Best budget fluorocarbon 2024

Luke Barnes reply :

The only fluoro I've ever used is 4lb on my crappie rod. Never used it for bass. I cant afford $20-$30 Sunline or anything. Thinking $15 max because I'm getting a new baitcaster and need line for it but have an overall budget I'm trying to stay with.

I've looked at Vicious, Seaguar Red Lable and Berkley Vanish in the 15lb test and read reviews but would like first hand experience.

Russ E reply :

With fluorocarbon you definitely get what you pay for.

saving 4 or 5 dollars is not worth it to me. there are a lot of things that can make you lose the fish of a lifetime.

I do not want crappy line to be one of them.

you can save money by putting a mono backing on the reel and only using 75 to 100 yards of fluoro.

cheaper fluorocarbon lines usually have terrible knot strength and strange breakoffs.

Lines I will no longer use are:

seaguar red label

spiderwire ez-fluoro

berkley vanish

p-line fluoroclear

vicious fluorocarbon

lines I have had success with:

sunline sniper ( my favorite)

sunline shooter

sunline assasin

berkley 100% fluorocarbon

seaguar invis-x

seaguar abras-x

seaguar tatsu (probably the best overall, but extremely expensive)

there are othe lines available, but I do not have any experience with them.

Luke Barnes reply :

Isnt Pline fluoroclear a coplymer? I know its fluoro coated. But experience with it. I know the Berkley trilene fluoro runs about $20 and that may be manageable. I've heard good stuff about it. But I was hoping some in the teens would be equally as good. Live and learn!

FishinBuck07 reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 12:31 AM, Luke Barnes said:

Isnt Pline fluoroclear a coplymer? I know its fluoro coated. But experience with it. I know the Berkley trilene fluoro runs about $20 and that may be manageable. I've heard good stuff about it. But I was hoping some in the teens would be equally as good. Live and learn!

Yes the Pline fluoroclear is a copolymer, I have not had an issue with it.

Russ E reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 12:31 AM, Luke Barnes said:

Isnt Pline fluoroclear a coplymer? I know its fluoro coated. But experience with it. I know the Berkley trilene fluoro runs about $20 and that may be manageable. I've heard good stuff about it. But I was hoping some in the teens would be equally as good. Live and learn!

It is not an actual copoly. It is flouro carbon coated mono.

I had a lot of knot strength issues with it. Multiple breakoffs with hooksets.

Some people love it.

Paul Roberts reply :

I've used a few different "inexpensive" 100% FC's. The one I've gone with is BPS KVD 100% FC. It rated high in some testing that was published a while back, although, apparently, the formulations have changed over the years. You know, "New! Improved!". Regardless, I've used at least two formulations and found both to hold up and handle well -for a full FC. Nylon it isn't. When it goes on sale, I've bought my supplies.

I found Berkley 100% to be a good line. However, you should know that it is under-rated in terms of lb test. Or at least the older stuff I have was. Meaning, if you want "8lb", buy the "6lb" if you value diameter as much as I do. Again, don't know where that stands now but, just a head's up.

Another option is to use braid with a FC leader, of various lengths. Certainly saves money. While FC does not degrade in sunlight -a bane of nylons- it does get frayed and nicked, so still needs replacing. I use the braid/leader option most often.

Luke Barnes reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 1:58 AM, Paul Roberts said:

I've used a few different "inexpensive" 100% FC's. The one I've gone with is BPS KVD 100% FC. It rated high in some testing that was published a while back, although, apparently, the formulations have changed over the years. You know, "New! Improved!. Regardless, I've used at least two formulations and found both to hold up and handle well -for a full FC. Nylon it isn't. When it goes on sale, I've bought my supplies.

I found Berkley 100% to be a good line. However, you should know that it is under-rated in terms of lb test. Or at least the older stuff I have was. Meaning, if you want "8lb", by the "6lb" if you value diameter as much as I do. Again, don't know where that stands now but, just a head's up.

Another option is to use braid with a FC leader, of various lengths. Certainly saves money. While FC does not degrade in sunlight -a bane of nylons- it does get frayed and nicked, so still needs replacing. I use the braid/leader option most often.

I run straight braid on one combo, never thought about the braid to FC leader option. Going to be using the combo for mainly chatterbait, larger spinnerbait, and swim baits, so I figured the lower visibility would be good. But then again maybe I should make my Texas rig combo have FC since fish have more time to look at it.

Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :

For moving bait like you mentioned, FC line is a waste, any copolymer or mono will work just fine. I only use FC for weightless worm, Fluke and Jig when fish deeper water or long target, but again I have success with copolymer as much as FC with these presentation.

Paul Roberts reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 2:08 AM, Luke Barnes said:

I run straight braid on one combo, never thought about the braid to FC leader option. Going to be using the combo for mainly chatterbait, larger spinnerbait, and swim baits, so I figured the lower visibility would be good. But then again maybe I should make my Texas rig combo have FC since fish have more time to look at it.

To tell you the truth, I'm not convinced that bass even see the line, when they are focused on the bait. They physically can see fishing lines, but don't actually have issues with line shaped objects in the water.

I think -and this is just my opinion- what can put them off is the disturbance line might make on, or in, the water. This is esp an issue on the surface, esp under high visibility conditions. Underwater it's an issue of displacement: If the line is thick enough to register with the fish, it doesn't register as a "fishing line" but as some large unidentified object, that's too close for comfort -whether they actually "see" it or not. Or line might appear to be part of the lure, making the lure appear larger than expected.

Again, this is what I think are the major effects line can have.

fishballer06 reply :

For me, I'd rather not use fluorocarbon rather than using budget fluorocarbon. Every budget FC I have tried has been completely garbage (Seaguar Red Label, Stren Fluorocast, Berkley Vanish). Honestly, if my first experience with FC had been with any of these lines, I would probably never use FC at all.

With that being said, 90% of my reels are spooled up with fluorocarbon and I have a few favorites that are well worth every dollar.

Sunline Sniper

P-Line Tactical

Seaguar Tatsu

RichF reply :

I've used Sunline Super fluoro and Yo Zuri Top Knot. They're within your budget and (IMO) much better than Red Label and Vanish. I've only used 12lb and up though.

Big Rick reply :

InvisX 20% off at Tackle Warehouse.

https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Seaguar_InvizX_Fluorocarbon_Line/descpage-SIF.html

Timberwolf530 reply :

BPS fluoro is strong and impact resistant, but it is as stiff as piano wire. If you can deal with that, buy it when they have their 2 for 1 deal, and you can't beat the price. Otherwise, I recommend getting a premium line like Sunline FC Sniper.

lo n slo reply :

i’m an InvizX guy, but for the price you can’t beat Red Label.

Yeajray231 reply :

Use braid. And a leader

Kdizzle reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 5:05 AM, Yeajray231 said:

Use braid. And a leader

Seconded.

1201vilbig reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 5:07 AM, Kdizzle said:

Seconded.

Thirded.

NHBull reply :

Gamma Edge fits your needs and is better than red label and such

JediAmoeba reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 5:15 AM, 1201vilbig said:

Thirded.

Fourthed.

Luke Barnes reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 2:55 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

For moving bait like you mentioned, FC line is a waste, any copolymer or mono will work just fine. I only use FC for weightless worm, Fluke and Jig when fish deeper water or long target, but again I have success with copolymer as much as FC with these presentation.

I did some more reading and decided copolymer was the way to go for me. After reading you're replies it sounded like FC wasnt needed for what I want to do. Thanks for the input everyone

Kdizzle reply :

Seriously though, as soon as you find a knot that gives you confidence, and you become competent at tying it effectively through sheer repetition, braid to a leader is the best option for pretty much all spinning applications. The only time I use a straight anything is usually a Flourocoat line for when I'm flipping with a spinning setup.

primetime reply :

I use the Red Label Seaguar or Invisx when it is on sale.....I would not recommend Stren, Suffix, or Vanish....I have had bad experiences with them...I use the Red Label in 12lb and up and I have not had any issues with it that I have not had with more expensive lines, but I have never become a fan of Fluoro as mainline. I will use it as a leader for abrasion resistance which is the one property I find that matters for me.

However, I tend to use Mono or copoly or straight braid more than straight fluoro. Even in clear water, I usually stick with my berkley Trilene. Moving baits, lots of casting....I just feel like Mono is more reliable...I don't notice any difference personally on weightless worms, or sometimes just tying straight to braid when being lazy with light line either...I try to simply use the lightest line possible....and it sinks fine, looks clear....I set the hook to hard for fluoro under #6-#8 lb test....

I actually think that sometimes tying straight to braid on lighter lines with 2-4lb diameter is as good and maybe better on moving baits, even weightless worms as fish can feel the diameter of the line in the water, thin braid doesn't seem to effect strikes,sinks quickly since thinner.... it just frays easily so have to always check it.

I would never punch or pitch in heavy cover with anything but straight heavy braid unless its loud, then I go 25 mono...I have broken off too many fish with fluoro, even the good ones. I don't have patience to massage oil all over it the night before fishing....

Bird reply :

Braid + sunline sniper + Alberto = fish.

senile1 reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 1:58 AM, Paul Roberts said:

I've used a few different "inexpensive" 100% FC's. The one I've gone with is BPS KVD 100% FC. It rated high in some testing that was published a while back, although, apparently, the formulations have changed over the years.

I have found the BPS fluorocarbon to be decent as well. Contrary to some of the reports, I have had good look with Seaguar Red Label as well though I typically use Seaguar Invisx. I also use braid with a fluoro leader also.

Shimano_1 reply :

I tried Berkley vanish, vicious, basspro and seaguar red label. Once I found the red label I haven't bought anything else. I will admit I haven't tried the higher end so maybe I don't know what I'm missing. My dad, cousin and I will go in and buy several bulk spools at a time and it's all we use except a rod or 2 a piece with mono and braid for specific applications. I've never found anything I would consider negative about the red label and if you bargain shop it can be found for like 40 bucks per thousand yard spools which comes out to like 8 bucks per 200 yard spool.

Luke Barnes reply :

I've never researched copoly so I read a bunch about it. Pros and cons and what not. I found it to be more what I was looking for than straight fluoro. Besides my fly rod I've never done mainline with leader. I know some swear by it. That's why I'm buying another rod, so I have another line option to run straight.

So I'm going to try some copoly with a fluoro coating.

Kdizzle reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 8:37 AM, Luke Barnes said:

I've never researched copoly so I read a bunch about it. Pros and cons and what not. I found it to be more what I was looking for than straight fluoro. Besides my fly rod I've never done mainline with leader. I know some swear by it. That's why I'm buying another rod, so I have another line option to run straight.

So I'm going to try some copoly with a fluoro coating.

Once you start using it, you won't wanna switch back to a straight line. I promise. You'll get better hooksets with less energy needed, pretty much just pulling straight up when you feel the tap of the fish taking your bait. Plus the added sensitivity of braid with a flouro leader will have you feeling more of those taps period.

bowhunter63 reply :

I know a lot guys don’t like it but i have had good luck with Berkley Vanish. I fish the rivers hard for Smallmouth and holds up great.

WRB reply :

Yo -Zuri Hybrid is inexpensive, meets your needs and the bass or you will never know it isn't high price.

Braid plus FC is the most expensive option.

Your best overall choice is Berkley Big Game mono for price to performance ratio.

Tom

Russ E reply :

if you want to try copoly, Suffix Advance coply is a good line.

I started using it ion my jerkbait and crankbait rods.

so far I have been impressed.

low stretch.

very good knot strength.

good abrasion resistance.

and very manageable. not much memory.

STBen1215 reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 9:00 AM, WRB said:

Yo -Zuri Hybrid is inexpensive, meets your needs and the bass or you will never know it isn't high price.

Braid plus FC is the most expensive option.

Your best overall choice is Berkley Big Game mono for price to performance ratio.

Tom

Braid to FC leader is extremely effective and offers a lot of versatility as you can cut the leader off and run straight braid in certain applications. Also, braid can last a long time on a reel plus tying in leader material will make great use of the fluorocarbon line. It's actually not that expensive if done properly. IMO you are looking at it wrong. Don't think about it in terms of up front additional cost for the same product. They are not even remotely close. Braid does not degrade like mono so it lasts longer, strength/line diameter advantage, sensitivity advantage. Tying in the fluorocarbon leader is the additional option which Seaguar Red Label would be the best budget line. I know you will mention knot strength but most people on here have no issues.

WRB reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 11:55 AM, STBen1215 said:

Braid to FC leader is extremely effective and offers a lot of versatility as you can cut the leader off and run straight braid in certain applications. Also, braid can last a long time on a reel plus tying in leader material will make great use of the fluorocarbon line. It's actually not that expensive if done properly. IMO you are looking at it wrong. Don't think about it in terms of up front additional cost for the same product. They are not even remotely close. Braid does not degrade like mono so it lasts longer, strength/line diameter advantage, sensitivity advantage. Tying in the fluorocarbon leader is the additional option which Seaguar Red Label would be the best budget line. I know you will mention knot strength but most people on here have no issues.

When I started bass fishing braid was all we had, mono wasn't availble yet. I caught a lot of bass using direct braid to lures no leader. Mono comes along and free spool casting reels like ambassador 500 ( before 5000) and we used braid with mono leaders and caught lots of bass. Mono line becomes more popular, braid becomes less popular so we changed to mono direct to lures and caught lots of bass. The mono era last about 40 years for most bass anglers until Fluorocarbon line becomes popular based on low light refraction claims that fish can't see it.

Keep in mind we caught bass using braid and using mono for one reason bass are not line shy fish.

As you noted you can cut off the FC leader and catch bass and that is a fact.

So what does FC line offer a bass angler that mono doesn't? Lower knot strength. If knot strength isn't an issue why all the knots trying to resolve this issue? Simple it's an issue.

FC line may be the biggest hoax ever pulled on bass anglers. It's more expensive and lower performance then mono line.

I say this from 25 years of experience using FC line, it offers nothing for bass anglers except weaker knots and higher cost.

1500 yards of 10 lb Big Game $10

150 yards of 30 lb braid is $20

150 yards of FC 10 lb is is $20

Braid with leader initial cost $40

Yo-Zuri Hybrid 6 lb 600 yards $11 ( 8 lb is .011D equal to most 10 lb Mono or 12 lb FC).

Tom

Jig Man reply :

To answer your question, in my opinion the best budget fluorocarbon line is Seaguar red label. I have it on at least 12 setups and it works just fine.

cgolf reply :

I have been using flouro as a leader with braid for a while now. Spinning combos get 8-12 lb red label and I have great luck with it fishing a rock filled river. The only time it breaks off is when I snag up and to be honest even then it takes more than I would expect to break it. For my heavier line rigs I have 20 lb sniper and like that as well.

As far as lines I have tried and don't like, Gamma seemed to shed when I used it, perhaps I had a bad spool. Vanish I won't use for gear fishing, but it seems to work well as a leader fly fishing, not sure why it holds up well there and not for other applications.

cgolf reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 12:42 PM, WRB said:

When I started bass fishing braid was all we had, mono wasn't availble yet. I caught a lot of bass using direct braid to lures no leader. Mono comes along and free spool casting reels like ambassador 500 ( before 5000) and we used braid with mono leaders and caught lots of bass. Mono line becomes more popular, braid becomes less popular so we changed to mono direct to lures and caught lots of bass. The mono era last about 40 years for most bass anglers until Fluorocarbon line becomes popular based on low light refraction claims that fish can't see it.

Keep in mind we caught bass using braid and using mono for one reason bass are not line shy fish.

As you noted you can cut off the FC leader and catch bass and that is a fact.

So what does FC line offer a bass angler that mono doesn't? Lower knot strength. If knot strength isn't an issue why all the knots trying to resolve this issue? Simple it's an issue.

FC line may be the biggest hoax ever pulled on bass anglers. It's more expensive and lower performance then mono line.

I say this from 25 years of experience using FC line, it offers nothing for bass anglers except weaker knots and higher cost.

1500 yards of 10 lb Big Game $10

150 yards of 30 lb braid is $20

150 yards of FC 10 lb is is $20

Braid with leader initial cost $40

Yo-Zuri Hybrid 6 lb 600 yards $11 ( 8 lb is .011D equal to most 10 lb Mono or 12 lb FC).

Tom

Totally agree. I got folks on twitter swearing by the stuff and I did finally break down and try some, but when it is gone I will be back to straight fireline on spinning reels and power pro or 832 on baitcasters.

I just don't see more bites with flouro, I think for some folks it is a confidence thing. I grew up near Geneva lake, gin clear, and we would throw baits on solar xt and would get bit.

I will say a couple of times catching toothy critters, the flouro didn't get bit off like braid would. Do you think a line like Yo Zuri Hybrid would be a better leader or is it not worth it since your essentially adding 2 more knots to the system and just deal with the loss of a bait or two? I do like Yo Zuri Hybrid for cranking deep divers, but it is amazing how much more sensitive braid is.

diehardbassfishing reply :

Seaguar Red Label - 12 lb and 15 lb.

On baitasters. No issues.

Could be a bit stiff for spinning.

Karl

LegendaryBassin reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 12:42 PM, WRB said:

When I started bass fishing braid was all we had, mono wasn't availble yet. I caught a lot of bass using direct braid to lures no leader. Mono comes along and free spool casting reels like ambassador 500 ( before 5000) and we used braid with mono leaders and caught lots of bass. Mono line becomes more popular, braid becomes less popular so we changed to mono direct to lures and caught lots of bass. The mono era last about 40 years for most bass anglers until Fluorocarbon line becomes popular based on low light refraction claims that fish can't see it.

Keep in mind we caught bass using braid and using mono for one reason bass are not line shy fish.

As you noted you can cut off the FC leader and catch bass and that is a fact.

So what does FC line offer a bass angler that mono doesn't? Lower knot strength. If knot strength isn't an issue why all the knots trying to resolve this issue? Simple it's an issue.

FC line may be the biggest hoax ever pulled on bass anglers. It's more expensive and lower performance then mono line.

I say this from 25 years of experience using FC line, it offers nothing for bass anglers except weaker knots and higher cost.

1500 yards of 10 lb Big Game $10

150 yards of 30 lb braid is $20

150 yards of FC 10 lb is is $20

Braid with leader initial cost $40

Yo-Zuri Hybrid 6 lb 600 yards $11 ( 8 lb is .011D equal to most 10 lb Mono or 12 lb FC).

Tom

Much better sensitivity is its advantage with its lower coefficient of drag is just one but there are a couple other advantages. Make a decision whether its worth it. A lot of people seem to love fluorocarbon and braid especially if you know how to use it and make the best use of it. Every line has its advantages and disadvantages, accept them and move on..

Buy fluorocarbon in a bulk spool so you get your price per yard to where you'd like.

Luke Barnes reply :

Decided no FC. Bought some copoly. Figure it's best of both worlds and was cheap. We will see how it works.

BassWhole! reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 11:04 PM, Luke Barnes said:

Figure it's best of both worlds...

It's actually the worst of both worlds, but a better option than FC, so you'll be ok, (assuming you stop reading)...

Paul Roberts reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 7:22 AM, senile1 said:

I have found the BPS fluorocarbon to be decent as well. Contrary to some of the reports, I have had good look with Seaguar Red Label as well though I typically use Seaguar Invisx. I also use braid with a fluoro leader also.

I've wondered who actually manufactures BPS, and many other, FCs. Seaguar, if they are indeed a manufacturer, is not unlikely.

Paul Roberts reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 12:42 PM, WRB said:

When I started bass fishing braid was all we had, mono wasn't availble yet. I caught a lot of bass using direct braid to lures no leader. Mono comes along and free spool casting reels like ambassador 500 ( before 5000) and we used braid with mono leaders and caught lots of bass. Mono line becomes more popular, braid becomes less popular so we changed to mono direct to lures and caught lots of bass. The mono era last about 40 years for most bass anglers until Fluorocarbon line becomes popular based on low light refraction claims that fish can't see it.

Keep in mind we caught bass using braid and using mono for one reason bass are not line shy fish.

As you noted you can cut off the FC leader and catch bass and that is a fact.

So what does FC line offer a bass angler that mono doesn't? Lower knot strength. If knot strength isn't an issue why all the knots trying to resolve this issue? Simple it's an issue.

FC line may be the biggest hoax ever pulled on bass anglers. It's more expensive and lower performance then mono line.

I say this from 25 years of experience using FC line, it offers nothing for bass anglers except weaker knots and higher cost.

1500 yards of 10 lb Big Game $10

150 yards of 30 lb braid is $20

150 yards of FC 10 lb is is $20

Braid with leader initial cost $40

Yo-Zuri Hybrid 6 lb 600 yards $11 ( 8 lb is .011D equal to most 10 lb Mono or 12 lb FC).

Tom

Agree. Not so sure it's a quite a hoax though, except maybe the "fish can't see it" part. Hey, maybe fish can't actually "see" it as well, but, that's not what scares them. And... maybe the abrasion resistance (AR) part. I suspect that the AR claim has much to do with the fact that FC doesn't soften and weaken when wet, like nylons do. I too have been leery of FCs apparent susceptibility to nicks, and associated knot issues. In the end, FC doesn't last much longer than nylon's, except under a high summer sun. And it's much more expensive.

FC offers one advantage: its density, ability to sink. Can be an advantage, although in the mostly shallow waters I fish I do fine most of the time with braid and/or nylon monos. Where I find an advantage in my shallow waters is under windy conditions, when that density helps in the air, in that "sticky" surface film, and for detection when sunk. I'm most apt to use it in winter, when my fish are "deep". But, then, super-fine "braids"/PE lines out now fish deep really well, with a (usually FC) leader where abrasion is an issue. But... this kind of stuff is "splitting hairs". And, hey, there are times when splitting hairs makes a difference.

Bottom line for me, so far, is that FC is an "extra" in my mind, and in my fishing budget.

WRB reply :

I bought into the better feedback from lower coeffient of drag in water and heavier density to reduce line belly or a more direct connection to the lure. Harder surface and zero water absorbsion should increase abrasion resistance. The low light refraction was also a early reason to use for off shore tuna that can be extremely line shy at times using live bait.

Today after 25+ years I changed my mind on all those factors based on simple performance that clearly shows no improved catch rates verses premium mono and very low success landing giant bass using FC. Strike detection is better using FC as a main line but this is offset by the FC line random failures. FC as a leader offers nothing over mono, too short a length to have any advantage.

FC line failures are a result of normal fishing issues; damage when it crosses over itself on the reel spool, or knot tying, nicks from sharp hook bards or rocks, permanent reduced diameter when over stressed un snagging lures etc, etc.

Non wetting becomes a problem casting requiring line conditioners to retain some moisture to keep the line on the spool.

It's a high price to pay for slightly higher density line.

Tom

LegendaryBassin reply :

On 10/12/2019 at 12:28 AM, WRB said:

I bought into the better feedback from lower coeffient of drag in water and heavier density to reduce line belly or a more direct connection to the lure. Harder surface and zero water absorbsion should increase abrasion resistance. The low light refraction was also a early reason to use for off shore tuna that can be extremely line shy at times using live bait.

Today after 25+ years I changed my mind on all those factors based on simple performance that clearly shows no improved catch rates verses premium mono and very low success landing giant bass using FC. Strike detection is better using FC as a main line but this is offset by the FC line random failures. FC as a leader offers nothing over mono, too short a length to have any advantage.

FC line failures are a result of normal fishing issues; damage when it crosses over itself on the reel spool, or knot tying, nicks from sharp hook bards or rocks, permanent reduced diameter when over stressed un snagging lures etc, etc.

Non wetting becomes a problem casting requiring line conditions to retrain some moisture to keep the line on the spool.

It's a high price to pay for slightly higher density line.

Tom

I have no issues at all and most of the yellowfin tuna fisherman that I've been with out of Venice, La all use Seaguar fluorocarbon. Mexican Gulf Fishing Company and Voodoo Fishing Charters, and weve landed 150-200+ yellowfin and caught plenty of nice 8-10+ lb bass. I personally would double check how you tie knots as it's key to success with fluorocarbon. I think you are tying bad knots.

JediAmoeba reply :

Everything aside in the mono/fc/braid debate the reason I usually run a FC leader off my braid is because it sinks.

RB 77 reply :

I'll just be one more person to reiterate that "budget" and "Flouro" do not belong on the same sentence. Of ALL the different types of lines, this is exceptionally true. You would be much better off just fishing a decent Mono instead of trying to skimp on Flouro.

WRB reply :

On 10/12/2019 at 12:57 AM, LegendaryBassin said:

I have no issues at all and most of the yellowfin tuna fisherman that I've been with out of Venice, La all use Seaguar fluorocarbon. Mexican Gulf Fishing Company and Voodoo Fishing Charters, and weve landed 150-200+ yellowfin and caught plenty of nice 8-10+ lb bass. I personally would double check how you tie knots as it's key to success with fluorocarbon. I think you are tying bad knots

It's not my knot tying skills. I retie a lot more then 99% of bass anglers because stress over time weakens all polymer including FC line. My issues are not common for the average bass angler who use line pound test that exceed the bass they catch by a factor of 3. The bass weight I target exceed the pound test so very little margin of error.

Consider the 5 LMB listed as PB; 3 over 17 lbs, 1 over 18 and 1 over 19 lbs all caught using 10 to 12 lb mono. Caught somewhere north of 50 bass over 14 lbs using mono and 1 over 15 lbs using FC line. I have lost at least 6 bass in the 15 lb range on FC, very discouraging to lose these bass from line failures. All these bass are jig fish.

Tom

LegendaryBassin reply :

On 10/12/2019 at 1:18 AM, RB 77 said:

I'll just be one more person to reiterate that "budget" and "Flouro" do not belong on the same sentence. Of ALL the different types of lines, this is exceptionally true. You would be much better off just fishing a decent Mono instead of trying to skimp on Flouro.

I agree personally. I use Sniper, Invizx, Gamma Edge, Tatsu. But I know people who like Red Label.

On 10/12/2019 at 1:21 AM, WRB said:

It's not my knot tying skills. I retie a lot more then 99% of bass anglers because stress over time weakens all polymer including FC line. My issues are not common for the average bass angler who use line pound test that exceed the ass they catch by a factor of 3. The bass weight I target exceed the pound test so very little margin of error.

Consider the 5 LMB listed as PB; 3 over 17 lbs, 1 over 18 and 1 over 19 lbs all caught using 10 to 12 lb mono. Caught somewhere north of 50 bass over 14 lbs using mono and 1 over 15 lbs using FC line. I have lost at least 6 bass in the 15 lb range on FC, very dissapiinting to lose these bass from line failures. All these bass are jig fish.

Tom

Retying won't help if you tie improper knots though. Double check how to tie a proper knot that works well with fluorocarbon

cgolf reply :

I just read an article in Bassmaster by David Fritts that he uses braid on his cranking setups because his cast is violent enough to actually break flourocarbon. Kind of insane when you think about it.

Luke Barnes reply :

On 10/12/2019 at 1:47 AM, cgolf said:

I just read an article in Bassmaster by David Fritts that he uses braid on his cranking setups because his cast is violent enough to actually break flourocarbon. Kind of insane when you think about it.

That's another reason I went with copoly. I'm not the smoothest caster and have flung off lures on casts before. I'm very new to baitcasters so I still get the occasional backlash. Always when I'm casting it seems.

LegendaryBassin reply :

On 10/12/2019 at 1:47 AM, cgolf said:

I just read an article in Bassmaster by David Fritts that he uses braid on his cranking setups because his cast is violent enough to actually break flourocarbon. Kind of insane when you think about it.

I've heard a couple people try it. Interesting though

WRB reply :

On 10/12/2019 at 1:23 AM, LegendaryBassin said:

I agree personally. I use Sniper, Invizx, Gamma Edge, Tatsu. But I know people who like Red Label.

Retying won't help if you tie improper knots though. Double check how to tie a proper knot that works well with fluorocarbon

As I said my knot tying skills are second to none. Tying Palomar and San Deigo jam knots before they were called those names. When Fred Hall show gave away tackle for the highest knot strength tested at the show I won several contest. Anal about knot tying. FC often fails away from the knot from fishing stresses. Also anal about drag setting and use a digital scale to set them at 1/3rd the line strength. I run the line between my fingers on every retrieve and check the line nearly every cast.

You are barking up the wrong tree with your assuming the issue is poorly tied knots!

I have tested knots using aerospace tensile testing equipment at various load rates to determine how to improve the FC knot performance. I use line diameter, not label pound test data, diameter is everything with line to lure performance. It would be easy to simply go up in diameter, if the giant bass would strike the lure used.

Peace,

Tom

Steveo-1969 reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 5:17 AM, NHBull said:

Gamma Edge fits your needs and is better than red label and such

Gamma Edge is the most abrasion resistant, good handling, low-stretch fluorocarbon I've ever used. But it's even MORE expensive than Tatsu.

10# Gamma Edge: 100 yard spool for $26

10# Seaguar Tatsu: 200 yard spool for $40

king fisher reply :

On 10/12/2019 at 3:10 AM, WRB said:

As I said my knot tying skills are second to none. Tying Palomar and San Deigo jam knots before they were called those names. When Fred Hall show gave away tackle for the highest knot strength tested at the show I won several contest. Anal about knot tying. FC often fails away from the knot from fishing stresses. Also anal about drag setting and use a digital scale to set them at 1/3rd the line strength. I run the line between my fingers on every retrieve and check the line nearly every cast.

You are barking up the wrong tree with your assuming the issue is poorly tied knots!

I have tested knots using aerospace tensile testing equipment at various load rates to determine how to improve the FC knot performance. I use line diameter, not label pound test data, diameter is everything with line to lure performance. It would be easy to simply go up in diameter, if the giant bass would strike the lure used.

Peace,

Tom

Have you done any tests on the amount of stretch floro has? I'm sitting here with about a yard of 12 pouond Sunline Sniper, and the same amount of 12 pound Ande Premium mono. Just by pulling the two by hand, I can't determine any difference in stretch. I know this is not a scientific test, that is why I'm asking how much difference in stretch there is when an actual mechanical test is preformed. I know the manufactures claim very little stretch with floro, but I don't seem to notice a big difference. I might be wrong, most of my experience with floro, is with leader only.

NHBull reply :

On 10/12/2019 at 3:40 AM, Steveo-1969 said:

Gamma Edge is the most abrasion resistant, good handling, low-stretch fluorocarbon I've ever used. But it's even MORE expensive than Tatsu.

10# Gamma Edge: 100 yard spool for $26

10# Seaguar Tatsu: 200 yard spool for $40

Heck, I have never paid anywhere near those prices....

WRB reply :

The only difference between premium mono, coploymer and fluorocarbon stretch using equal dia's is about 3%-5% higher yield start force at around 37%-40% verses 35%-38% ultimate strength force, all stretch nearly equal elongation length. Braid stretches also around 75% of Ulitmate strength, the elongation is lower, meaning it fails shortly after it yields.

It's difficult to get accurate data, the knot sliding until it bottoms out, you see the force staying even while the holding jaws are traveling apart then the force makes a smooth rise. All knots tend to slide as they tighten under testing force.

Tom

jbsoonerfan reply :

That's like asking what the best budget toilet paper is, good chance it's going to end up being a pain in the a$$.

Kdizzle reply :

Berkley Vanish has always done the job for me as a leader line. Its good for one fishing trip, after which I cut it an tie a new one. Their 8 and 10 pound test versions are my go to leader material.

Of course if I were gonna fill up an entire spool with flouro I'd go for a more expensive option probably, but I don't so there you go.

Dirtyeggroll reply :

On 10/12/2019 at 6:41 AM, WRB said:

The only difference between premium mono, coploymer and fluorocarbon stretch using equal dia's is about 3%-5% higher yield start force at around 37%-40% verses 35%-38% ultimate strength force, all stretch nearly equal elongation length. Braid stretches also around 75% of Ulitmate strength, the elongation is lower, meaning it fails shortly after it yields.

It's difficult to get accurate data, the knot sliding until it bottoms out, you see the force staying even while the holding jaws are traveling apart then the force makes a smooth rise. All knots tend to slide as they tighten under testing force.

Tom

What are your opinions about sensitivity of fluoro vs mono?

I have limited experience, but in the few times I have compared the two, I certainly noticed a difference using the same rod between equal pound test ratings (I did not pay attention to diameter), where I could feel much more of the bottom with FC compared to mono.

WRB reply :

If FC is the main line the fact it has lower coeffient of drag in water then Nylon it takes less force to move the line. The fact FC is heavier density it tends to have less bow in the line between your rod tip and the lure with slightly slack line. Combine those 2 factors and FC gives the angler better feedback any movements with the lure.

Feedback with bottom contact lures using FC main line is an advantage and the reason I have put up with all it's random failures for 25 years. I use it less and less every year.

Tom

Dirtyeggroll reply :

On 10/13/2019 at 12:11 PM, WRB said:

If FC is the main line the fact it has lower coeffient of drag in water then Nylon it takes less force to move the line. The fact FC is heavier density it tends to have less bow in the line between your rod tip and the lure with slightly slack line. Combine those 2 factors and FC gives the angler better feedback any movements with the lure.

Feedback with bottom contact lures using FC main line is an advantage and the reason I have put up with all it's random failures for 25 years. I use it less and less every year.

Tom

Thanks for the insight!

Luke Barnes reply :

I ended up getting a spool of Hi Seas Grand Slam copoly and spooled up my Black Max baitcaster with it and fished yesterday. Didnt catch anything on that setup but man what a difference it made in casting and feel over the cheap mono I was using before. I cant sling it out like my other baitcaster with braid, but it casted a spinnerbait nicely and felt good on the retrieve.

ChrisD46 reply :

Seaguar Red Label FC .

pauldconyers reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 12:07 AM, Russ E said:

With fluorocarbon you definitely get what you pay for.

saving 4 or 5 dollars is not worth it to me. there are a lot of things that can make you lose the fish of a lifetime.

I do not want crappy line to be one of them.

you can save money by putting a mono backing on the reel and only using 75 to 100 yards of fluoro.

cheaper fluorocarbon lines usually have terrible knot strength and strange breakoffs.

Lines I will no longer use are:

seaguar red label

spiderwire ez-fluoro

berkley vanish

p-line fluoroclear

vicious fluorocarbon

lines I have had success with:

sunline sniper ( my favorite)

sunline shooter

sunline assasin

berkley 100% fluorocarbon

seaguar invis-x

seaguar abras-x

seaguar tatsu (probably the best overall, but extremely expensive)

there are othe lines available, but I do not have any experience with them.

Thanks for this post! This is the first year I've tried FC and I went with Inviz-X due to reputation and recommendations from others on here. Had it on my Dobyns FR 705CB (I think you've mentioned having this rod as well) and I just could not believe how "whippy" it felt in the tip and when trying to yo-yo a lipless back. Plus I just seemed to have no real distance when casting a 1/2oz RES and since the whole setup was new to me I could not figure out if it was the rod, line or the new SLX reel. Well I took your recommendation and I went with some 12# Shooter and man I was impressed with what I experienced this evening out at Jacomo! By comparison the 12# Inviz-X just feels a lot more stretchy to me. Also I've heard guys talk about how much "smoother one line comes off a spool" than another and had not really experienced that. Man there was just a NIGHT AND DAY difference between the two and I got SIGNIFICANT more casting distance! Thanks again for the tip on the Sniper!

Stephen B reply :

On 10/12/2019 at 3:10 AM, WRB said:

As I said my knot tying skills are second to none. Tying Palomar and San Deigo jam knots before they were called those names. When Fred Hall show gave away tackle for the highest knot strength tested at the show I won several contest. Anal about knot tying. FC often fails away from the knot from fishing stresses. Also anal about drag setting and use a digital scale to set them at 1/3rd the line strength. I run the line between my fingers on every retrieve and check the line nearly every cast.

Sounds like you may get in your own way being that extreme if you ask me. It's a good thing to pay attention to detail but sometimes we as fisherman can get in our own way. Just need to learn to tie a few good knots and set your drag to what you find ample. Just fish. Have yet to have a knot/line fail on fluorocarbon fighting a fish.

WRB reply :

On 10/15/2019 at 9:47 PM, Stephen B said:

Sounds like you may get in your own way being that extreme if you ask me. It's a good thing to pay attention to detail but sometimes we as fisherman can get in our own way. Just need to learn to tie a few good knots and set your drag to what you find ample. Just fish. Have yet to have a knot/line fail on fluorocarbon fighting a fish.

Let me know when you put a bass in the boat that weighs more then the pound test of your FC line how your knot tieing skill worked out.

Tom

Efishin reply :

On 10/15/2019 at 10:33 PM, WRB said:

Let me know when you put a bass in the boat that weighs more then the pound test of your FC line how your knot tieing skill worked out.

Tom

This guy again...

No issues for me either. I use Red Label and SNiper

J Francho reply :

On 10/15/2019 at 10:33 PM, WRB said:

Let me know when you put a ~~bass~~ fish in the boat that weighs more then the pound test of your FC line how your knot tieing skill worked out.

Tom

13-8 on 8#Invisx

Unweighed on 6# Invisx

Worked out fine for me?

RichF reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 1:11 AM, J Francho said:

13-8 on 8#Invisx

Unweighed on 6# Invisx

Unweighed on 6# Invisx

Unweighed on 6# Invisx

Worked out fine for me?

That brownie is a beaut!

WRB reply :

Nice to see a skilled angler catches.

Tom

RichF reply :

No largemouth will ever pull as hard as that 15+ lb King @J Francho has there.

J Francho reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 1:13 AM, RichF said:

That brownie is a beaut!

Thanks, man. Not my biggest. I'd say that one went around 15 or so. Colors on spawn run males are incredible. Here's another nice brownie. That year, you couldn't not catch. I pinning 10-20 in an afternoon.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-xQN4kCp/0/X2/i-xQN4kCp-X2.jpg

On 10/16/2019 at 1:16 AM, RichF said:

No largemouth will ever pull as hard as that 15+ lb King @J Francho has there.

I had to chase that dang thing up and down that ditch to get him.

Choporoz reply :

For bottom contact baitcasters, I started with cheap fluoro,

went to Yo Zuri Hybrid,

then to Braid/leader,

and then straight braid for a time,

and then higher end fluoro

I am going to try to simplify next season and only keep braid and YZH on hand. I like braid with and without leaders, depending on the set up and conditions....or how I feel that day. If I get the urge to fish straight fluoro, I'll use YZH, because with a liberal dose of KVD line and lure lube, I can barely tell the difference between YZH and 'good' fluoro.

I'll continue to use straight YZH on cranking rods. For spinning, I'm still working through which rod, which applications demand what specific line. I love smaller fluoro....for the first couple hours --- once the loops start, it gets maddening....thin braid to leader is great....until it isn't

Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :

@J Francho, I don’t think Tom meant to ask you. Do we need to really show since we all know you are skilled fisherman. I land many bass that heavier than my Lb test line but still compare to TOM I’m still average joe.

I don’t agree with him sometime but when a fisherman that land more than a dozen DD bass speak should we at least listen?

J Francho reply :

It was a condescending, sarcastic response, to which I debunked. I'm no "great fisherman." I take what's there. All those fish pull harder than any bass, including double digits. I take my time tying knots, give 'em a quick pull test, and the rest is up to the rod, drag, and my own luck in landing the fish. I think the whole knot thing is over played, in regards to fluorocarbon. Heck, I just use an improved cinch knot on some baits. I've even NOT wetted the line to see what happens. Works fine. I'll repeat, take your time, and tie a quality knot. Doesn't matter which on, just use a knot you can tie well.

Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :

Do you think average bass anglers really spend that much time tying and checking knot? Do you think average bass anglers know how to use a proper drag according to line size and rod power? And you are right about LUCK, every time I hooked on a big fish with my small line 6lb test, all I can do is pray to whoever up above and use all my rod action/bend and smooth drag. Do you think average bass anglers using rod action/power to fight bass? I watched a lot of youtubers and at least 50% just winch the bass in with their drag lock tight reel.

Efishin reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 2:57 AM, J Francho said:

It was a condescending, sarcastic response, to which I debunked. I'm no "great fisherman." I take what's there. All those fish pull harder than any bass, including double digits. I take my time tying knots, give 'em a quick pull test, and the rest is up to the rod, drag, and my own luck in landing the fish. I think the whole knot thing is over played, in regards to fluorocarbon. Heck, I just use an improved cinch knot on some baits. I've even NOT wetted the line to see what happens. Works fine. I'll repeat, take your time, and tie a quality knot. Doesn't matter which on, just use a knot you can tie well.

On 10/16/2019 at 3:14 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

Do you think average bass anglers really spend that much time tying and checking knot? Do you think average bass anglers know how to use a proper drag according to line size and rod? And you are right about LUCK, every time I hooked on a big fish with my small line 6lb test, all I can do is pray to whoever up above and use all my rod action/bend and smooth drag. Do you think average bass anglers using rod action/power to fight bass? I watched a lot of youtubers and at least 50% just winch the bass in with their drag lock tight reel.

I 100% agree with J Francho. I never have knot failures. Yes, tournament anglers almost always check there knots as they know money and success is on the line. Most people overthink things. It's not rocket science. Setting drag to 1/3 of the line weight. Where is there scientific proof from a legitimate lab showing that's the case? Drag pressure depends on many factors.

J Francho reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 3:14 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

Do you think average bass anglers really spend that much time tying and checking knot?

They should.

On 10/16/2019 at 3:14 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

Do you think average bass anglers know how to use a proper drag according to line size and rod?

Yes. If not, we're all here to help.

On 10/16/2019 at 3:14 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

And you are right about LUCK, every time I hooked on a big fish with my small line 6lb test, all I can do is pray to whoever up above and use all my rod action/bend and smooth drag.

I'm pretty confident in my gear. No praying is necessary, being agnostic.

On 10/16/2019 at 3:14 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

Do you think average bass anglers using rod action/power to fight bass?

They should.

On 10/16/2019 at 3:14 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

I watched a lot of youtubers and at least 50% just winch the bass in with their drag lock tight reel.

They're doing it wrong. Watch different youtubers.

BassResource.com is a one stop and shop. All the info you get up here is pretty solid. That's why they ask up here, you me, the OP, and others. Perpetuating some myth based anecdotes. We're here to teach average bass anglers how to be successful.

On 10/15/2019 at 10:33 PM, WRB said:

Let me know when you put a bass in the boat that weighs more then the pound test of your FC line how your knot tieing skill worked out.

Tom

@Bass_Fishing_Socal : Do you think this helped the OP get better? Did it answer the question?

On 10/16/2019 at 3:20 AM, Efishin said:

Setting drag to 1/3 of the line weight. Where is there scientific proof from a legitimate lab showing that's the case? Drag pressure depends on many factors.

To be fair, I recommend this a lot. I don't have any lab confirmed testing, just my experience that this gives you quite a bit of wiggle room, even on a long cast. Think of it as a conservative recommendation.

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Separate thought

Last bit: I have break offs occasionally. I like to blame them on pickerel or northerns. There have been a few times when I know I pushed the limit with something - to tight a drag, too long before retying, etc.

Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 3:23 AM, J Francho said:

@Bass_Fishing_Socal : Do you think this helped the OP get better? Did it answer the question?

No that not helping OP, in fact OP already settle on copolymer line. That answer is for someone that question is his knot tying skill. You answer doesn’t seem to help OP either.

On the other hand my posted, that said FC is a wasted especially moving lure should count.

I’m with TOM and Paul regarding FC line and a myth of invisible under water. I use FC line but for other purposes like sinking rate, less drag, and better sensitivity when long line casting. Have you ever seen those baby fish attack FC line? tell me about invisibility, eh?

J Francho reply :

I don't fish fluorocarbon for invisibility, claimed lack of stretch, or the typical rhetoric pros spew. I fish it because it's superior in many regards to other lines. I find is much more reliable, more durable, consistent stretch wet or dry, takes a knot easy, more sensitive, and it sinks. I've never seen a baby fish attack line. I've seen them go after the dimple the line makes when entering the water. I bet it resembles a bug on the surface. That the line low viz could be a plus and a minus.

On 10/16/2019 at 3:31 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

No that not helping OP, in fact OP already settle on copolymer line.

Did it help anyone? Or was it just a joke? Hard to tell. Sounded like what I called it.

Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 3:23 AM, J Francho said:

I'm pretty confident in my gear. No praying is necessary, being agnostic.

I’m pretty confident in my gear and my skill, but a lot of time I got break off due to my lazyness to retie my knot, I hardly check my knot after catching fish unless I know it has been or struck with rock. And also my poor choice of using trilene knot with stiffer FC.

RichF reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 1:17 AM, J Francho said:

Thanks, man. Not my biggest. I'd say that one went around 15 or so. Colors on spawn run males are incredible. Here's another nice brownie. That year, you couldn't not catch. I pinning 10-20 in an afternoon.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-xQN4kCp/0/X2/i-xQN4kCp-X2.jpg

I had to chase that dang thing up and down that ditch to get him.

Man those are nice fish. I used to pull a few out of Dexter every December. Ugh, I miss upstate NY!

JediAmoeba reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 3:23 AM, J Francho said:

They're doing it wrong. Watch different youtubers.

What? Most tournament fisherman reel their bass to the boat at high speed. Even Tacticalbassin in regards to the biggest bass, when fishing large swimbaits and such, recommend to get the bass to the boat as fast as possible. I usually try and get the bass on as quick as possible to avoid jumps and such unless I am finesse fishing.

Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 3:36 AM, J Francho said:

Did it help anyone? Or was it just a joke? Hard to tell. Sounded like what I called it.

And you show of your great catch with 6lb FC line should help anyone or it just a show off, hard to tell man hard to tell.

Efishin reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 3:43 AM, JediAmoeba said:

What? Most tournament fisherman reel their bass to the boat at high speed. Even Tacticalbassin in regards to the biggest bass, when fishing large swimbaits and such, recommend to get the bass to the boat as fast as possible. I usually try and get the bass on as quick as possible to avoid jumps and such unless I am finesse fishing.

There is no right way. Different people and different scenraios require different drag pressure. It's a good guideline not a rule.

king fisher reply :

I have personally or had clients land thousnands of King salmon from 30 to 60 pounds on line as light as 15 pound test with both floro and mono. I have become proficient at most popular knots, done many knot tests on all types of lines. Results of tests have made me switch from one favorite knot to another. Years ago I landed many big fish with light line using an improved clinch, but that doesn't mean a San Diego Jam is not a better knot, because it is. I used a palamar for years before I learned I was tying it wrong. Landed many large fish with it but now tie it correctly, may save me a fish some day. It doesn't hurt to learn and use a knot that tests higher than an old favorite. Likewise a person doesn't have to set a drag with a scale to catch a big fish, but it sure doesn't hurt. Using a scale for setting drags is standard practice in salt water.

I readily admit, that I have lost many big fish over the years to knot failure. The knot is the weakest link, and will fail if to much force is applied. I have yet to have a knot I have tested be 100 percent. Even Bimmini twists will break before the main line does. Most knots will break just above the knot, making people believe it wasn't the knot that broke. In reality when enough force is applied the knot slips a fraction of an inch, causing the line to break where it slipped. I will say I have had more knot failures with floro, than mono, but do use floro when I determine I need to which is way less often than just a few years ago. I have a friend that told me he never had a knot break, I told him it was just like the time he claimed he never missed a big game animal. Not lying, just a short memory. Any one who has fished long enough, has had knot, line, and other equipment failure. Keeping these failures to a minimum has always bee my goal. Landing a large salmon, trout, or saltwater fish with light line is easy most of the time. I have had clients that were poor beginners land salmon more than twice the line strength, even in strong current. The right drag setting and patience is all that is needed. The same angler would never have pulled a double digit bass away from the typical cover a bass lives in. Landing a large bass on light line is another story. I have never landed a double digit bass let alone one on light line. Trying to pull a bass that large out of the middle of a tree would have to stress the line, knot and angler skill to the very maximum. It would be nice to know exactly how much pressure could be applied, and that the very best knot and line are being used. Of course a little luck doesn't hurt.

J Francho reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 3:43 AM, JediAmoeba said:

What? Most tournament fisherman reel their bass to the boat at high speed. Even Tacticalbassin in regards to the biggest bass, when fishing large swimbaits and such, recommend to get the bass to the boat as fast as possible. I usually try and get the bass on as quick as possible to avoid jumps and such unless I am finesse fishing.

I think they do it for dramatic effect. You would do this if the bass was bigger than your line rating? If it's a really big fish, and I'm fishing 10# or less, I'm careful. This pretty much what I do with dinks:

Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :

And here is my 6lb line, and a rod that land 8.5lb bass this year, should I recommend OP to use the same?

If one wanna help other at least you should tell him the advantages and disadvantages, or educated him to the degree, not show that you can catch big fish with 6lb line and he should be able to do it too.

NYWayfarer reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 3:46 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

And you show of your great catch with 6lb FC line should help anyone or it just a show off, hard to tell man hard to tell.

It's a little of both. That's how we roll here in NY.

billmac reply :

I'm late to the topic, but how exactly do you check your knot? I often check the last foot or so of line for knicks. Are you just pulling?

J Francho reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 3:56 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

And here is my 6lb line, and a rod that land 8.5lb bass this year, should I recommend OP to use the same?

If the conditions dictated it, yes. I caught my second largest LMB (7-1) on a similar setup. Fish were prespawn, up really shallow, super clear water. Long cast, flick shakes.

Check out how these guys use the rod to move the fish. They ain't dinks, either.

On 10/16/2019 at 4:00 AM, billmac said:

Are you just pulling?

Pretty much. I've done actual knot tests at shows, where my speaking partner and I tie knots, and see where they break using a scale. He can't tie a good Palomar, but has a modded Eugene that comes close to my Palomar. I don't even know how tie his knot. Proves my theory on tying good knots.

Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 4:01 AM, J Francho said:

If the conditions dictated it, yes. I caught my second largest LMB (7-1) on a similar setup. Fish were prespawn, up really shallow, super clear water. Long cast, flick shakes.

In which way would you recommend? Just say hey go get light rod and light line and you would catch big fish?

You used light rod on prespawn bass, you are either my hero or one crazy dude. For prespawn I would use the most reliable and the most powerful rod/reel I have. Bass would either bite or ignore the lures all together doesn’t matter line size or size of lure.

J Francho reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 4:15 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

Bass would either bite or ignore the lures all together doesn’t matter line size or size of lure.

That wasn't what I found. Long casts, small baits on light wacky jigs was what was working. Power fishing did not yield results. It's called finesse. Pretty popular mindset to put fish in the boat, and not just small ones.

fishwizzard reply :

Any of the line/knot enthusiasts want to explain this failure? 12lb Invizx, newly spooled, the knot was a Trilene that was tied 5-10 casts before it broke. The lure was an old swimjig that had a dozen or more bass on it. The line broke opposite of the knot where it was doubled around the lure-eye.

I was trying out a new rod at a pond that puts out mostly 2lb class bass. Got a hit, set the hook, and tried to get the bass up and out of the hydrilla but it was not working. Assuming the new rod was less powerful then rated I pulled harder. I got the bass on top at last and it was easily high-3lb or low-4lb. Got her to the bank and foolishly decided the knees of my work pants were important and tried to lift her with the line. By by bass.

I have never seen a knot failure like this before. Obviously 4lb of bass and 1-2lb of weeds are asking too much of 12lb fluoro on a deadlift, but I cannot explain how the knot broke where it did.

Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 4:01 AM, J Francho said:

Check out how these guys use the rod to move the fish. They ain't dinks, either.

First off I’m not gonna say if that bass is a ten or not ( I think you know) and who are they PROS, right? I think we talk about average bass anglers.

Here is crazy ave joe using rod to move fish.

RichF reply :

What are we arguing about again?

Luke Barnes reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 5:48 AM, RichF said:

What are we arguing about again?

No freaking clue. This post went way off the rails. I never got a clear answer so I said screw it and used my own judgement from my own research. If the copoly I got sucks, I well, I'm only out $5. But if hated the $20-30 FC some said was the only good choice then I would not be happy. I'm new ish to fishing. Only been fishing 2 years and only ever used mono and braid. I wanted to try something new to see if I like it then eventually upgrade to higher dollar line. I may hate FC in general, let alone a $30 spool of Sniper or whatever.

So far I really like the copoly I got over any mono I've used yet. Next combo may get FC or may not.

Hammer 4 reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 6:00 AM, Luke Barnes said:

No freaking clue. This post went way off the rails. I never got a clear answer so I said screw it and used my own judgement from my own research. If the copoly I got sucks, I well, I'm only out $5. But if hated the $20-30 FC some said was the only good choice then I would not be happy. I'm new ish to fishing. Only been fishing 2 years and only ever used mono and braid. I wanted to try something new to see if I like it then eventually upgrade to higher dollar line. I may hate FC in general, let alone a $30 spool of Sniper or whatever.

So far I really like the copoly I got over any mono I've used yet. Next combo may get FC or may not.

Luke, I wouldn't sweat the fc deal..I used yo zuri copoly for years, and caught fish, while others didn't using fc..More important than the line, is the knowledge you attain while fishing.

JediAmoeba reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 6:00 AM, Luke Barnes said:

No freaking clue. This post went way off the rails. I never got a clear answer so I said screw it and used my own judgement from my own research. If the copoly I got sucks, I well, I'm only out $5. But if hated the $20-30 FC some said was the only good choice then I would not be happy. I'm new ish to fishing. Only been fishing 2 years and only ever used mono and braid. I wanted to try something new to see if I like it then eventually upgrade to higher dollar line. I may hate FC in general, let alone a $30 spool of Sniper or whatever.

So far I really like the copoly I got over any mono I've used yet. Next combo may get FC or may not.

I have never liked a single fluoro as a main line. To me its benefits as a leader are mainly being able to sink and its durability against pickerel teeth compared to mono. Any 40 dollar line people are telling me is the end all but I need to go out and get 10 dollar line conditioner just isn't worth it.

jbsoonerfan reply :

My wife is so lazy she says she hasn't tied her tennis shoes in 4 years, she just slips them off and on while tied. I don't know if she's ever won any competitions, but that's a long time for a knot to hold.

Is that what we are talking about?

fishwizzard reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 6:20 AM, jbsoonerfan said:

My wife is so lazy she says she hasn't tied her tennis shoes in 4 years, she just slips them off and on while tied. I don't know if she's ever won any competitions, but that's a long time for a knot to hold.

Is that what we are talking about?

I used to tie knots for a living and I cannot get the laces on my slip on boat shoes to stay tied for more then a day or two, next summer I am going to use fine braid to sew them knotted.

Luke Barnes reply :

As far as knots, I tie the palomar unless it's a bulky lure then I use an improved clinch. Never lost a fish due to knot failure. I get the line is weaker at the knot from stretching and pulling it thinner and when I have ti snap a lure off it's at the knot. I learned with braid you have to tie a good knot or it will slip. That's all I know about knots.

RichF reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 6:00 AM, Luke Barnes said:

No freaking clue. This post went way off the rails. I never got a clear answer so I said screw it and used my own judgement from my own research. If the copoly I got sucks, I well, I'm only out $5. But if hated the $20-30 FC some said was the only good choice then I would not be happy. I'm new ish to fishing. Only been fishing 2 years and only ever used mono and braid. I wanted to try something new to see if I like it then eventually upgrade to higher dollar line. I may hate FC in general, let alone a $30 spool of Sniper or whatever.

So far I really like the copoly I got over any mono I've used yet. Next combo may get FC or ma

If you really wanna try FC, wait until next spring during all the fishing sales. I've been able to get pretty high quality stuff for 50% off. Trilene 100% this year. PLine Tactical last. Honestly, I can't justify spending $30 on a spool of FC and I tournament fish!

J Francho reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 4:38 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

First off I’m not gonna say if that bass is a ten or not ( I think you know) and who are they PROS, right?

Someone said all pros horse the fish in. These two don't, when a big fish is on the line.

Luke, good to hear you like the YZ. It's really tough line, and hard to screw up a knot. If you're good dealing with that line on a casting reel, you'd do fine with all but the stiffest FC.

STBen1215 reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 2:57 AM, J Francho said:

It was a condescending, sarcastic response, to which I debunked. I'm no "great fisherman." I take what's there. All those fish pull harder than any bass, including double digits. I take my time tying knots, give 'em a quick pull test, and the rest is up to the rod, drag, and my own luck in landing the fish. I think the whole knot thing is over played, in regards to fluorocarbon. Heck, I just use an improved cinch knot on some baits. I've even NOT wetted the line to see what happens. Works fine. I'll repeat, take your time, and tie a quality knot. Doesn't matter which on, just use a knot you can tie well.

On 10/16/2019 at 2:51 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

@J Francho, I don’t think Tom meant to ask you. Do we need to really show since we all know you are skilled fisherman. I land many bass that heavier than my Lb test line but still compare to TOM I’m still average joe.

I don’t agree with him sometime but when a fisherman that land more than a dozen DD bass speak should we at least listen?

Exactly, great job J Francho. I agree as I took it the same way. Tieing a good knot is easy. Just find a knot that works well with the line you like and for the application you like. Tie it a bunch and practice will make it easier.

I'm sorry but DD bass mean nothing to me. For example, J Francho lives in NY as suggested by his location on his profile. The state record in NY is 11 lbs 4 oz. Whereas, if you fish in Florida, Texas, and California where the records are 17, 18, and 21. The quality of bass fishing is different. Do I think J Francho and many anglers on here that have a smaller PB than me can outfish me? ABSOLUTELY. There are some great fisherman on here. Catching a huge bass is always fun but you have to remember that someone fishing California versus somewhere like North Dakota, Hawaii, Minnesota is not an even playing field for largemouth. Those other states offer fishing we dream of but the largemouth doesn't thrive as well in that environment.

Steveo-1969 reply :

On 10/11/2019 at 5:17 AM, NHBull said:

Gamma Edge fits your needs and is better than red label and such

On 10/12/2019 at 3:40 AM, Steveo-1969 said:

Gamma Edge is the most abrasion resistant, good handling, low-stretch fluorocarbon I've ever used. But it's even MORE expensive than Tatsu.

10# Gamma Edge: 100 yard spool for $26

10# Seaguar Tatsu: 200 yard spool for $40

I found the above prices on the Tacklewarehouse website.

On 10/12/2019 at 6:34 AM, NHBull said:

Heck, I have never paid anywhere near those prices....

I would love to find Gamma Edge cheaper than the above price (and Tatsu for that matter). Where do you buy your fishing line? Thanks in advance!

WRB reply :

Buy your premium line on sale like the upcoming Black Friday sales that offer discounts.

Comparing Gamma Edge to Seaguar Tatsu or any Seagaur or Sunline FC you must use line diameter. Gamma Edge is a brand with oversize line diameters; 8 lb is .011 D, Tatsu 8 lb is .009 D, Tatsu 12 lb is .011D.

This is like beating a dead horse, line diameter is important to lure performance.

Peace,

Tom

GReb reply :

Best normal prices on seagaur are at academy.

Steveo-1969 reply :

On 10/19/2019 at 12:46 AM, WRB said:

Buy your premium line on sale like the upcoming Black Friday sales that offer discounts.

Comparing Gamma Edge to Seaguar Tatsu or any Seagaur or Sunline FC you must use line diameter. Gamma Edge is a brand with oversize line diameters; 8 lb is .011 D, Tatsu 8 lb is .009 D, Tatsu 12 lb is .011D.

This is like beating a dead horse, line diameter is important to lure performance.

Peace,

Tom

Tom,

The topic of this thread from the OP was about budget fluorocarbon. I understand Gamma Edge is thicker than Seaguar Tatsu (or any Seaguar or Sunline) in the same pound test. So maybe I liked Gamma Edge because it was thicker? OK, I concede that point.

My real point was Gamma Edge is MORE expensive than Tatsu, and should NOT be considered a budget FC. It's at the opposite pricing spectrum.

Moving on........

WRB reply :

On 10/22/2019 at 4:43 AM, Steveo-1969 said:

Tom,

The topic of this thread from the OP was about budget fluorocarbon. I understand Gamma Edge is thicker than Seaguar Tatsu (or any Seaguar or Sunline) in the same pound test. So maybe I liked Gamma Edge because it was thicker? OK, I concede that point.

My real point was Gamma Edge is MORE expensive than Tatsu, and should NOT be considered a budget FC. It's at the opposite pricing spectrum.

Moving on........

My point is you can buy Seaguar Red Label in 12 lb test and remark the label 8 lb test and achieve budget strong FC line.

The most expensive FC line I ever fished with was Toray Bass Hi Class @ $35 for 83 yards, very strong and low memory small dia line that was introduced at $35 for 150 meters, Sunline Shooter started out as $35 for 300 meters, excellent FC but today 2X that price point.

I get it, tried them all and haven't completely given it up yet.

Peace,

Tom

Jason Penn reply :

i've thought about maybe trying vicious fc again. i used to use it, and would retie often. at the time, i didn't use heat shrink in my tg weights and also just used a double line clinch knot. their 15# is the diameter of most company's 20#.

Paul Roberts reply :

On 10/16/2019 at 10:13 PM, STBen1215 said:

...but you have to remember that someone fishing California versus somewhere like North Dakota, Hawaii, Minnesota is not an even playing field for largemouth. Those other states offer fishing we dream of but the largemouth doesn't thrive as well in that environment.

For me, it has less to do with any "dream". We don't have DD bass here. If that was enough to dream about, I'd know to travel south. The issue is the strain in tackle large fish can create. And, if my experiences with BIG salmonids is relevant to BIG bass, the effect appears exponential. Gotta plan ahead for the big ones. It may seem kinda nit-picky or obsessive, esp where such fish are rare, until you hook one and discover what our southern brothers already know. They can expose the weak link in our planning, execution, and maintenance.

Bird reply :

Not sure if I'm on topic or " knot " but another benefit to a FC leader is when you experience a snag......the leader will always break so your not pulling your boat under the surface trying to snap braid or cutting unnecessary lengths.

WRB reply :

On 10/22/2019 at 5:33 PM, Jason Penn said:

i've thought about maybe trying vicious fc again. i used to use it, and would retie often. at the time, i didn't use heat shrink in my tg weights and also just used a double line clinch knot. their 15# is the diameter of most company's 20#.

Had to read this twice and still scratching my head, 15 lb (.015 D) the same as most 20 lb. why would anyone use this line if it's 25% weaker!

Tom

Paul Roberts reply :

On 10/22/2019 at 5:33 PM, Jason Penn said:

i've thought about maybe trying vicious fc again. i used to use it, and would retie often. at the time, i didn't use heat shrink in my tg weights and also just used a double line clinch knot. their 15# is the diameter of most company's 20#.

Ummmmm.... I can only speak about Viscious from years ago... I'm an old guy now, so decades swim by like years do for my son. But that stuff was a nightmare! I only had it in 4lb (.008) on a spinning rig (no toy-sized spool either), and it was like wire. It was truly awful. I don't like to denigrate any product, but if you are considering FCs, Viscious -at least the stuff I bought probably 10yrs ago now- was not the way to go. Might be OK on casting tackle, if you are good with it(?) But there is better out there. Seems like Vanish and Vicious are/were at the extremes, one too soft for durability for most bass fishing, and the other too hard/stiff for sanity sake.

Many newer formulas out there that are more fishable. But, I'm hearing WRB on this, FC is still a specialty line in my experience; and there ARE advantages, but in my mind they are advantages someone might look for, rather than start out with. If you are considering FC's and Nylon's as interchangeable, you probably want nylons.

This said, to be fair, I've not tried any of the expensive formulas out there. I will say that I've found BPS KVD to work well, walking the line between durability and handling well. However, even this line is not recommended for spinning reels in above 12 to 14lb (.012-.014). I have 014 on one spinning rig, and that is a USReels 40, with a mega-sized spool. Still gotta watch that wiry-ness for potential trouble -loops, and twist tangles.

Good thread.

Jason Penn reply :

On 10/23/2019 at 4:20 AM, WRB said:

Had to read this twice and still scratching my head, 15 lb (.015 D) the same as most 20 lb. why would anyone use this line if it's 25% weaker!

Tom

15# was as high as i ever used because it's thicker than most other lines. ???????? i had to read your comment twice also....i don't pay much attention to stated test of a line, i just go by diameter, and thought you pretty much did as well?

i've been using sunline assassin in 17# for the past couple of years, and it's worked out great for me. i've thought about trying the vicious again just to compare the 2. i never used the original on spinning, but didn't have a problem with handling on casters.

i do have 8# vicious pro elite on a spinning reel, and it can get twisted up during a day of fishing. i just let it out 1st thing of the morning while idling and it usually lasts most of the day with no problems.

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