Look what happened.... 2024
Bassn Blvd reply :
Can you guess what kind of rod this is,(was) ?
Did you guess
Don't ask how this happened because I ain't got a clue. All I know is I am extremely PSSSSSSD OFF.
I already contacted G-Loomis and they will have a brand new one on my door step by the end of the week for $50.00.
flechero reply :
No need to get mad, that's what the *unconditional* warranty is for. At least you have a good company standing behind you.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
You should take your 50 get a clarus and tell loomis u want your money back
roadwarrior reply :
So...
What's the problem?
Bassn Blvd reply :
QuoteSo...What's the problem?
I'm without my topwater plug rod for a week. Isn't that bad enough?
Ghetto_Basser reply :
QuoteQuoteSo...What's the problem?
I'm without my topwater plug rod for a week. Isn't that bad enough?
Wow :-?
islandbass reply :
Sorry that it happened. That is a strange place for a break. You went the expeditor route I see. With a break like that, and you getting your rod, do you know if GLoomis is going to tell you if it was the result of a defect?When I saw that blue color, I actually thought it was a Shakespeare Barbie pole. :
Don't be too harsh on them.
Low_Budget_Hooker reply :
QuoteSo...What's the problem?
If you look where it broke, that's no "slammed in door" break. Now, after spending $300(?), he has to spend another $50 and is w/o a rod for a week.
For me,...that would be a problem. >
flechero reply :
QuoteQuoteSo...What's the problem?
If you look where it broke, that's no "slammed in door" break. Now, after spending $300(?), he has to spend another $50 and is w/o a rod for a week.
For me,...that would be a problem. >
Surely you are just stirring the pot... he didn't say how happened and it's a Greenwater $200 ish.
For us regular guys, it cost in the $20-30 range to ship a rod. The Xpeditor is great for any non UPS or Fedex employee. Loomis requires the broken rod be returned... and for REGULAR guys, shipping and return shipping cost more than $50 and at least Loomis sends the replacement first to provide a return tube.
Bassn Blvd reply :
I was upset when I wrote the original post. It wasn't 300 for the rod. I believe it was 225.
Good observations guys. The break is below the round part of the guide which rules out slamming it in the door, etc. It broke at the taper too.
I did go the xpeditor route because if it's a manufacturer defect you still have to pay shipping and handling. But if they say it's my fault then the bill would be more than 50 bucks. I did not want to chance them trying to screw me and say it was user error so I payed the 50 bucks no questions asked route.
It does make one wonder though that how much they mark up their rods to cover the $50 no questions asked warranty. They are giving me the exact rod brand new for $50 when it retails for $225.
flechero reply :
QuoteIt does make one wonder though that how much they mark up their rods to cover the $50 no questions asked warranty. They are giving me the exact rod brand new for $50 when it retails for $225.
I can tell you exactly how much the price changed when the Xpeditor warranty was introduced. $0.00 That's right, the price did not go up when they began that program. What's more impressive is that the prices have gone up slower than inflation... My first MBR784 IMX was $225 in 1994 (I remember because that was the summer I bought my first good boat) anyway, the cost of the same rod (including the Xpeditor warranty is now $245 and the 783, 785 and 844 are about the same % of increase in that same time period.
Remember it's the shipping you pay- for the new rod and the return shipping of the old one. The rod itself is replaced at no actual cost to you. And thus the term "warranty" and not insurance.
Micro reply :
G Loomis has been operating on an economy of scale for years. But their rods have always been, and continue to be, extremely expensive. It seems they should be passing along some sort of savings to their customers.
I'm not saying Loomis rods aren't quality products, but there is little doubt that name pushes that premium price. I'm not sure the best G Loomis rod is really worth hundreds more than some lower priced, high quality competitors.
Bassn Blvd reply :
I guess it's likes Hewes flats boats. Their boat are awsome but they are price way high. They are priced high because of the name.
Mike B Fishin reply :
It does make one wonder though that how much they mark up their rods to cover the $50 no questions asked warranty. They are giving me the exact rod brand new for $50 when it retails for $225.
fish-fighting-illini reply :
ThomasL reply :
First thing i see is a saltwater rod used for bass fishing?Weight alone to put me away from that greenwater line,the originals are much lighter in weight.But here we go again in less than two days bashing high dollar equipment,i have said before you get what you pay for,thats why i drive 4 runners,landcruisers,yes they cost more but i am driving them down the road not sitting in a repair shop with recalls where they won't built worth a crap to begin with... ::)Slight rant... ;D
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
There is a point to this there are only a few companies worldwide that make blanks >for instance i have a few Rapala rods the blanks look identical to a loomis mossyback same scrim and all same guide distance i measured it my buddy has the MB same weight even even the same color thread thats the same lenght also,,ok so what if loomis does make there own blanks if they sign a contract to make blanks for another company for 2 yrs and sell each blank for 20 bucks and said company is selling the rods for 50 bucks.That company can put any name on it as long as it dont say loomis and only have a 1 yr warrenty .Niether company is loosing anything
Daniel My Brother reply :
QuoteFirst thing i see is a saltwater rod used for bass fishing?Weight alone to put me away from that greenwater line,the originals are much lighter in weight.But here we go again in less than two days bashing high dollar equipment,i have said before you get what you pay for,thats why i drive 4 runners,landcruisers,yes they cost more but i am driving them down the road not sitting in a repair shop with recalls where they won't built worth a crap to begin with...::)Slight rant... ;D
Your logic is flawed. You like Toyotas because you get more time on the road, less time in the shop. Gloomis rods seem to break more often than lesser price rods, which is costing Bassn Blvd time on the water.
Bud reply :
QuoteGloomis rods seem to break more often than lesser price rods,
The reason could be more of G Loomis are in use. Some people can break a solid steel rod
flechero reply :
Quotethere are only a few companies worldwide that make blanks
Not so... there at least a dozen in the US alone. I wouldn't even guess how many there are outside the U.S.
roadwarrior reply :
QuoteG Loomis has been operating on an economy of scale for years. But their rods have always been, and continue to be, extremely expensive. It seems they should be passing along some sort of savings to their customers.I'm not saying Loomis rods aren't quality products, but there is little doubt that name pushes that premium price. I'm not sure the best G Loomis rod is really worth hundreds more than some lower priced, high quality competitors.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
It seems to me that the Loomis "name" was established by delivering high quality, dependable fishing rods over a number of decades. Their reputation has been "built" not created. For most longtime customers, the name is sonomonous with dependability. There is a cost for design, engineering, craftsmanship and quality components. I don't consider G.Loomis to be overpriced, but very reasonably priced.
TournyFish001 reply :
from the looks of the pic's it looks as if he reefed on the rod to get a snag loose- I say that because a few years back when I was, well lets say less educated in fishing- I did the same thing and the rod- a Reddington broke in the same place- sounded like a gun went off- I was on a river and couldn't get to the snag- being a mallet head I just kept jerking the rod at 10'0clock and bang- everyone aournd me was like idiot!!! The rod broke clean in half right at the taper very much like the one in this thread... Who knows but my point being- it is possible that it broke due to miss use- I could brake any high mod graphite rod on a snag if I wanted to. Just had to say this since the break looked very familiar.
Micro reply :
QuoteWhich came first, the chicken or the egg?
It seems to me that the Loomis "name" was established by delivering high quality, dependable fishing rods over a number of decades. Their reputation has been "built" not created. For most longtime customers, the name is sonomonous with dependability. There is a cost for design, engineering, craftsmanship and quality components. I don't consider G.Loomis to be overpriced, but very reasonably priced.
It matters not which came first. The issue is where we are now.
I'm certain Loomis rods are high quality. That high quality was as a result of good research and developement. However, Loomis doesn't operate in a vacuum. There are other companies out there with equally good products resulting from equally good research and development. Yet they can offer their products for significantly less.
Loomis operates on an economy of scale, as previously stated. They take advantage of technology, production techniques, and sheer volume that ought to lower the costs of their rods - yet their products are among the most expensive mass produced rods available. And I don't see anything particularly extraordinary about them. They use common components, and I never heard a compelling account that they perform any better than other premium rods that sell for much less. In fact, some sources suggest their more expensive offerings have characterisitics similar to much less expensive rods:
http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfenwickhmg.html
What's a Fenwick HMG costs? $120? And a Loomis GLX? $200 more than that?
I'm not saying Loomis builds bad rods. I'm sure their rods are fantastic. But I'm also sure (opinion) there is some element of "illusionary quality" associated with Loomis that is driven by a name and high price. Some people subscribe to the notion that "price buys quality" when in reality there are numerous examples of "price belying quality."
If you want to spend $320 on a Loomis rod, I don't begrudge it to you one iota. I know there is a high degree of pride of ownership with respect to Loomis rods (and that has value, too).
TournyFish001 reply :
QuoteQuoteWhich came first, the chicken or the egg?
It seems to me that the Loomis "name" was established by delivering high quality, dependable fishing rods over a number of decades. Their reputation has been "built" not created. For most longtime customers, the name is sonomonous with dependability. There is a cost for design, engineering, craftsmanship and quality components. I don't consider G.Loomis to be overpriced, but very reasonably priced.
It matters not which came first. The issue is where we are now.
I'm certain Loomis rods are high quality. That high quality was as a result of good research and developement. However, Loomis doesn't operate in a vacuum. There are other companies out there with equally good products resulting from equally good research and development. Yet they can offer their products for significantly less.
Loomis operates on an economy of scale, as previously stated. They take advantage of technology, production techniques, and sheer volume that ought to lower the costs of their rods - yet their products are among the most expensive mass produced rods available. And I don't see anything particularly extraordinary about them. They use common components, and I never heard a compelling account that they perform any better than other premium rods that sell for much less. In fact, some sources suggest their more expensive offerings have characterisitics similar to much less expensive rods:
http://www.tackletour.com/reviewfenwickhmg.html
What's a Fenwick HMG costs? $120? And a Loomis GLX? $200 more than that?
I'm not saying Loomis builds bad rods. I'm sure their rods are fantastic. But I'm also sure (opinion) there is some element of "illusionary quality" associated with Loomis that is driven by a name and high price. Some people subscribe to the notion that "price buys quality" when in reality there are numerous examples of "price belying quality."
If you want to spend $320 on a Loomis rod, I don't begrudge it to you one iota. I know there is a high degree of pride of ownership with respect to Loomis rods (and that has value, too).
Gotta love capitalism- as long as there is demand for G-Loomis products the price will follow accordingly- BTW comparing a G-Loomis GLX to a Fenwick HMG is like apples and oranges- I own both. Mind you I have never spent FULL retail for a G-Loomis rod, never bought a used one either- I own GL3's on up to the GLX- most I have ever spent on a single rod is 210.00- a savy purchaser this day and age should NEVER spend full retail on a product- especially fishing gear! Hello the world wide web- UNLESS it is just out and that is just the way it is. This reply is directed at no one in particular well the GLX to a HMG kinda got me... LOL
Micro reply :
QuoteG-Loomis GLX to a Fenwick HMG is like apples and oranges- I own both...This reply is directed at no one in particular well the GLX to a HMG kinda got me... LOL
Why is it not a proper comparison? Same class rods, same intended purposes. More like comparing a less expensive apple to a very expensive apple.
FishTank reply :
QuoteWhy is it not a proper comparison? Same class rods, same intended purposes. More like comparing a less expensive apple to a very expensive apple.
Sorry.
I have fished a Fenwick HMG and it's a nice rod but it is not even close to a Loomis GLX or IMX. I would compare it to a St.Croix Avid (which is also a fine rod).
Enjoy what you fish.
TournyFish001 reply :
QuoteQuoteG-Loomis GLX to a Fenwick HMG is like apples and oranges- I own both...This reply is directed at no one in particular well the GLX to a HMG kinda got me... LOL
Why is it not a proper comparison? Same class rods, same intended purposes. More like comparing a less expensive apple to a very expensive apple.
Have you fished a GLX or a HMG? Just curious, I would hate to think someone reading this thread could take this info and asume an HMG is just as good as a GLX- that would be a bad deal- I can't agree the two are just not comparable $ wise or performance. You could at least be close and compare a GLX to a Megabass Destroyer or a Diawa Steez rod- but not a Fenwick HMG
roadwarrior reply :
QuoteQuoteG-Loomis GLX to a Fenwick HMG is like apples and oranges- I own both...This reply is directed at no one in particular well the GLX to a HMG kinda got me... LOL
Why is it not a proper comparison? Same class rods, same intended purposes. More like comparing a less expensive apple to a very expensive apple.
Just silly...Just plain silly.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Still though graphite is graphite ,,Loomis dont have there own graphite pit it all comes from the same place.what matters most is who does the R and D to make graphite as light as possible im pretty sure who ever manufactures the machinery for rolling out blanks for one company most likely has a monopoly on it just like with tires all the tire BRANDS now days if each had there own factories.wouldnt we see more of them being built instead of housing projects.loomis is mass produced just like falcon,diawia,shimano,berkley etc etc.The way the economy is i could prob sell ice to a eskimo if i tell him this water has never been froze untill now
Micro reply :
What's silly about it, RW? These are comparable rods in form and function. They have the same intended purpose. Why not compare them? Tackletour thought enough to compare them - and found that with respect to RoD they are virtually identical. I think it's a fair comparison.
The question is whether or not the GLX is worth $220 more than the HMG.
Lemme ask you this, RW - On typical day out fishing, do you feel you would do significantly better with a GLX than with an HMG? Would you do 3 times better? Because that's the issue. 3 times the price for possibly a TAD more sensitivity. I suspect you would do virtually the same with an HMG as you would with a GLX (I bet you wouldn't do 3 times better with a GLX over an Ugly Stik). That might justify spending $340 versus $120 to you for MAYBE (<== note the BIG maybe) a little better success.
I suspect that the difference is non-existent to the average fisherman, and only a little noticable to one such as yourself.
TournyFish001 reply :
QuoteStill though graphite is graphite ,,Loomis dont have there own graphite pit it all comes from the same place.what matters most is who does the R and D to make graphite as light as possible im pretty sure who ever manufactures the machinery for rolling out blanks for one company most likely has a monopoly on it just like with tires all the tire BRANDS now days if each had there own factories.wouldnt we see more of them being built instead of housing projects.loomis is mass produced just like falcon,diawia,shimano,berkley etc etc.The way the economy is i could prob sell ice to a eskimo if i tell him this water has never been froze untill now
I have a very hard time believing that a GLX blank could be the same blank as another mass produced rod such as berkly or falcon...
Solo reply :
It is my understanding that Graphite is not manufactured by Loomis, Fenwick, St. Croix, etc. They order graphite from a limited number of suppliers specifing characterisitics: (e.g. modulus, scrim, etc.). To my knowledge (and I stand to be corrected on this) only Sage and Loomis have proprietary graphite designed especially for fishing (e.g. GLX). BTW Cabela's sells rods with a 65,000,000 Modulus and a lifetime guarantee.
So Loomis rods (not including GLX) are not that much different in graphite composition from other manufacturers. The Fenwick AV blank for instance, is the basis of some very expensive and high quality rods in Japan. The Techna AV blank actually is very sensitive and comparable to IMX at a minimum. So is the St. Croix Avid.
Mercedez Benz, cars with a premium price tag but score very low in quality ratings. But the NAME sells. Not saying Loomis is low quality, they're obviously just the opposite, but leagues better than other rods in today's market?: naw.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
QuoteIt is my understanding that Graphite is not manufactured by Loomis, Fenwick, St. Croix, etc. They order graphite from a limited number of suppliers specifing characterisitics: (e.g. modulus, scrim, etc.). To my knowledge (and I stand to be corrected on this) only Sage and Loomis have proprietary graphite designed especially for fishing (e.g. GLX). BTW Cabela's sells rods with a 65,000,000 Modulus and a lifetime guarantee.So Loomis rods (not including GLX) are not that much different in graphite composition from other manufacturers. The Fenwick AV blank for instance, is the basis of some very expensive and high quality rods in Japan. The Techna AV blank actually is very sensitive and comparable to IMX at a minimum. So is the St. Croix Avid.
Mercedez Benz, cars with a premium price tag but score very low in quality ratings. But the NAME sells. Not saying Loomis is low quality, they're obviously just the opposite, but leagues better than other rods in today's market?: naw.
Ya what i was tryin to say it all comes in sheets i suppose its like pickin out the best colored tomatoes with no blemishes.and the sheets are sold to many diff companies for many diff reason aerospace,bikes,cars and such >Loomis might have pick of the litter since they been doing it a long time .I will agree a looomis rod is very light no dought bUt for me durability is more my style.I can still find a light rod and since i use 9.5 oz reels it aint hard .i can see having a 2 oz rod if u have a 6 oz reel very good sensitivty all in all what matters most is fish with what u feel comfy with to me thats a 12 or 13 oz rod and reel combo
flechero reply :
We are way off topic but I have to address one more thing...
QuoteStill though graphite is graphite
Sure, just like metal is metal- no matter if it's lead, iron, stainless, titanium or gold, right, it's all the same?
Beyond the "metal", blank design, taper, wall thickness, scrim and the actual manufacturing processes all play a significant part in the finished blank.
One more thing- Loomis is no more expensive (relatively speaking) than it has always been- there are just way more other quality rods on the market now and since many of them are lesser priced, Loomis "looks" more expensive in comparison. The fact that you can buy a 'good' rod for less money, only means that you can buy a good rod for less money- it's independent of the Loomis... but eager to compare.
If you don't want to buy a Loomis, don't. But if you don't buy one, how can you tell people that X or Y rods are just as good? I think it's funny that about 95% of Loomis users say they are a GREAT value and about 95% of non-loomis owners think they couldn't be that good. ...lol
Micro reply :
QuoteIf you don't want to buy a Loomis, don't. But if you don't buy one, how can you tell people that X or Y rods are just as good? I think it's funny that about 95% of Loomis users say they are a GREAT value and about 95% of non-loomis owners think they couldn't be that good. ...lol
Is a GLX 3 times better than an HMG? Would a really good fisherman do 3 times better with a GLX than with an HMG?
I didn't say, nor would I imply, that the HMG was as good as the GLX. But is whatever advantage the GLX gives you worth an extra $220 or $240?
I suspect that you have to be a really good fisherman to notice any difference between the two. I doubt the GLX would offer any substantial advantage to the average fisherman.
I don't own a GLX or an HMG. But that doesn't dimish what I'm asking.
Like I said earlier, owning a G. Loomis has a value all it's own. Pride of ownership runs high as you can plainly see. In part because it's a great rod. But also in part because it's so expensive that ownership is rather exclusive. If it was as good as it is, but more reasonably priced, everyone would own one and that clique wouldn't exist. There's no question in my mind that you are paying for that prestige.
If I want a G. Loomis, or any other rod, I'll buy it. It's not beyond my means. But I'm a more practical consumer and appreciate quality-and-value over quality-and-prestige. Some people my go for the latter, and that's OK, too.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
QuoteWe are way off topic but I have to address one more thing...QuoteStill though graphite is graphiteSure, just like metal is metal- no matter if it's lead, iron, stainless, titanium or gold, right, it's all the same? Didnt mean it that way the only way graphite is changed is who is doing the building of a rod its still graphite wether it is thin or thick ,,metal is a material as is graphite
Beyond the "metal", blank design, taper, wall thickness, scrim and the actual manufacturing processes all play a significant part in the finished blank.
One more thing- Loomis is no more expensive (relatively speaking) than it has always been- there are just way more other quality rods on the market now and since many of them are lesser priced, Loomis "looks" more expensive in comparison. The fact that you can buy a 'good' rod for less money, only means that you can buy a good rod for less money- it's independent of the Loomis... but eager to compare.
If you don't want to buy a Loomis, don't. But if you don't buy one, how can you tell people that X or Y rods are just as good? I think it's funny that about 95% of Loomis users say they are a GREAT value and about 95% of non-loomis owners think they couldn't be that good. ...lol
The_Natural reply :
Why do I repsond to these threads *shrug*. I guess Tackle Tour uses the mbr glx as the benchmark in all their rod comparisons due to the Loomis warranty?! I guess when Tackle Tour tested the new bcr803 glx and claimed it was the 'most sensitive rod we have ever tested' it is just miraculous that a $50 rod with a $250 warranty can perform that well (these guys aren't bias...they are Japanese rod junkies, not to mention the guides alone are $70+). The funny thing is...no Loomis owner purchased an IMX or GLX as their first rod...or second for that matter. Ask them what they used to fish with and how it compares to what they fished with previously. Are my GLX's 3 times better than my fleet of Shimano Compre's I had 2 years ago? Yes. Would I pay the premium price of a GLX regardless of warranty? Yes. Why do anglers with lower end or less expensive equipment need to constantly justify their choices or decisions...we don't care what you fish with. You will never see a thread about people that own IMX's or GLX's say that anyone has wasted their money purchasing a less expensive rod...it is always the other way around.
Micro reply :
QuoteWhy do anglers with lower end or less expensive equipment need to constantly justify their choices or decisions...we don't care what you fish with.
No one has done that in this thread. However, there is quite a bit of Loomis elitism bandied about on this board.
I personally don't care if you fish with a Loomis or just tie your line to your willy - and I don't care if you think that about me. I am curious whether or not Loomis is really good enough IN MY OPIONION to justify the huge cost - and this is the forum where I gather the information to make my own decision. For me, my opinion in the most important.
roadwarrior reply :
In the opinion of G.Loomis users, the answer would be "YES."
ThomasL reply :
Here Here roadwarrior! I'll buy em along with my japan shimanos and daiwas no matter what the cost,hell i have been busting ebay wide open on three specific crankbaits lately placing 100.00 maximums where no one will beat me on them!!!AAAHHH the all mighty dollar.... ;D
TournyFish001 reply :
QuoteQuoteWhy do anglers with lower end or less expensive equipment need to constantly justify their choices or decisions...we don't care what you fish with.
No one has done that in this thread. However, there is quite a bit of Loomis elitism bandied about on this board.
I personally don't care if you fish with a Loomis or just tie your line to your willy - and I don't care if you think that about me. I am curious whether or not Loomis is really good enough IN MY OPIONION to justify the huge cost - and this is the forum where I gather the information to make my own decision. For me, my opinion in the most important.
Nice showing your true colors I see... figures LOL
ThomasL reply :
And as all of this is transpiring i go off and place a 100.00 ebay bid on a 6'6" fenwick techna av in medium action new and win it... 
:-? ;D ;D ;D
SO MUCH FOR ME BEING ALL LOOMIS!!! Hope the wife will like it with her twin power 2000!
TournyFish001 reply :
QuoteAnd as all of this is transpiring i go off and place a 100.00 ebay bid on a 6'6" fenwick techna av in medium action new and win it...SO MUCH FOR ME BEING ALL LOOMIS!!! Hope the wife will like it with her twin power 2000!
A man can never have to many fishing rods no matter what the brand- it is easier to lend them out that way LOL-
David P reply :
QuoteWe are way off topic but I have to address one more thing...QuoteStill though graphite is graphiteSure, just like metal is metal- no matter if it's lead, iron, stainless, titanium or gold, right, it's all the same?
Beyond the "metal", blank design, taper, wall thickness, scrim and the actual manufacturing processes all play a significant part in the finished blank.
One more thing- Loomis is no more expensive (relatively speaking) than it has always been- there are just way more other quality rods on the market now and since many of them are lesser priced, Loomis "looks" more expensive in comparison. The fact that you can buy a 'good' rod for less money, only means that you can buy a good rod for less money- it's independent of the Loomis... but eager to compare.
If you don't want to buy a Loomis, don't. But if you don't buy one, how can you tell people that X or Y rods are just as good? I think it's funny that about 95% of Loomis users say they are a GREAT value and about 95% of non-loomis owners think they couldn't be that good. ...lol
I had never owned a loomis rod, and just got one about 2 weeks ago. I was one of those Non loomis owners, and always said, they can't be that good. Never thought a rod would be worth $300 and never imagined it could be much better then a $100 rod.
I went out and got a GLX and absolutely love it. Although I won't sell all my other rods and will still buy other rods from other companies, GLXs are awesome.
They are well worth the price, and if money wasn't a factor, I would only own Loomis rods. Being 19, money is an issue, so for now, it's one GLX .
Bassn Blvd reply :
QuoteWhy do I repsond to these threads *shrug*. I guess Tackle Tour uses the mbr glx as the benchmark in all their rod comparisons due to the Loomis warranty?! I guess when Tackle Tour tested the new bcr803 glx and claimed it was the 'most sensitive rod we have ever tested' it is just miraculous that a $50 rod with a $250 warranty can perform that well (these guys aren't bias...they are Japanese rod junkies, not to mention the guides alone are $70+). The funny thing is...no Loomis owner purchased an IMX or GLX as their first rod...or second for that matter. Ask them what they used to fish with and how it compares to what they fished with previously. Are my GLX's 3 times better than my fleet of Shimano Compre's I had 2 years ago? Yes. Would I pay the premium price of a GLX regardless of warranty? Yes. Why do anglers with lower end or less expensive equipment need to constantly justify their choices or decisions...we don't care what you fish with. You will never see a thread about people that own IMX's or GLX's say that anyone has wasted their money purchasing a less expensive rod...it is always the other way around.
Ditto.
Wow, I guess I stirred the bee hive with this one. I love Loomis and I bought another one yesterday in addition to the replacement.
There are many good fishing rod manufacturers out there and I too have several different kinds of rods. Well, not really. For bass I have Loomis, St.Croix and Hurricane Red Bone( which is the best rod I've ever used for $78, at Sports Authority)
I've built rods for years and marketed them at tackle shops. I built on Loomis blanks, St. Croix and others.
I was alwys use to using custom made rods as apposed to store bought production rods. Yes, I would consider the rods I built on Loomis blanks to be better than the ones Loomis put out, prettier at the least. I have gotten away from building rods and started buying production rods.
A lot of companies making rods use people to put them together and wrap who don't even fish. Sometimes you will get a rod from whomever that was not put together the correct way because of some lazy person being paid minimum wage screwed up.
I do not know what caused my Loomis to break. The last time I used it was for a tourny a week prior and for all I know my partner could have stepped on it and cracked it. Or could be a defect.
I've seen several people break rods and it's usually because their drag is too tight and they are horsing the fish beyond the strength of the rod. I watched a buddy break a $500.00 custom made Loomis. We were fishing in the Tortugas for grouper. I looked at his rod bend and told him he had the wrong action blank for bottom fishing, that his was geared more for plug casting. Sure as sh%t, SNAP.
In my opinion and experience, generally, the more money you spend on a rod, Reel, t.v, car, boat, shirt, shoes the better the product is going to be but their WILL be times you get a lemon. I will continue with Loomis as my 1st choice rods.
Lucky Craft Man reply :
QuoteI am curious whether or not Loomis is really good enough IN MY OPIONION to justify the huge cost...
Why don't you buy one and let us know first hand how you feel. If you don't like it, I am sure you can sell on here for a minimal loss.
Micro reply :
QuoteIn the opinion of G.Loomis users, the answer would be "YES."
Thank you for putting your opinion out there - plainly.
My local tackle shops sells G Loomis and I'm considering a purchase. I'm thinking about offering double the price because I want a Loomis that's twice as good.
(In case you didn't know, that was a joke.)
Micro reply :
QuoteI think he is implying that you are commenting on equipment you do not own or have not fished. So I think the bias in this discussion has fallen your direction.
I haven't given a commentary on anything I don't own. Not once, anywhere in this thread.
I'm asking people who own the rod what their rationale is for buying such an expensive rod. I very well may buy one, but before I consider one at these prices, I want something more substantial than "it's a Loomis."
I'm sorry I committed a cardinal sin by asking whether a Loomis was really worth the premium cost.
roadwarrior reply :
QuoteI'm asking people who own the rod what their rationale is for buying such an expensive rod. I very well may buy one, but before I consider one at these prices, I want something more substantial than "it's a Loomis. "
That's fair.
I have owned Lighting Rods, All Star, Daiwa and Zebco. I currently fish Lamiglas, St. Croix (both Avid (2) and Legend Elite). My G. Loomis are GLX MBR844C and PR844C. Although I like my other rods and they are "technique specific" for me, I will buy G.Loomis exclusively going forward. My G.Loomis are built to exacting standards with the highest quality components. The design, craftmanship and overall quality are second to none. I find my rods to be well balanced, sensitive, light and strong. They deliver EXACTLY what I am looking for in fishing equipment. On top of that, my experience with the company's customer service is the standard by which ALL companies should be judged. Finally, the G.Loomis warranty completes the perfect package.
G.Loomis fishing rods would be an OUTSTANDING VALUE at twice the price. I plan to own more.
Better equipment will not make a bad fisherman good, but it will make a good fisherman better.
FishTank reply :
QuoteI suspect that you have to be a really good fisherman to notice any difference between the two. I doubt the GLX would offer any substantial advantage to the average fisherman.I don't own a GLX or an HMG. But that doesn't dimish what I'm asking.
You said it.
Are they worth the money? Yes............. but I would not have said that if I had not fished one and later purchased a couple.
Is there a extra price for thier name? Maybe....... I have Loomis hat my wife got me for my birthday. She paid $20 for it. I have a Berkley hat that is exactly the same hat with a Berkley logo instead of a Loomis logo. I paid $9 for it. In anycase, I love thier rods and after fishing several others they have become my favorite.
Micro reply :
What about the Loomis Mossyback rods? Any opinions on them?
I want to buy a heavy pitching rod - soon.
fourbizz reply :
QuoteYou will never see a thread where people that own IMX's or GLX's say that anyone has wasted their money purchasing a less expensive rod...it is always the other way around.
That is the wording I have been grasping at for ALL of these ridiculous threads. Expensive things can bring out the worst in people.
Does anyone remember the BS that got thrown Redline's way when he first joined? Same thing.
( sorry for the callout Redline, but I still remember and that was sucky)
guest reply :
QuoteThere is a point to this there are only a few companies worldwide that make blanks >for instance i have a few Rapala rods the blanks look identical to a loomis mossyback same scrim and all same guide distance i measured it my buddy has the MB same weight even even the same color thread thats the same lenght also,,ok so what if loomis does make there own blanks if they sign a contract to make blanks for another company for 2 yrs and sell each blank for 20 bucks and said company is selling the rods for 50 bucks.That company can put any name on it as long as it dont say loomis and only have a 1 yr warrenty .Niether company is loosing anything
Can you document this assertation? What rods and reels do you actually own and use, that you can make such comparassions? I do not say this impolitley , I just always talk about what I use, so do many others here. I have no opion on Loomis, because Inever used one.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
QuoteQuoteThere is a point to this there are only a few companies worldwide that make blanks >for instance i have a few Rapala rods the blanks look identical to a loomis mossyback same scrim and all same guide distance i measured it my buddy has the MB same weight even even the same color thread thats the same lenght also,,ok so what if loomis does make there own blanks if they sign a contract to make blanks for another company for 2 yrs and sell each blank for 20 bucks and said company is selling the rods for 50 bucks.That company can put any name on it as long as it dont say loomis and only have a 1 yr warrenty .Niether company is loosing anythingCan you document this assertation? What rods and reels do you actually own and use, that you can make such comparassions? I do not say this impolitley , I just always talk about what I use, so do many others here. I have no opion on Loomis, because Inever used one.
I use falcons,shimanos,rapalas,uglystiks,lightning rods,quest rods My freind has a mossyback identical to my rapala same graphite scrim work and guides, threads the only diff i see is the cork the rap cork seems to be smoother and lighter color .I have about 30 abus a few pinnicles and a few rapalas and 2 or 3 zebco,s i have owned shimanos and diawias when i was younger
guest reply :
I did a search of Blank Manufactures , I stopped counting at 28! That's a lot of stuff you use!
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
QuoteI did a search of Blank Manufactures , I stopped counting at 28! That's a lot of stuff you use!
LOL i dont use all of it maybe only 4 rods and reels per trip on the boat anyhow when im pond fishing i carry a baitcaster and a spinning setup i have about 4 gran in lures rods reels line terminal stuff etc 20 yrs of collecting abu reels nothing old but a lot of early 90,s stuff,,,,,BTW WB
guest reply :
Thanks
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
QuoteI did a search of Blank Manufactures , I stopped counting at 28! That's a lot of stuff you use!
ya but like i say any small company,, rat l trap rods are made by castaway ,quest rods still have no clue BUT i garentee ya not many companys that make lures, line,weights have a factory to make rods They can buy anything from any BIG name manufacturer and say its theres there is no patent on graphite alone .if u take JUST a blank from each manufacturer and hold it side by side NOT many can tell the diff in a falcon blank or a loomis or a fenwick
AnthonyRSS reply :
I don't think that some of yall know what "diminishing returns" are. With today's rod quality, there is no way a $300 rod is 3x better (strength, sensitivity, weight, etc.) than a $100 rod. The $300 rod is still better than the $100 rod.
You have to make your own decision as to whether it is worth the premium.
roadwarrior reply :
QuoteI don't think that some of yall know what "diminishing returns" are. With today's rod quality, there is no way a $300 rod is 3x better (strength, sensitivity, weight, etc.) than a $100 rod. The $300 rod is still better than the $100 rod.You have to make your own decision as to whether it is worth the premium.
Good point. That applies to everything.
smallfry reply :
QuoteI have a very hard time believing that a GLX blank could be the same blank as another mass produced rod such as berkly or falcon...
I don't know about Loomis blanks, they may not be shared or they may be. But I once eavesdropped at a tackle show as a guy's heart broke when a rep from one rod company explained that a particular "cheap, mass produced rod" (the words of the guy at the show) was built from the same blank at the same factory as his 3X more expensive "japanese" rod. Was the "japanese" rod worth that much more? Well, as my dad used to say, "It is worth whatever they get for it", so the answer must be yes....
roadwarrior reply :
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I have deleted a few posts, no PMs.
The conversation has just gone too far down hill.
This thread is done.
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