i started a thread on this vey topic not too very long ago and you'd be surprised. About 1/2 the people on here take color into consideration on the rod/reel purchase.... i'm with you, doesn't matter, but to many it does.
It matters to me. I am not going to buy a green NRX and then put a red Scorpion on it. Reel colors that are acceptable for a green NRX would be green, white, gold and silver with green and silver leading the way. With a black NRX with blue wraps, black, gold, silver and gray with black and silver looking the best IMHO. The thing that is great about a black rod is any reel color will match but it's nice if you can color coordinate the reel with the lettering on the rod. For example, a Loomis MBR IMX or GLX is a black rod with gold lettering. A Conquest looks great on a Loomis MBR IMX or GLX because they are both black and Gold.
Yes, I am serious about this. LOL
buzzed bait reply :
On 6/10/2015 at 3:20 AM, John G said:It matters to me. I am not going to buy a green NRX and then put a red Scorpion on it. Reel colors that are acceptable for a green NRX would be green, white, gold and silver with green and silver leading the way. With a black NRX with blue wraps, black, gold, silver and gray with black and silver looking the best IMHO. The thing that is great about a black rod is any reel color will match but it's nice if you can color coordinate the reel with the lettering on the rod. For example, a Loomis MBR IMX or GLX is a black rod with gold lettering. A Conquest looks great on a Loomis MBR IMX or GLX because they are both black and Gold.
Yes, I am serious about this. LOL
i know you are and i truly appreciate it! i just don't pay attention to fine details like that so it doesn't bother me, but i completely get it. all that said, my red cumara/chronarch ci4+ are a sweet looking pair both with that dark red. also the lew's TP/daiwa tatula rod are a pretty nice looking pair as are the lew's bb1/tatula pair. i've just never put enough thought in at the time of purchase for it to be a consideration. i'm typically application first/price second/all else last.
now all that said, the stella would probably look good on any rod!!! that twin power looks amazing too though, probably couldn't go wrong here if you have that kind of coin to spend....
Bass&PanMan reply :
Anyone had experience with the Shimano Stradic CI4+ 2500HGS Complex.
It looks to have a nice color scheme.
J Francho reply :
The ladies like a man with a nice reel.
*Hootie reply :
No.
Hootie
S Hovanec reply :
That new Stradic may have just bumped the CI4 off of my new tube rod and make me change the wraps from red to blue.
If they were available, one of these would be on a plane bound for the US tomorrow!
roadwarrior reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 3:57 PM, Hooligan said:Is it worth the money? I have six of them and say not in a million years. It's no more functional than the Sustain or Stradic.
Is it worth the money? I have six of them and they're absolutely flawless in build quality and performance. They are one of the finest finished reels that I have ever had the pleasure of fishing.
Depends on who is answering the question, and which should he happens to be sitting on. It also depends on whether I'm actually fishing a spinning feel, or not, when you ask me. When I have an Antares in my hand, nope. Not worth it for the Stella. When I have a Stella in my hand, you better believe it.
It's like holding "kitty cat" in the palm of your hands.
For enthusiasts only.
Lucky Craft Man reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 10:50 PM, flyfisher said:i guess that is true, just not how i view things. If i was making my own rods, which it seems that you are, then i would probably do the same thing.
Scott makes more than just rods. These are works of art and I never cared about a reel matching a rod, but after Scott made a few rods for me, it's an insult to the rod to not have it complimented by the reel. With the fly rods he has made (and will make) me, I even try to have the line color match as best I can.
flyfisher reply :
you guys are into it 
nothing wrong with that
and those are some nice rods for sure.
masterbass reply :
The stella is probably an amazing reel, but I'd never spend that much cash for 2 reasons: it's out of my price range and I don't use spinning gear that often. When I do use it, I'm completely fine with my president. I've asked this question before too because I can't wrap my head around what an $800 spinning reel does better.
bass1980 reply :
Well after close to 10 trips on my Stella and landing some nice size fish I can definitely say the Stella FI is one amazing reel. Tested it against a buddies Stella FE and the FI is smoother. Fished it side by side with my ci4+ and I once thought my ci4+ was buttery smooth but now it seems semi rough when picking up the Stella right after. Is it worth it? My honest opinion is a fresh water spinning reel should never be sold over $500 unless made of platinum and diamonds. I just can't see enough benefits to the techs added in a spinning reel unlike a baitcaster. I got mine for a really good deal but it was still over $500.
Even with my opinions, my Stella is definitely worth it to me lol. Why is it worth it, well it puts a smile to my face every time I use it knowing it performs just as good as it looks. It does not make fish jump in the boat but it makes me enjoy fishing even more knowing I'm focusing on the fish, lure, and my gears. Well this post keeps getting off track with color coordinating but I guess I can contribute with a picture of my setup. Hey it even color matches!
SirSnookalot reply :
I'm sure it's nice a reel but it isn't worth it to me. I've used a 4000 several times, a bit nicer than a stradic but not enough nicer to warrant the price for me. When it comes to a high end offshore reel the stella is a nice choice, but there are other very good options.
If one is into reviews Alan Hawke gives some of the most comprehensive reviews I've read. His reviews are based on disassemble and examining the parts for quality, then field tested. At one time the stella was his #1 offshore reel, it no longer is in his top 5.
John G reply :
On 6/10/2015 at 3:50 PM, SirSnookalot said:I'm sure it's nice a reel but it isn't worth it to me. I've used a 4000 several times, a bit nicer than a stradic but not enough nicer to warrant the price for me. When it comes to a high end offshore reel the stella is a nice choice, but there are other very good options.
If one is into reviews Alan Hawke gives some of the most comprehensive reviews I've read. His reviews are based on disassemble and examining the parts for quality, then field tested. At one time the stella was his #1 offshore reel, it no longer is in his top 5.
Snook, this isn't a smart remark at you but I dont think the guys at Shimano that design the SW Stella give a rats hiney what Alan Hawke says about the Stella. I looked up the financial numbers for Shimano, 2014 I think, and they credited the new Stella with a lot of their worldwide sales so the way they see it, people are happy with the new Stella.
All they said about the new Stella was that it was met with a very positive reception.
Go to page 2
http://www.shimano.com/content/dam/corporate/Financial%20Information/Summary%20of%20Financial%20Results/Summary%20of%20Financial%20Results%20FY2014-Q3.pdf
a1712 reply :
On 6/10/2015 at 4:19 AM, Bass&PanMan said:Anyone had experience with the Shimano Stradic CI4+ 2500HGS Complex.
It looks to have a nice color scheme.
Fished Mon. out of a boat that had 7 Complex CI4 2500HGS F6's on the deck. 3 of them were mine and the other 4 were my buddy Mike's who is a full time Guide. All 7 just replaced Complex BB's, monster nice Spinning Reel at $200. Brian.
Preytorien reply :
On 6/10/2015 at 1:39 PM, bass1980 said:Well after close to 10 trips on my Stella and landing some nice size fish I can definitely say the Stella FI is one amazing reel. Tested it against a buddies Stella FE and the FI is smoother. Fished it side by side with my ci4+ and I once thought my ci4+ was buttery smooth but now it seems semi rough when picking up the Stella right after. Is it worth it? My honest opinion is a fresh water spinning reel should never be sold over $500 unless made of platinum and diamonds. I just can't see enough benefits to the techs added in a spinning reel unlike a baitcaster. I got mine for a really good deal but it was still over $500.
Even with my opinions, my Stella is definitely worth it to me lol. Why is it worth it, well it puts a smile to my face every time I use it knowing it performs just as good as it looks. It does not make fish jump in the boat but it makes me enjoy fishing even more knowing I'm focusing on the fish, lure, and my gears. Well this post keeps getting off track with color coordinating but I guess I can contribute with a picture of my setup. Hey it even color matches!
Wow.....all I can say is wow.
That's a gorgeous rig!
Maico1 reply :
To answer your question a Stella is worth every penny it costs and then some provided you own one. Now that does not mean everyone has to agree about owning a Stella it just says they are one sweet reel and you will appreciate it more and more as they stand the test of time as well. Just like a Conquest 50 they are built like tanks and can be handed down to your Grandchildren if you so choose. I for one enjoy my gear to the fullest and feel there is something to be said about enjoying yourself while out on the water. So my advice to you is buy what you can and enjoy it to the fullest because is not that what it is all about, but only you can be the judge as to what works for you.......
Bass&PanMan reply :
Is that the Destroyer X7 Spinning 6'6" Parry Arc rod ? It certainly looks awesome but tell us what you use that setup for ? What line do you use ?On 6/10/2015 at 1:39 PM, bass1980 said:Well after close to 10 trips on my Stella and landing some nice size fish I can definitely say the Stella FI is one amazing reel. Tested it against a buddies Stella FE and the FI is smoother. Fished it side by side with my ci4+ and I once thought my ci4+ was buttery smooth but now it seems semi rough when picking up the Stella right after. Is it worth it? My honest opinion is a fresh water spinning reel should never be sold over $500 unless made of platinum and diamonds. I just can't see enough benefits to the techs added in a spinning reel unlike a baitcaster. I got mine for a really
bass1980 reply :
6'10 X7 Simoom.
Drop shot, fat ika, and walleye fishing.
15lb PP with 8lb leader
new2BC4bass reply :
I am not going to read through this thread. I am going to simply state that no way would it be worth it to me. 1) I don't use a spinning reel often enough to justify that kind of expense. 2) I don't have a spare kidney left.
S Hovanec reply :
I apologize for derailing the original topic earlier. The only one that can say if its worth it is you. Some people drive an Acura and some drive a Honda. They both get you to work, one just gets you there a little smoother.
I will own a Stella someday, but until then, I'm happy with my Sustains, Stradics and Twinpowers.
thehooligan reply :
I dont use spinning reels anymore, but if i ever decide to it will definitely be a stella. I was fortunate to have a stella 1000fe and its an amazing reel. The ci4+ will take care of business, but the stella will keep you grinning all day long 
SirSnookalot reply :
On 6/10/2015 at 4:54 PM, John G said:Snook, this isn't a smart remark at you but I dont think the guys at Shimano that design the SW Stella give a rats hiney what Alan Hawke says about the Stella. I looked up the financial numbers for Shimano, 2014 I think, and they credited the new Stella with a lot of their worldwide sales so the way they see it, people are happy with the new Stella.
All they said about the new Stella was that it was met with a very positive reception.
Go to page 2
http://www.shimano.com/content/dam/corporate/Financial%20Information/Summary%20of%20Financial%20Results/Summary%20of%20Financial%20Results%20FY2014-Q3.pdf
Shimano may not care but people that buy reels seem to pay a lot of attention to reviews. His reviews are quite detailed, not a one liner based on a few outings. One may agree with him or not, but he puts a lot of time and energy into them. This is his last Stella review, just about all his reviews are similarly done in the same fashion.
http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/13SW.html
J Francho reply :
I keep a few Stellas in the toolbox in the truck, in case I need to change a tire. You have to chock the wheels with something! They're just the right shape.
*Hootie reply :
I doubt if Marlon Brando would think Stella was worth that much money. You young guys won't even understand that comment....lol.
Hootie
doublest reply :
On 6/10/2015 at 10:40 PM, *Hootie said:I doubt if Marlon Brando would think Stella was worth that much money. You young guys won't even understand that comment....lol.
Hootie
Maybe shimano would rename it the Blanche to suit him, she was better looking anyway. Go with the wind
J Francho reply :
Frankly my dear, I don't give a d**n.
Dwight Hottle reply :
I don't think the Stella is worth the money when you compare it to a Daiwa Certate. Currently JDM Stella is $499 for a 14 Stella 2500. The Certate is $265 for a Daiwa 13 2500. I only own shimano bait casters for the record but I have five certates. I have fished with a friends stella I can't tell the difference between them & a certate. Just my opinion.
If you really want a stella go for it.
Kidflex reply :
Alan hawk is well known and respected for his detailed reports on high end reels. Many people regard his findings as scripture. Most people will not and do not venture into the world of "enthusiast" tackle and never understand the performance vs price issue. Although very small differences in performance to the average angler it is what keeps the enthusiasts slobbering over the latest and greatest. I appreciate what goes into high end reels and get a lot of satisfaction from them. More so than my mid tier stuff. Maybe I just try to justify it in my head because of the money involved but it makes me happy none the less. Bottom line only you can decide if it is worth it. I do agree with the daiwa certate comment. It is every bit as good as a Stella for cheaper.
Bass&PanMan reply :
Is the Certate for $265 (Daiwa 13 2500) the latest model ?On 6/10/2015 at 11:43 PM, Dwight Hottle said:I don't think the Stella is worth the money when you compare it to a Daiwa Certate. Currently JDM Stella is $499 for a 14 Stella 2500. The Certate is $265 for a Daiwa 13 2500. I only own shimano bait casters for the record but I have five certates. I have fished with a friends stella I can't tell the difference between them & a certate. Just my opinion.
If you really want a stella go for it.
If so, would you kindly PM me where I can buy it from.
John G reply :
On 6/11/2015 at 4:15 AM, Bass&PanMan said:Is the Certate for $265 (Daiwa 13 2500) the latest model ?
If so, would you kindly PM me where I can buy it from.
Did you bother to check out the link that I gave you in the second post of this Thread?
Bass&PanMan reply :
Got it
https://japanlureshop.com/reel/shimano/shimano-spinning.html?dir=desc&limit=all&order=price
First time I tried the URL, I got a DNS issue. It must just have been bad timing.
Me thinks there will be lots of JDM fishing gear coming my way
John G reply :
On 6/11/2015 at 4:26 AM, Bass&PanMan said:Got it
https://japanlureshop.com/reel/shimano/shimano-spinning.html?dir=desc&limit=all&order=price
First time I tried the URL, I got a DNS issue. It must just have been bad timing.
Me thinks there will be lots of JDM fishing gear coming my way
Welcome to The Darkside! Be warned, once you go there, there is no coming back! LOL
Bass&PanMan reply :
Oh I know, I'm into JDM for my golf clubs. My driver cost over a $1k so why not a rod and reel
*Hootie reply :
On 6/11/2015 at 4:42 AM, John G said:Welcome to The Darkside! Be warned, once you go there, there is no coming back! LOL
John, you're kind of like....well,....a pusher....lol.
Hootie
John G reply :
On 6/11/2015 at 4:50 AM, *Hootie said:John, you're kind of like....well,....a pusher....lol.
Hootie
I only push because someone pushed me first. LOL
Bass&PanMan reply :
I'm in, hook, line and sinker
Dwight Hottle reply :
I would pm you the info but John G already took care of it. Enjoy your new reel.
BasshunterJGH reply :
What rod is that for?On 6/9/2015 at 10:13 AM, S Hovanec said:I was real close to pulling this trigger on a Stella for my new DS rod, then the new Twinpowers were released. That's where I threw my money. Plus, the Stella wouldn't have matched the new rod as well!
S Hovanec reply :
On 6/11/2015 at 7:53 AM, BasshunterJGH said:What rod is that for?
It is for a SCV 610MLXF that will be extended to 7'. Fuji Torzite guides and a Split Tennessee grip. Currently, that rod is in pieces in my shop. The grip has been glued together but not turned yet.
Bass&PanMan reply :
So what do people know about the Daiwa Certate Japan model (2013 All NEW model) 2510PE-H ?
This looks to be the best reel for under $300.
It has 10+1 bearings. 6:0:1 Gear Ratio for fast retrieval but the description is confusing me as it talks about Salt Water fishing.
Let me know if your experience with this reel or other suggestions for best reel under $300.
I plan to use it for Shakey Head fishing, paired with a NRX 822S SYR using 10lb Sunline SX1 braid and an 1/8oz weight.
Master Bait'r reply :
It would be if I had more money!
Dwight Hottle reply :
That is my last acquisition. Made for braid with a faster gear ratio. It has a sealed line roller and rotor shaft. It is saltwater compatible. I use mine as a dedicated blade bait/jigging spoon combo.
BasshunterJGH reply :
I'd love to hear a comparison from someone about this vs the new twin power.On 6/11/2015 at 8:44 AM, Bass&PanMan said:So what do people know about the Daiwa Certate Japan model (2013 All NEW model) 2510PE-H ?
This looks to be the best reel for under $300.
It has 10+1 bearings. 6:0:1 Gear Ratio for fast retrieval but the description is confusing me as it talks about Salt Water fishing.
Let me know if your experience with this reel or other suggestions for best reel under $300.
I plan to use it for Shakey Head fishing, paired with a NRX 822S SYR using 10lb Sunline SX1 braid and an 1/8oz weight.
Bass&PanMan reply :
The Certate has one more bearing than the Twin Powers, weight and gear ratio the same.
So I have decided on the Diawa Certate but what is the preferred Gear Ratio for Shakey Head ?
Bass&PanMan reply :
I read that for baits fishing on the bottom then a higher gear ratio is preferred. The highest in a 2500 sized spinning reel seems to be 6:0:1 so I went with the Certate. $280 delivered which is $70 more than the Stradic CI4 so fingers crossed it works out.
Thanks all for your help.
J Francho reply :
For deep drop smallie fishing, I prefer a faster reel. It helps when they charge straight up to the surface. That's actually why I went with my CI4s (not the newer "+" versions) back when I got them. They were about the only light reel that was 6:1 with 34" ipt at the time.
Basswhippa reply :
This reel was mentioned on the most successful comedy show ever.
hoosierbass07 reply :
I'm a Shimano spinning reel fan. My top reel is a Stradic CI4+. If I had the money I might buy the Stella but only for eye candy. I just can't see what that reel would do over my Sahara's and Symetry and Stradic. If I fished with other people who knew about reels I would buy one just to show off. If gorgeous women would be in awe of me if they saw me with a Stella I would buy one. But I don't think any woman in Indiana would be impressed with an $800 spinning reel.
John G reply :
On 6/12/2015 at 7:48 AM, hoosierbass07 said:I'm a Shimano spinning reel fan. My top reel is a Stradic CI4+. If I had the money I might buy the Stella but only for eye candy. I just can't see what that reel would do over my Sahara's and Symetry and Stradic. If I fished with other people who knew about reels I would buy one just to show off. If gorgeous women would be in awe of me if they seen me with a Stella I would buy one. But I don't think any woman in Indiana would be impressed with an $800 spinning reel.
Well, you can have it for around $500.00 nowadays.
Dwight Hottle reply :
.On 6/12/2015 at 7:48 AM, hoosierbass07 said:I'm a Shimano spinning reel fan. My top reel is a Stradic CI4+. If I had the money I might buy the Stella but only for eye candy. I just can't see what that reel would do over my Sahara's and Symetry and Stradic. If I fished with other people who knew about reels I would buy one just to show off. If gorgeous women would be in awe of me if they seen me with a Stella I would buy one. But I don't think any woman in Indiana would be impressed with an $800 spinning reel.
She might if her name was Stella
hoosierbass07 reply :
Now that I've had a chance to think about it - my Stradic CI4+ is my first high premium spinning reel. I have noticed over the spring that the reel is significantly lighter than my Saharas and Symetry reels. I've never held a Stella before. So if the Stella is as light or lighter than my CI4+ I could see me wanting one. That CI4+ is so light I had to get used to casting a little different than the way I cast with my Saharas and Symetry.
S Hovanec reply :
On 6/13/2015 at 2:08 AM, hoosierbass07 said:I've never held a Stella before. So if the Stella is as light or lighter than my CI4+ I could see me wanting one.
Stella is a metal bodied real, therefore it will be heavier than your CI4.
Bass&PanMan reply :
So I went with the DAIWA 13CERTATE 2510PE-H but some posts have me second guessing myself that I should have gone Shimano Twin Power 15 route.
Can someone help and list the pros and cons of each reel ?
For reference, I plan on using it for my Fresh Water Spinning setup for Large Mouth Bass on a clear lake without much weed using 16lb Sunline SX1 braid and either Sunline Shooter or Sniper 12lb Fluro with a weightless Or T-Rigged Senko.
Thanks in advance
k3bass reply :
On 6/16/2015 at 1:51 AM, Bass&PanMan said:So I went with the DAIWA 13CERTATE 2510PE-H but some posts have me second guessing myself that I should have gone Shimano Twin Power 15 route.
Can someone help and list the pros and cons of each reel ?
For reference, I plan on using it for my Fresh Water Spinning setup for Large Mouth Bass on a clear lake without much weed using 16lb Sunline SX1 braid and either Sunline Shooter or Sniper 12lb Fluro with a weightless Or T-Rigged Senko.
Thanks in advance
I have that same certate reel and the regular certate13 2500. Both are rock solid reels and by far the best spinning reels I've used. I've never used a twin powe, but I've owned a stella fe and two sustain fgs and the certates are better in my opinion.
Bass&PanMan reply :
I hear the word on the street is that the Evergreen Opus-1 despite its age still outshines even the newest Stella model. Does anyone have any experi nice with this spinning reel to back up these outlandish claims
J Francho reply :
It's $850, no warranty, and weighs over 9 oz. I'll stick with my wobbly, flimsy CI4 reels, lol.
John G reply :
Bass&PanMan, with all of the inquiries regarding rods n reels that you have made here and over at TT, have you actually bought any of it?
http://forums.tackletour.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=64429
Bass&PanMan reply :
I have 4 St Croix Avids, 2 Megabass and 1 NRX rods, 4 Shimano CI4+ and a Daiwa Certate reels.
I have been fishing less than a month.
Are you the guy that tried to sell me a used Megabass Rod And had a hissy fit when I suggested your price was too high ?
For the records, I got the same Rod new for $125 cheaper delivered.
d-camarena reply :
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John G reply :
On 6/19/2015 at 11:52 PM, Bass&PanMan said:I have 4 St Croix Avids, 2 Megabass and 1 NRX rods, 4 Shimano CI4+ and a Daiwa Certate reels.
I have been fishing less than a month.
Are you the guy that tried to sell me a used Megabass Rod And had a hissy fit when I suggested your price was too high ?
For the records, I got the same Rod new for $125 cheaper delivered.
You have me confused with someone else as I have never owned a Megabass rod.,
Bass&PanMan reply :
Not sure about the Stella, I will get one eventually but the Daiwa Certate is a step up from the Stradic CI4+.
I will need to get a Shimano Twin Power before I decide what is the best reel for under $300
k3bass reply :
On 6/20/2015 at 10:50 AM, Bass&PanMan said:Not sure about the Stella, I will get one eventually but the Daiwa Certate is a step up from the Stradic CI4+.
I will need to get a Shimano Twin Power before I decide what is the best reel for under $300
The certates are an absolute steal at under 300 dollars. I will definitely be buying more of them soon. My 2500 is the smoothest spinning reel I've ever touched.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Get a garcia suveran last forever and one of the best gearing systems on the market they dont make them anymore though.i dont own one though i used one before and they are a league of there own.the main gear is on top of the pinion instead of beside it .IMO itss a whole dif feeling
k3bass reply :
On 6/21/2015 at 11:15 PM, Maxximus Redneckus said:Get a garcia suveran last forever and one of the best gearing systems on the market they dont make them anymore though.i dont own one though i used one before and they are a league of there own.the main gear is on top of the pinion instead of beside it .IMO itss a whole dif feeling
They are good reels but they are nearly impossible to find new or even in any condition at all.
Bass&PanMan reply :
On 6/19/2015 at 10:29 PM, John G said:Bass&PanMan, with all of the inquiries regarding rods n reels that you have made here and over at TT, have you actually bought any of it?
http://forums.tackletour.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=64429
Further to the above, just got an EVERGREEN INSPIRARE TKIC-610MR Super Cougar with a Shimano Aldebaran 51. Hedgehog AIR 3x10x4 SET for Shimano Bearings too.
John G reply :
On 6/24/2015 at 8:48 AM, Bass&PanMan said:Further to the above, just got an EVERGREEN INSPIRARE TKIC-610MR Super Cougar with a Shimano Aldebaran 51. Hedgehog AIR 3x10x4 SET for Shimano Bearings too.
Great! Is this your first casting reel?
Bass&PanMan reply :
It is, I fish a clear, pretty weed and other nasties free lake so I don't need anything too heavy so I have stuck with spinning gear but for motion baits, I thought I would give casting gear a try
John G reply :
I thought so. I remember in your straight flouro Thread you mentioned that you got a birdsnest. I kinda figured that was with spinning gear. My advice to a first time user of a baitcaster is to buy yourself a couple spools of 10 to 12# Big Game and practice with that instead of an expensive line. I don't know why you bought the bearings because the bearings that come in that Aldebaran are more than likely very high quality bearing but hey, it's your money. LOL
Bass&PanMan reply :
I fell for the Tackle Tour review where their free spool tests went from 8 seconds of spin on our stock Chronarch 201E7 to 16 seconds
bass1980 reply :
Free spool has too many variables to reflect direct on water results. I have flushed my stock shimano ci4+, curado I, and 51e, not add any oil, fill it up with lines, and free spool that sucker a little over 30 seconds. I even have recordings of it lol. Add a drop of oil and it significantly have less free spool.
As for adding HH to your Aldebaran, should help it a bit. Will it help you cast further, who knows. I get HH or Abec 7's even on my high end reels because IMO it improves the ease of cast and casting mid range distance with less effort. There are two beliefs on after market bearings, I'm sure you can see by the different opinions of users on different forums.
As for why you got a birds nest, I wouldn't blame the bearings. You just set it too loose on your first attempt. Always set it with too much tension, and side arm cast it easily. Don't worry about distance as you are still learning the basics of throwing a baitcaster.
hawkoath reply :
On 6/21/2015 at 11:15 PM, Maxximus Redneckus said:Get a garcia suveran last forever and one of the best gearing systems on the market they dont make them anymore though.i dont own one though i used one before and they are a league of there own.the main gear is on top of the pinion instead of beside it .IMO itss a whole dif feeling
Wow. I haven't heard that name in a while and yeah it is probably one of the best if not the best classic reels ever. Though if I did get my hands on one of those I would never fish it. It would stay in an air controlled display case as I believe the Suveran is extremely hard to find and probably much more of a collectable than the Stella A will ever be.
Bass&PanMan reply :
I just bought two Stella C3000XG's and whilst I don't have a lot of time on the water with them, are they worth double that of the Daiwa Certate 2510pe-h, I am saying no.
Everything has been designed well on the Stella, the smallest detail has been discovered but when it is on the rod, the performance isn't that giant leap I was expecting
J Francho reply :
After the $150 mark, there generally is no leap in performance, if any. It's usually materials, design, or durability that justify the expense, not performance. Let's face it, a spinning reel either works or it doesn't. Even a $20 cheap I feels smooth right out of the box. Down the road…you get what you pay for.
masterbass reply :
I don't own any high end spinning reels because I don't use spinning gear often and I'm happy with my pfluegers when I do. I believe that all spinning reels of comparable size cast the same. I'm sure there is a difference in smoothness of retrieve and long term durability, but I don't see the value of spending that kind of cash on a bass sized spinning reel. My pfluegers are going on 5 years and still smooth.
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