Why Are Shimano Fans So Hardcore? 2024
RyneB reply :
Everytime i bring up the words Abu Garcia around a Shimano fan, they look at me like im an idiot. My uncle has 20+ shimano setups and he tells me im an idiot for having all Abus. I just want to know why Shimano users and fans talk like its the only real made and that everyone should use one. I have had 2 Shimanos over the years and hated them, thats why im an Abu Garcia guy. But if someone talks up there Shimano, i dont degrade them. I have been in the car show and racing scene for awhile, and BMW owners act this same way. Is it a sense of entitlement that they have a Shimano? Sorry for the rant, and sorry if the moderators erase this. Im just baffled on why these grown men act like children when it comes to a fishing reel. I have seen it at boat shows, fishing shows, on here, at the ramp, on the lake. Its really annoying. I asked a guy at a outdoor show who was making fun of my Abu Garcia sweatshirt, he said "its a Shimano thing".
Diggy reply :
pm this user
LgMouthGambler
He will answer your question 
clayton86 reply :
I agree and it is quite annoying I to am a Abu Garcia fan I own 1 shimano and will probably be trying to trade it on the flea market when I get back stateside for a revo s. I dont talk bad about shimanos as I haven't had an issue with them my citica is flawless I like it actually I just want all abu set ups now. The only reels I truly hate are Quantums.
rockchalk06 reply :
Ford v's Chevy v's Mopar debate. I have used them and while they are fantastic reels, for the money I can't see spending it
hike4steel reply :
It's the only way they can justify spending more and getting less.
Ima Bass Ninja reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 5:54 AM, hike4steel said:It's the only way they can justify spending more and getting less.
haha that's a great response right there!!
baluga reply :
You should get one the shimano high end reel like the conquest 100, calcutta te100GT or the core 50, then if you don't like it at least you would not get annoyed when they make fun of your abu reels since you feel that abu is far more better than what they have. As they say " if you can't beat them, joint them "
smalljaw67 reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 5:54 AM, hike4steel said:It's the only way they can justify spending more and getting less.
Like $300 dollars for a 5 ball bearing reel...But it is the quality of the bearings. Actually I have reels from all other manufacturers except Shimano as my Symetre spinnig reels broke and the customer service got me a little upset but I will admit their higher end reels are good solid reels. I have a Pflueger Supreme casting reel that was discontinued in '08 and it performs well. A Revo SX that is super solid, 2 Okuma reels, a V system and an Induron both casting reels and both solid. A Team Diawa X that still performs like the day I bought it, a Cabelas Prodigy, the Diawa advantage model of the prodigy which now discontinued. And 4 Quantum reels, 2 Smoke, a Kinetic, a Catalyst, and a Kinitic spinnig reel along with a Diawa Tierra spinning reel. My next Reel will likely be a Lews Tourney Pro but you never know, anyway, those are the reels I have that get used on a regular basis and it shows I'm far from brand loyal. I tend to lean toward Quantum reels just because I never had any trouble and they perform for me not to mention I get the same features as other reels costing 100 bucks more like and aluminum reel that is less than 7oz. I had a bad experience with Shimano and there are those who had bad experiences with other manufacturers and so you hear good and bad from all.
tnriverluver reply :
I have to agree with the O.P on this. I have (had) 6 Shimano reels and all have broken. They were not the top of the line but not bottom barrell either. I have 10 Garcia Ambassadors that cost much less with some being over 20 yrs old. All still work like they did when new!! I have many other brands also including BPS and they have all outperformed Shimano. I have the same luck with Sony electronics also however so others mileage may vary.
0119 reply :
Thats the American way of business now spread world wide. Planned obsolescence to convince you that you need the latest improvements combined with limited time engineering to insure you have to buy a replacement soon enough to assure their continued profit. Thats why old Abu Ambassadeurs keep going. They were made by a nation that at the time had a honor and pride instilled work ethic. Sadly they were bought by the mothership Pure Fishing a.k.a. Jarden who owns a large piece of the outdoors business pie.
JunkYard814 reply :
I agree with the O.P. I have a few Shimano reels that I like, but that doesn't mean I like all their reels. I also have had a few Quantum reels that I like, but I in no way like every reel they make. I think a lot of it stems back from years ago when Shimano really blew all the other reels out of the water. Since then, the times have changed and many competitors have caught up. I think many people use Shimanos with tunnel vision and scoff at reels like Abu, Quantum, Diawa and Lews, without even trying them
BassinNY reply :
It's the flock trait that the general public has now a days. Take Toyota for instance no matter what they do or the what problems they have people are diehard defenders of them. I've owned a Toyota and still own a Shimano, the Toyota was nice but I feel it wasn't the best in its class. As far as Shimano, they make nice stuff (I own a Core 50,) but they also make products that are not the best in class. Fish the best that you can afford and what feels comfortable to you. It's a great time to be a consumer in the bass fishing hobby. There are some great quality buys at many different price points these days, not just Shimano.
Capt.Bob reply :
I own mostly Shimano, I don't think there are any better spinning reels than the Stradic and Sustain, for there price period, THERE IS NOTHING SMOTHER WITH A BETTER DRAG OR MORE DURABLE, they were made to last! Stella simply has NO EQUAL PERIOD, at any price!! maybe others as well as me don't need the performance it gives but to say it is overpriced when there is no other reel that comes close to its quality, performance or reliability meaning lifetime durability!! would be a ludicrous. if you want to compare Saros Symetre and Sahara, you may find reels from others that will give the same performance and price equivalent. But that is about it.
I am sorry but the same goes for the round reels, in the sizes they are made in, no one can match the performance or durability of the higher end Calcuttas! they are the leaders in their catagory and the reels you always hear others comparing all other round reels to, for a reason, they are the best. I would put a 3 bearing calcutta against any other 3 bearing round baitcast reel any day they are smoother cast as well and the drag system is as good as it gets. Same for the 10 or 11 bearing Calcuttas, they are true top of the line in their category. It may not be worth the price to some for that level of performance, but if you want that level, there is only one way to get it.
The low profile market is closing in on them, they realize it and have looked for ways to cut cost and compete with the market and the many new low profile baitcasting reel manufacturers that are squeezing their market hold. The fact that on forums everywhere the crying we are hearing about the curado chronarch core citica and others being poorer quality than they were once known for is a true fact that Shimano is loosing that ground. that comes from Shimano owners that have owned and used them for years with many different year models, the ones that won't admit it have not owned or used enough equipment to no the difference and think they are using the best, which at one time I believe was the best, but as Bob Dillon put it,,,, THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGIN!!!!! 
As for there other lines of Saltwater gear I wont comment as I have very limited experience with it, what I have had was good, but there is little I can compare it to so I will not comment on those lines.
NoBassPro reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 9:42 AM, Capt.Bob said:I
I am sorry but the same goes for the round reels, in the sizes they are made in, no one can match the performance or durability of the higher end Calcuttas! they are the leaders in their catagory and the reels you always hear others comparing all other round reels to, for a reason, they are the best. I would put a 3 bearing calcutta against any other 3 bearing round baitcast reel any day they are smoother cast as well and the drag system is as good as it gets. Same for the 10 or 11 bearing Calcuttas, they are true top of the line in their category. It may not be worth the price to some for that level of performance, but if you want that level, there is only one way to get it.
The one issue I have had with the Calcuttas, and to me it was a big one, was if I took my thumb off the thumbar on a hard cast the reel had a tendency to engage. I have heard of others with the same issue. Being used to Ambassadeurs, I just didn't like it, I expected more out of a $300 reel. On the other hand, they were much smoother and easier to use with say, deep diving cranks, than the ABu even with the power handle on. Both drags have been smooth and reliable for me.
When it comes to spinning reels, I have both Shimanos and Daiwas and can't complain about either one.
LgMouthGambler reply :
Times are changing for all companies. It doesnt make sense to make a reel that will last forever, because what would be a selling point in the future. The same has happened with everything from cars, to TV's, boats, etc. I still stick to the whole "bearing wars" deal. You dont need 11 bearings to make a reel perform optimal. Just put then where it counts. Yes there is the whole Shimano vs well.....everyone else debate, but lets face it, it will never end. Th truth is there are many companies that are trying to get the upper hand in the market, and its going to take certiain things to persuade a customer to buy into their product. As for me, I have been using Shimano since my 1st Curado when I was 11, and have used many products since. Maybe its just that they have never done me wrong, and have always had good luck/results with their products. I will stick with them all the way through. People that are just getting into the sport may be captured by the new companies offering what they see in their eyes as "the latest and greatest", and it may also be those who have been in the game for a long time who are taken by the new products. Its a lifestyle, some are loyal, and some are open. I was open, and it didnt work for me, so I stuck to my brand. Some do, some dont, thats what makes us who we are. It would be no fun if we were all the same. Thats what makes it soo much fun, right Hootie? What Im trying to say is........cant we all just get along?LOL.
Basswhippa reply :
The mid to upper level Shimanos are made of quality components, are well engineered, and if you stockpile the right parts in the event they quit making those parts, will last your entire lifetime. I just put a new set of gears for a grand total of $15 in a Curado 200B and it feels brand new. I got the reel at a pawn shop and expect it to last at least a decade, if not longer. I kind of bond with my trusty equipment, so I like it to go and go and go.
The Swedish ABU Garcias are really sweet. I have several. 4600, countless 5500's of all makes, a 5600, several 5000's, and a prized Morrum and 5500CS Mag Elite that will cast 200 yards. They are all great. That said, REVO's are throw away reels. They work great, sometimes for a very long time, but when they break, they are done. You can't get parts for them. What is to like about that?
REVO's, BPS, Pflueger, Lews are all throw away reels. You use them til they break and then you buy another. I've got 40 year old ABU's I can still get parts for. But if you are out of warranty on your $180 REVO, you can throw it in the trash.
Diawa is good, but I hear they charge excessively high prices if you need a part.
I hear Quantum is pretty good and own one. At least you can get parts for a good long time if you fall in love with one of their reels.
Again, I like Shimano because most of them are very good quality reels, they last a long time, and you can get parts with a simple call to Shimano in the event something does wear out. What's not to like about that?
I don't trash peoples throw away reels. If you are the type of person who likes to get a new reel regularly, they are for you. Break it and trash it. I like the fact I can get parts for my nearly 20 year old Shimano Calcuttas and make them feel brand new. I have a lot of good memories with those reels! They will compete with Korean reels and I'm never outreeled by a throw away and mine are almost 20 years old. I also bonded well with my 5500 CL3 that I hotrodded and caught my personal best 9.5 pounder this past winter out of Okeechobee. I caught a 6, a 7 and a 9.5 on back to back casts with that reel. I love that hot rod of a reel and will keep it going for the rest of my life. It isn't my personality to have it break and then just take it to the dump or put it in a box for sentimental reasons. That would be the case if it were a Winch. Break it and chunk it. That doesn't get it for me.
K_Mac reply :
Basswhippa I think Shimano makes fine stuff. Your argument though that,"if you stockpile the right parts in the event they quit making those parts, will last your entire lifetime", is no more valid for Shimano than it is for any other quality reel. That includes Revos, BPS, Pflueger, Lews, etc. Your "throw away reels" statement does exemplify the attitude that the OP is talking about. Well done. 
Jake P reply :
LOL!On 7/7/2012 at 5:30 AM, Diggy said:pm this user
LgMouthGambler
He will answer your question
Everytime i see the word Shimano on here i think of you LgMouthGambler. If Shimano was responsible for the holocaust you would still be reppin' the Curado. More power to you brutha, love what you love!
To the OP, I wonder the same thing. Most people are happy with their reels and manufactuers but Shimano guys let the world know. It bothersme sometimes but i usually just laugh it off. What i dont like is when someone asks about a reel for 80 bucks and you get someone telling them to spend the extra cash and get a citica because it will last longer cause its a Shimano. Or when someone asks for a review of the Pro Qualifier and you get replies suggesting buying a Curado.
IMO Shimano guys= NY Yankee fans 
Bluebasser86 reply :
I fish mainly Shimano and I do like them but I have no problem trying something else. I've got a Revo S I like pretty well and a couple Pfluegar Supreme spinning reels that I love. I've had lots of reels and I just keep coming back to Shimano because they've been good to me, but I don't consider myself one of the posse because I'm not going to argue with someone about how Shimano is better than all the rest.
NorcalBassin reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 10:39 AM, Packman89 said:IMO Shimano guys= NY Yankee fans
That really hurts. Huge Shimano and Red Sox fan here.
Basswhippa reply :
Quantum, ABU Garcia C3's, Shimanos, Diawas, are some examples of reels that you can get parts from for a very long time. I think I've heard that Okuma does a decent job with parts. These are the makers of the good stuff, and ABU Garcia makes some very fine products that are not throw away reels.
The Korean made reels are the throw aways, from what I read. I haven't owned them and know they are pretty good for a while, but when something breaks, you chunk it. There are few parts available except maybe for the very most popular, such as the Pro Qualifier.
When you go to rebuild the Johnny Morris in 10 years (assuming it makes it past the warranty date at all) and see how many parts you will find. One tackle guy keeps a box full of the Korean thow aways so he can get parts when he needs them. He can't get them from the throw away manufacturers. Me, well I just put in a call to Shimano and got a bunch of Curado 200B parts on a pawn shop find and it has been discontinued for 7 or so years. LOL
It's kind of sad. We have a lot of throw away products nowadays. Appliances, guns, etc. Yeah they are cheap initially, some will even last a while, but when it breaks, you chunk it. My inlaws got a refrigerator that was made in the early 60's and it is in perfect working order. Go get one of those at Home Depot or Lowes today. ROFL
My hard earned money goes to companies that support their product for more than the 1 year warranty they offer even if it costs a little more initially.
Jake P reply :
Lol, sorry about that buddy. From a Texas perspective Yankees are loud, arrogant and obnoxious. Much like a Shimano homer.....JK haha.On 7/7/2012 at 11:38 AM, NorcalBassin said:That really hurts. Huge Shimano and Red Sox fan here.
Jim_M reply :
Got to love topics (any topic) that deals with things that are completely subjective. It matters none. 
Just fish.
Well...there's another chunk of bandwidth we'll never get back...
guitarkid reply :
I own both use both and enjoy both.
-gk
SirSnookalot reply :
There is a disease that runs rampant on this site, it's being narrow minded , it's of epidemic proportions. I can only address spinning gear, I don't use anything else. I do own Shimanos, my 2 stradics are excellent and my 2 sheperos are, lets just say I have better reels in that price range.
For my freshwater fishing my 3 supremes are more than adequate, they last, smooth as any other reel and handle anything in freshwater I'm going to catch. Spending money for a stradic, sustain or stella would be a waste of my money for bluegills, bass, perch or wallyeye, none of those fish on average are big and are not the most formidable fighters.
Saltwater, where I do most of my fishing, is another story, reels need to be well made to function properly to handle both the salt conditions as well as the fish. For some reason Shimano does not seem to be as popular down here and my saltwater forum as some other brands, both spinning and conventional. I do like my stradics, but like my other brands just as well. I will say this, if I made my living from fishing I would consider replacing my 15-18 saltwater reels with stellas, but at $900 a pop, it's prohibitive.
My own personal opinion, it's much important in knowing how to land fish than the rods, reels and line one is using.
rockchalk06 reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 2:40 PM, SirSnookalot said:My own personal opinion, it's much important in knowing how to land fish than the rods, reels and line one is using.
Well said!
*Hootie reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 10:07 AM, LgMouthGambler said:Thats what makes it soo much fun, right Hootie? What Im trying to say is........cant we all just get along?LOL.
Very well stated LMG. In the end, it all comes down to this. To each his own. Enjoy the banter and the debate. I coudnt pull LMG off his shimanos, and he couldnt pull me off my Lews. But its still fun raggin on the other guys reel. Thats what makes this site so great, a wide variety of opinions and experiences. I visit other bass forums, and some wont have a new entry for days. This site is hot, constantly moving. I love it.
P.S. Hey LMG, did you notice, I spelled shimano with small s and Lews with capital L.
Tee hee hee!!!
Hootie
0119 reply :
Location and demographics must have to do with that Snookie. Here 99% of any kind of fisherman probably has a giant Ugly Stick surf rod/reel combo from China Mart. Even if they are bream fishing. Heck even the fancy Ranger flats boat with its matching colored trailer and F250 will have those stupid outfits in the rod rack. If you ever see a "real" outfit and see a truly serious fisherman here, he's holding a Shimano. Used to be me, Ive spent my whole retirement buying their latest and greatest. But not anymore. They are just as throw away as the Revo.
Basswhippa reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 6:18 PM, 119 said:They are just as throw away as the Revo.
I don't believe that is true but am open to what you are saying if you can back it up. I do acknowledge that they have lowered the quality of the Curado and Citica from the E level. But if something breaks, you can get parts. So I'm not sure what you are saying.....
I would say that Shimano is one of the only brands that all of the superior reel mechanics (Like DVT and Lake Fork) will work on. Many don't do the other Korean reels. Some only do the Korean reels that are operational, because they don't want to go on a "parts hunt".
LgMouthGambler reply :
I am no Skankee fan! BoSox all they way baby! Shimano fans are no store bought, pretty boys, who only care about $. We are die hard, love what we do, and want to play because we love the game people.On 7/7/2012 at 11:38 AM, NorcalBassin said:That really hurts. Huge Shimano and Red Sox fan here.
LgMouthGambler reply :
Now youve gone too far, LOL.On 7/7/2012 at 4:24 PM, hootiebenji said:Very well stated LMG. In the end, it all comes down to this. To each his own. Enjoy the banter and the debate. I coudnt pull LMG off his shimanos, and he couldnt pull me off my Lews. But its still fun raggin on the other guys reel. Thats what makes this site so great, a wide variety of opinions and experiences. I visit other bass forums, and some wont have a new entry for days. This site is hot, constantly moving. I love it.
P.S. Hey LMG, did you notice, I spelled shimano with small s and Lews with capital L.
Tee hee hee!!!
Hootie
0119 reply :
Throw away as in : Stradic CI 4. Havent been able to get spare parts since it was created. In either 4000 or 2500 size. Curado D series. Less than one year after it was upgraded to the E, parts no longer available. Look at the list Shimano posts on their site. Even the Flagship Calais and Stella has models that are not supported with spare parts. That makes a Calais or Stella with a for ever warranty, a throw away. There is no difference between shimano or pure fishing or any of the other Banax factory made versions of the Revo that are labeled Lews. They are all in line with todays profit only, customer service never, what is pride in workmanship, business model.
.RM. reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 8:34 PM, 119 said:Throw away as in : Stradic CI 4. Havent been able to get spare parts since it was created. In either 4000 or 2500 size. Curado D series. Less than one year after it was upgraded to the E, parts no longer available. Look at the list Shimano posts on their site. Even the Flagship Calais and Stella has models that are not supported with spare parts. That makes a Calais or Stella with a for ever warranty, a throw away. There is no difference between shimano or pure fishing or any of the other Banax factory made versions of the Revo that are labeled Lews. They are all in line with todays profit only, customer service never, what is pride in workmanship, business model.
I say that's BUNK!...
In 27 yrs of working on/with Shimano and ordering parts. I have never found what your stating about immediate discontinuing parts for reels.
Shimano has supported their series/lines for six yrs and more after a series has discontinued. Not to mention the crossover list that most reputible service shops have on hand.
BUNK...
Capt.Bob reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 8:34 PM, 119 said:Throw away as in : Stradic CI 4. Havent been able to get spare parts since it was created. In either 4000 or 2500 size. Curado D series. Less than one year after it was upgraded to the E, parts no longer available. Look at the list Shimano posts on their site. Even the Flagship Calais and Stella has models that are not supported with spare parts. That makes a Calais or Stella with a for ever warranty, a throw away. There is no difference between shimano or pure fishing or any of the other Banax factory made versions of the Revo that are labeled Lews. They are all in line with todays profit only, customer service never, what is pride in workmanship, business model.
If you can't find out how or where to get and do the service yourself, there are people out there that make a living keeping your OLD SHIMANO running!! I prefer to work on my own and have never had one die yet, lets NOT talk about the low end kids stuff, all manufacturers make throw aways. The next time your stella, stradic Ci4 or any other version, or symetre, citica, curado calcutta, sustain, chronarch , calais, heck even your sahara is ready for the trash, I'll TAKE IT!!! you got a core, it should probably be pitched to, PM me for my address. when it gets here I'll send you a refund for your shipping!!! 
clayton86 reply :
this is fun.
0119 reply :
ReelMechanic......... those are all reels I tried to get parts for. Back orders that last several months, a handle for the 2500 CI4 lasted 10 months. Perhaps as an industry insider you dont recall that you and your fellow repairmen are in shimanos eyes, on a different tier as us retail purchasers. You get priority on parts. Perhaps you have never looked at shimanos very own list of models they no longer support on their site. For many years, even before you went by .RM. , I valued your posts for their knowledge. But I see no reason why you feel the need to claim that what I say about my experiences are lies.
clayton86 reply :
All reels are throw aways if you don't maintain them
Basswhippa reply :
I really just buy Shimano because I like the quality. It's kind of like owning a Lexus. Once you've had a Lexus, you can't go down to KIA, which is a Korean(I think) junk automaker. Sure they will get you around for a while, but they break a lot and at some point not to far after you own it, it is trash. You can't get much for it so it goes to the junkyard. I'll take the Toyota backed Lexus over some Kia every time. From what I read, the Ardent is pretty much the Dodge(Consumer Reports say they are crap) of baitcasters. Heavy, clunky, unreliable. I'm keeping my Japanese engineered Shimanos as they represent excellence in precision gearing. Had it not been for Shimano and their Calcutta of circa 1991, we would all be using crap or at least outdated reels.
I cleaned a Chronarch I got at a pawn shop. It looks to be 15+- years old and is scuffed somewhat. I just cleaned it up and it is as good as new, except the scratches. It'll outlast anything I could get from Bass Pro and I suspect the Revos as well. And I'll be able to get most parts for years, as it shares a lot with the Curado. This is why I like Shimano. ABU C3's are similar in terms of getting parts for a very long time. They are excellent in that regard. And I've been reading about the PQ's. Apparently they are pretty good and you can actually get some parts for them. Very cool.
0119 has made me aware of some stuff I didn't know. I'll be careful on the upper end Shimano stuff before I buy it.
38 Super Fan reply :
I've been so put off by Shimano hype, I simply refuse to buy their products.
buzzfrog reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 11:50 PM, 38 Super Fan said:I've been so put off by Shimano hype, I simply refuse to buy their products.
i like my citica, but yea shimano users, are the ******** of the fisihn world, well the ones i know
tstone reply :
I don't have much for this argument, I use Shimano reels on Abu rods.
0119 reply :
Nobody in this world babies their rods and reels like I do. Reel covers on whenever theyre not in my hands. Off the rod as soon as in the man cave. Do all my own service monthly or more often. I dont take the term throw away lightly. So no......my reels are not treated as throw aways.
clayton86 reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 11:57 PM, tstone said:I don't have much for this argument, I use Shimano reels on Abu rods.
that's the spirit lol
tomustang reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 5:22 AM, RyneB said:Everytime i bring up the words Abu Garcia around a Shimano fan, they look at me like im an idiot. My uncle has 20+ shimano setups and he tells me im an idiot for having all Abus. I just want to know why Shimano users and fans talk like its the only real made and that everyone should use one. I have had 2 Shimanos over the years and hated them, thats why im an Abu Garcia guy. But if someone talks up there Shimano, i dont degrade them. I have been in the car show and racing scene for awhile, and BMW owners act this same way. Is it a sense of entitlement that they have a Shimano? Sorry for the rant, and sorry if the moderators erase this. Im just baffled on why these grown men act like children when it comes to a fishing reel. I have seen it at boat shows, fishing shows, on here, at the ramp, on the lake. Its really annoying. I asked a guy at a outdoor show who was making fun of my Abu Garcia sweatshirt, he said "its a Shimano thing".
I'm a shimano fan, only reason why I got into them is because they were 65% off, how can you not like that?
Far as any brand goes, I really don't care what you use, where your royalty lies within a manufacturer, be happy with what you use, and not what others think. But to say every shimano user does what you say is a bit off the top.
clayton86 reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 12:39 AM, Tom D. said:I'm a shimano fan, only reason why I got into them is because they were 65% off, how can you not like that?
Far as any brand goes, I really don't care what you use, where your royalty lies within a manufacturer, be happy with what you use, and not what others think. But to say every shimano user does what you say is a bit off the top.
I wouldn't say every but maybe 90% lol
Jim_M reply :
If u throw sometin other than an Ardent Edge yer un-American! ...spit DING....that my spittoon sound
roadwarrior reply :
I love threads like this. 
:respect-059:
Strong, smooth, silent and reliant.
That's all I'm going to say.
BassWhole! reply :
God bless the American male sporting goods consumer.......carry on.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 8:34 PM, 119 said:Throw away as in : Stradic CI 4. Havent been able to get spare parts since it was created. In either 4000 or 2500 size. Curado D series. Less than one year after it was upgraded to the E, parts no longer available. Look at the list Shimano posts on their site. "Even the Flagship Calais and Stella has models that are not supported with spare parts. That makes a Calais or Stella with a for ever warranty, a throw away." There is no difference between shimano or pure fishing or any of the other Banax factory made versions of the Revo that are labeled Lews. They are all in line with todays profit only, customer service never, what is pride in workmanship, business model.
On 7/7/2012 at 11:00 PM, 119 said:ReelMechanic......... those are all reels I tried to get parts for. Back orders that last several months, a handle for the 2500 CI4 lasted 10 months. Perhaps as an industry insider you dont recall that you and your fellow repairmen are in shimanos eyes, on a different tier as us retail purchasers. You get priority on parts. Perhaps you have never looked at shimanos very own list of models they no longer support on their site. For many years, even before you went by .RM. , I valued your posts for their knowledge. But I see no reason why you feel the need to claim that what I say about my experiences are lies.
On 7/7/2012 at 11:58 PM, 119 said:Nobody in this world babies their rods and reels like I do. Reel covers on whenever theyre not in my hands. Off the rod as soon as in the man cave. Do all my own service monthly or more often. I dont take the term throw away lightly. So no......my reels are not treated as throw aways.
"Throw away as in : Stradic CI 4. Havent been able to get spare parts since it was created. In either 4000 or 2500 size."
But wait a minuet! "a handle for the 2500 CI4 lasted 10 months". Oh! you could get parts???
"Can't get parts for even liftime warrnted reels" ??? "Even the Flagship Calais and Stella has models that are not supported with spare parts. That makes a Calais or Stella with a for ever warranty, a throw away."
Read the warranty, if that were the case, which I dought, they will give you a brand new reel with many new upgrades!
"I dont take the term throw away lightly. So no......my reels are not treated as throw aways". Am I missing something here???
So you can get parts, and even though say you can't that makes them throw aways, but you don't treat them as throw aways, or are you still calling them throw aways, is it the saltwater or am I missing the logic here?????
Most Shimano owners are not as the OP states, just as most Shinano critics, don't make these type of statements. But there are plenty of those out there that twist what the truth is, to knock anyone who will back Shimanos for their merits. And plenty that will agree with them that have never even had the same hands on experience???
If all Shimano owners were that way, it's funny how many forums have threads by long time Shimano fans that are dissapointed in there low profile baitcast reels and are turning to other brands for better quality reels. Wonder how that could be.
But then those who are willing to pay for the Stella, would be stupid to think or lie to to anyone saying there are better or equall reels out their, but their are plenty who haven't been there done that, that would argue there %^(*&%$ whatever was every bit as good cause they catch X pound fish with it?????
Like was said earlier, this is a b@!! $&!** thread and that is what most internet threads run on. As reel fisherman it is up to us to go along with fun and know the difference.
NoBassPro reply :
http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/customer_service0/Repair_Services.download.-mainParsys-0021-downloadFile.html/PNLA%20LIST%202011.pdf
there is the full list of reels shimano no longer services, you will note there are stellas and calcuttas on there. not b.s., just not what you want to hear
0119 reply :
Capt., since your very first thread, a I'm in love with Shimano thread at that, you talk alot. But I just never can get the gist of what your saying. But I enjoy the volumes you write......
clayton86 reply :
ah the entertainment value of this thread is STELLAer haha
RyneB reply :
Im the OP, and noone had a clear cut answer why SOME Shimano owners are tools. But it is very entertaining reading all the posts. I was showing my wife, and she cant understand how us grown men can argue about fishing reels. I told her its like ice fishing, some people would never understand.
Basswhippa reply :
On 7/7/2012 at 11:58 PM, 119 said:Nobody in this world babies their rods and reels like I do. Reel covers on whenever theyre not in my hands. Off the rod as soon as in the man cave. Do all my own service monthly or more often. I dont take the term throw away lightly. So no......my reels are not treated as throw aways.
I mean there are people out there who put synthetic motor oil in their Dodge Neons, but it's still worthless after a few years because it's a POS model sedan. But whatever floats their boat.
0119 reply :
I agree. I thought thats what I was trying to say. Everything made right now by any of the major brands is.........POS.
Basswhippa reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 1:44 AM, NoBassPro said:http://fish.shimano....A LIST 2011.pdf
there is the full list of reels shimano no longer services, you will note there are stellas and calcuttas on there. not b.s., just not what you want to hear
I have a bunch of the first Calcuttas. Technically they are no longer supported. They are the old silver ones built in the early 90's. However Shimano uses so many of these same parts for newer reels, it can almost entirely be rebuilt.
People like DVT and RM know how to do it and are more than willing to help us cross reference the new reels with the old ones, for those who are into self maintenance. After spending 7 hours refurbishing my newly acquired most excellent Chronarch, I think the feels RM and DVT are unbelievable fair. Had I done this at their fee, I would have made well below minimum wage. Those guys are well worth their money and much more skilled and efficient than I am. I just wanted to work on the Chronarch.
clayton86 reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 2:40 AM, Basswhippa said:I mean there are people out there who put synthetic motor oil in their Dodge Neons, but it's still worthless after a few years because it's a POS model sedan. But whatever floats their boat.
I beg to differ my father has a 97 Neon he babies and has done tons of after market stuff to thing still runs like a champ. Granted its still a neon and it looks goofy it was his attempt to connect with me growing up and being into tunning cars he bought a neon I had every tunner car under the sun. ANYTHING be it cars/trucks or rods and reels if properly maintained will last d**n near for ever if u neglect them then yes everything will be a throw away be it a Ferrari or a stella or a cavalier or neon. If you negelct it it will be junk you put a tiny bit of effort into maintaining anything and it will last you plain and simple im hard on everything my reels my cars but I also maintain,clean, service them when its needed and never had an issue with anything. Maybe im just lucky and my stuff doesn't break down even my hated quantum reals go with me almost every trip and are still in working order I just don't like them.
Basswhippa reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 2:42 AM, 119 said:I agree. I thought thats what I was trying to say. Everything made right now by any of the major brands is.........POS.
No that isn' t quite accurate. Swedish ABU's and Shimanos are still very good. I would say Diawas, some Quantumns, and some Okumas are as well.
Ima Bass Ninja reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 2:33 AM, RyneB said:Im the OP, and noone had a clear cut answer why SOME Shimano owners are tools. But it is very entertaining reading all the posts. I was showing my wife, and she cant understand how us grown men can argue about fishing reels. I told her its like ice fishing, some people would never understand.
It's just like sports teams. Some people just happen to take their enthusiasm to obnoxious levels.
NoBassPro reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 2:43 AM, Basswhippa said:I have a bunch of the first Calcuttas. Technically they are no longer supported. They are the old silver ones built in the early 90's. However Shimano uses so many of these same parts for newer reels, it can almost entirely be rebuilt.
People like DVT and RM know how to do it and are more than willing to help us cross reference the new reels with the old ones, for those who are into self maintenance. After spending 7 hours refurbishing my newly acquired most excellent Chronarch, I think the feels RM and DVT are unbelievable fair. Had I done this at their fee, I would have made well below minimum wage. Those guys are well worth their money and much more skilled and efficient than I am. I just wanted to work on the Chronarch.
Yes, their site does redirect you to authorized service centers for reels they no longer service, however it looks like most of the calcutta's made before '05 are no longer supported by them directly. Really, it doesn't matter much to me, I no longer own one. Good reels, but definately not the only fishable option out there.
Capt.Bob reply :
This is almost funny, B.S. you say, again been there done that!!! why would I buy a new frame for a Stella and put old parts in them, that is what most discontinued parts are for the stella, when Shimano is going to upgrade you to the New model they are going to give you at no charge!! Thanks Shimano!! The 10000 Stella part is the front drag, most want the new material anyway, So if you fix it yourself the newer model which is probably upgraded with a better drag, will interchange. If not, you get a new Stella with multiple upgrades, all you have to do is send it in. those dirty $%^$##%^!!
They show the Stradic 1000 MGF body, that was on that list, well if the body is broke or you let it get corroded, that bad you need a new body, it probably would not make sence to put that much money in it. I just bought a screw and line roller bearing shim and roller for my 2500 MGF, so small parts interchange with the 1000, since they share the same frame, different print is all. So the only difference in the 2 are the printing on the frame and the spool holds less line but totally interchange! So if your going to buy the frame just get the one for the 2500 same thing as the discontinued just different print on it!!
Like I said the antis don't understand, your lifetime warranty means you never have to pay for that reel again, if they can't fix it, or I can't get parts to fix it myself, which I always do and have never even paid to get them shipped!! They will give me a brand new reel with a lot of updates and new technology!!!!!! Wow I hate that.
If I could not get parts for most upper end reels from them it would be because most are interchangable with newer updated parts that fit the older reels anyway, so why stock inferior parts, when newer upgraded parts work on the older model anyway??? Make mine the better updated part. I have upgraded many models with different parts but from higher end reels, the better parts fit them, or newre model parts that interchange on older models. I know when I could use an FG stradic spool handle gears bearings whatever on a Symetre FH, but you have to understand, Shimano does not cut the throat of the authorized service center that knows how what and where, to use proper parts to make your reel perform like new or better. These guy's have spent many hours and much time and money, aquiering the knowledge to be classified as professional, they would know this already, and why it pays to use their service if you don't.
I'm sorry but no it isn't B.S. But if you haven't been there you probably won't understand. I am sure you will find any reel worth it's salt from Shimano will have parts available for over 20 years and longer. The problem is most wana be pro's on the matter don't know what parts should be used or interchanged, for those, if your reel is on "THE LIST" I would send it to a professional service provider, money says they will make it work like new, if it is one of the reels I mentioned earlier!! Or if you insist on being right and want to believe this is B.S. you can throw it in the trash and call it a throw away in your mind!! If it is one I mentioned earlier, send it to me if you decide to throw it away, I'll waste my time on it.
Highhawk1948 reply :
Been using the old barrel type Abu-Garcias for over 35 years and love them. They are my workhorses.
0119 reply :
5 paragraphs, a new record
LgMouthGambler reply :
Haha, thats funny right there.On 7/8/2012 at 2:40 AM, Basswhippa said:I mean there are people out there who put synthetic motor oil in their Dodge Neons, but it's still worthless after a few years because it's a POS model sedan. But whatever floats their boat.
LgMouthGambler reply :
Capt Bob is right. If you read between the lines you will realize your error. Its not that they are discontinued, they have upgraded parts, and they are interchangable. Pretty much all Shimanos are built the same. They just start using better materials or tighter specs. One day you will understand.On 7/8/2012 at 4:24 AM, 119 said:5 paragraphs, a new record
telmomarques reply :
i used to have core, curadoe 200-e, i traded them all for daiwas, my all reels are daiwas now. daiwa for life
.RM. reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 1:18 AM, roadwarrior said:I love threads like this.
:respect-059:
Strong, smooth, silent and reliant.
That's all I'm going to say.
Strong, smooth, silent and reliant = Shimano
SoFlaBassAddict reply :
Gotta be one of the best threads in recent history here. Just awesome
P.S.
I love my Shimanos!
.RM. reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 1:44 AM, NoBassPro said:http://fish.shimano....A LIST 2011.pdf
there is the full list of reels shimano no longer services, you will note there are stellas and calcuttas on there. not b.s., just not what you want to hear
Here we go agian...Yeah have this PDF printed and on my wall in the office. No biggie, I will agree that there are Calcutta's and Stella'a did YOU look at how OLD they are (13yrs).
Shimano supports every reel they make for at least 6 yrs.
Nothing in their series' has ever had a LIFETIME Guarantee or Warranty
..
Better Luck Next Time!
0119 reply :
13 years. So what? Ive got reels still going after 30. My buddy still uses a 6000 Ambassadeur still going since like 1960. Curado D was not supported for 6 years. Like I said less than a year. My experience. Why do you insist on saying my experience is a lie?
NoBassPro reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 5:09 AM, .RM. said:Here we go agian...Yeah have this PDF printed and on my wall in the office. No biggie, I will agree that there are Calcutta's and Stella'a did YOU look at how OLD they are (13yrs).
Shimano supports every reel they make for at least 6 yrs.
Nothing in their series' has ever had a LIFETIME Guarantee or Warranty
..
Better Luck Next Time!
2005 is 7 years, yes I did look. They were introduced 13 years ago would be correct, though.
bassinbrian reply :
Just need to switch to Daiwa 
NoBassPro reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 5:09 AM, .RM. said:Here we go agian...Yeah have this PDF printed and on my wall in the office. No biggie, I will agree that there are Calcutta's and Stella'a did YOU look at how OLD they are (13yrs).
Shimano supports every reel they make for at least 6 yrs.
Nothing in their series' has ever had a LIFETIME Guarantee or Warranty
..
Better Luck Next Time!
Well I guess Shimano had to catch up with ABU and finally released their $500 version of the Revo Toro.
Bluebasser86 reply :
Wow this thread needs to just go away already. It's starting to sound like an argument between a bunch of first graders "Na uh! You don't know!" Some of us like Shimano, some a little too much perhaps, some of us like other brands of reels, Goodnight! 
LgMouthGambler reply :
Booo, no sense of adventure, LOL.On 7/8/2012 at 7:29 AM, Bluebasser86 said:Wow this thread needs to just go away already. It's starting to sound like an argument between a bunch of first graders "Na uh! You don't know!" Some of us like Shimano, some a little too much perhaps, some of us like other brands of reels, Goodnight!
Gatorbassman reply :
This is how I see the Shimano Posse.
Fishing is wrong because being vegan is the only way to go. I've been a vegan for 27 years and I'm doing just fine, therefore you are wrong for fishing. I consider you lowlife scum for even considering going fishing. Vegetables are always readily available at your supermarket and fishing is hit or miss. The simple fact is that I'm better than you for eating only vegetables.
(is the same as)
Using reels other than Shimano is wrong because Shimano is the only brand worth buying. I've been using Shimano reels for 27 years and they've worked good for me, therefore you are wrong for even thinking about using another brand. I consider you lowlife scum for even considering buying a brand other than Shimano. Parts for a Shimano are always available and good luck finding the other brands parts. It's a fact that I'm better than you for only using Shimano reels.
And that is why I refuse to buy Shimano. Same-same
It's great to believe in something but when you start to push your beliefs on others there is a problem.
Hooligan reply :
I look at it like this- I take good care of my reels, I maintain them VERY well. If they need a DEEP DEEP DEEP cleaning and/or bearings I send them to a mechanic. I have Shimano reels that are 20+ years old and work like the day I bought them. I have Daiwa reels that are 15. I have had seven premiers that have had a multitude of issues in short amounts of time, four of which have been rebuilt at least five times in a four year period. The only thing that is original is the frame.
That's why I'm hardcore on shimano reels.
BASSclary reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 6:00 AM, bassinbrian said:Just need to switch to Daiwa
Yup. Daiwas are some of the most under-rated reels on these boards.
Basswhippa reply :
Early on ABU gave us reliability and later they were innovative with their "ultra cast" which is now commonly known as super free. Diawa gave us magnetic controls. Shimano gave us excessively extreme space age tolerances. And what has Bass Pro Shops given us? Lowest cost producer reels. They are the Chinamart of reels. Well Koreamart. There's nothing wrong with that if that suits your fancy. I go to Chinamart and Bass Pro Shops regularly. They carry Shimano too.
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Dan: reply :
I like Shimanos for two reasons:
Because all the Abus I've owned have crapped out or been outperformed by every comparable Shimano I've owned.
Because I prefer centrifugal brakes to magnetic brakes.
But beyond that,
I see four times as many posts complaining about a "shimano bias" or the "posse" as I do posts made by Shimano owners that are above and beyond what any of the Daiwa/Quantum/Abu guys say.
For example:
On 7/8/2012 at 4:48 AM, telmomarques said:i used to have core, curadoe 200-e, i traded them all for daiwas, my all reels are daiwas now. daiwa for life
I see **** like this all the time..ALL THE TIME...but no one has claimed a "Daiwa posse"
Why? I don't know, but I think it's more than a little myopic.
It's the internet people...you know the saying about buttholes and opinions...
Dan: reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 2:33 AM, RyneB said:Im the OP, and noone had a clear cut answer why SOME Shimano owners are tools. But it is very entertaining reading all the posts. I was showing my wife, and she cant understand how us grown men can argue about fishing reels. I told her its like ice fishing, some people would never understand.
Probably because people call them tools for liking a certain brand.
Please post examples of Shimano owners being "tools" and I'll show you just as many similar posts about Daiwas and Abus.
Basswhippa reply :
If you look at the reel mechanics who make their entire living off of reel maintenance, every single one that I have seen works on SHIMANO. Most all will work on Swedish ABU's. That is the only thing they have in common. Some work on SHIMANO exclusively, some work on SHIMANO and a few other brands, and a few work on anything, taking a chance that if they lose a part, or if one is missing, they will be buying the owner a new reel, because they can't get the part. But again, they all work on SHIMANO. I've never read about one who didn't like SHIMANO, many of whom claim the Curado B or SF or Chronarch is their favorite reel. They are in the know. That says everything.
LgMouthGambler reply :
Ok, so to put it in simple terms why I like Shimano soo much is this......If you take the Chronarch, Curado, and Citica apart, you will see that they are pretty much the same reel. By that I mean that they look almost identical internally. There are minor differences like bearings or bushings, and types of material for parts, but they are contructed the same. Shimanos to me are like the 1911 of fishing reels. They are simple, time proven design, that are easily modified if wanting to. I can disassemble them with my eyes closed, clean, and reassemble with relative ease. I personally do like other brands of reels too, and have owned some good ones throughout the years, but have ended up with sticking with just Shimanos in the end. For me they work, and everyone has their preference on what feels good to them. Every company has their good, better, best lines. I think us Shimano guys just like to get a rise out of all the others. The fish could care less what is reeling them in. Fish what you want, see you in 20 years when im still using my E series lineup.
Gatorbassman reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 10:48 AM, LgMouthGambler said:Fish what you want, see you in 20 years when im still using my E series lineup.
And we will still be using our Revos and Daiwas.
You see, I could take your post and replace all the Shimano brands and models with a Abu or Daiwa brand or model and I would still be telling the truth. The fact is that if you take care of what you got it will last you a long time.
The "I'm a step above" attitude is such a deal breaker for me. I loose all respect for someone who puts themselves above someone else because of something they own.
Capt.Bob reply :
I used nothing but Abu 40 years ago then I bought a diawa 30 years ago and found out how much smoother and more refined a reel could be, then 20 years ago I bought a couple, well, I won't say because I don't want stoned. But I have found nothing to replace that brand, with as good a performance as I have become accustom to, till this year when, If I can say it without being persecuted, the new Lews reels. Is there a "Lews Posse"??? Sorry but in time the other models of reels I found to outperform the competition may get a new manufacturer's model, to outperform them, when they do, that is what I will use, till then I will spend my money on what performs the best, in whatever style reel I use. I don't believe it is cheaper to buy a product because it is not as good but will reel in fish!! I find it better to buy as good a quality and performance as you can and consider that a bargain, it will probably loose less fish. Hope that was politically correct? and still don't see the Shimano owners any more arrogant that users of other brands, they all have extremest!
Long Mike reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 9:10 AM, flukemaster said:This is how I see the Shimano Posse.
Fishing is wrong because being vegan is the only way to go. I've been a vegan for 27 years and I'm doing just fine, therefore you are wrong for fishing. I consider you lowlife scum for even considering going fishing. Vegetables are always readily available at your supermarket and fishing is hit or miss. The simple fact is that I'm better than you for eating only vegetables.
(is the same as)
Using reels other than Shimano is wrong because Shimano is the only brand worth buying. I've been using Shimano reels for 27 years and they've worked good for me, therefore you are wrong for even thinking about using another brand. I consider you lowlife scum for even considering buying a brand other than Shimano. Parts for a Shimano are always available and good luck finding the other brands parts. It's a fact that I'm better than you for only using Shimano reels.
And that is why I refuse to buy Shimano. Same-same
It's great to believe in something but when you start to push your beliefs on others there is a problem.
Gene, truer words have never been spoken. Well said!
K_Mac reply :
Well said Fluke. I completely understand a preference for a given brand. I do not understand, or have any use for those who think that they are superior based on their tackle purchase decisions. Really? And while I'm at it, this idea that if a product is made in ????? it is inferior, is also offensive. Are you kidding me? Junk is made in every country, including this one.
Tell me why you like your stuff: I'm interested. Tell me why you don't care for mine: I'm good with that. Tell me my stuff is inferior and imply that any serious, intelligent person would not own it and I don't care what else you have to say, I'm not interested. Life is too short to suffer fools those who can't treat others with respect.
Basswhippa reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 11:19 AM, flukemaster said:And we will still be using our Revos and Daiwas.
Diawa yes. However, you will pay dearly for the replacement parts. Way more than what they should cost. Revos? No. They will be in "Reel Trash Heaven" with their BPS cousins while the SHIMANOS and Daiwas are still running smooth. Revos will be fun while they last, but when they are done they are done, being the throwaway that they are.
To be sure, I would take and use a Revo if someone gave me one. But I would expect to S*^& can it when it broke. There are no parts available, from what I read.
Gatorbassman reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 12:12 PM, Basswhippa said:Diawa yes. However, you will pay dearly for the replacement parts. Way more than what they should cost. Revos? No. They will be in "Reel Trash Heaven" with their BPS cousins while the SHIMANOS and Daiwas are still running smooth. Revos will be fun while they last, but when they are done they are done, being the throwaway that they are.
To be sure, I would take and use a Revo if someone gave me one. But I would expect to S*^& can it when it broke. There are no parts available, from what I read.
See what I mean.
I fish hard for more than 100 days a year. Probably more like 150. I've had the same Revo reels for five years. That's a minimum of 500 days of use out of those reels and I've never.... and I mean never had a problem with any of them. I haven't had to replace a single part so I don't know where you get by thinking that they are throw away reels. I also use Daiwa HST's and I've had to have the main drive and nut replaced on three of the six I own and a fourth is about to have to go in the shop for same repair.
Hooligan reply :
One more thing needs clearing up, here, too. UltraCast and Superfree are two entirely different things with mechanically different processes and parts. It could be said they don't even act on the spool the same way... But I digress.
Fish what you like, like what you fish. I'm a complete Shimano snob, and there is no way I would rub someone with it, it's ridiculous to do so. Who, in my opinion makes the best reel out there? Ardent, period. The edge elite is the best reel I've ever owned.
RyneB reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 10:31 AM, Basswhippa said:If you look at the reel mechanics who make their entire living off of reel maintenance, every single one that I have seen works on SHIMANO. Most all will work on Swedish ABU's. That is the only thing they have in common. Some work on SHIMANO exclusively, some work on SHIMANO and a few other brands, and a few work on anything, taking a chance that if they lose a part, or if one is missing, they will be buying the owner a new reel, because they can't get the part. But again, they all work on SHIMANO. I've never read about one who didn't like SHIMANO, many of whom claim the Curado B or SF or Chronarch is their favorite reel. They are in the know. That says everything.
I used to race cars. I spent $14,000 for my 2004 GTO. I put 6 grand into it and ran a 10 second quarter mile. Everyone talked down to me because i had a Pontiac and not a Chevy, Dodge, Ford (yet i had a chevy motor). In the end, my car ran faster for less than most fords, corvettes and dodges. Thats how i look at me Revo Ss'. I spent $99 on all 6 of them, and they do just as good as the Shimano Core. I just find it wierd that someone would pay $370 for a Core, that a $100 Revo can do. Thats like saying "im going to buy a $40,000 corvette because its a Corvette, yet this 2005 Mustang GT with a blower is twice as fast and fun for $14,000." I guess it comes down to the fact I dont like the entitlement that i feel Shimano owners ask for because they own Shimanos. I just love seeing the Shimano lovers on this thread trying to defend themselves to the fact they spent twice as much for a reel that does exactly what a Revo S does. Not that i care about reels, im just tired of hearing about how i am a low life because i own a superior, yet cheaper priced product. Can i have another Revo S and Veritas rod for $200 please? Still $150 cheaper than a Core 50.
ABU FOR LIFE
Northern Strain reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 12:12 PM, Basswhippa said:Diawa yes. However, you will pay dearly for the replacement parts. Way more than what they should cost. Revos? No. They will be in "Reel Trash Heaven" with their BPS cousins while the SHIMANOS and Daiwas are still running smooth. Revos will be fun while they last, but when they are done they are done, being the throwaway that they are.
To be sure, I would take and use a Revo if someone gave me one. But I would expect to S*^& can it when it broke. There are no parts available, from what I read.
Who are you?... Like really who are you? You show up 2 weeks ago and now you are telling us what reels are trash and what arent. is this just what you have read or do you have expereince with the newer stuff thats not Shimano? Have you used a revo? Road warrior, and a lot of the other guys that are pushing shimano have a great reputation and you can almost always take them seriously. They don't say something unless they have first hand experience. You though, get your rep up!
Northern Strain reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 2:27 PM, Northern Strain said:Who are you?... Like really who are you? You show up 2 weeks ago and now you are telling us what reels are trash and what arent. is this just what you have read or do you have expereince with the newer stuff thats not Shimano? Have you used a revo? Road warrior, and a lot of the other guys that are pushing shimano have a great reputation and you can almost always take them seriously. They don't say something unless they have first hand experience. You though, get your rep up!
That was a bit harsh. I should have said I don't think it is a good idea to be new to the boards and begin a crusade for Shimano agianst all other reel manufacturers. It just doesn't go over well or sound very smart.
My nicer .02
SoFlaBassAddict reply :
Ok, my first comment was a joke. But I've got to put my opinion in on this thread.
Why do I fish with Shimano reels? I've used them for 30 years and have never had a reason to change. I've still got some of the first Baitrunner spinning reels mounted on rods out in the garage. I've owned other reels in the past, I still do. They all see use. I use what I use because I like it and am familiar with it. Plain and simple. I'll never bash somebody because they choose to use a different brand. Honestly, who gives a d**n? It's a grossly immature argument. Buy what you want to buy and can afford. Then have fun catching fish with it. I fish with plenty of people who use different brands of equipment. In the end, it all boils down to one thing. Having fun fishing.
/end thread
clayton86 reply :
I basically see all of basswhippa's post so far as anti Korean from reels to cars he doesn't like anything unless its Japanese. Almost all of his replies bring up how horrible Korean products are.
SirSnookalot reply :
I'm on my second Genesis sedan, it compares in every way to any of the MB's, BMW's and Lexus' I've had. Next time it will be something else for variety, be nice if Hyundai came out with a ragtop.
Sam reply :
When you talk about brand names some of us are stuck on only one or two for different products.
We use these specific manufacturers as we have had good results with their products.
I think in every industry the brands that advertise the most or are used by high schools, colleges, the pros, chefs, NASCAR, your favorit bass pros, your parents, your friends, etc. are the ones that we generate towards during our lifetime.
I know that my son would have a fit if he had anything "Wal Mart" while in high school. All of his clothes had to be one name brand as that was what the other kids were wearing. If even trickled down to his gym clothes!!!
Shimano has been good to me. Of course I agree that their quality has gone down due to their changes in their reels, but their reels and rods have served me well over the years and I will stick with them.
So when someone asks which brand to purchase I know that if I replay "Shimano" I will not be giving them false information.
I have Abu's and love them. But I use Shimano 90% of the time and so far, so good.
CKFishin reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 1:18 PM, RyneB said:I used to race cars. I spent $14,000 for my 2004 GTO. I put 6 grand into it and ran a 10 second quarter mile. Everyone talked down to me because i had a Pontiac and not a Chevy, Dodge, Ford (yet i had a chevy motor). In the end, my car ran faster for less than most fords, corvettes and dodges. Thats how i look at me Revo Ss'. I spent $99 on all 6 of them, and they do just as good as the Shimano Core. I just find it wierd that someone would pay $370 for a Core, that a $100 Revo can do. Thats like saying "im going to buy a $40,000 corvette because its a Corvette, yet this 2005 Mustang GT with a blower is twice as fast and fun for $14,000." I guess it comes down to the fact I dont like the entitlement that i feel Shimano owners ask for because they own Shimanos. I just love seeing the Shimano lovers on this thread trying to defend themselves to the fact they spent twice as much for a reel that does exactly what a Revo S does. Not that i care about reels, im just tired of hearing about how i am a low life because i own a superior, yet cheaper priced product. Can i have another Revo S and Veritas rod for $200 please? Still $150 cheaper than a Core 50.
ABU FOR LIFE
This made me laugh... Its pointless to argue with you because you have a mindset that makes what you are saying logical... Corvettes vs mustangs? GTO the same as a 10 second vette? Revo S same as the Core? considering the STX is the curado competition that would mean a core is not as good as a curado.... lol comical
*Hootie reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 8:27 AM, LgMouthGambler said:Booo, no sense of adventure, LOL.
LMG has no lack of stamina when it comes to his shimanos, (small s).
Hootie
Basswhippa reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 2:41 PM, Northern Strain said:That was a bit harsh. I should have said I don't think it is a good idea to be new to the boards and begin a crusade for Shimano agianst all other reel manufacturers. It just doesn't go over well or sound very smart.
My nicer .02
I'm not new here but the title of the thread made me post more than I normally do. Gee, nobody would have known that I was a "tool" or part of the SHIMANO "posse" had I not posted on this thread, because I've rarely said a single word about them until this thread. I did not crusade for Shimano against all others and explain that I own others, one Quantum, tons of ABU's including some(5500CS Mag Elite and 5 size Ultra Mag Plus) that tourny casters toss 200 yards, a Morrum and tons of Shimano. I've stated that Daiwa and Okuma make some great reels and will service them as need dictates. Even the Korean reels can be good, but you will have trouble getting parts on most of them and you are messed over if it is out of warranty. About me "not sounding smart", well, one must remember that half the population falls to the left side of the IQ chart.
All that said, regarding the OP, Shimanos are well engineered, they last, the reel maintenance guys appear to love them because of the ease of working on them and you can get parts for Shimanos for decades through no more than a phone call. I don't consider myself a tool for liking these fearures.
K_Mac reply :
I was going to leave this thread alone, but I will add one more thing. RyneB you are doing the exact same thing that you find offensive with the Shimano guys. You feel superior because you use less expensive stuff and then justify this by trying to make the case that the Revo S is as good as the Core. Nonsense. On either extreme the bottom line is the same: I am smarter/better than you based on my purchase decisions. While many of us are guilty of this occasionally (including me) it is just fishing guys.
*Hootie reply :
I gotta say, this is getting crazy.
Hootie
0119 reply :
You wont have trouble getting parts from Korea. Pure Fishing doesnt send you back a repaired reel, they send you a replacement reel. Same with Quantum. Shimano will repair your reel, but it'll come back with scratches from the careless repairman.
To think of a Shimano as comparable to a 1911...wow. Way too many parts. Many if not most people wouldnt or couldnt even strip one down. A Abu C series is a 1911. easy to strip, clunky, simple, unrefined, thats a 1911.
Basswhippa reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 8:53 PM, 119 said:You wont have trouble getting parts from Korea. Pure Fishing doesnt send you back a repaired reel, they send you a replacement reel. Same with Quantum. Shimano will repair your reel, but it'll come back with scratches from the careless repairman.
To think of a Shimano as comparable to a 1911...wow. Way too many parts. Many if not most people wouldnt or couldnt even strip one down. A Abu C series is a 1911. easy to strip, clunky, simple, unrefined, thats a 1911.
The Shimanos are actually worth fixing. I would prefer to get my own reels back in most cases, than to a new reel. I have memories with those reels. They are worth keeping and will last for decades, scratched or not.
Interesting Website. You can order thousands of Pacific Rim reels a month for cheap, if one likes.
http://www.tradekey....g-reel-rod.html
Like it or not, it is the world we, including Shimano, live in. If anyone knows what "dumping" is well, US steel industry was slaughted/obliterated because of the Chinese doing it. Again, it's just the world we live in. Social/economic Darwinism.
RyneB reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 8:38 PM, K_Mac said:I was going to leave this thread alone, but I will add one more thing.
I said superior in a sarcasm way. I guess its hard to understand that over the computer. I was more or less throwing gasoline on the fire lol. I started the topic because i was trying to figure out why it seems that only Shimano owners feel there reel is far superior than all other reels. Then this thread went crazy and i find it very entertaining. Maybe, just maybe, there was a Shimano fan who rubs it in everyones face and read all these posts and decides that he will stop bashing anything other than Shimano. If that happens, this thread was a success.
Glenn reply :
I've been an Abu user for 30+ years now, and have rarely had an issue. And when I have, I've not experienced any issues with getting parts or service. But I doubt that's any different from any other brand of reel out there. Properly used and maintained, any reel will last a lifetime.
Although I obviously like Abu, I enjoy checking out reels from other brands and even trying out a few. It's always good to keep an open mind because there's a number of innovations out there. I'll be going to ICAST next week, and you can bet I'll be checking out all the latest reels. Last year, U.S. Reel introduced an innovative line level system that I found fascinating. And Pinnacle's selection is really amazing. They cover a very wide budget spectrum and have some really cool features not found on other reels.
I've always thought Shimano had excellent spinning reels, but last year's ICAST showing was a big disappointment. The only new thing they offered was a "kickstand" for spinning reels. That's not a slam on Shimano. But after they released the Core the year before at ICAST, I was expecting more from them.
I think last year's standout was Quantum's EXO series. They're incredibly lightweight - both rods and reels - and very smooth.
That said, the new ABU MGX reels were almost as light, and huge leap forward for Abu. I bought 7. They work great, and are definitely the lightest, smoothest reels from Abu to date.
Looking forward to seeing what's new at ICAST this year!
clayton86 reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 10:57 PM, Glenn said:I've been an Abu user for 30+ years now, and have rarely had an issue. And when I have, I've not experienced any issues with getting parts or service. But I doubt that's any different from any other brand of reel out there. Properly used and maintained, any reel will last a lifetime.
Although I obviously like Abu, I enjoy checking out reels from other brands and even trying out a few. It's always good to keep an open mind because there's a number of innovations out there. I'll be going to ICAST next week, and you can bet I'll be checking out all the latest reels. Last year, U.S. Reel introduced an innovative line level system that I found fascinating. And Pinnacle's selection is really amazing. They cover a very wide budget spectrum and have some really cool features not found on other reels.
I've always thought Shimano had excellent spinning reels, but last year's ICAST showing was a big disappointment. The only new thing they offered was a "kickstand" for spinning reels. That's not a slam on Shimano. But after they released the Core the year before at ICAST, I was expecting more from them.
I think last year's standout was Quantum's EXO series. They're incredibly lightweight - both rods and reels - and very smooth.
That said, the new ABU MGX reels were almost as light, and huge leap forward for Abu. I bought 7.
Looking forward to seeing what's new at ICAST this year!
thats half a months salary for me lol you my sir are my hero lol
A-Rob reply :
to each their own
I don't take offense
you can fish whatever you like/prefer and I'll do the same
*Hootie reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 11:11 PM, A-Rob said:to each their own
I don't take offense
you can fish whatever you like/prefer and I'll do the same
And thats the name of the game!
Hootie
Capt.Bob reply :
On 7/8/2012 at 10:57 PM, Glenn said:I've been an Abu user for 30+ years now, and have rarely had an issue. And when I have, I've not experienced any issues with getting parts or service. But I doubt that's any different from any other brand of reel out there. Properly used and maintained, any reel will last a lifetime.
Although I obviously like Abu, I enjoy checking out reels from other brands and even trying out a few. It's always good to keep an open mind because there's a number of innovations out there. I'll be going to ICAST next week, and you can bet I'll be checking out all the latest reels. Last year, U.S. Reel introduced an innovative line level system that I found fascinating. And Pinnacle's selection is really amazing. They cover a very wide budget spectrum and have some really cool features not found on other reels.
I've always thought Shimano had excellent spinning reels, but last year's ICAST showing was a big disappointment. The only new thing they offered was a "kickstand" for spinning reels. That's not a slam on Shimano. But after they released the Core the year before at ICAST, I was expecting more from them.
I think last year's standout was Quantum's EXO series. They're incredibly lightweight - both rods and reels - and very smooth.
That said, the new ABU MGX reels were almost as light, and huge leap forward for Abu. I bought 7.
Looking forward to seeing what's new at ICAST this year!
Sorry Glenn, but I am dissapointed that the Kick Stand was all you noticed, the last thing I care about, I threw mine in the box and will never get used, the X ship is another story, and soon you will see, ALL THE OTHER REEL MANUFACTURERS WILL DO A "ME TOO" thats on a spinning reel that already had no equal. !! I am considering selling 3 reels and replacing them with the new FJ and FG stradic and sustains. It is like Canon with Cameras, they are top on the list when it comes to new developments, they don't come up with all design first's,and high tech development, just most! If smooth silent and reliable mean little to some why would they buy a Shimano.
You should see bigger jumps from other manufacturers because they are trying to catch up. They had to improve a lot to equall the quality and weight and performance of the core, does that make Shimano bad because they were already made the way they were?? Sorry but it is common everywhere to hear whatever reel compared to a Stratic, or a Core, or a Curado, or a Calcutta. You can say what you want but in the fishing reel industry, 9 times out of 10 it the upper end Shimano reels are what all other big name manufacturers are compared to. At the risk of p!!$$!^& people off, ask yourself WHY!
Lets face it the G series is loosing ground, but those who use the CiticaE, and CuradoE,D,B,all know the new reels from all other manufacturers have started catching them. But the OLD CuradoE is hard to compare anything to made back when it was introduced. It is these two reels that I feel Shimano is downgrading for the higher end core and others, time will tell. But to be #1, you have to have more than one type of reel that you want all others judged by.
I have switched my Curados to Lews, but if I think I can find a better $150.00 real than the Tournament Pro, I'll use it. the point is not all Shimano owners are Shimano owner because of a name, I will own whatever the best bang for the buck is regardless who else owns them, just happens I feel most models are Shimanos!
0119 reply :
Absolutely they are the benchmark others in the U.S. market are compared to. Why? Technology. In the JDM Daiwa is light years ahead of them and stand as the benchmark. Especially those from the Evergreen and MegaBass ProShops. Again why? Technology. But just how much technology do you need to catch a dink bass? Heck a fraction of that technology isnt even needed to catch serious fish that can kick your butt. The typical bass angler is dragging a bass across the surface with a mindset to avoid a fight. Or worse yet, a typical modern male cries if he's holding 8oz of reel in his hand...its too heavy. Daiwa has even acknowledged that the technology comes with a price of less durability and longevity.
iabass8 reply :
Actually diawa had its own version of xship first. Even though i only fish shimano with a few pfleugers and diawas, there is an abundence of shimano pushing for more of their mid tier reels when companies now are putting out comparable products.
Goose52 reply :
My mind is just racing with all the points and counterpoints that I could type out. As many of you know, I'm a "value" angler and could debate from that viewpoint.
BUT, instead of spending a lot of time on the debate going on in this thread, I guess I just have one thing to say:
Since this thread started, I've been fishing 4 times and have caught 20 bass.
Just fish............
iabass8 reply :
Xship is a double bearing supported pinion. Diawa has had this on ther higher ends reels for a long time.
j.bruno reply :
Ok before i start a new topic ... While we are on the shimano thing... Why does my Citica 201e on a Medium Action 7ft carrot stick Moderate Tip, cast FARTHER than my Curado 201e7 on a 7ft medium action vendetta with fast tip? Same line on both. BPS 12lb Mono Figure id just ask here instead of making a new topic! Serious question by the way.
BASSclary reply :
On 7/9/2012 at 1:13 AM, j.bruno said:Ok before i start a new topic ... While we are on the shimano thing... Why does my Citica 201e on a Medium Action 7ft carrot stick Moderate Tip, cast FARTHER than my Curado 201e7 on a 7ft medium action vendetta with fast tip? Same line on both. BPS 12lb Mono Figure id just ask here instead of making a new topic! Serious question by the way.
Moderate rods load up better for longer casts.
tomustang reply :
On 7/9/2012 at 1:13 AM, j.bruno said:Ok before i start a new topic ... While we are on the shimano thing... Why does my Citica 201e on a Medium Action 7ft carrot stick Moderate Tip, cast FARTHER than my Curado 201e7 on a 7ft medium action vendetta with fast tip? Same line on both. BPS 12lb Mono Figure id just ask here instead of making a new topic! Serious question by the way.
Because you're getting a better load from the rod.
Now back to the so many hardcore shimano users, which I'm not seeing many.
j.bruno reply :
Thanks guys that makes sense. Im just a part time bass fisherman. Full time duck hunter though!
tomustang reply :
On 7/9/2012 at 1:01 AM, Goose52 said:BUT, instead of spending a lot of time on the debate going on in this thread, I guess I just have one thing to say:Since this thread started, I've been fishing 4 times and have caught 20 bass.
Just fish............
Since no one can fish 24/7, forums are a great place to talk about fishing when you can't. I believe I can speak for almost everyone that all would rather go out fishing than to argue/comment on the forum. But going out isn't possible all the time. Sorry but I feel the 'just fish' line is an excuse to not answer, low blow to people that can't fish all the time or for those can't fish enough.
Basswhippa reply :
On 7/9/2012 at 1:13 AM, j.bruno said:Ok before i start a new topic ... While we are on the shimano thing... Why does my Citica 201e on a Medium Action 7ft carrot stick Moderate Tip, cast FARTHER than my Curado 201e7 on a 7ft medium action vendetta with fast tip? Same line on both. BPS 12lb Mono Figure id just ask here instead of making a new topic! Serious question by the way.
If you had the exact same rods and wiped out that variable the result would be what you are experiencing. The answer to your question is that spool SHIMANO chose to use for the Curado is lighter than the Citica spool. While that allows for tossing tiny light weight lures, it is a detriment to long distance casting due to simple physics. Heavier spools have more mass which is harder to get going, and requires a heavier lure, but once going, it is not going to stop as soon as a lighter spool. If you want, you can swap the spools out and change the properties of both reels. Or pick up the phone, call SHIMANO and have whichever you prefer shipped to your door by the end of the week. Additionally I'm pretty sure you can get a brass Tekota bearing for $1.00, replace the plastic bushing on the Citica drive shaft, and have something that is comparable to your Curado E or todays $200 Chronarch. Apparently the brass is just as smooth as the ball bearing in that placement and has no maintenance, save a tiny bit of oil now and again. If you want to make it a 7.0 or 5.0 reel, just order it. Again, the beauty of SHIMANO.
Capt.Bob reply :
I thought you could fish when you wanted, just can't play video games or surf on a computer, at the same time. I just prefer the computer on the weekends, forget the weekend warrior crowd, I'll fish when the temp drops below 105 and there are fewer %^&$%^* on the water. Besides this 105 degree crap is takin its toll. This week is goina be great though, now if we could just get some rain!!!!!!
After 25 years of chartering, those who haven't been there, but done that, and know more than you, it's nice to fish when it's convenient, as it is just for fun now! 
Glenn reply :
On 7/9/2012 at 12:01 AM, Capt.Bob said:Sorry Glenn, but I am dissapointed that the Kick Stand was all you noticed...
Noticed??? Seriously? I don't go to ICAST to "notice" something. I let the manufacturers show ME what they want to showcase.
I went to their booth and asked them to show me what they're introducing to the freshwater anglers this year. The video is what they showed me...a kickstand. Sure X Ship was new to Shimano, but not the industry. You said Shimano sets the standard for others to follow, but while other manufacturers were offering lighter rods and reels using innovative processes and materials, a kickstand was all Shimano had to offer for freshwater anglers. Quite frankly, I don't see other manufacturers scrambling to add kickstands to their reels any time soon.
But AGAIN - it's not a slam on Shimano, so don't get all upset and defensive with me. They just chose to focus on the saltwater market last year, that's all. I'm sure they'll have some cool new stuff for freshwater anglers this year. 2 years ago, they did it with the Core, so perhaps they'll do something equally as cool this year.
LgMouthGambler reply :
Nonsense poopie pants! LOLOn 7/8/2012 at 8:45 PM, hootiebenji said:I gotta say, this is getting crazy.
Hootie
Goose52 reply :
On 7/9/2012 at 1:38 AM, Tom D. said:On 7/9/2012 at 1:01 AM, Goose52 said:My mind is just racing with all the points and counterpoints that I could type out. As many of you know, I'm a "value" angler and could debate from that viewpoint.
BUT, instead of spending a lot of time on the debate going on in this thread, I guess I just have one thing to say:
Since this thread started, I've been fishing 4 times and have caught 20 bass.
Just fish............
Since no one can fish 24/7, forums are a great place to talk about fishing when you can't. I believe I can speak for almost everyone that all would rather go out fishing than to argue/comment on the forum. But going out isn't possible all the time. Sorry but I feel the 'just fish' line is an excuse to not answer, low blow to people that can't fish all the time or for those can't fish enough.
Sorry you feel that way Tom. I have a feeling that you missed my drift though. I think discussion forums are (usually) great venues to exchange information and have rational discussion. I am registered on quite a few forums involving different hobbies/interests. My post was related to this particular thread. We have these type of reel threads several times a year. Most reduce down to testosterone-fueled statements that mine is better (bigger) than yours. They usually are short on facts, are full of subjective opinion, they provide little worthwhile information, and they rarely, if ever, change anyone's minds. They often get substantial "views"...but mostly for the entertainment value I expect.
As for my comment being an excuse not to answer, you truncated my comment whey you quoted it. I said that my mind was racing with thoughts. However, to properly capture those thoughts and provide a worthwhiile contribution to the thread would require at least an hour, perhaps more, to review all the previous comments, determine whether I agree or disagree, formulate responses accordingly, perhaps do some fact checking, type and proof-read a response, then post. I made the decision that my time would be better spent elsewhere (fishing), as even a well-reasoned response would not, at the end of the day, really accomplish anything. OTOH, I'm don't mind putting time into posts that I think might actually provide value to the members at large - as my recent 1,371 word post on the PQ 5-Year Challenge demonstrates.
As far as me being able to fish several times a day if I want to, I worked for 40 years to earn a retirement that gives me that ability - I'm certainly not going to apologize for that.
Lastly, perhaps a missed point to "just fish..." is that we have TOO much debate on the board about things that, at the end of the day, do nothing to improve angling success. Much ado about nothing. Just fish....
PS - I will be fishing this evening too and hopefully can get a few more bass... 
clayton86 reply :
man this thread is providing so much entertainment on my day off. Lets all agree to disagree, I will fish my reels 2 of which are shimanos(Citica, old Sedona(broken but still works)) even though im a Abu fan. So whose ready for iCAST next week anything any ones anxious to see this year like the new Revo line up or new ragetail baits.
SirSnookalot reply :
On 7/9/2012 at 12:21 AM, 119 said:Absolutely they are the benchmark others in the U.S. market are compared to. Why? Technology. In the JDM Daiwa is light years ahead of them and stand as the benchmark. Especially those from the Evergreen and MegaBass ProShops. Again why? Technology. But just how much technology do you need to catch a dink bass? Heck a fraction of that technology isnt even needed to catch serious fish that can kick your butt. The typical bass angler is dragging a bass across the surface with a mindset to avoid a fight. Or worse yet, a typical modern male cries if he's holding 8oz of reel in his hand...its too heavy. Daiwa has even acknowledged that the technology comes with a price of less durability and longevity.
I didn't say this...............but I agree with it. I've got $29 shakephere's and abu's that not only have caught 100's of bass for years, they are as smooth as the day they were bought, never suffering any kind of failure and basically made out of plastic. IMO you just don't need all that much to pull in a bass or perch, I really have no need for superior technology for something I can handle with ease. Before I get bashed I fish bass because it's fun, no other reason and for the record supremes fit my bill for my freshwater target.
I've also been fishing everyday, I've been catching 50" barracuda and a 43" also, snook maybe 20-25#, several commonplace 10 pounders and don't think for second these fish come in easy, you don't tail drag these puppies in. Have i used shiman, yeps a stradic for the snook, but my cudas are caught on a Plueger 18 oz medalist (has less drag than the 4000 stradic). Bottom line, it doesn't make a difference what you are using, bigger fish are landed on talent, not gear. Just saying, my medalist is older than my stradics and it's in better shape too.
Glenn reply :
Ok, several members have essentially expressed how annoyed they are with this thread, and how seemingly pointless it is. So it's time to say "G'Night Irene"
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