Left handed or right handed baitcaster for true-running crankbaits? 2024
Further North reply :
I am in a quandary.
I cannot decide if a left handed or right handed bait casting reel is best to get crank baits to run genuinely true - absolutely, objectively, measurably at a 90° angle to the plane defined by the axis of my reel.
I am naturally right handed, but am gifted with the ability to be ambidextrous with many things. I can bat, cast a fly rod, shoot both handguns and shotguns...and um...at least one other ...um...activity...equally well with both hands.
Looking at the formula for torque:
T = F * r * sin(theta)
Where:
T = torque
F = linear force
r = distance measured from the axis of rotation to where the linear force is applied
theta = the angle between F and r
...I am concerned that as a natural right hander, I am applying force to the rod, the reel handle and the axis of the crank that will cause crank-baits to run off center.
Looking at this animation:
...makes me virtually certain that I am indeed doing something wrong and that continuing to do so will cost me thousands of fish per year...or worse, have me only catching dinks.
Keeping in mind that I am ignoring the effects or weather, the solunar tables, and it I had a dark beer or an IPA the evening before...what does this august body of bass fishing expertise think is the best solution to my problem?
.ghoti. reply :
therapy
Further North reply :
My therapist is a fly fisherman...a purist...can't come to terms with the idea that anyone would ever use a spinning reel...much less a baitcaster...
...my therapist also wears tweed and smokes a pipe. You can't really trust a woman that does that.
J Francho reply :
By therapy, we mean beer…
Fun4Me reply :
On 9/23/2016 at 7:34 AM, J Francho said:By therapy, we mean beer…
Scotch works better 
Further North reply :
On 9/23/2016 at 7:34 AM, J Francho said:By therapy, we mean beer…
OK...but dark (like Founder's Russian Imperial Stout), or light (like Dogfish Head 120 triple IPA)?
On 9/23/2016 at 7:36 AM, Fun4Me said:Scotch works better
Blended or single malt?
Islay, Speyside, Highlands or Lowlands?
I favor Speyside...but that may be part of the problem.
It causes my axis to tilt off to one side...
crypt reply :
Golf……………….oh crap now you have to figure out left or right handed………….here we go again…………..so sorry. yeah beer it is.
Further North reply :
I don't do golf any more...silly game, takes time away from fishing and hunting...
I could also consider a nice glass of wine, perhaps a nice chianti with fava beans...though my personal taste runs more to Argentine Malbecs
...but given the amazing number of trophy bass coming out of west coast lakes...perhaps a rich, lusty California Cab would be be best? Perhaps I can pick up a little west coast mojo by slurping sipping some tenuous link at a natural level?
Problem is...my crankbaits are still running off center...or maybe it's me?
DelcoSol reply :
I think my head just exploded reading that. You my friend, might be on the verge of insanity. (no offense) You're making it harder than it has to be. Throw a natural colored crankbait in a depth range slightly deeper than the water depth. Cast out, reel in, deflect it off of things, catch fish. If the fish are only small find a place with known larger fish. I cant fish plastics for the life of me, but give me a crank or spinnerbait and its on. I like the DT series but have other brands. Usually a DT6 in fire tiger or shad color. Thats it. Sometimes the fish like it to run a little weird too.
Have you tried tuning the line tie? Are you using a spinning reel?
flyfisher reply :
troll post?
Further North reply :
On 9/23/2016 at 9:20 AM, flyfisher said:troll post?
Mmmmm...noooo....
On 9/23/2016 at 9:16 AM, DelcoSol said:Have you tried tuning the line tie?
I have, but I can't figure out what note to tune it to. I did figure out that I can't B-Sharp...
On 9/23/2016 at 9:16 AM, DelcoSol said:Are you using a spinning reel?
The shaft in the middle of the reel is spinning...I wonder if the problem is that it is spinning almost 90° to the direction of the line?
Maybe my issue is more gyroscopic than torque realted? You may be onto something here!
Or maybe that's just the Cragganmore talking...
Fishes in trees reply :
If you need to get your cranks to run correctly, there isn't any substitute for a crank bait tuning tool. You can look it up in your gear bible (BPS Master catalog)
Scott F reply :
I think the problem is you are using left handed rods with right hand reels. Or is it the other way around?
Further North reply :
On 9/23/2016 at 11:21 PM, Fishes in trees said:If you need to get your cranks to run correctly, there isn't any substitute for a crank bait tuning tool. You can look it up in your gear bible (BPS Master catalog)
OK... I just looked that up...it really exists. 
I thought for sure I'd find that next to the left handed screw drivers and just down from the striped ink...
On 9/23/2016 at 11:42 PM, Scott F said:I think the problem is you are using left handed rods with right hand reels. Or is it the other way around?
You could be right Scott...when I turn my right handed rods around to try to use them left handed...I can't get past the rod sticking out behind me instead of in front...it's too hard for me to cast that way, despite my ambidexterity. It took me a while to learn how to reel backwards with my spinning reels too...but I eventually got a handle on that.
scbassin reply :
Drink enough scotch & you will not know if it's running true & if you did you would not give a darn.
roadwarrior reply :
Well, this certainly lightened up the day. Very entertaining!
Further North reply :
On 9/24/2016 at 12:43 AM, scbassin said:Drink enough scotch & you will not know if it's running true & if you did you would not give a darn.
Good thought.
Should I hold the glass in my right hand or my left hand? Thinking about that for a moment...that's gonna be a moot point after a while as I'll need both hands...
scbassin reply :
You have to leave the drink sitting on the front deck of the boat & drink it thru a straw so your hands are free.
00 mod reply :
Does the crankbait' wobble start to the left or the right? Like the first time you start reeling? If it is right, you need a left handed spinning reel mounted on a right handed casting rod. If it is to the left, it's just not right!
Jeff
Raul reply :
On 9/23/2016 at 7:21 AM, Further North said:I am in a quandary.
I cannot decide if a left handed or right handed bait casting reel is best to get crank baits to run genuinely true - absolutely, objectively, measurably at a 90° angle to the plane defined by the axis of my reel.
I am naturally right handed, but am gifted with the ability to be ambidextrous with many things. I can bat, cast a fly rod, shoot both handguns and shotguns...and um...at least one other ...um...activity...equally well with both hands.
Looking at the formula for torque:
T = F * r * sin(theta)
Where:
T = torque
F = linear force
r = distance measured from the axis of rotation to where the linear force is applied
theta = the angle between F and r
...I am concerned that as a natural right hander, I am applying force to the rod, the reel handle and the axis of the crank that will cause crank-baits to run off center.
Looking at this animation:
...makes me virtually certain that I am indeed doing something wrong and that continuing to do so will cost me thousands of fish per year...or worse, have me only catching dinks.
Keeping in mind that I am ignoring the effects or weather, the solunar tables, and it I had a dark beer or an IPA the evening before...what does this august body of bass fishing expertise think is the best solution to my problem?
Jesus, it´s barely September, I can´t imagine how will your posts look like in January. 
For crying out loud man, don´t try so hard to complicate things, the reel has nothing to do with a crank running true or crooked.
Choporoz reply :
I'm guessing he's not Haysoos...been a while since I lived in sconnie, but that wasn't the most common moniker...maybe Al...or Fred...Vince....or even Bart....probably a few Brett's in the last few years, but I knew very few Haysooses
Further North reply :
On 9/24/2016 at 1:23 AM, Raul said:Jesus, it´s barely September, I can´t imagine how will your posts look like in January.
For crying out loud man, don´t try so hard to complicate things, the reel has nothing to do with a crank running true or crooked.
Hmmm....Dude:
J Francho reply :
He just had his muffler bearings adjusted, give the man a break, lol.
Further North reply :
On 9/24/2016 at 1:33 AM, Choporoz said:I'm guessing he's not Haysoos...been a while since I lived in sconnie, but that wasn't the most common moniker...maybe Al...or Fred...Vince....or even Bart....probably a few Brett's in the last few years, but I knew very few Haysooses
Yeah...not a lotta Scandahoovian guys named Jesus around here.
On 9/24/2016 at 1:43 AM, J Francho said:He just had his muffler bearings adjusted, give the man a break, lol.
Hey! How'd you know that? That was supposed to be a secret. I don't wan the government knowing about by muffler bearings. 
Kelroy reply :
In order for you to calculate this correctly, you must also compensate for the effects of wind/wave/current influences, water temperature effects on lure resistance due to changes in density, vector and velocity of boat movement (are you trolling, coasting, or completely still?), and equatorial proximity. Are your crankbaits skewed to the opposite side if you're fishing in the Southern hemisphere?
Further North reply :
On 9/24/2016 at 1:53 AM, Kelroy said:In order for you to calculate this correctly, you must also compensate for the effects of wind/wave/current influences, water temperature effects on lure resistance due to changes in density, vector and velocity of boat movement (are you trolling, coasting, or completely still?), and equatorial proximity. Are your crankbaits skewed to the opposite side if you're fishing in the Southern hemisphere?
I think you're on to something here...I just ordered an Australian toilet (The water swirls the opposite direction!) on Amazon to test the effect of the reverse Coralis effect on my southern hemisphere crankbaits...with Prime it should be here Monday!
I'm having a heated wave pool installed out back and there's a john boat on the way to check the rest of your ideas. I'll need something to do once the lakes freeze, that should do it. I'm considering building a dome to control temp. and humidity...but am still looking for a way to create artificial wind.
MIbassyaker reply :
Depends upon whether you're fishing for right-handed or left-handed bass...
Further North reply :
On 9/24/2016 at 2:11 AM, MIbassyaker said:Depends upon whether you're fishing for right-handed or left-handed bass...
If they ever grow hands...we're all dead...
lecisnith reply :
It's the Coriolis effect. You're experiencing a phenomenon known as acute geomagnetic reversal that is contained within a 50 yard radius of your person. Quick, go check which way your toilet flushes your Scotch-vomit, clockwise or counterclockwise. If it's counterclockwise you have to reel backwards to get your crank to run straight.
.ghoti. reply :
nope, it's all in the transmission. this guy will give you the true idea.
Further North reply :
On 9/24/2016 at 4:51 AM, lecisnith said:It's the Coriolis effect. You're experiencing a phenomenon known as acute geomagnetic reversal that is contained within a 50 yard radius of your person. Quick, go check which way your toilet flushes your Scotch-vomit, clockwise or counterclockwise. If it's counterclockwise you have to reel backwards to get your crank to run straight.
What kind of heathen vomits Scotch? One grits one's teeth, thinks of Scotland and holds it down...but you may be right on the rest of it.
I'll send a couple baitcasters to be modified to reel backwards. Shouldn't cost mare than a few hundred dollars and maybe I'll have true-running crank-baits!
On 9/24/2016 at 6:30 AM, .ghoti. said:nope, it's all in the transmission. this guy will give you the true idea.
That's the guy I need!
Can I hire him? Or is he dead? He doesn't look healthy.
MassYak85 reply :
Don't forget to take into account the gravitational forces exerted by Mars on your line
S. Sass reply :
This thread has lost its course. 
Further North reply :
On 9/24/2016 at 8:18 AM, MassYak85 said:Don't forget to take into account the gravitational forces exerted by Mars on your line
And Uranus...
On 9/24/2016 at 8:27 AM, S. Sass said:This thread has lost its course.
I rensent the implication that it ever had one!
adrenalizd reply :
I don't think anyone is taking into consideration the way the graphite of the rod is spun. You have to get a reel that is opposite to the spin of the graphite to balance them out.
Further North reply :
On 9/24/2016 at 11:58 AM, adrenalizd said:I don't think anyone is taking into consideration the way the graphite of the rod is spun. You have to get a reel that is opposite to the spin of the graphite to balance them out.
Great thinking!
I just called in a special order to St. Croix for 32 counter-wrapped rods to replace my 4 crankbait rods and 7 backups for each one.
Bass Turd reply :
Maybe someday we will be blessed with reversible handled bait casters... just like the spinning reels....
S. Sass reply :
Ok I have one or two solutions and at least one should correct the issue.
1. You need a V8 drink.
2. You need to or have stayed at a Holiday inn.
Further North reply :
On 9/25/2016 at 12:21 AM, Bass Turd said:Maybe someday we will be blessed with reversible handled bait casters... just like the spinning reels....
Can you imagine the bruised/broken knuckles?
I don't think a bass would break much...but a pike pike, musky or a steelehead?
OW!
On 9/25/2016 at 2:28 AM, S. Sass said:Ok I have one or two solutions and at least one should correct the issue.
1. You need a V8 drink.
2. You need to or have stayed at a Holiday inn.
That'll work out - I can stay at a Holiday in while they build the wave pool.
Further North reply :
OK, I think I might be on to something...in another topic here, Daiwa J braid is discussed...I looked at it and said, "Hey! The 'hook' on the J goes to the left and I reel with my right hand...those two things might offset each other...
So...I quickly jumped on the internet and ordered some Daiwa J braid in 40 pound from a company on the other side of the international date line for next day delivery. Should be here tomorrow (or yesterday, I get confused about this).
If it doesn't work, or makes the problem worse, I'll try putting it on backwards...but I am worried about the line causing backlashes if the "hook" is at the top.
Further North reply :
OK...so the J Braid arrived the day before yesterday...which was yesterday, today. I think. It might have been tomorrow, yesterday.
Tried it...I think the Glenmorangie was making me tilt to far to the wrong side, and Australian Toilet on the stern kept on pushing the transom down too low so the waves generated by the wave pool were swamping my bilge...
At the end of the day..."swamping my bilge" seems like an entirely appropriate way to end this...
In the words of a guy named Joe: "I'd like to remind you I'm running for president. I appreciate your vote. And here is an industrial love song."
Two Further North Bonus points for the first person to ID the correct Joe, no googling allowed.
J Francho reply :
Walsh.
You forgot to adjust all your math for thermals above sea level during a leap year that ends in an integer that cannot easily be cubit. Also, remember it's fall, and there is a slight adjustment for thrust generated by migratory water fowl.
j bab reply :
On 9/27/2016 at 10:01 PM, J Francho said:Walsh.
You forgot to adjust all your math for thermals above sea level during a leap year that ends in an integer that cannot easily be cubit. Also, remember it's fall, and there is a slight adjustment for thrust generated by migratory water fowl.
On 9/23/2016 at 7:21 AM, Further North said:Keeping in mind that I am ignoring the effects of weather
Forget that, just get the one with more ball bearings.
J Francho reply :
One could successfully argue that thrust generated by migratory waterfowl is not weather. 
I'll start a survey.
S. Sass reply :
You guys have all left out the fact that a 7' 7/8" heavy rod with 1/2 a parabolic action and a extra extra extra fast tip will correct any distortion from the earths rotational counter forces of reeling from the wrong side. You can always fine adjust the results by adding or removing 1/64" in rod length. 
J Francho reply :
Your theory violates Newton's third law. Peer review!!!!
S. Sass reply :
On 9/28/2016 at 12:56 AM, J Francho said:Your theory violates Newton's third law. Peer review!!!!
In the slim chance Newton disagrees the cure would simply buy another rod It is truly the cure to all fishing issues lets add another 1"!
Wait spider senses say the BASS Gods have spoken and everyone will need 8' to 10ft rods in the very near future to be successful. This has opened up roughly 24 new one inch incremental rod sizes for the industry to correct distortion from the earths rotational counter forces of reeling from the wrong side. Surely we will cure this issue now. 
J Francho reply :
Short, whippy rods are currently in vogue in Japan. I foresee a bass nation divided.
Darren. reply :
On 9/28/2016 at 1:32 AM, J Francho said:Short, whippy rods are currently in vogue in Japan. I foresee a bass nation divided.
Hopefully we'll see a revival here
J Francho reply :
Bring back steel rods!
Wait, the magnetic draw from forces such as the earth's poles will make us have to recalculate!
Darren. reply :
On 9/28/2016 at 1:35 AM, J Francho said:Bring back steel rods!
Wait, the magnetic draw from forces such as the earth's poles will make us have to recalculate!
I say let's go back to cane poling.
J Francho reply :
Yeti's are real.
S. Sass reply :
On 9/28/2016 at 1:49 AM, J Francho said:Yeti's are real.
Sasquatch is too ... or is that the same guy???
Further North reply :
No:
Ratherbfishing reply :
On 9/23/2016 at 7:21 AM, Further North said:I am in a quandary.
I cannot decide if a left handed or right handed bait casting reel is best to get crank baits to run genuinely true - absolutely, objectively, measurably at a 90° angle to the plane defined by the axis of my reel.
I am naturally right handed, but am gifted with the ability to be ambidextrous with many things. I can bat, cast a fly rod, shoot both handguns and shotguns...and um...at least one other ...um...activity...equally well with both hands.
Looking at the formula for torque:
T = F * r * sin(theta)
Where:
T = torque
F = linear force
r = distance measured from the axis of rotation to where the linear force is applied
theta = the angle between F and r
...I am concerned that as a natural right hander, I am applying force to the rod, the reel handle and the axis of the crank that will cause crank-baits to run off center.
Looking at this animation:
...makes me virtually certain that I am indeed doing something wrong and that continuing to do so will cost me thousands of fish per year...or worse, have me only catching dinks.
Keeping in mind that I am ignoring the effects or weather, the solunar tables, and it I had a dark beer or an IPA the evening before...what does this august body of bass fishing expertise think is the best solution to my problem?
Thanks a lot! Now my head hurts.
I am, however, convinced that the rotation of the earth has thrown off my casts by as much as 30 degrees. I am not sure what formula to use to correct this.
J Francho reply :
When in doubt, take the derivative.
.ghoti. reply :
never drink and derive
Further North reply :
On 9/29/2016 at 8:40 AM, .ghoti. said:never drink and derive
OK...I was gonna sit this out (cuz I claimed I was going to let it end)...but that is an absolutely deadly pun. I love it.
.ghoti. reply :
On 9/29/2016 at 8:42 AM, Further North said:OK...I was gonna sit this out (cuz I claimed I was going to let it end)...but that is an absolutely deadly pun. I love it.
On 9/29/2016 at 8:42 AM, Further North said:
i used to have a shirt with that on it
Further North reply :
On 9/29/2016 at 8:49 AM, .ghoti. said:I used to have a shirt with that on it.
So...you bought the PI Day shirt too? Last year, when it really mattered?
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