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My $1.40 Chinese Baitcaster Arrived Today. 2024


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

My new Chinese baitcasting reel arrived today and it looks awesome. I hope to spool it up and throw a casting plug on it and test it. I'm impressed in the workmanship and the quality so far I'm hooked.

The brand on the box is Dyna-Nicer model DM120RA it has 11 ball bearings. And a 6:3 ratio.

Low profile

Fully adjustable magnetic cast control

Magnetic brake control

Titanium coated line guide

Proted aluminum forged spool

New gear structure precision machined gears

One way bearing for the power lock system(drag)

Quick access removable side late unlimited anti reverse

Soft touch thumb bar

It says this on the box. Now to test it. The fit and finish looks great.

It did arrive three weeks early. I'll post more as I get into it, I should of purchased two, one for complete disassembly for inspection of every part.


fishing user avatarzachb34 reply : 

Pictures?


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

I just ordered another one, plus three spinning reels too.

I'll see if I can get my pics working.

With shipping it was $30. There marked now at $29.00 + $5 ship.

I see the lures from China aren't 5 fer & 4 fer $4 or $5 anymore with some of them are $4 each.


fishing user avatarSam reply : 

How about getting a friend to video you using the reel so when it blows up we can all see it happen.


fishing user avatarjimmykm21 reply : 
  On 8/14/2013 at 9:14 AM, Sam said:

How about getting a friend to video you using the reel so when it blows up we can all see it happen.

lol


fishing user avatarDarren. reply : 
  On 8/14/2013 at 9:05 AM, zachb34 said:

Pictures?

x2!! Let's see it! :smiley:


fishing user avatarbluezed reply : 

In for pics! 


fishing user avatarGoose52 reply : 

Search Amazon for that model number - you'll see pics of the reel.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

Most of our tackle is manufactured there anyhow. Like what's the problem.

Let's face it when I lost my job on '83, '84 & '85 due to cheaper imports no one cared about me or it happening. I worked only 9 months in three years. I knew it would happen to more of us as time went on. I changed my trade three times to survive. I want the best quality product for the least spent money and I don't care were it's manufactured.

I'm done fighting the tide with layoffs. I went thru he'll with them. I think everyone should get a taste of what I went thru. Don't give me that buy American made stuff.

Thank God my hard work ethics rubbed off on my three kids. They all own there own homes and have successful jobs. They have good educations too.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

I only posted about this affordable baitcaster if someone wanted to try using a baitcaster reel at a affordable cost incase they didn't like it they won't have invesTed too much money. If they do like baitcasting they could purchase a better reel down the road.

I did not mean to flame anyone in the process, sorry if I did.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 
  On 8/14/2013 at 10:40 AM, Goose52 said:

Search Amazon for that model number - you'll see pics of the reel.

Goose52, At Amazon they have two different prices on it. One is $95 and the other is $29. I searched for it by the manufacturers name on Amazon and the Garcia baitcaster came up and it looks exactly the same reel. I'm thinking they manufacturer it for Garcia too possibly. We are teaching them how to manufacture by sending our work over there. Every rod I have says made in China.

I like to see things kept affordable so the younger kids can afford to fish too. I purchased very little when I was a kid, I would use my lunch money for some fishing stuff.


fishing user avatarMichiganFishing1997 reply : 

Looks like my pro max..


fishing user avatarCapt.Bob reply : 
  On 8/14/2013 at 10:42 AM, bigbill said:

Most of our tackle is manufactured there anyhow. Like what's the problem.

Let's face it when I lost my job on '83, '84 & '85 due to cheaper imports no one cared about me or it happening. I worked only 9 months in three years. I knew it would happen to more of us as time went on. I changed my trade three times to survive. I want the best quality product for the least spent money and I don't care were it's manufactured.

I'm done fighting the tide with layoffs. I went thru he'll with them. I think everyone should get a taste of what I went thru. Don't give me that buy American made stuff.

Thank God my hard work ethics rubbed off on my three kids. They all own there own homes and have successful jobs. They have good educations too.

Really?????   I never thought of wishing my misfortune on anybody,,,,,,,, :tsk-tsk: the new American way,,,,,,, :sad-012:


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

Never knock your fellow man you'll never know what he has been thru. I never wish anything on anybody but there is karma and were all paying the price for big corporate profits. The American car manufactures are getting it right now


fishing user avatarSirSnookalot reply : 

$1.40 wow, do they have a $2.00 rod to go with it?  As far as I'm concerned, if it works I don't care where it's made.

 

Saw an expose on CNBC last week about the fish industry for consumption and what China is exporting to the U.S. I don't recall how many species something like over a 100 and how many more American jobs have been created in the fish distribution industry.  Many people seem to only focus on the manufacturing sector, but there is more to a global economy.


fishing user avatar*Hootie reply : 
  On 8/14/2013 at 9:14 AM, Sam said:

How about getting a friend to video you using the reel so when it blows up we can all see it happen.

Now, c'mon Sam, don't p#$$ on Big Bill's experiment. Wish him the best.

Hootie


fishing user avatarSam reply : 

BigBill, we are just having some fun.

 

Not only do we want to see the reel but we want to know how it performs.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

I think we can get on a ground level of these imports before they go sky high.


fishing user avatarbuzzfrog reply : 

is that how much you paid, or how much it cost to make, I don't see anything that price on amazon


fishing user avatarAK-Jax86 reply : 

Where the pics $2 reel ill get a few


fishing user avatarAK-Jax86 reply : 
  On 8/14/2013 at 9:38 PM, buzzfrog said:

is that how much you paid, or how much it cost to make, I don't see anything that price on amazon

Probably how much he paid not including shipping

If there was a $1.40 baitcaster on amazon they would always be sold out


fishing user avatarloudcherokee reply : 

Tagging for the review. This thing does look like the promax. interested to see how it pans out.

LC


fishing user avatarlmbfisherman reply : 

What would make me wary of buying a BC at this price and where it was "coming from" would be longevity and quality.  It sounds like it would be like a "disposable" reel after a few outings not to mention the difficulty of replacing parts.  But hey, I'd be curious to see your review on it still. 


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

I bid the $1.40 they asked and paid the $29 ship. They reversed it now it's $29 + $5 to ship. I ordered another one last night. I want to use baitcasters for my spinnerbaits

Go to Amazon.com and search for DM120RA this gray and red reel will come up under another brand. But it's a twin to the Garcia reel that comes up too?

The only problem so far is the book that comes with the reel is all in Chinese. It comes with a reel cover/bag too.

It's not listed on eBay by the manufactures name or model number if you search for baitcaster reel it will be there it starts off with 11BB.


fishing user avatarbuzzfrog reply : 

ok I see a 30 buck one, musta jacked price up then. so tech is a 30 some buck reel


fishing user avatarzachb34 reply : 

These may be OEM reels?


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

I just ordered 3 New baitcasting rods for $30 with shipping. From "fish and save" I looked everywhere but no really good deals. I did order some more Mann's spinnerbaits from BPS. My cheapest rod was $4.99 and the most expensive rod was $9.99. I'm not cheap I'm frugal.

Sorry but I wouldn't know the difference between a good rod or a telephone pole. I just need a decent reel with the better quality line.

You guys will beat me to death if I break the state record for LMB on cheap equipment?

My PB so far of 10lbs. Was caught with a Shakespeare Blackbeauty 6' rod with a quantum spinning reel using Excalibur silver thread 8lb. line, using a rebel BIG CLAW crawfish crankbait at 4:30/5:00am. Two feet from shore while casting parallel to the shoreline. Good quality line does matter and having your drag adjusted correctly too.


fishing user avatargravestone reply : 

Chinese reels make good sinkers.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 
  On 8/15/2013 at 6:17 AM, zachb34 said:

These may be OEM reels?

It looks really like the Garcia baitcaster?


fishing user avatartomustang reply : 

Come on bill, you going to make everyone else do the work and find this? Post the pics up!


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 
  On 8/15/2013 at 5:50 AM, buzzfrog said:

ok I see a 30 buck one, musta jacked price up then. so tech is a 30 some buck reel

There is a similar reel at Amazon one is marked $29 & the other is marked $95 for the same exact model number reel.


fishing user avatarzachb34 reply :  http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=161045797251
fishing user avatarHattrick7 reply : 

A buck and a half for a reel? A bottle of soda costs more than that.


fishing user avatarJD96 reply : 

Either way, seems a bit sketchy, A Black max is a fairly usable cheap reel for 50..


fishing user avatarBlues19 reply : 

BIgBill, how does it feel? Looks nice. Good find!


fishing user avatarslonezp reply : 

Don't let the kids chew on it. They're liable to get lead poisoning.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 
  On 8/15/2013 at 9:44 AM, ataris41 said:

BIgBill, how does iwt feel? Looks nice. Good find!

That's the problem it feels great, no gear noise or chatter. I can't wait to use it.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 
  On 8/15/2013 at 7:56 AM, zachb34 said:

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=161045797251

This is it...It's Purdy.


fishing user avatarTylerVC reply : 

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=360686952110

Poor man's zillion.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

No way a poor man's reel. I'd rather save money to buy more lures. I can buy anything I want right now but I'm frugal too, not cheap.

I think it's a great entry level baitcasting reel. It's affordable for the younger crowd.


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 
  On 8/15/2013 at 11:50 AM, bigbill said:

I think it's a great entry level baitcasting reel. It's affordable for the younger crowd.

 

What do you base that statement on? You might fish the reel before recommending it

to anyone else. It may not mean anything to you to throw away $30, but "for the younger 

crowd" that might be quite a bit of money that could have been put to better use.


fishing user avatarBankbeater reply : 

Keep the package it came in.  You can reuse it for the recall.


fishing user avatarShane J reply : 

Yeah, if I was just starting with a baitcaster, I'd think saving an extra 20 bucks or whatever for a used Citica would be a much better investment, and would most likely be more user friendly than that thing. Plus, it'd still be in use next year. And the year after. Long after that one is in a landfill. You get what you pay for.


fishing user avatarMarkH024 reply : 

How about a shot of the internals?  You can make anything look beautiful on the outside with a little cosmetic mastering.  I'm curious to know the guts on this thing. 


fishing user avatarslonezp reply : 
  On 8/15/2013 at 8:36 PM, MarkH024 said:

How about a shot of the internals?  You can make anything look beautiful on the outside with a little cosmetic mastering.  I'm curious to know the guts on this thing. 

Reminds me of my bar drinking days. At least if you throw the reel away it won't keep calling you.


fishing user avatarKevin22 reply : 

How many of you that are saying it is crap have actually tried it? 

 

Don't judge a book by its cover (or author in this case). 


fishing user avatardeaknh03 reply : 

This reel might last for years and perform flawlessly, and it might crap out after this season. Bigbill is the only one going to find that out now. What does stand true over time, is that you do get what you pay for, almost every time.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

I have two Shakespeare baitcasting reels that cost me $12 and $15 over a decade ago that still function today and there quality is no were near this one. They might be two decades old. I'm very impressed with the workmanship inside this reel.

As soon as my new rods get here I'll hammer it with spinnerbaits and well see the bass beat it up too. I notice the bass will tear it up if it's not a quality product. I seen this with other spinning reels.

If your just getting into baitcasting and not sure if you will like it or not why not buy an affordable reel at first? That's why I purchased the shakespear reels first. I also have a newer Mitchell broadcaster too that cost me much more. I do have a super sized baitcaster setup with a larger quantum reel on it too. It's more for pike.

I use baitcasters for spinnerbaits and jig n pigs mainly.

Since I got away from the cheap low dollar borderline spinning reels I haven't had a problem with them. The Wal-Mart quantum, the vivas, the okumas, the finors and the pleugers all serve me well.

My D.A.M. Quick spinning reels from the 70's still are like new today. These were top of the line back then. These were my trout setups.

I do maintenance on every reel so if it fails it's not a lube problem

The cheap spinning reels were like $5 new. They were ultra light setups. They were good for trout but once the bass hit 3lbs they tore these reels up. Go figure. I figured using an ultra light setup for bass would be fun but the bass didn't agree. The drags and spool bearings were toast. These were name brand reels too

I contacted the manufacturer and they sent me new reels but there on the shelf to remind me.


fishing user avatarloudcherokee reply : 

Too bad we dont have some way of torture testing reels like they do glocks and other handguns: freezing them, burying them, dragging them behind cars and tossing them out of helicopters and what not.

Tie it to the leash of a great dane and throw a stick. report back :-p

LC


fishing user avatarRevival reply : 
  On 8/16/2013 at 12:36 AM, loudcherokee said:

Too bad we dont have some way of torture testing reels like they do glocks and other handguns: freezing them, burying them, dragging them behind cars and tossing them out of helicopters and what not.

Tie it to the leash of a great dane and throw a stick. report back :-p

LC

Throw in mud + catch state record = win


fishing user avatarRyneB reply : 

 I'm sure his $30 reel is still better than a Curado :poke:


fishing user avatarCapt.Bob reply : 
  On 8/16/2013 at 12:13 AM, bigbill said:

I have two Shakespeare baitcasting reels that cost me $12 and $15 over a decade ago that still function today and there quality is no were near this one. They might be two decades old. I'm very impressed with the workmanship inside this reel.

As soon as my new rods get here I'll hammer it with spinnerbaits and well see the bass beat it up too. I notice the bass will tear it up if it's not a quality product. I seen this with other spinning reels.

If your just getting into baitcasting and not sure if you will like it or not why not buy an affordable reel at first? That's why I purchased the shakespear reels first. I also have a newer Mitchell broadcaster too that cost me much more. I do have a super sized baitcaster setup with a larger quantum reel on it too. It's more for pike.

I use baitcasters for spinnerbaits and jig n pigs mainly.

Since I got away from the cheap low dollar borderline spinning reels I haven't had a problem with them. The Wal-Mart quantum, the vivas, the okumas, the finors and the pleugers all serve me well.

My D.A.M. Quick spinning reels from the 70's still are like new today. These were top of the line back then. These were my trout setups.

I do maintenance on every reel so if it fails it's not a lube problem

The cheap spinning reels were like $5 new. They were ultra light setups. They were good for trout but once the bass hit 3lbs they tore these reels up. Go figure. I figured using an ultra light setup for bass would be fun but the bass didn't agree. The drags and spool bearings were toast. These were name brand reels too

I contacted the manufacturer and they sent me new reels but there on the shelf to remind me.

I have to say this isn't telling much. I have used 1000 size Stradics on Lake Erie for years, one is a Stradic 1000MgFB and with 8LBS. Braid I have caught so many sheaphead over 6 or 7 pounds it waw rediculous, catfish over that same weight, all while Perch fishing, last year at Dale Hollow on a Crappie trip an 8 1/2 pound Blue Cat on the same reel, countless Walleyes over 1 to 10 LBS. and this little rig with a Loomis 6' LF rod that I still use today like new. Catching  to 5 pound bass on any reel should be expected to last forever. Maybe a bearing change on the line roller now and then, or a drag washer set sometime. I have found in these conditions every other brand has given out in less than a season with some, and none made three years without issues, and pitched. Bigger reels get the real test, fish to 20 pounds and boulder ridden raging rivers with stout no give Braid,,,,,, the ones I own today hold up to this year after year, bring those buble pack reels wally world sell's on, I hate to be honest, but you get what you pay for,,,, been that way for 60 years in my experience!  


fishing user avatarKhong reply : 

This is all I have to say, "When you meet up with Mr. Largmouth who weight in at 6-10lb, let us know if you didn't feel bad that you should have bought the real thing."

 

I hope that knock off serves it's true intention.


fishing user avatarjimmykm21 reply : 
  On 8/16/2013 at 12:13 AM, bigbill said:

I have two Shakespeare baitcasting reels that cost me $12 and $15 over a decade ago that still function today and there quality is no were near this one. They might be two decades old. I'm very impressed with the workmanship inside this reel.

As soon as my new rods get here I'll hammer it with spinnerbaits and well see the bass beat it up too. I notice the bass will tear it up if it's not a quality product. I seen this with other spinning reels.

If your just getting into baitcasting and not sure if you will like it or not why not buy an affordable reel at first? That's why I purchased the shakespear reels first. I also have a newer Mitchell broadcaster too that cost me much more. I do have a super sized baitcaster setup with a larger quantum reel on it too. It's more for pike.

I use baitcasters for spinnerbaits and jig n pigs mainly.

Since I got away from the cheap low dollar borderline spinning reels I haven't had a problem with them. The Wal-Mart quantum, the vivas, the okumas, the finors and the pleugers all serve me well.

My D.A.M. Quick spinning reels from the 70's still are like new today. These were top of the line back then. These were my trout setups.

I do maintenance on every reel so if it fails it's not a lube problem

The cheap spinning reels were like $5 new. They were ultra light setups. They were good for trout but once the bass hit 3lbs they tore these reels up. Go figure. I figured using an ultra light setup for bass would be fun but the bass didn't agree. The drags and spool bearings were toast. These were name brand reels too

I contacted the manufacturer and they sent me new reels but there on the shelf to remind me.

 

I can agree to a point on that but the easiest way too turn off a new angler who always casts a spinning reel.   Is to have him buy a cheap junk bait cast reel. You don't have to spend 100's of dollars on one

but there are good reels for $100.00 or so. When an angler uses a good quality baitcast  reel the learning curve is so much easier when switching over from a spinning reel.

 

I'm not saying that's what the reel is  you bought because no one knows yet until it's tested over a few months.


fishing user avatartomustang reply : 

Still no photo? Haven't even used it yet?..


fishing user avatarzachb34 reply : 
  On 8/16/2013 at 11:03 AM, tomustang said:

Still no photo? Haven't even used it yet?..

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fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

I started out with a $12 Shakespeare baitcaster.


fishing user avatartomustang reply : 
  On 8/16/2013 at 11:14 AM, zachb34 said:
  On 8/16/2013 at 11:03 AM, tomustang said:

Still no photo? Haven't even used it yet?..

Stock photos mean nothing, that's like seeing a fast food commercial and expecting the same thing when you order.


fishing user avatarJunkYard814 reply : 

I don't understand why you are defending this thing to the death without even using it? Would you buy a tire for your car that cost only $1.40? Probably not. I understand the saving money part, but don't get annoyed that we are skeptical. Basic principles of economics on quality and market value show that if the reel was really a top notch reel, you'd be paying a lot more than $2.00 for it. 

 

Back when I was in college, I used to buy and sell what a website called "authentic" sports jerseys. I was paying $20 for jerseys from China that should have cost over $200. They looked the real deal, but after a few times of wearing them, they began to fall apart. They worked for me because I was a college kid on a budget, but I would never go to a website filled with authentic jersey collectors pushing them to be an equal product for 10% of the price. 


fishing user avatarLoop_Dad reply : 

bigbill I hope these reels last for you. I really do.

 

I would have bought it and tried out if it was really $1.40. But shipping being $29, it is not really $1.40. I personally feel these tactics of cheep item with high s/h unethical and refuse to buy from seller like that.

 

Also where it is made is one thing, but which company oversees is another. Things like reels, the quality control matters a lot.


fishing user avatarrockchalk06 reply : 

Anyone who is thinking of starting out using a baitcaster and buys some POS special will be turned off in a second. I know I was. My first one lasted a whole 3 days and I gave up. It wasn't until 3 years later that I finally took the advise of a seasoned fisherman, purchased something worth crap and got back into it.


fishing user avatarSirSnookalot reply : 

I think a review of a reel is before it's used is worthless, but just as worthless is the skepticism placed on a product from those that haven't seen it or used it.  I'm neither pro nor con on this particular item and as with most items I don't take a review too serious until it's been in service for quite a while.  

I don't use b/c but I do use spinning, I own bubble pack reels in some smaller sizes as well as more expensive larger reels.  In fairness my less expensive reels don't get the stress put on them, they have lasted for years with no issues, I catch bass and peacocks in a freshwater environment.  I can't make the same claim with my more expensive reels, the conditions are much harsher and the fish are a bit different, I've yet to own one that hasn't needed some kind of repair.  There are certain brands and models that are not too popular here because of that durability factor.  Personally I highly doubt I'd ever spend over 75 bucks for freshwater spinning reel again, I think saharas come in a bubble pack and it's more than adequate for bass and peacocks.


fishing user avatar*Hootie reply : 

Bigbill, looks like this is one purchase you should have kept to yourself. It's driving everyone crazy. Next time you find something you think is a great deal, PM me, and tell me about it, and I'll be happy with you and for you. As far as everyone else....well, good luck with that....lol

Hootie


fishing user avatargravestone reply : 

Big difference in Chinese made reels and Japanese made reels. Chinese don't have the same tooling to make the same exact reel that was made in japan prior to made in china. It's been my experience that the Chinese reels are inferior. I personally boycott ANYTHING made in china ,I would rather do without than by Chinese.


fishing user avatarindianabasshunter reply : 
  On 8/16/2013 at 1:17 PM, rockchalk06 said:

Anyone who is thinking of starting out using a baitcaster and buys some POS special will be turned off in a second. I know I was. My first one lasted a whole 3 days and I gave up. It wasn't until 3 years later that I finally took the advise of a seasoned fisherman, purchased something worth crap and got back into it.

^^^^^ I had the same experience.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 
  On 8/16/2013 at 6:09 PM, hootiebenji said:

Bigbill, looks like this is one purchase you should have kept to yourself. It's driving everyone crazy. Next time you find something you think is a great deal, PM me, and tell me about it, and I'll be happy with you and for you. As far as everyone else....well, good luck with that....lol

Hootie

Yup your right next time I'll be quiet. Just because it didn't cost $100+ doesn't mean it's bad. Sometimes we don't get what we pay for too. I think this is a exact copy of a higher priced reel or they were manufacturing it for a big name company and they deceided to branch out on there own. It does look like the garcia exactly. Let's face it were teaching them about manufacturing.

I build five cnc lathes that went to China so they do have our technology in manufacturing. Who knows what else they have. Keep in mind they do have bare foot doctors on bicycles who cure cancer. Where does that leave us?


fishing user avatarrubba bubba reply : 

Do they have it in Lefty?  I'll be a guinea pig and test one out.


fishing user avatarCapt.Bob reply : 
  On 8/16/2013 at 6:09 PM, hootiebenji said:

Bigbill, looks like this is one purchase you should have kept to yourself. It's driving everyone crazy. Next time you find something you think is a great deal, PM me, and tell me about it, and I'll be happy with you and for you. As far as everyone else....well, good luck with that....lol

Hootie

Sorry Hoot,,,,,,,I just don't think mistakes should be encouraged, especially when we have such a young following, like others have tried to explain,,,,,,,these are the kinds of things that turn new fisherman off to this kind of equipment, when it's not the type of equipment but the model in that type, I will bet everything I own it's not up to a Black Max in quality, and I consider that an entry level I would only suggest if it was all you can afford. But Most of America has married the thought ,,,,,,,,if I can buy 3 or 4 and they last as long as one of this (whatever it is) I will, forget real quality!!!! It's been a while since I encouraged anyone to buy a zebco 33 also though, another fine old reel!!!


fishing user avatarKevin22 reply : 

LETS GET ONE THING STRAIGHT. THIS WAS NOT A $1.40 REEL. IT WAS A $30 REEL. The seller listed it at $1.40 + $30 shipping to avoid ebay fees. It costs them MAYBE $3 to ship it to you. 

 

This is NOT a $1.40 reel, it is a $30 reel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


fishing user avatarKevin22 reply : 

Admit it, you guys are all jealous and upset because he could have just bought a reel for $30 that rivals your $190 reel and you don't like that. 

 

Quit telling him it is junk if you have never seen one in person. God, that is freaking stupid to put somebody down when you don't even know what you are talking about. 


fishing user avatarlmbfisherman reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 3:35 AM, Kevin22 said:

Admit it, you guys are all jealous and upset because he could have just bought a reel for $30 that rivals your $190 reel and you don't like that. 

 

Quit telling him it is junk if you have never seen one in person. God, that is freaking stupid to put somebody down when you don't even know what you are talking about. 

I doubt it's jealousy, really..and sorry no 30 dollar reel is going to beat a 200 dollar reel. 


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

I'd never spend $200 for a fishing reel.

What's the difference In the wind going by us on a $200 1972 Suzuki TS 185 dual sport vs. a new 2013 $25k Harley? Nothing but bragging rights that someone spent $25k. The difference is someone is $24,800 richer. Plus the Suzuki is more dependable. So where does the higher cost really factor in? I was all alone at over 100 mph except for the other rockets on my 1200 bandit. It cost me 6k at the time so does its low cost mean it's junk? I rode this bike for 25,000 miles the first year I had it and never had a problem. I sold it three years later because of health problems I got ill.

They do offer this reel in left and right hand cranks. I ordered both the second one is due here soon.

To each his own.


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 3:35 AM, Kevin22 said:

Admit it, you guys are all jealous and upset because he could have just bought a reel for $30 that rivals your $190 reel and you don't like that. 

 

Quit telling him it is junk if you have never seen one in person. God, that is freaking stupid to put somebody down when you don't even know what you are talking about. 

 

Really...

 

I think life experience warns us that "If it's too good to be true, it probably isn't."

I don't like stuff for $19.99 plus S&H either, especially if you get two or three by

calling in the next 10 minutes. And lastly, I don't want ANYTHING free, it usually

ends up costing way too much!


fishing user avatartomustang reply : 

I spend my money on quality gear and I'm suppose to be jealous? That will be the day. :eh:


fishing user avatarKevin22 reply : 

I just do not understand how someone could put someone else down by telling him the reel he bought is crap, or won't hold up, or was not worth the money when they have never been within a mile of one and probably never even heard of them until this post came up. 

 

I hope when newbies are asking questions those type of people who have never tried the products arent chiming in their unfounded opinions of stuff they have never seen in person. 

 

I think some people on here just like to post and will throw their unfounded opinions out whenever they can. 


fishing user avatarlmbfisherman reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 4:53 AM, Kevin22 said:

I just do not understand how someone could put someone else down by telling him the reel he bought is crap, or won't hold up, or was not worth the money when they have never been within a mile of one and probably never even heard of them until this post came up. 

 

I hope when newbies are asking questions those type of people who have never tried the products arent chiming in their unfounded opinions of stuff they have never seen in person. 

 

I think some people on here just like to post and will throw their unfounded opinions out whenever they can. 

Kevin, I have no issue with the product he bought, I only stated I probably wouldn't have bought it.  I'd be wary, and I never ONCE put him down for it.  I did say I'd be interested in hearing his experience though.  Also, I had to respond cause your post was pretty blatant stating a 30 dollar reel with less quality "parts" would beat a 200 dollar reel with better parts would be an issue.  In fact your statement frankly did the same exact thing you are accusing everyone else of.  There would've been a better way to say it, honestly. 

 

If a newbie asked to buy their first BC, I would never tell them to go cheap.  Personal experience, when I bought a cheapo baitcaster..I got frustrated and stopped trying one a few years.  Then I learned and listened to others, bought a quality 100 dollar BC and wow what a difference.  There is a big jump from 100 to 200+ bc in performance and I'm sure others would agree.  Just like a under 50 dollar retail and 100 dollar has a major difference. 


fishing user avatartomustang reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 4:53 AM, Kevin22 said:

I just do not understand how someone could put someone else down by telling him the reel he bought is crap, or won't hold up, or was not worth the money when they have never been within a mile of one and probably never even heard of them until this post came up. 

 

I hope when newbies are asking questions those type of people who have never tried the products arent chiming in their unfounded opinions of stuff they have never seen in person. 

 

I think some people on here just like to post and will throw their unfounded opinions out whenever they can. 

 

 

Reread the thread, there's no proof of ownership, no trying out, no testing, no fish being pulled on it. Where's the use? Review? What does it look like?

 

 

How about a thread where someone actually uses a product instead of saying how much they bought something and how much they praise it without using it.


fishing user avatardeaknh03 reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 3:34 AM, Kevin22 said:

LETS GET ONE THING STRAIGHT. THIS WAS NOT A $1.40 REEL. IT WAS A $30 REEL. The seller listed it at $1.40 + $30 shipping to avoid ebay fees. It costs them MAYBE $3 to ship it to you. 

 

This is NOT a $1.40 reel, it is a $30 reel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ebay charges fees on shipping equal to the actual cost of the item to deter sellers from doing this, so he must have had another reason to charge $30 for shipping.


fishing user avatarKevin22 reply : 

Be careful taking it apart, especially if the instructions/schematic are in chinese. Don't take it apart unless you know you will not break it. Doesn't matter what these guys think about it. If you do not want to open it up then dont. 

 

But if you feel comfortable with it, open it up and show us some pictures. 


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 4:59 AM, eddieg said:

I will ask again. What is the frame made of and what do the internals look like?

It's all plastic frame wise. I haven't opened it up yet. I did open up the side cover were the adjustable magnets are and it looks like any baitcaster I have looked at.


fishing user avatardeaknh03 reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 5:03 AM, Kevin22 said:

Be careful taking it apart, especially if the instructions/schematic are in chinese. Don't take it apart unless you know you will not break it. Doesn't matter what these guys think about it. If you do not want to open it up then dont. 

 

But if you feel comfortable with it, open it up and show us some pictures. 

He could open it and then say "it's all chinese to me!!!"  :eyebrows:


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 5:03 AM, deaknh03 said:

Ebay charges fees on shipping equal to the actual cost of the item to deter sellers from doing this, so he must have had another reason to charge $30 for shipping.

I think they had the price and shipping mixed up at first.


fishing user avatarKevin22 reply : 

Be careful taking it apart, especially if the instructions/schematic are in chinese. Don't take it apart unless you know you will not break it. Doesn't matter what these guys think about it. If you do not want to open it up then dont. 

 

But if you feel comfortable with it, open it up and show us some pictures. 

 

  On 8/17/2013 at 5:02 AM, lmbfisherman said:

Kevin, I have no issue with the product he bought, I only stated I probably wouldn't have bought it.  I'd be wary, and I never ONCE put him down for it.  I did say I'd be interested in hearing his experience though.  Also, I had to respond cause your post was pretty blatant stating a 30 dollar reel with less quality "parts" would beat a 200 dollar reel with better parts would be an issue.  In fact your statement frankly did the same exact thing you are accusing everyone else of.  There would've been a better way to say it, honestly. 

 

If a newbie asked to buy their first BC, I would never tell them to go cheap.  Personal experience, when I bought a cheapo baitcaster..I got frustrated and stopped trying one a few years.  Then I learned and listened to others, bought a quality 100 dollar BC and wow what a difference.  There is a big jump from 100 to 200+ bc in performance and I'm sure others would agree.  Just like a under 50 dollar retail and 100 dollar has a major difference. 

 

 

Agree with all points!

 

Just understand, the chinese CAN make quality items using quality parts for 1/10th the price of other places. But they usually don't so they have a bad rep. If they wanted to, I bet they could make a reel identical to the energy PT or similar cheap enough to sell for $30.. using the same parts. Figure Quantum is retailing the energy pt for $159.99. They are getting them made for less than $50 each in their factories. Now take out the mark-ups at the mfg and they could sell them for way less than the $50 point quantum buys them at. 


fishing user avatarSudburyBasser reply : 

Jesus, a lot of posts arguing about something that hasn't seen a drop of water touch it.

 

Personally I'm quite skeptical. I've ordered bargain products from China -- including an ill-advised purchase of a GPS/DVD/CD head unit for my Jeep -- and I find you generally get what you pay for.

 


fishing user avatarKevin22 reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 5:03 AM, deaknh03 said:

Ebay charges fees on shipping equal to the actual cost of the item to deter sellers from doing this, so he must have had another reason to charge $30 for shipping.

 

That is only recent (2013), before that we (ebay sellers) could list an item for $0.99 and $40 shipping and only get charged 12% on the $0.99. Of course it was against ebay policy, but we still did it. Then they started charging fees on shipping as well. I'd guess the seller has had them listed for a long time and just didnt convert it over until now. Ebay buyers were probably giving them low ratings on shipping costs and that drove them to switch it around. 

 

Besides that, I don't see a reason he would have it listed the way he did. Maybe to avoid some sort of chinese tax on profit? Write it off as shipping expense instead of profit. 


fishing user avatardeaknh03 reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 5:12 AM, Kevin22 said:

That is only recent (2013), before that we (ebay sellers) could list an item for $0.99 and $40 shipping and only get charged 12% on the $0.99. Of course it was against ebay policy, but we still did it. Then they started charging fees on shipping as well. I'd guess the seller has had them listed for a long time and just didnt convert it over until now. Ebay buyers were probably giving them low ratings on shipping costs and that drove them to switch it around. 

 

Besides that, I don't see a reason he would have it listed the way he did. Maybe to avoid some sort of chinese tax on profit? Write it off as shipping expense instead of profit. 

It's actually been over 2 years that they have been charging fees on shipping, some sellers still try the high shipping fee/low "item" cost route, in an attempt to "trick" unwitting buyers.


fishing user avatardeaknh03 reply : 

I have seen those reels on ebay for years now, and they do have a cool look to them, I just couldn't muster up the nuts to buy one.


fishing user avatarKevin22 reply : 

Man time flies. It was really 2 years ago? seems like it was sooner than that. 

 

I don't agree with those sellers that try and trick buyers, that is not cool at all. I am always honest and will usually list as free shipping just to make it easier on buyers. 


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

Don't you think that some of this fishing equipment is way over priced?

Now we expect a kid to spend $150 to $200 for a baitcast reel?

Now how many expensive baitcasting reels will these kids buy? If they cut back on the over pricing there profits would be higher because there sales would be higher in numbers.

What's your limit price wise for a top shelf reel, how much would you be willing to actually spend max wise?

I can fish with any rod, any decent reel but I need good fishing line. The fish doesn't know how much your tackle costs. I still have my first Wal-Mart spinning reels and there still working for $15 to $35. Now I use okuma and Finor spinning reels. Is there any difference between the Wal-Mart reels not much but the feel smoother.

Price wise is there a limit or ceiling in the market when it comes to cost for a reel?

My point us do the reel manufacturers target price first or quality?


fishing user avatardeaknh03 reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 5:25 AM, Kevin22 said:

Man time flies. It was really 2 years ago? seems like it was sooner than that. 

 

I don't agree with those sellers that try and trick buyers, that is not cool at all. I am always honest and will usually list as free shipping just to make it easier on buyers. 

I agree, I haven't charged shipping for anything in at least a year, it looks better to a buyer, and I just make it up in the sale price anyways. 


fishing user avatardeaknh03 reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 5:29 AM, bigbill said:

Don't you think that some of this fishing equipment is way over priced?

Now we expect a kid to spend $150 to $200 for a baitcast reel?

Now how many expensive baitcasting reels will these kids buy? If they cut back on the over pricing there profits would be higher because there sales would be higher in numbers.

What's your limit price wise for a top shelf reel, how much would you be willing to actually spend max wise?

I can fish with any rod, any decent reel but I need good fishing line. The fish doesn't know how much your tackle costs. I still have my first Wal-Mart spinning reels and there still working for $15 to $35. Now I use okuma and Finor spinning reels. Is there any difference between the Wal-Mart reels not much but the feel smoother.

Price wise is there a limit or ceiling in the market when it comes to cost for a reel?

My point us do the reel manufacturers target price first or quality?

price is paramount for any corporation, then quality is fit in to suit the margins.


fishing user avatardeaknh03 reply : 

Any rod and reel will catch fish, you can use a stick and string to catch a fish. I personally prefer to use my semi higher end gear. I think it instills a sense of confidence, I like the look and feel of my reels and rods, and I get some gratification when I see and use them. My OCD is very happy when I look in the garage and see thousands of lures and stacks of combos.. :respect-059:


fishing user avatar*Hootie reply : 

This topic is starting to look like a gang war....lol.

Hootie


fishing user avatartomustang reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 5:35 AM, hootiebenji said:

This topic is starting to look like a gang war....lol.

Hootie

 

and the two groups are: The ones who want proof and the ones who can't show it


fishing user avatar*Hootie reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 5:39 AM, tomustang said:

and the two groups are: The ones who want proof and the ones who can't show it

Looks like we have a catch 22.

Hootie


fishing user avatarJunkYard814 reply : 

I can see why you are getting aggravated that people are giving you crap about buying a cheaper product, and I will never do it, because it is up to buyer to determine what he is willing to spend and what makes him happy. Everyone's situation is different.

 

The problem I do have with this thread, is you are pretty much doing exactly what you are complaining about and looking down on people that spend a lot more on their fishing stuff. 99 times out of a 100, a $50 reel would never compete in overall quality with a $200+ reel. If you really think the only difference between a brand new  $25,000 Harley and 1972 Suzuki is price and prestige , then you have never owned an expensive product in your life to appreciate what higher quality is, which is fine if you are ok with that.

 

Cheaper is not always better. More often than not, it's quite the opposite. 


fishing user avatargravestone reply : 

If Bill is happy with the reel that's all that counts. My own personal experience with Chinese reels are less than satisfactory.

 

I bought 2 high end surf reels about 5 yrs. apart , Van Staal is the name of the reel. First one was made in CT. when VS was an independent co. Then WC Bradley {the people that own Zebco} bought them.

 

Zebco moved operations to China ,raised the price on the reel and produced a lesser quality product. The VS rep claims that they shipped the same machinery to China that they used in CT to manufacture. That very well maybe but you still the machinist to operate that machinery !

 

Long story short the quality of the "made in China" reel was not even close to the first reel I owned.


fishing user avatarslonezp reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 4:59 AM, eddieg said:

I will ask again. What is the frame made of and what do the internals look like?

Nobody's listening to you. :grin:


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

I'm retired with three incomes right now I can afford it but m frugal. I'm not rich but comfortable I don't kringe when the fuel man comes. I have other expensive hobbies.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 6:00 AM, slonezp said:

Nobody's listening to you. :grin:

I did answer him a few posts back.


fishing user avatarslonezp reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 5:20 AM, deaknh03 said:

I have seen those reels on ebay for years now, and they do have a cool look to them, I just couldn't muster up the nuts to buy one.

If you did, we could refer to you as Mustard Nuts


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 5:20 AM, deaknh03 said:

I have seen those reels on ebay for years now, and they do have a cool look to them, I just couldn't muster up the nuts to buy one.

Take a chance columbus did?

Don't stick your big toe in the water jump in.............

...


fishing user avatarbaluga reply : 
  On 8/14/2013 at 9:10 AM, bigbill said:

I just ordered another one, plus three spinning reels too.

I'll see if I can get my pics working.

With shipping it was $30. There marked now at $29.00 + $5 ship.

I see the lures from China aren't 5 fer & 4 fer $4 or $5 anymore with some of them are $4 each.

 

I hope it turns out well for you but If I were you I would test the reel that you just received for at least 3 months before even thinking of buying more.

 

Just because it looks nice and cheap does not mean it would be a good investment. 

 

Be a smart buyer.  Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.


fishing user avatartomustang reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 6:14 AM, bigbill said:

Take a chance columbus did?

He eventually got banned from his own discovery. You implying something


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

I still have four other baitcasters. I enjoy testing different stuff even lures too. I don't drink or gamble plus I just beat prostate cancer too. I just need something to do and keep me busy. My credit card just came I spent $3,400 on fishing equipment this month. I bought some discontinued lures in my favorite colors that are my go to lures. They always work. Plus a ton of mister twister senko type plastic in all colors to stock up on them while there cheap. This $9 per lure or plastic just kills me. I get the mister twister comidas(there senko for $1.50 with no $29 ship kidding)I keep fishing very affordable. I give stuff to kids too. My radiation tech the gal takes kids fishing so I gave her lures too. I need to see if she needs rods and reels for the kids. I'm not a pro but I enjoyed fishing since I was 6yo and at 62yo now I want to give something back.


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 7:31 AM, tomustang said:

He eventually got banned from his own discovery. You implying something

No not at all I meant he took a chance that's all.

I mean take a chance it's only $30. Before my weight loss $30 was a lunch. But I did the work if two people carrying 250lb steel rails alone. I would lift 400lb parts and put them on the machine. I ate like two people. My dad told me a man should be able to lift more than his own weight. I was lifting 100lbs more than my weight. One of those Italian loaves of bread made into a grinder was my lunch.


fishing user avatarCapt.Bob reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 4:53 AM, Kevin22 said:

I just do not understand how someone could put someone else down by telling him the reel he bought is crap, or won't hold up, or was not worth the money when they have never been within a mile of one and probably never even heard of them until this post came up. 

 

I hope when newbies are asking questions those type of people who have never tried the products arent chiming in their unfounded opinions of stuff they have never seen in person. 

 

I think some people on here just like to post and will throw their unfounded opinions out whenever they can. 

after nearly 60 years it's called been there done that!!! you will to some day???

 

  On 8/17/2013 at 5:12 AM, Kevin22 said:

That is only recent (2013), before that we (ebay sellers) could list an item for $0.99 and $40 shipping and only get charged 12% on the $0.99. Of course it was against ebay policy, but we still did it. Then they started charging fees on shipping as well. I'd guess the seller has had them listed for a long time and just didnt convert it over until now. Ebay buyers were probably giving them low ratings on shipping costs and that drove them to switch it around. 

 

Besides that, I don't see a reason he would have it listed the way he did. Maybe to avoid some sort of chinese tax on profit? Write it off as shipping expense instead of profit. 

WE ??????? did that!!

 

  On 8/17/2013 at 5:25 AM, Kevin22 said:

Man time flies. It was really 2 years ago? seems like it was sooner than that. 

 

I don't agree with those sellers that try and trick buyers, that is not cool at all. I am always honest and will usually list as free shipping just to make it easier on buyers. 

OH REALLY??????  I think most would understand if you only told one story per thread!!!

  On 8/17/2013 at 5:48 AM, JunkYard814 said:

I can see why you are getting aggravated that people are giving you crap about buying a cheaper product, and I will never do it, because it is up to buyer to determine what he is willing to spend and what makes him happy. Everyone's situation is different.

 

The problem I do have with this thread, is you are pretty much doing exactly what you are complaining about and looking down on people that spend a lot more on their fishing stuff. 99 times out of a 100, a $50 reel would never compete in overall quality with a $200+ reel. If you really think the only difference between a brand new  $25,000 Harley and 1972 Suzuki is price and prestige , then you have never owned an expensive product in your life to appreciate what higher quality is, which is fine if you are ok with that.

 

Cheaper is not always better. More often than not, it's quite the opposite. 

Harley Suzuki????? :lol-045: I wonder if he knows that's blasphemy!! ,,,,,,,Tell me bill have brain washed yourself into believing Bologna is as good and no different than Rib Eye????? save the review, I don't think I could take that serious now either!!     :wiseman:    your kill'n me dude! :lol-045:


fishing user avatarbigbill reply : 

No harley would come close to my Suzuki 1200 bandit in quality or speed for just 6k.

My son's buddy was a service manager at a Harley dealer and the horror stories are

unbelievable. It's not fully American made. The forks are from Japan. The new engines are designed by porche. Too bad all that money.

If I was to buy a Harley I'd buy an old one and restore it.

I was receding to the wind going by our heads between the '72 $200 Suzuki and the 2013 $25k Harley. It's the same feeling.

I been thinking about a new $35k Indian or a Suzuki Hayabusa(215 MPH) I love speed.


fishing user avatarjimmykm21 reply : 

LOL

 

This thread reminds of threads posted  on some long range rifle shooting forums.

 

You have one person post about a brand new scope he just bought for $89 and then defends it by saying it will do the same thing as your high end optic

you paid $2000.00 for.


fishing user avatarSudburyBasser reply : 

Do you think I could use this reel as part of a dedicated Banjo Minnow set-up? Uninformed opinions only please.


fishing user avatarrockchalk06 reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 3:35 AM, Kevin22 said:

Admit it, you guys are all jealous and upset because he could have just bought a reel for $30 that rivals your $190 reel and you don't like that.

Quit telling him it is junk if you have never seen one in person. God, that is freaking stupid to put somebody down when you don't even know what you are talking about.

Are you high? There isn't a planet one where that POS would compare to a Chronarch or the like.


fishing user avatarrockchalk06 reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 3:57 AM, bigbill said:

I'd never spend $200 for a fishing reel.

What's the difference In the wind going by us on a $200 1972 Suzuki TS 185 dual sport vs. a new 2013 $25k Harley? Nothing but bragging rights that someone spent $25k. The difference is someone is $24,800 richer. Plus the Suzuki is more dependable. So where does the higher cost really factor in? I was all alone at over 100 mph except for the other rockets on my 1200 bandit. It cost me 6k at the time so does its low cost mean it's junk? I rode this bike for 25,000 miles the first year I had it and never had a problem. I sold it three years later because of health problems I got ill.

They do offer this reel in left and right hand cranks. I ordered both the second one is due here soon.

To each his own.

A better comparison would have been a Harley to a Cracker Jack bike. Suzuki is a quality product not a POS


fishing user avatarrockchalk06 reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 4:53 AM, Kevin22 said:

I just do not understand how someone could put someone else down by telling him the reel he bought is crap, or won't hold up, or was not worth the money when they have never been within a mile of one and probably never even heard of them until this post came up.

I hope when newbies are asking questions those type of people who have never tried the products arent chiming in their unfounded opinions of stuff they have never seen in person.

I think some people on here just like to post and will throw their unfounded opinions out whenever they can.

Funny....I could say the very same here. I don't think anyone was putting him down for buying the product. People stated their opinions plain and simple. If you post that your 30 dollar reel will rival that of any 200 plus etc reel, expect for people to come back and state their opinions. If it offends you, Christ man, this is the Internet and put some big girl panties on.


fishing user avatar*Hootie reply : 

Will somebody KILL this thing, PLEASE!!!!!...lol.

 

Hootie


fishing user avatartomustang reply : 

Get the shoe out


fishing user avatarbassinbrian reply : 
  On 8/17/2013 at 4:56 PM, hootiebenji said:

Will somebody KILL this thing, PLEASE!!!!!...lol.

 

Hootie

agreed!


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 

Well...I hope everyone had some fun with this thread...8 pages is probably enough ...

 

Good night Irene.




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