Am I being too critical ? Buying new electronics just because there is a new release ?
Buying the latest releases of fishing gear just to buy it ?
That's a personal thing.
I just replace equipment if it offers something that I want. not because it is new.
I've found myself slide down that slippery slope. What ends up happening is a horde of unused gear. I'm trying to tame myself but old habits die hard.
X2. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I have stuff I like, so I use it. I really like an old ProCaster... I still use it. I'll probably upgrade it soon, but I just like it.On 1/21/2015 at 11:14 PM, doyle8218 said:That's a personal thing.
I just replace equipment if it offers something that I want. not because it is new.
I think every hobby/sport has those kinds of folks. It's a matter of preference until it becomes a point of "status"
I ride in a road cycling club here in Central IN. There are always those couple of guys who've always got the latest $15K race Tour De France bike. One or two of them don't make much fuss about it, they just enjoy the technical aspect of having the newest technology available.
But then a couple of the will flat out look down their nose at you because your ride is 3yrs old and only cost $8K....yes...that's a thing. Those kinds are irritating. I love it when us "inferior" riders put em' in their place.
Am I a bit jealous?....probably....but I'm satisfied....LOL until I see my fishing buddy with a new Curado I....me with a G.....then I might have to get one and ask forgivness from the wife later.
On 1/21/2015 at 10:36 PM, cyclops2 said:Am I being too critical?
Buying the latest releases of fishing gear just to buy it ?
yes, yes you are
Sorry I was busy upgrading my phone from the one I got last week.....j/k If your electronics are already top of the line when you bought them last year and are just upgrading to upgrade is a bit over the top. If that's the reason, well you're going to need to upgrade before the end of summer because your unit will be obsolete again. Just like computers, electronics are always being upgraded to something newer. If you chase the shinny bells and whistles you're spending money just to spend it. But if that's what you want to do then by all means understand your doing it because you want the shinny new unit . But If you're upgrading to a nicer unit from years of fishing with a basic unit and haven't had one with that can do what the newer units can then your upgrade is an improvement. I basically believe if you're going to buy electronics for a boat, buy what you want the first time and fish it, and learn it. You will get more fishing time using a unit you know then spending that time trying to figure out that new one you just bought. But your choice. I'm not one that will stand in line each year for a new Iphone just because, but there are those that will. Doesn't matter what it is, some people want the new stuff just to have it.
I use it till its snaps!!!!!
I actually look forward to new stuff coming out so I can take advantage of the clearances.
On 1/22/2015 at 1:38 AM, lmbfisherman said:I actually look forward to new stuff coming out so I can take advantage of the clearances.
I'm with you. By design I'm a model or two behind at least. There'd have to be a real game changer innovation for me to purchase the newest model of most anything.
Finances don't allow it right now, but I want one of those Hummingbird 360 depth finders. If I fished bigger lakes more, I would have the largest screen GPS available. Driving down the lake, a big screen is easier to follow than a smaller screen is.
im with those who look for the deals on the previous models. tho ill likely splurge on a new model rod and reel or two this season
I usually use something until it is worn out and not worth fixing any longer. I keep up on what is out there and the new technology, but I don't run out to buy the latest thing.
Two of my rods in deck are 12 years old...one has a 12 year old calcutta on it...the other a curado i lol
I get what i want when i want it...my newest reels are a stradic ci4+ and a chronarch 51e that i got last month
I dont need the latest and greatest to be effective...
It depends on what it is, how serious you are and how out of date your's is. With some things, it is worth upgrading. For example, updating your electronics to models with GPS, Side and Down scan and a bigger screen is worth the money (to me.) Other things, like rods and reels, probably isn't worth it if yours are in good working condition.
I use to sample different reels and ended up selling them all off because they didn't quite do it for me. My next purchases were all reels I had full intent on keeping. They will be with me till they die. They fit my hand and style of Fishing the best, plus they're all great performers. When the new kid on the block comes around I usually wait a bit looking for some feedback before acquiring one. So in short I won't sell my current reels to get the latest and greatest, but if it's something I know I have to have its coming g home with me. Daiwa Alphas SV will be the 1st reel I buy with limited to none reviews available. I think it's gonna be a winner and I must have one to add to the collection.
On 1/21/2015 at 10:36 PM, cyclops2 said:Am I being too critical ? Buying new electronics just because there is a new release ?
Buying the latest releases of fishing gear just to buy it ?
I would like to answer your question with a question. Why do you care what other people do with their money?
On 1/22/2015 at 1:38 AM, lmbfisherman said:I actually look forward to new stuff coming out so I can take advantage of the clearances.
On 1/22/2015 at 3:17 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:I'm with you. By design I'm a model or two behind at least. There'd have to be a real game changer innovation for me to purchase the newest model of most anything.
^^^ this is me with everything i buy. fishing or non-fishing related purchases alike
I was thinking of an answer to your question Cy, but think this really is the best one.
On 1/22/2015 at 8:55 AM, aavery2 said:I would like to answer your question with a question. Why do you care what other people do with their money?
I love new models coming out. It means the stuff I've had my eye on cam now be bought at a discount.
I don't care about status or what others think. When I buy a new reel, it's because I want it. Maybe it's the looks, features, improvements, or whatever; but there's a reason I want it.
I say whatever you like. Some people will use gear until it doesn't work and isn't worth fixing, and some like me will try to stick with fairly new gear 1-2 years old.
My wife and I both grew up without money, and without luxuries. "We grew up in different homes, yes we do live in Tennessee" Just kidding
We both went to college and got degrees, we busted our butts to get where we are. We both have good careers, and neither of us have kids. Fishing gear is something we like to stay on top of with the newest gear, newest techniques, lines, kayaks, and paddles.
Our vehicles on the other hand are good vehicles and we tend to buy new, but keep many years after being paid off like my 03' truck, and 05' car. I do all my own maintenance on vehicles, and home so we find ways to save money.
I don't look down on anyone, I don't care what you use, or how much or how little it costs, all I care is that you are enjoying what you do. I say stay within a budget, and don't put your family at risk, and just enjoy being outdoors and on the water or bank whatever you prefer.
On 1/22/2015 at 7:05 AM, ColdSVT said:Two of my rods in deck are 12 years old...one has a 12 year old calcutta on it...the other a curado i lol
I get what i want when i want it...my newest reels are a stradic ci4+ and a chronarch 51e that i got last month
I dont need the latest and greatest to be effective...
Agreed. What I need and what I want, live in two different neighborhoods.
Hootie
You should allocate your money based on what gives you the most "utility". Having really nice fishing stuffs gives me a lot of "utility"
On 1/22/2015 at 7:31 PM, *Hootie said:Agreed. What I need and what I want, live in two different neighborhoods.
Hootie
The only reason that curado i is on the one rod is because my johnny morris rick clunn reel died after 11 years of service lol
And i plan on getting that reel fixed so i can return it to duty!
Like many I prefer to wait for new models to come out so I can buy my gear at a great discount. Or I buy used. Wish I had someone to fish with so I could try to impress them with my new gear.
In my particular case I'd have about 1/3rd my current gear (or less) if I lived in an area where fishing could be considered at least decent. As it is new gear is the only thing that keeps me going out. Most of the time I go to a local river. When there I am not fishing.....simply practicing my casting and trying new gear. Catching a fish is an unexpected bonus. One that could be considered a near miracle.
On 1/22/2015 at 10:10 PM, new2BC4bass said:Like many I prefer to wait for new models to come out so I can buy my gear at a great discount. Or I buy used. Wish I had someone to fish with so I could try to impress them with my new gear.
In my particular case I'd have about 1/3rd my current gear (or less) if I lived in an area where fishing could be considered at least decent. As it is new gear is the only thing that keeps me going out. Most of the time I go to a local river. When there I am not fishing.....simply practicing my casting and trying new gear. Catching a fish is an unexpected bonus. One that could be considered a near miracle.
I'm kind of the same way. Where I am, it's all about catfishing with zebcos and ugly stiks. I enjoy having nice new stuff just so I can go out and enjoy it for myself. It adds a little something extra.
Use and do what makes you happy, or what you have the most confidence in really.
I fish out of a slightly older bass boat that is 18' long with a 150. It works well for what I want it to do. If money weren't an issue I would have a 20 foot boat with a 250 but it does what I need it to do. It has the gen 2 lowrance hds units on it. I don't see a need (yet) to upgrade that technology. Those units show me everything I need to see. It really just comes down to a personal judgement for me if I feel that the newer product/technology is significant enough to justify a new purchase.
I use higher end rods by no means the most expensive because that is important to me. I use high end line because that is important, and I use high end lures because that is important in my confidence. My baitcast and spinning reels are mid-range because I don't feel there is enough increase in the product itself to upgrade them. If a new amazing reel came out that was incredibly comfortable, I would consider selling off some old reels, but as of now, everything seems about par with what was out say, 8-9 years ago.
Hope this makes a little sense.
Im good with my 25+ abus rods a diff story
I am an opportunist. So if I see it, like, and it's on sale, I might jump on it. Otherwise, I keep my eyes open for last years latest greatest gear clearenced out. There are some exceptions, if it is a set price piece of equipment I want, I save my money and wait.
I can understand an enthusiast wanting the latest gear, I more enthused about catching fish. I may buy something on a whim but for the most part I'm pretty content with what I have.
Planned obsolescence.
Used by manufacturers to have you buy up to the next generation of products.
What you have now was once the "best and greatest" ever made.
Now you need to upgrade to have the "best and greatest" ever made.
Marketing ploy that some companies take to the extreme by no longer supporting the older products.
Need to look for an example? Try L O W R A N C E.
On 1/22/2015 at 1:38 AM, lmbfisherman said:I actually look forward to new stuff coming out so I can take advantage of the clearances.
Same for me. I can think of only one rod in my lineup that was purchased at MSRP, I will either wait for a big clearance or sale. The only high end reels that interest me are those strictly from Japan, but that is more for a '2nd kind of cool' factor.
As for electronics, I think I would only upgrade for a larger screen or feature not found on my finders (SI/360/Structure Scan/etc.).
I'm a brand name kind of person, and that's how I was raised. We didn't have anything, off brand. That's one of the things about my childhood I wish I didn't carry today. The mentality that you have to have the newest and best. Unfortunately I still carry my roots lol I just bought a Hudd gill today and had waited til 12pm to order. I don't know why? I dont need that right now, but man they look GREAT!!
I look for value, not just meaning a good deal, but also stuff that will give me the most return for my money. Ive kept my bantams, calcuttas and c3s for over a decade in good condition and then finally realized the performance gap from old to new was tremendous. It was time to upgrade. It's not necessarily brand name, but the brands track record for durability, parts availability and hopefully one day resale value are what I look for.
Also, I try to find the close out models and get them cheaper then msrp.
no wife, no kids, no drinking habit...go for it
I'm one of those guys who think it's borderline insane to have the latest and "greatest" all the time. I'm finally at a time in my life when I can afford nice things and to travel some and I'm sick and tired of hearing, "geez, it must be nice" from guys who have wasted their money their entire lives on stupid new products that they didn't need, and who simply can't afford to travel or buy a new pickup or boat because they've never made a single sacrifice in their life.
Most of the stuff in my boat is at least 5 or 6 years old and many of my rod/reel combos are far older than that, though I'll admit to having made a fairly serious commitment to upgrading some stuff this year. I've added a new boat, new sonar and equipment last year and I've already added 6 new rod/reel outfits this winter and all of them are a bit higher quality than what I'm used to. I suspect that I'll see a substantial jump in productivity and effectiveness in this new equipment because it's substantially better than the stuff I had been using. Many of the guys who replace gear every single year as the new models are announced probably see little, if any, improvement in function.
I have a thing for JDM reels.. Hmm maybe a tws version of the Z2020 Daiwa.I will buy US market reels too.. While waiting I bought a lews team lite and trying to find a daiwa zillion tws 9:1 in stock somewhere.
None of my stuff is the latest or newest. I just buy stuff that I want. Which in the world of fishing is way too much. I'm a one of those who say you can't take it with you. My bills are current and if I die tomorrow I'll of went out happy. Okay that's a lie. It's winter and I wouldn't of been fishing.
Been away for bad health conditions. Heart & blockages.
So now I am active. Money is no object !!
I told the surgeon. Put in the best Medicare has !! He did. 6 stints. Pacemaker. Defibrulator with 2 levels of shocking my heart to pump again.
New Honda Accord.
Same great wife of 50 years. Life is good in my 1985 Lowe & 1988 Evinrude.
On 1/22/2015 at 1:38 AM, lmbfisherman said:deleted
i-pilot is a must
New, it is called "Planned Obsolescence."
Started in the auto industry back in the 50's and has been expanded to all industries, even the food industry.
"New and Improved" has a federal government FDA definition for food items. Not much change is necessary to use the term so it is thrown around by the manufacturers. This is also done when the amount in the package is reduced so consumers will not notice the shrinkage.
Fishing industry companies always want something that is "New or Improved" to hook us.
Change the color of the reel; put holes in the handles and reduce the weight by a 100th of an ounce; add stronger brakes; add a bearing for no real reason; make a manufacturing change to your favorite line formula, no matter how small with no impact; add scent to plastics; or do something or introduce a new model, type, or color to get us to take the bait.
Check out the past ICAST web pages for the new items being introduced each year.
Do we really need them? Of course not. But the Bait Monkey is hungry and we want to feed him. We want to have that new reel and take it home and play with it. We want to take that new crankbait out of the box and feel it. We want to expand our terminal tackle with a new profile weight.
In other words, we become our prey and we take the bait!!!!
No go to your favorite tackle shop and buy something!!!!!
I have been retired for over 20 years and everything I own is from family gift cards blessings and big sales. I still have my first three nice reels, Curado 100B's from 13 years ago. They really take care of the old soldier.
On 1/21/2015 at 10:36 PM, cyclops2 said:Am I being too critical ? Buying new electronics just because there is a new release ?
Buying the latest releases of fishing gear just to buy it ?
Yes you are being too critical, but you have a right to be as critical or not critical as you like, just like everyone has the right to spend their hard earned (or not hard earned) money on anything they like. I've personally being involved in sporting goods retailing for a long time, so I see the man behind the curtain, and the sausage making. Most of my equipment (fishing, cycling. tennis and softball mostly) is tried and true. I check out the latest and greatest, and only every so often do I find something that makes me think "I gotta get that ASAP". But when someone walks into the shop, they are buying something cause that's how I make a living.
Fishing is something that I have grown to love. It's a passion for me. I enjoy being outdoors and around nature. It can be as cheap or costly as you want. To each their own.
I started with zebco to ugly stick to fenwick and now to St Croix. The fish don't care, but I feel the difference and I am willing to pay for it. Not necessarily the latest greatest but there is something to be said for quality. There are lots of quality bang for your buck products out there too.
My upgrading has also been more of a fine tuning to the techniques I prefer to fish. Right tool for the job so to speak.
I fish from the bank, no boat. Maybe a kayak someday
Latest and greatest is a scam. I love high end gear but just because there is a newer model does not make it better. My mid 2000 sol, fuego''s are just two examples. I look for the older models now half their original msrp. The original megabass slant bridge white python is considered by most the best version they ever made. Can't find one so I got the c-40 model which I still think is fantastic. I enjoy nice gear but I feEl the latest is not always the greatest and that idea is marketing working against your common sense.
On 1/21/2015 at 11:30 PM, Preytorien said:
I ride in a road cycling club here in Central IN. There are always those couple of guys who've always got the latest $15K race Tour De France bike. One or two of them don't make much fuss about it, they just enjoy the technical aspect of having the newest technology available.
But then a couple of the will flat out look down their nose at you because your ride is 3yrs old and only cost $8K....yes...that's a thing. Those kinds are irritating. I love it when us "inferior" riders put em' in their place.
I know the type well. I still ride my Italian steel road bike with 8 speed down tube shifters from the mid 90s. The group I ride with know, but every so often a couple of guys with Dogmas or other insanely above top of the line bikes show up, and give me the "oh poor you" looks before the ride starts, not so much after. The funny thing is we are one of the largest bike dealers in the North East, I can make a phone call and be riding the latest and greatest for between free and cost, I just choose not to.
I now find that everything is needlessly computerized. Just to say it is more reliable. A computerized Safety Pin !! I kid you not. I saw a electronics show about molecular motors And devices.
I guess they will be selling computerized toilet paper soon.
On 1/21/2015 at 11:30 PM, Preytorien said:I think every hobby/sport has those kinds of folks. It's a matter of preference until it becomes a point of "status"
I ride in a road cycling club here in Central IN. There are always those couple of guys who've always got the latest $15K race Tour De France bike. One or two of them don't make much fuss about it, they just enjoy the technical aspect of having the newest technology available.
But then a couple of the will flat out look down their nose at you because your ride is 3yrs old and only cost $8K....yes...that's a thing. Those kinds are irritating. I love it when us "inferior" riders put em' in their place.
Am I a bit jealous?....probably....but I'm satisfied....LOL until I see my fishing buddy with a new Curado I....me with a G.....then I might have to get one and ask forgivness from the wife later.
Road cyclists are the absolute worst on that for sure. I have similar experiences but i don't ride with a club. Nothing better than running into those types on a ride and they ask if they can ride along for a while and when they are in the front you can tell they are working hard but when it is your turn you turn it up even more
I have some new stuff,But actually prefer older reels.
I'm a big fan of older Japanese made Shimano spinning reels.
Symetres,Sidestabs and Stradics
On 5/21/2018 at 9:21 AM, flyfisher said:Road cyclists are the absolute worst on that for sure. I have similar experiences but i don't ride with a club. Nothing better than running into those types on a ride and they ask if they can ride along for a while and when they are in the front you can tell they are working hard but when it is your turn you turn it up even more
Yes I too have run into such people. My road bike is so old it only has 6 gears on the cog, old school cantilever brakes and the clicking latches and treads on my mid end blue sidi dominator shoes have broken off due to being too old, lol.
There was was nothing sweeter than smoking them on a ride and it’s even sweeter when you smoke them on a mountain bike without slicks... on the street. It’s the engine, not the bike. Miguel indurain would kick their rears with a huffy. It’s the angler, not the gear. In the words of Warpath, BAM! POW! Conversely, I also won’t judge them and be a reverse snooty dude and look down upon them for using higher end gear. To each his own.
I don't care what other people spend their money on. They don't pay my bills ????
On 5/21/2018 at 12:22 PM, optimator said:I don't care what other people spend their money on. They don't pay my bills ????
I don’t care either, and they’re more than welcome to pay my bills if they would like!
On 5/21/2018 at 10:44 AM, islandbass said:Yes I too have run into such people. My road bike is so old it only has 6 gears, old school cantilever brakes and the clicking latches and treads on my mid end blue sidi dominator shoes have broken off due to being too old, lol.
There was was nothing sweeter than smoking them on a ride and it’s even sweeter when you smoke them on a mountain bike without slicks... on the street. It’s the engine, not the bike. Miguel indurain would kick their rears with a huffy. It’s the angler, not the gear. In the words of Warpath, BAM! POW! Conversely, I also won’t judge them and be a reverse snooty dude and look down upon them for using higher end gear. To each his own.
Big Mig, Sidi shoes and cyclocross bikes? Let's just change the site name to CycleResource.
I got into road racing after watching Lemond chase down Boyer within sight of the finish line to only have Saronni rocket past everyone to win the 1982 World Championship. I was hooked.
The "types" of participants in every sport are almost identical and span from the "grouchy retro guy" to the "latest and greatest clueless incapables" and everything in between. To each his own, it's part of the fun.
On 5/21/2018 at 8:33 PM, reason said:Big Mig, Sidi shoes and cyclocross bikes? Let's just change the site name to CycleResource.
I got into road racing after watching Lemond chase down Boyer within sight of the finish line to only have Saronni rocket past everyone to win the 1982 World Championship. I was hooked.
The "types" of participants in every sport are almost identical and span from the "grouchy retro guy" to the "latest and greatest clueless incapables" and everything in between. To each his own, it's part of the fun.
Well said! And absolutely, it's part of the fun. I particular love the story of his comeback after being accidentally shot. I'm looking to get back into cycling for the health benefits. Although the days of doing century-plus rides (that 100 miles in a day for those who don't ride, lol) are probably long since passed, it doesn't mean we can't still enjoy a good ride.
Trike the 3 sea shells on demolition man.
I don't agree with people that buy things just to have, that idea is just silly. Honestly, that is why so many people struggle with debt and paying off credit cards in the US and its sad. There is no reason to buy a new year model of product x each time one is put out. Especially not with rods or reels. Until materials such as graphene can be mass produced I doubt there will be any significant advancements in rod technology. As far as electronics the same applies, the law of diminishing returns proves this.
On 1/21/2015 at 11:30 PM, Preytorien said:I ride in a road cycling club here in Central IN. There are always those couple of guys who've always got the latest $15K race Tour De France bike.
I ride for my schools cycling team and see the same thing all the time. There are people with more expensive wheels than my entire bike yet I can still drop them. The bike doesn't make the cyclist, similarly, the tackle/electronics doesn't make the angler.
I try to buy decent rods and reels so I will have them a long time. Unless a new model has something to offer that my current gear can't do, and it would have to be something fairly significant as well, I'm not going to run out to buy the latest gear.
If I am adding a new rod and reel to my lineup, I will look at the latest gear.
Don't even get me started on Golf Equipment!!
I mainly fish with outdated models at clearenced prices. My rods are LEWS. My spinning reels vary between okuma, fin nor, globe, viva. My baitcasters are US Reel.
when I started bass fishing I had a 5’ med action rod from a tag sale in Maine just $5. That was my lucky rod it caught lots of bass with my skill of course. Then it was bubble pack quantum spinning reels at Walmart. I started out being frugal.