Sudden-expertism 2024

flechero reply :

Seems like we've had a population explosion of experts at BR!! Maybe I have learned less than I thought over the past 25 years. :-/ I'm amazed at how many people went from novice to sudden expert in some cases just a few short months (or a few hundred posts). I'm learning lots of new "facts" about guides, cork, blank power and action, rod design and all sorts of other rod and reel related info..... it's like starting over!

In all seriousness, I feel bad for those who are just starting out and look to us for info... much of the advice lately has been poor. Somewhere between price and preference, many people have lost the ability to suggest based on an original poster's needs.

Sorry for the rant, it's been bugging me for a while.

I figured that since it was rod/reel related, I'd post in this forum. (although there is a perfect, topic based, Mod opportunity, left wide open) ...lol

burleytog reply :

The sad thing is those who need this one the most won't apply it in the correct manner. :-X

dave reply :

This one has potential.

flechero reply :

The intent is not to call anyone out. I purposely did not mention any specific threads or people...

at most it's a subtle reminder to be mindful of the question asked or consider the needs of the original poster over our own bias.

Alpster reply :

I have tried to make a commitment to the following....

Tackle - If it's not in my box, no opinion, only questions

Rod/reels/lines - If I never owned/fished it, no opinion, only questions

Techniques - If I am not real good at it, I am limited to questions only

Boats/Lakes/Girls/Elephant breeding, etc. - It's OK if I am ignorant about it. I am thankful for the REAL experts in these areas.

I hope this is a positive response.

Ronnie

roadwarrior reply :

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I have tried to make a commitment to the following....
Tackle - If it's not in my box, no opinion, only questions

Rod/reels/lines - If I never owned/fished it, no opinion, only questions

Techniques - If I am not real good at it, I am limited to questions only

Boats/Lakes/Girls/Elephant breeding, etc. - It's OK if I am ignorant about it. I am thankful for the REAL experts in these areas.

I hope this is a positive response.

Ronnie

Not only "positive", but EXCELLENT!

8-)

dodgeguy reply :

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I have tried to make a commitment to the following....
Tackle - If it's not in my box, no opinion, only questions

Rod/reels/lines - If I never owned/fished it, no opinion, only questions

Techniques - If I am not real good at it, I am limited to questions only

Boats/Lakes/Girls/Elephant breeding, etc. - It's OK if I am ignorant about it. I am thankful for the REAL experts in these areas.

I hope this is a positive responce.

Ronnie

right on.i hate people who knock products they have never used.you should at least borrow a friends and fish with it before you form an opinion.

Zel... reply :

I'm curious, could you provide some examples where you deem advice is bad? And also explain why the advice was bad, as a public service to us all. The post was about as subtle a reminder as a sledgehammer to the temple, and should be explained further.

Good point though about thinking first about the posters needs before interjecting opinions, but you can't change human nature.

It is hard to police or regulate public "opinion." This is a free and public forum. And free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it. Any poster should take responsibility for their own actions if they decide to act upon any free advice given to them. I think any poster with just a little common sense, after reading several posts in any related topics, can ascertain who are the real experts here.

Maybe we should have a new mod The Expert Police. They can interject and shoot down any posts deemed bad advice. (I don't really think we should have it, I'm just keeping in tone and sarcasm with the first two paragraphs of the post that started this).

Rob G. reply :

I agree that speculation or heresay is not advise. However, I do believe that it is entirely possible that someone new to the site, could and already have rendered some good advise. Most of the time, advise and opinion are one in the same. Let's just hope that opinion is based upon personal experience.

WIII-60 reply :

Alpster, I don't know anything about breeding elephants, but can offer plenty of poor advice. PM me if interested.

sal669 reply :

Dully noted... Great post !

On the other side, beeing a new BR member doesn't mean "novice fisherman".

I will specify in the future if the post is "my opinion" or "my experience" , and you guys judge if it 's worth taking in consideration.

Tight lines

senile1 reply :

Good thread, flechero. And some good points by Alpster, Zel, and sal669. When you get over 12,000 members you have a small city with all of the personalities that entails. In a city of 12,000 you usually have all kinds from felons to executives, sinners to saints. As membership increases the number of good advice and bad advice will increase. We all will have to sift through more bad advice to get to the good. It just goes with the territory.

Alpster, PM me if you need some assistance with your elephants.

YakAttack reply :

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Alpster, PM me if you need some assistance with your elephants.

;D ;D ;D

islandbass reply :

Being one who has always been regarded as slow in seeing things, I believe generic examples of this bad advice would be helpful for those who give it and are not aware. Ignorance is bliss, or is it?

By this expert advice, do we mean Some one asks for opinions about reels A and B but someone recommends reel C? If so, I can understand the point of the thread. I do my best to answer questions based on what is asked.

If I have offended anyone, I apologize. I try to give opinions based on things that I have used. For example, I would never recommend a Calcutta because I have never used one, let alone held one, but I would provide positive feedback on a Curado D, Trion LP, or a Cardiff A, because I have these reels and like them.

I agree that public opinion would be tough to "regulate" but perhaps it would be easier to provide or limit the opinion to address the inquiry(ies) of the person who initiated the thread.

Pencil Pusher reply :

O.K. here goes. I have been a registered member of this site for two years and yet I have only made 78 (this makes 79) posts, but I have read a lot of the posts and discussions. Unlike some members, I just don't see the need to make a post on every discussion just to run the numbers up. Am an expert? I don't consider myself expert even though I have been fishing including bass fishing for longer than a good number of the members of this site have been alive: right at 60 years. My grandfather started me at age 7 with a knuckle buster bait cast on an old steel rod and I am still learning new techniques, e.g. drop shot and shakey head.

I only post when I think I have something useful to add. I don't post just because I don't agree with someone (unless I truly feel or know for a fact that the post is false).

I have arrived at some conclusions about the "expertism" demonstrated here. A lot of credence is given to advice, opinion, etc, based upon the number of posts a given member has made. I have read enough posts to conclude that there some members with high numbers that I just plain ignore but a newer member may accept because of the number of posts. Members with a low number of posts seem to get "called out" for their opinions much more often than those with higher numbers of posts. Just because some one has a high number of posts does not make them an expert.

There is one poster on here that six months ago didn't know a rod from a reel. Since then he has averaged about 8 or 9 posts a day and now weighs in with advice on everthing.

Opinions are like noses, everyody has one and they're all different. That's what 95% of what you get on any web forum; opinions.

sal669 reply :

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Alpster, PM me if you need some assistance with your elephants.

...that would be "opinion" or "first hand experience" ???

;D ;D ;D

senile1 reply :

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Alpster, PM me if you need some assistance with your elephants.

...that would be "opinion" or "first hand experience" ???

;D ;D ;D

I'll never tell. It would ruin my reputation as an elephant expert. Isn't that what the web is for . . . . . to portray yourself as an expert when you aren't?

BTW, Pencil Pusher, that was a good post.

cart7t reply :

What's an expert?

Catt reply :

I give information based on my 44 years personal experience fishing both salt water and bass fishing. If I give information on building some thing or how something is built it's from 44 years as a Carpenter and 15 years as a Manufacturing Engineer in the Aerospace industry. If I give information on cars, trucks, or boats it's from 8 years as a Certified Mechanic; while I haven't owned every boat made I bet I have a close friend who has one and I both driven and fished out it on man occasion.

Does this make me an expert? Nope

roadwarrior reply :

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I give information based on my 44 years personal experience fishing both salt water and bass fishing. If I give information on building some thing or how something is built it's from 44 years as a Carpenter and 15 years as a Manufacturing Engineer in the Aerospace industry. If I give information on cars, trucks, or boats it's from 8 years as a Certified Mechanic; while I haven't owned every boat made I bet I have a close friend who has one and I both driven and fished out it on man occasion.
Does this make me an expert? Nope

When you have some advice, we're all listening... 8-)

ILfisherman reply :

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I have tried to make a commitment to the following....
Tackle - If it's not in my box, no opinion, only questions

Rod/reels/lines - If I never owned/fished it, no opinion, only questions

Techniques - If I am not real good at it, I am limited to questions only

Boats/Lakes/Girls/Elephant breeding, etc. - It's OK if I am ignorant about it. I am thankful for the REAL experts in these areas.

I hope this is a positive response.

Ronnie

Same here, I would never give advice or place judgement on gear that I DON'T own.

surfer reply :

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There is one poster on here that six months ago didn't know a rod from a reel. Since then he has averaged about 8 or 9 posts a day and now weighs in with advice on everthing.

I had to go check how many posts I make. That sounds like me. I do my best to follow Alpsters rules and only post on what I have first hand knowledge of. If it is not first hand knowledge I try to make that clear in my post. As for how often I post... I am excited to be here.

P.S. PM me if its me.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

PM SENT!! >

;D ;Dj/k ;D ;D

It's not you, this is merely a stirring of the pot which, quite frankly, is becoming rather redundant, annoying, and pointless. If there is an issue with the advice someone is giving, either DON'T READ IT,....or ....offer YOUR opinion,....or,....just leave it alone and realize you are on the internet.

I mean Honestly, there is a certain amount of "take what you hear with a grain of salt" to this forum board stuff, if that's so surprising, maybe you should stick to magazines.

moby bass reply :

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What's an expert?

"X" = unknown quantity

"spurt" = drip under pressure ;D

scbassin reply :

Well said Pencil Pusher

sal669 reply :

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What's an expert?

"X" = unknown quantity

"spurt" = drip under pressure ;D

I got it : "unknown quantity dripped under presure" :

Am I good or what? ;D ;D

skillet reply :

Pencil Pusher it seriously was a good post on the subject at hand except for 1 thing. I joined this Board to interact with other bass fishermen (and women) and most others did to. If the people that post regularly only posted 79 times a year there wouldn't be much interaction IMHO ...

As Ever,

skillet

BTW Even in "real life" most folks have to be taken with at

least a grain of salt...

flechero reply :

Zel,

I won't cite specific posts, people or threads. It wasn't actually directed at anyone, just a general trend that seems to be on the rise. Something I have noticed for a while and a few friends who lurk only have also mentioned this as a reason they are visiting less.

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this is merely a stirring of the pot which, quite frankly, is becoming rather redundant, annoying, and pointless. If there is an issue with the advice someone is giving, either DON'T READ IT,....or ....offer YOUR opinion,....or,....just leave it alone and realize you are on the internet.

Wow, you completely missed the point. I could be doing other things than just trying to irritate 10,000 people... 9,980 of which I don't know. If no one cared because "it's the internet" this place would be no better than that place nwga ended up. Sad.

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I mean Honestly, there is a certain amount of "take what you hear with a grain of salt" to this forum board stuff, if that's so surprising, maybe you should stick to magazines.

So this place is no better than bassmaster? I'm surprised that you, as a mod, would say that. Or was that a polite way of saying I'm welcome to leave? My whole point is that the reason this place is touted as the bast bass fishing site is that there didn't used to be so much of the "typical" forum behavior.

I didn't say this place was bad, or even close to that... just a trend of "sudden expertism" seemed to be on the rise.

BR is still the best, IMO, but the mile wide margin has closed a few feet. I'm sorry if that steps on a few toes. :-/

Just_Old_Fisherman reply :

It is my opinion, not my experience, that you should not stand behind an elephant if he raises his tail. Even though I have no experience in this area I do feel there is great value in my opinion on this. If you do not value my opinion, please find an elephant and stand back there when he raises his tail.

Tin reply :

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There is one poster on here that six months ago didn't know a rod from a reel. Since then he has averaged about 8 or 9 posts a day and now weighs in with advice on everthing.

I have been here 191 days or a little over 6 months and I average 8.96 posts a day. But I'am pretty sure I knew a rod from a reel : Sorry lol

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

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So this place is no better than bassmaster? I'm surprised that you, as a mod, would say that.

I didn't, you did.

The point in there is that you will not agree with everything here. If you do, then you are naive. This place is far better than a magazine but a magazine doesn't let JUST ANYONE write their articles like it is with threads on a forum board. You know me better than to think I would LESSEN the standard of Glenn's house. You know Glenn better than to think he would let me.

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My whole point is that the reason this place is touted as the bast bass fishing site is that there didn't used to be so much of the "typical" forum behavior.

I personally don't see any noticeable difference in the info here. Waaaay too many guys here that really do know their stuff and they are quick to politely explain things properly. I always have, and still do, consider you to be one of those people.

If there is a specific fact that you feel is misleading a member, PM him with your opinion on the topic or post it for all to learn from.

Take rods for example. I can only comment on what I know. YOU are the guy that says forget brands,...you need a mh, 6'6",..blah bl;ah blah, and why. A WAAAAY better answer than mine would ever be. But If I know sports authority has spidershafts for $40, and they fit what he's looking for, I'll recommend them, because I've used them for yrs.

I'm not attacking you but I just don't see the point to this unless it's just a rant which are usually labeled "rant" in the title.

(oops-edit- just read 1st thread,..."sorry to rant",lol...my mistake, apology accepted?)

smallfry reply :

I once heard that "an expert is anybody who is 50 miles from where they live". So unless some of you live within 50 miles of me, you can consider me an expert....

Seriously though, most people don't have the time and resources to fish all or even most of the options available to them. The lucky few who do hopefully give the comparative background and why they prefer one product over another when offering advice. If they don't give the background, I assume they fall into the following: Another person may recommend product A because it is the only one he uses, has no problems, and he keeps using it. They've never, or at least not recently, used product B, C, or D. Such a person might not be the best person for advice on product A vs. B, but it does at least provide some valid confidence in product A.

So, now for a feel good moment: "We're all special experts in our own way".... :

Infidel. reply :

Each member has a certain label under their name and each one is based on the number of posts that member has made. But if you look at the labels, not a single one references the knowledge or skill level of the fisherman or woman. I believe that the excellent BR staff has it set this way on purpose.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

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There is one poster on here that six months ago didn't know a rod from a reel. Since then he has averaged about 8 or 9 posts a day and now weighs in with advice on everthing.

I have been here 191 days or a little over 6 months and I average 8.96 posts a day. But I'am pretty sure I knew a rod from a reel : Sorry lol

Now if you could only figure out what to do with them,........lol

flechero reply :

It's obvious that what I was thinking, isn't making sense to some. This was a pretty innocent topic that lost traction.

Perhaps I tee'd it up wrong, perhaps it was something else.

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If there is a specific fact that you feel is misleading a member, PM him with your opinion on the topic or post it for all to learn from.

Probably best, as a group discussion on starting it off wright isn't working. It wasn't a rant though.

idiot1 reply :

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Seems like we've had a population explosion of experts at BR!! Maybe I have learned less than I thought over the past 25 years. :-/ I'm amazed at how many people went from novice to sudden expert in some cases just a few short months (or a few hundred posts). I'm learning lots of new "facts" about guides, cork, blank power and action, rod design and all sorts of other rod and reel related info..... it's like starting over!

Take this as you will, but what does post count have to do with whether someone is knowledgeable in an area or not?

Edit: I might be reading this wrong. If you mean people who come here who obviously don't know their you know what from a hole in the wall and becoming a self proclaimed "expert" within a few months, I'll give you that much.

If you're implying that post count means something besides they post a lot, you're sadly mistaken.

Tin reply :

Exactly what I thought, one of the people I think is the most intelligent on bass nature and biology doesn't even have 200 posts. What does number of posts matter? :-? :-X

Some people have opinions, some have experience, so are just bs artists. Its the internet...

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

Flech, no bad blood here, not at all, just so ya know Families have disagreements but they are still families.

cart7t reply :

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O.K. here goes. I have been a registered member of this site for two years and yet I have only made 78 (this makes 79) posts, but I have read a lot of the posts and discussions. Unlike some members, I just don't see the need to make a post on every discussion just to run the numbers up. Am an expert? I don't consider myself expert even though I have been fishing including bass fishing for longer than a good number of the members of this site have been alive: right at 60 years. My grandfather started me at age 7 with a knuckle buster bait cast on an old steel rod and I am still learning new techniques, e.g. drop shot and shakey head.
I only post when I think I have something useful to add. I don't post just because I don't agree with someone (unless I truly feel or know for a fact that the post is false).

I have arrived at some conclusions about the "expertism" demonstrated here. A lot of credence is given to advice, opinion, etc, based upon the number of posts a given member has made. I have read enough posts to conclude that there some members with high numbers that I just plain ignore but a newer member may accept because of the number of posts. Members with a low number of posts seem to get "called out" for their opinions much more often than those with higher numbers of posts. Just because some one has a high number of posts does not make them an expert.

There is one poster on here that six months ago didn't know a rod from a reel. Since then he has averaged about 8 or 9 posts a day and now weighs in with advice on everthing.

Opinions are like noses, everyody has one and they're all different. That's what 95% of what you get on any web forum; opinions.

Honestly, to presume that anyone here with a high post count is any more knowledgeable than someone without one is on them. To be quite fair, the reason many members with high post counts have them is because they spend time interacting with other members. I've had the great opportunity to meet and fish with several people here and that never would've happened had I just sat back and read posts and never interacted with others or posted.

Does that make me an expert?

I don't get involved in boat or tackle threads unless I have had knowledge of said equipment. I then try and offer the pros and cons of my experience with said equipment, technique, lake fished at, etc.

If I make an incorrect statement I expect to be called on it (and I have)

I'll also reciprocate. New Fishermen(women) have a lot more choices facing them than I had back when I started 30 + years ago. Back then it was Garcia reels and either a Lews Speedstick or a Fenwick if you had the cash. Todays new bass fishermen have such a wide variety of rods, reels and lures available to them I can imagine how confusing it is. The only way anyone will learn is to ask. If a new angler asks about a reel and a fishermen who owns one responds with advice, even if said responder has a low post count or has only owned the reel for a few months, I don't know how that's bad. He's giving his opinion. He's entitled.

Unless Glenn wants to post a list of BFR approved Experts at the top of the forum and give each one an official "BFR Seal of Approval Expert rating" I don't know how you can draw a line on just who can or can't give advice around here.

JMO opinion btw, by no means am I trying to imply I'm any sort of eggspurt.

Micro reply :

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Waaaay too many guys here that really do know their stuff and they are quick to politely explain things properly.

Some do. But this site could use more of that. Because, frankly, I think it's lacking somewhat.

Lot's of great fisherman on this site. I'm not one of them, but I'm competent, and I do know my heiny from a hole in the ground. And I've been fishing, successfully, far longer than I've been posting here.

There is a definite clique on this board. I've learned to tolerate it. I've even engaged it once or twice. But there is a feeling this site is the personal playground of a select group of members and every one else is a little less than just guests whose opinions hold less value.

Very few people personally know others on this board. I know there are some exceptions. But for the most part, we don't know each other personally. No one here knows anything about me except what I have decided to reveal on this board. No one knows where I've been, what I've done, my experiences, or my areas of expertise. That goes for most of us. Assuming we are the ultimate source of information on a subject is a quick way to learn a lesson in humility.

cart7t reply :

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Waaaay too many guys here that really do know their stuff and they are quick to politely explain things properly.

Some do. But this site could use more of that. Because, frankly, I think it's lacking somewhat.

Lot's of great fisherman on this site. I'm not one of them, but I'm competent, and I do know my heiny from a hole in the ground. And I've been fishing, successfully, far longer than I've been posting here.

There is a definite clique on this board. I've learned to tolerate it. I've even engaged it once or twice. But there is a feeling this site is the personal playground of a select group of members and every one else is a little less than just guests whose opinions hold less value.

Very few people personally know others on this board. I know there are some exceptions. But for the most part, we don't know each other personally. No one here knows anything about me except what I have decided to reveal on this board. No one knows where I've been, what I've done, my experiences, or my areas of expertise. That goes for most of us. Assuming we are the ultimate source of information on a subject is a quick way to learn a lesson in humility.

Honestly, I'm a member of other forums, not just fishing. Cliques, often form between members who become involved with one another outside the boundaries of the forum. In the case of this place, those that take the time to participate in forum fishing get togethers. There's no hiding behind a keyboard at those functions. People will see you for who and what you are. Once those friendships are born off the boards those that don't participate feel like they're not apart of it.

My advice. Any chance there's a forum get together that you can attend, attend it. You'll meet a lot of great people here. 8-)

Micro reply :

I'm not talking about a personal friendships or relationships that develope between board members.

Jeff H reply :

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I'm not talking about a personal friendships or relationships that develope between board members.

In any case, I agree with your opinion.

vicdotcom reply :

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Very few people personally know others on this board. I know there are some exceptions. But for the most part, we don't know each other personally.

Well you are certainly right about that. But what I think is great is that so many people (new posters and old) is that this forum brings together people in a major way.

This site, at lesat to me, is built as a place for people who LOVE to fish can get together and share ideas. People new to fishing, people who fished for a lifetime, or even people who fish professionally enjoy this place and come together because of their love for BASS FISHING

Where else can so many people who share a common interest come together. 15 years ago NOONE could have guessed that a place like this could exist.

So, at least to me, sure there are people posting who arent really experts, but its a place where people who love to fish can at least "try" to help others who love to fish. Even if the advice may not be the best, I still think its a great think that at least people are trying to help newbies with their love of fishing

Vic

KU_Bassmaster. reply :

I think I know why this thread originated .....

I saw muddy making a few posts in the Boating section about advanced trolling motor operation : The newbie he gave advice to is still out on the lake doing circles ... to the right of course

surfer reply :

I think the point is to keep the information on this great forum accurate and of the best caliber. I can commend that.

But in the same breath.

There are 12,000 members. If only the most experienced answer questions then you guys are gona be really busy. Are you sure you don't want some of us novices fielding a few when we can. I enjoy sharing what knowledge I can as much as you do.

(rehtorical, just sharing 2 view points)

And for god's sake if I lead someone astray please correct me.

PS this thread has gotten me to the 500 posts level. That's right, Senior Member. Now everyone must believe what I say. ;D

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

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I think I know why this thread originated .....
I saw muddy making a few posts in the Boating section about advanced trolling motor operation : The newbie he gave advice to is still out on the lake doing circles ... to the right of course

Classic

=Matt 5.0= reply :

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Exactly what I thought, one of the people I think is the most intelligent on bass nature and biology doesn't even have 200 posts.

Oh....for a split second I thought you were referring to moi....but I have too many posts.... :-[

Ballpark Frank reply :

How do you define experience? Number of years fishing although some only fished 12 days most of those years. Number of days fishing, but that was only on one stretch of water. I don't know but the original post could possible be about me, but I really don't care. Some days I am on the computer(at work) all day, and make several posts, some days none. I always post on something I know, or have EXPERIENCED. If not I state that "for me" or "in my opinion". If you do not want it , do not read it. If someone asks "What is the best baitcaster?", then the door is opened. If someone asks a question that could be answered by them going to page 2, then they open the door. How many times does someone ask about an Abu reel, only to have 6 replies telling them about Shimanos, even from moderators. How many times does someone ask about purchasing a G.Loomis/St.Croix, only to get replies that they would be wasting their money, get so and so. I really like one thread in this forum where a specific piece of gear was asked about. A replier with less numbers actually has the gear and voiced an opinion. Then a few posts down, another replier(with higher numbers) states that although they do not own the rod, their opinion is so and so(which mirrors the previous replier). The originator then thanks the guy without the equipment. Tell me number of posts doesn't mean anything to you guys, I say BULL.

Big T reply :

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How do you define experience? Number of years fishing although some only fished 12 days most of those years. Number of days fishing, but that was only on one stretch of water. I don't know but the original post could possible be about me, but I really don't care. Some days I am on the computer(at work) all day, and make several posts, some days none. I always post on something I know, or have EXPERIENCED. If not I state that "for me" or "in my opinion". If you do not want it , do not read it. If someone asks "What is the best baitcaster?", then the door is opened. If someone asks a question that could be answered by them going to page 2, then they open the door. How many times does someone ask about an Abu reel, only to have 6 replies telling them about Shimanos, even from moderators. How many times does someone ask about purchasing a G.Loomis/St.Croix, only to get replies that they would be wasting their money, get so and so. I really like one thread in this forum where a specific piece of gear was asked about. A replier with less numbers actually has the gear and voiced an opinion. Then a few posts down, another replier(with higher numbers) states that although they do not own the rod, their opinion is so and so(which mirrors the previous replier). The originator then thanks the guy without the equipment. Tell me number of posts doesn't mean anything to you guys, I say BULL.

I agree

fourbizz reply :

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Seems like we've had a population explosion of experts at BR!! Maybe I have learned less than I thought over the past 25 years. :-/ I'm amazed at how many people went from novice to sudden expert in some cases just a few short months (or a few hundred posts). I'm learning lots of new "facts" about guides, cork, blank power and action, rod design and all sorts of other rod and reel related info..... it's like starting over!
In all seriousness, I feel bad for those who are just starting out and look to us for info... much of the advice lately has been poor. Somewhere between price and preference, many people have lost the ability to suggest based on an original poster's needs.

Sorry for the rant, it's been bugging me for a while.

I figured that since it was rod/reel related, I'd post in this forum. (although there is a perfect, topic based, Mod opportunity, left wide open) ...lol

I understand the intent of this post. It was not what people have made it into.

One word describes what I think flech's intent was and anyone who has been around here for a couple of years will remember: GAMEOVER

I think that there is a GO apprentice running around the board these days too.

roadwarrior reply :

Now it's Tuesday, February 5, 2008

http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1202176309

senile1 reply :

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I think I know why this thread originated .....
I saw muddy making a few posts in the Boating section about advanced trolling motor operation : The newbie he gave advice to is still out on the lake doing circles ... to the right of course

Classic

That was classic, indeed.

Thanks for the reminder, RW. Repetition is a great learning tool.

guest reply :

Expertise and post count have nothing to do with eachother, if Al Linder came on ehere tommorw and his first post was informative, and to the point that would be just fine with me.

There is a lot of growth here, and many people are , IMO trying to show how much they know in an overkilling kind of way, it's like a great rookie basball player steppin up to the plate and swinging at everything Maybe this forum is changing and it will be a more knowledgable place, un suited for humor and such. Pehaps i just do not take all this as seriously as many do, There was a feeling that there was room for all of us, but lately this seems to be changing to a home for a more serious look at bass fsihing.

roadwarrior reply :

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Expertise and post count have nothing to do with eachother, if Al Linder came on ehere tommorw and his first post was informative, and to the point that would be just fine with me.
There is a lot of growth here, and many people are , IMO trying to show how much they know in an overkilling kind of way, it's like a great rookie basball player steppin up to the plate and swinging at everything Maybe this forum is changing and it will be a more knowledgable place, un suited for humor and such. Pehaps i just do not take all this as seriously as many do, There was a feeling that there was room for all of us, but lately this seems to be changing to a home for a more serious look at bass fsihing.

Nope.

Mostly it's just for fun!

If along the way there is also some useful information, educational or instructive posts and threads, then so much the better. I suggest everyone just lighten up a bit and chill. If you don't like a post or thread, move on. There is no obligation to read or respond on this board.

BTW,

There is PLENTY of room for more serious fishermen, too. Participate in the fun and games if you like, but many of our most respected members take a decidedly different approach. Funny or stern is not the same as good and bad.

8-)

guest reply :

Thanks RW , I can use that advise and insight.It is changing in tone somehat, I am not compalining , just saying what I feel is going on. I am not the one to stand in the way of change, no one is ever that important. Things are always in a constant state of change, some not as comfortable as others

Tpayneful reply :

I wanted to add that you don't want to stand behind an elephant at anytime becuase they walk in a line and you will get trampled

Ask me how I know ;D

guest reply :

Ok I'll bite How do you know that! Let's not hijack this thread. it's a lot of fellas talking some good stuff here though.

burleytog reply :

IMHO the source of the problem is obvious.

:-X

Maxximus Redneckus reply :

Well i know it all and anything worth knowing is all i know ;D

Grey Wolf reply :

"Say good- nite Irene!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tpayneful reply :

The first time I was in Zambia we came upon an elephant that was crossing the road. My driver stopped the car right behind the elephant so I could take a picture. I swung out of the car window "Bo and Luke Duke" style to get a picture. I was sitting on the car window sill and using the roof of the car to steady my 35mm Minolta. A second later my driver yelled something in some African dialect that I couldn't understand and started to pull forward. I looked behind me to see what was the matter and was face to face with one GIANT African elephant! When you are that close you can see the whites of their eyes My driver got us out of the way just in time. It wasn't one elephant but a line of elephants.

As far as the topic goes......I understand that some people give uninformed advice (probably me) at times but it is a free country and I like this place

roadwarrior reply :

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"Say good- nite Irene!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good night!

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