I was curious if anyone has successfully thrown anything less than a 1/4 oz with a baitcaster? I seem to have an issue with anything less than a 1/4... Backlash is an understatement
1/32nd if needed...most of the time 1/8th or less on my Pixy SPR when I trout fish..
Right now its got a 1/4oz and casts a mile for whites and hybrids..
Its also spooled up with 4lb line..
Depends on the type of baitcaster and even other baitcasters that are supertuned.
On a stock type of 200 size baitcaster I can throw down to 1/8oz if need be.
I guess I should say specifically... With a 6'6" MH and a BPS Tourney Special.
On 10/27/2013 at 12:18 AM, seekonkBass said:I guess I should say specifically... With a 6'6" MH and a BPS Tourney Special.
That might be tricky, you would want to use a Medium rod and even then you need to look at the lure ratings. Plus you would need the right line and reel.
I can throw 1/8 on a COmpre/Fenwick ET M/F rod, using any of my 50 size reels, but I don't do it as much anymore as I just use my spinning setups for very light lures.
Your rod may be the culprit. i can throw 1/8 oz lures with any of my bait casters but the line an rod is where i think light lures are best utilized try a med power or med light with a faster action and you should be good to go
Reels like the Pixy with shallow light weight spools are designed for casting light baits. The rod has more to do with casting than the reel does and <1/4oz probably isn't enough to load a MH rod. Be sure the weight you want to cast is somewhere in the middle of the mfg ratings.
Finding a good off the shelf casting rod capable of handling light weight is harder than finding a reel.
All the time with the right reel, rod, and line.
Wacky rigged trick worm with a Calcutta
I throw weightless plastics all the time with a BC. BBS pro tourney reel too.
I set the brakes down to 3 for me to work with it.
Yes, and not even with high end gear either.
On 10/27/2013 at 2:22 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:The rod has more to do with casting than the reel does and <1/4oz probably isn't enough to load a MH rod. Be sure the weight you want to cast is somewhere in the middle of the mfg ratings.
X2, your rod has to be able to load. My MH rods are rated on the low side at 3/8 ounce, so I would not even try to throw anything lighter than that. I have a ML casting rod that it is ridiculously easy to throw 1/8 ounce lures with. You have to make sure to stay within the rod's limitations to be successful casting anything
Yea you def. don't want to throw a light bait with a broom stick!
You need a rod that loads with light baits..
My UL combo is that pixy and Dobyns DX701c and it loads great but still has just enough backbone to not get overpowered..
IMO the reel has more to do with the distance of an ultra light weight lure then the rod does (But obviously if the rod isn't rated for the weight, its not going to load up properly) As for baitcasting light weights you need a light spool and shallow spool or the lure will not pull line off the spool to get any distance.
Shimano Crucial 6' 10" Med Heavy Xtra Fast 38 - 34 oz.
Experence has something to do with it
All the time, and the reel is the most important thing, it needs a light spool that will start up quick, cleaned and very lightly lubed bearings or ceramics dri, and some special technique to get good distance and accuracy. The rod helps but but with factory lubed reels and heavy spools, the results will never be stellar! Here is a good read on things to help with standard bass gear,,,,,,,,,http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-videos/cast-light-lures.html
On 10/27/2013 at 2:46 AM, wngan9447 said:I throw weightless plastics all the time with a BC. BBS pro tourney reel too.
I set the brakes down to 3 for me to work with it.
But is it a MH rod? I throw weightless 10" worms and a 4/0 or 5/0 hook on MH rods all the time. Never weighed a set-up, but it probably is closer to 3/8 oz than 1/4 oz.....as a guess.
On 10/27/2013 at 12:10 AM, tomustang said:Depends on the type of baitcaster and even other baitcasters that are supertuned.
On a stock type of 200 size baitcaster I can throw down to 1/8oz if need be.
I've seen Tom do it on a MH rod, but he has one wicked cast.
Medium/ heavy only defines the rods power; 3 power. What is missing is how the rod bends, ie; fast action is a typical bass rod section. Fast means the upper 1/4th of the rod bends when it loads up under average lure weight. Try using a crankbait rod that is a slower action rod, about 1/2 the rod bends, more parabolic bend.
Tom
On 10/27/2013 at 8:35 AM, Catt said:Shimano Crucial 6' 10" Med Heavy Xtra Fast 38 - 34 oz.
Experence has something to do with it
As Catt said, experience has something to do with it. I wonder just how many could cast less than 1/4 oz. using a rod with that rating. Seriously doubt I could. My preferred light lure rod is a Falcon Expert Light. Other rods I have thrown less than 1/4 oz. on are: an older Fenwick HMG, a Fenwick ET Smallmouth MF, a Daiwa V.I.P. Smallmouth MF and a F&S Tec Spec MF. Hmmm. Seems to be a pattern emerging.
Reels used were a tuned and upgraded TD-Z 105H, tuned and upgraded Sol, DVT cleaned (but no upgrades) Curado 51E and a factory refurbished older gold Carbnlite. Reels I feel certain wouldn't qualify for less than 1/4 oz. (at least in my hands) would include my Trions, an older Prodigy and my Zillions. I think my 1600 size Black Max and Morrums would work as well as my Gen 1 Premier. The Black Max has thrown an unweight fluke. Doubt it and hook weighed 1/4 oz.
I don't know which is more important, the rod or the reel. In my case the right one of both are required. Otherwise backlashes and overruns are pretty much a guarantee.
On 10/27/2013 at 9:45 AM, new2BC4bass said:But is it a MH rod? I throw weightless 10" worms and a 4/0 or 5/0 hook on MH rods all the time. Never weighed a set-up, but it probably is closer to 3/8 oz than 1/4 oz.....as a guess.
You have a valid point, but I was just answering what was asked.
With that said, the rod is medium/fast. I throw 3/0 hooks with 5" worms and 4/0 hooks with fat Ikas.
On 10/27/2013 at 10:57 AM, wngan9447 said:You have a valid point, but I was just answering what was asked.
With that said, the rod is medium/fast. I throw 3/0 hooks with 5" worms and 4/0 hooks with fat Ikas.
LOL. You seem to be carrying on the pattern...MF. I've only thrown one Fat Ika. Can't find any locally. It was given to me by Mike of DVT. That sucker casts like a bullet. Sure wish I could find some place in my area that carries them.
EDIT: Bet those 5" worms with a 3/0 hook are pretty light. I've got a few, but haven't used one yet.
Calcutta CT100A, factory stock bearing, properly cleaned & lubricated. 3 of the 6 brakes are off, every other one, tension knob set light, thump pressure varies.
Ya seen the rod specs
I throw a Zoom Trick or a Baby Brush Hog with a 2/0 straight shank hook.
Experence: 35+ yrs with that reel, 10 yrs with that rod (second identical rod), 27 yrs bait casting competition, 17 wins including 12 in a row.
This my every day Texas Rig setup, normal weights I use are none, 18, 316, & 14.
Wow, Catt, now I know why I couldn't cast light lures with that rod. Impressive statistics. I didn't even know they have bait casting competitions.
I assume after using the same reel for 35+ years, you would be willing to recommend it to others.
Seriously I can not believe y'all can't
Every body I know can including my 13 yr old grandson!
Here in southwest Louisiana we fish a lot of shallow water marshes (18-24") & a 116 oz weight is considered heavy.
If y'all can't throw a 14 oz y'all need some serious practice!
I can but do not enjoy it on a BC rod and reel. I have had luck with a few reels, a supertuned Curado 50 with OS7 bearings, several of my Gen 2 Premiers with OS7 bearings and now a highly modified and tuned Daiwa Fuego which actually does the best job of the bunch. The rod I have have the greatest luck with was an old Shimano Crucial crankbait rod, Med/Mod, it loaded easily and handled the light baits well.
It isn't 1/4 oz. that causes problems, it is when I go lower. But then I have about 5 years experience, not 35 years. Nor do I spend the kind of time with a reel in my hand that you do. No where near that much time. I'd be willing to bet you spend as much time in a month with a reel in your hand as I do in a year. Although I have been casting more often this year than any previous year.. This year I was successfully throwing 3/16 oz. Shad Raps on 2 rods with 3 different reels. I can throw 1/8 oz., but my accuracy with that weight sucks big time. Yes....I need a lot more practice.
EDIT: I also would bet that if I were 12 instead of 61 when I started with a baitcasting reel , that I would have learned a lot quicker. Plus at that age I got to spend more time fishing.
With my core 51, curado 51, and new chronarch 151 i can wing a 1/4oz lipless crank a mile. Ive tried 1/8 oz hardbaits but didnt get much distance. I stick with spinning rods for hard baits under a 1/4oz.
I can throw 1/16oz- 1/8oz shakeyheads on these reels with no problem. If its very windy ill use the spinning rod, if its calm the cumulus/core is coming out
I been throwing a 3/8 oz spinner bait with ease using a US Reel 600 super caster bait caster reel on a med action 5'6" rod. I been wondering if I switched to a 5'6" light action rod with 6lb test for the lighter lures. I use a 5'6" spinning outfit with 6lb test for the lighter lures now. I also have one of those micro baitcasters for crappies which is an update to the older open metal baitcasters that's eons old. It's impossible to cast with the 1" grubs. It could be me. I have tiny micro lures too. But I'd like to try a US reel baitcaster super caster using the smaller 1/8 to 1/4oz lures. But I really doubt if it will cast the 1/8oz stuff.
You didn't mention if you have a spinning outfit or not but if throwing lighter baits on casting gear for distance is giving you trouble, just use the spinning gear.
It's known to be universally versatile and designed to do what you need here.
Why force a square peg into a round hole ?
As many have mentioned, with a casting outfit that's right for you (and the job) it's a routine event.
A-Jay
I use all the different line tests on all my rod setups mainly because the lures run better with the lighter line test. Meaning I use 6# & 8# on two of my lighter setups anyway..(spinning)
A-Jay it aint about forcing a square peg into a round hole!
It's about getting the full capability out of my equipment!
The only thing your spinning gear can do that my bait casting gear can not do is cast Crappie jigs...I don't Crappie fish!
new2BC4bass, practice, practice, practice, & when you done practicing practice some more.
How bad do you want it?
Oh spending money on high-end tackle will not make you better if you aint good to start with.
On 10/28/2013 at 2:48 AM, Catt said:A-Jay it aint about forcing a square peg into a round hole!
It's about getting the full capability out of my equipment!
The only thing your spinning gear can do that my bait casting gear can not do is cast Crappie jigs...I don't Crappie fish!
Crappie lures no issues with my bc reels well when they are 1/2oz red eye shads that is. I do throw mini fat raps#3 & bitsy minnows that are small cranks at times with my 50 size reels with ML mod 7'6" rod. Like others mention practice is key.
I do feel people try to rely on the better braking systems of today reels instead of actually training the thumb to toss with.
On 10/28/2013 at 3:00 AM, Catt said:new2BC4bass, practice, practice, practice, & when you done practicing practice some more.
How bad do you want it?
Oh spending money on high-end tackle will not make you better if you aint good to start with.
The reason I have more casting practice this year than any previous year since getting back into fishing is I because I have been willing to go to the boat ramp at a local river to practice with no thought whatsoever of being able to catch any fish there. However, for the first time ever, I did catch a few fish while practicing there. That was a pleasant surprise.
I'm old enough to know that money can't take the place of experience. My $55 older gold Carbonlite does as well as my TD-Z 105H that I have invested almost 4 times as much money in. The Carbonlite was another VERY pleasant surprise.
On 10/28/2013 at 2:48 AM, Catt said:A-Jay it aint about forcing a square peg into a round hole!
It's about getting the full capability out of my equipment!
The only thing your spinning gear can do that my bait casting gear can not do is cast Crappie jigs...I don't Crappie fish!
I'm with you Catt, I'll use whatever tackle gets the job done correctly.
The OP seemed to be having some problems and a simple tackle switch may fix them a little quicker.
A-Jay
QUAKnSHAKE, you are correct, many anglers pass it off on the tackle instead of training themselves how to properly use the equipment they have.
new2BC4bass, I'm 62 yrs old & still practice in my back yard.
A-Jay, I've read your post for to many years to be disrespectful, if I sounded that way I did not mean to!
I just tried casting a Zoom Finesse Worm with a 2/0 Gamakatsu Offset Round Bend Worm Hook. This worm/hook combo weighs just a tad over 3/16th oz.
The reel and line was the same for the 2 different rods that I used. A new Shimano Conquest 100 with 12# Yo Zuri Hybrid.
The rods were a Loomis MBR783GLX and a MBR842GLX.
I tried it with 3 to 5 brakes on with each rod and a loose to semi loose cast control knob.
I found that I can cast it with no major trouble but I did get a lot of overruns that were easily pulled out.
Distance was another story. How much distance are you guy getting with lightweight rigs? I was getting maybe 30 to 40 feet.
This is a pretty interesting topic we've got going now. I think my concern was more focused around the lack of distance I am getting with anything less than a 1/4. I think I am just casting too hard, trying to get distance out of a weight that isn't capable of producing the distance I was expecting and the end result is a messy spool.
On 10/28/2013 at 5:57 AM, John G said:I just tried casting a Zoom Finesse Worm with a 2/0 Gamakatsu Offset Round Bend Worm Hook. This worm/hook combo weighs just a tad over 3/16th oz.
The reel and line was the same for the 2 different rods that I used. A new Shimano Conquest 100 with 12# Yo Zuri Hybrid.
The rods were a Loomis MBR783GLX and a MBR842GLX.
I tried it with 3 to 5 brakes on with each rod and a loose to semi loose cast control knob.
I found that I can cast it with no major trouble but I did get a lot of overruns that were easily pulled out.
Distance was another story. How much distance are you guy getting with lightweight rigs? I was getting maybe 30 to 40 feet.
1/8 = .125 3/16 = .1875
In the pic below the Rapala 1/8 mini fat rap #3 (actual wt is .1513oz) middle row left fire tiger pattern on my Core50mg7 ONE brake & Cumara 7'6" ML Mod rod 12pound sunline suprer sniper fluro I get 60'+ controlled spool. It is right close to 10' off per brake applied 2 brakes around 50' and 3 brakes 40' but there more effort involed with the more brakes applied as well. So one brake to get 40' is easier of a cast than the 3 brakes getting 40'.
Doesnt seem bad with the amount of brakes used. 5 brakes going to take distance away for sure.
On 10/28/2013 at 5:33 AM, Catt said:QUAKnSHAKE, you are correct, many anglers pass it off on the tackle instead of training themselves how to properly use the equipment they have.
new2BC4bass, I'm 62 yrs old & still practice in my back yard.
A-Jay, I've read your post for to many years to be disrespectful, if I sounded that way I did not mean to!
It's all Good Catt.
A-Jay
b/c are designed for heavy line and heavy baits, just sayin.....
On 10/28/2013 at 1:19 PM, LMB ANGLER said:b/c are designed for heavy line and heavy baits, just sayin.....
Do some additional reading. Not ALL baitcasters are. There are a handful of current, discontinued, and limited production reels specifically produced for finesse fishing. Sure, they are more costly than a comparable spinning reel. For the individual looking for this option it exists as do finesse casting rods.
On 10/28/2013 at 1:19 PM, LMB ANGLER said:b/c are designed for heavy line and heavy baits, just sayin.....
In what rule book is that written in?
Manufactures list line capacity but this is not even a suggestion that this is the only pound test you can put on the reel. It does not even suggest this is the optimum pound test for performance.
The line weight & lure weight written on your rod is nothing more than the manufactures suggestion.
Use pound test or weights above or below manufactures suggestion does not void warranties or cause catastrophic damage.
It's no different than a manufacture saying this is a spinner bait rod & that one is a worm rod...it is only a suggestion.
On 10/28/2013 at 1:19 PM, LMB ANGLER said:b/c are designed for heavy line and heavy baits, just sayin.....
Guess you never tried a pixy type r or a PX68R. They are capable of throwing a bare hook !
On 10/28/2013 at 8:43 PM, marinetech said:Guess you never tried a pixy type r or a PX68R. They are capable of throwing a bare hook !
Does that mean a guy without 20-40 years experience with baitcast reels can throw 1/16-1/8 oz. baits? Just asking, not being smart. I can't afford those reels anyway, but am curious. I know in my own case it has taken over 4 years of limited use...and a couple reels capable of throwing light weights...to reach the point where I can cast a 3/16 oz. lure with ease, and a 1/8 oz. lure with horrible accuracy.
That I cannot answer. I just know that a reel that is meant for light baits makes it a much less fustrating fishing trip. The pixy is an amazing reel and that is a huge help.
This is about "balance". It takes a balanced baitcasting combo to cast very light weights. Well, actually, it doesn't. You can do it with heavier gear if you're willing to put in a lot of practice time, but I'm guessing that wasn't what the original poster was asking about.
I use Daiwa Alphas reels for the lightest of weights. .
I have Daiwa Zillions which never see really light weight baits, so I don't know if they're capable or not. I have no reason to find out. The Zillions are spooled with heavier line than the Alphas and are mounted on much more powerful rods. This makes them unsuited for casting the lightest of baits. If they were all I had, I would have to make do, but I have better options.
I have Fuegos, which are good down to about 1/8oz, but given the line and rods utilized, these combos are mostly used with baits in the 3/16 - 3/8oz range. Again, if they were all I had, I could use them for the lightest of baits.
My Alphas are spooled with light line; one with 6, one with 8 and two with 10lb test, all mono. The best combos I have for light weights are as follows.
Best: Alphas 103, 6lb line, St Croix LTB 6'9" ML-XF. Good down to 1/16oz never tried anything less
2nd Best: Alphas 103F, 8lb line, Kislter Helium 7' ML-MF. Again, good down to 1/16oz
The other two Alphas are mounted on medium power rods, so they never see really light weights, but they both will cast 1/4oz just fine.
I made the decision a couple of years ago to get re-aquainted with spinning tackle, so I pretty much use that now when I need to go under 1/8oz.
I would love to have a Pixy SPR, but the cost of admission is too high for me.
On 10/29/2013 at 1:04 AM, .ghoti. said:This is about "balance". It takes a balanced baitcasting combo to cast very light weights. Well, actually, it doesn't. You can do it with heavier gear if you're willing to put in a lot of practice time, but I'm guessing that wasn't what the original poster was asking about.
I use Daiwa Alphas reels for the lightest of weights. .
I have Daiwa Zillions which never see really light weight baits, so I don't know if they're capable or not. I have no reason to find out. The Zillions are spooled with heavier line than the Alphas and are mounted on much more powerful rods. This makes them unsuited for casting the lightest of baits. If they were all I had, I would have to make do, but I have better options.
I have Fuegos, which are good down to about 1/8oz, but given the line and rods utilized, these combos are mostly used with baits in the 3/16 - 3/8oz range. Again, if they were all I had, I could use them for the lightest of baits.
My Alphas are spooled with light line; one with 6, one with 8 and two with 10lb test, all mono. The best combos I have for light weights are as follows.
Best: Alphas 103, 6lb line, St Croix LTB 6'9" ML-XF. Good down to 1/16oz never tried anything less
2nd Best: Alphas 103F, 8lb line, Kislter Helium 7' ML-MF. Again, good down to 1/16oz
The other two Alphas are mounted on medium power rods, so they never see really light weights, but they both will cast 1/4oz just fine.
I made the decision a couple of years ago to get re-aquainted with spinning tackle, so I pretty much use that now when I need to go under 1/8oz.
I would love to have a Pixy SPR, but the cost of admission is too high for me.
Zillion, Fuego and Alphas reels......you are a man after my own heart. Majority of my reels are Daiwas. Picked up my 1st Alphas over the winter...the Purple one. It is an awesome reel. Would love a few more. Already have 2 reels set up for light stuff, so my Alphas won't be seeing anything lighter than 1/4 oz. and probably nothing over 1/2 oz since I have it on a Medium rod.
I got it covered from A to Z LOL. love me some Alphas. I buy every used one I find except the ito's. I find it incredible (bordering on downright silly) that an engineer with Mr Ito's reputation would produce an unfinished aluminum framed reel, not to mention a delicate, clear plastic side cover. Those two factor make the reel suitable only for life on the shelf.
On 10/30/2013 at 12:52 AM, .ghoti. said:I got it covered from A to Z LOL. love me some Alphas. I buy every used one I find except the ito's. I find it incredible (bordering on downright silly) that an engineer with Mr Ito's reputation would produce an unfinished aluminum framed reel, not to mention a delicate, clear plastic side cover. Those two factor make the reel suitable only for life on the shelf.
Or a good reason to send it in for a new paint job! Then it can be fished or shelved!
I've had a few casting rigs capable of throwing the light stuff, but honestly, I didn't enjoy using it. I've kept the reels, and my tuned Alphas and Sols are some of my most oft used. If I am serious about FISHING with baits that light, I'm using a well balanced, light weight, nimble spinning rig. That's just my preference, and through that preference I've become much more proficient at FISHING with them. The catching has gotten pretty good too, heh.
On 10/30/2013 at 1:56 AM, J Francho said:I've had a few casting rigs capable of throwing the light stuff, but honestly, I didn't enjoy using it. I've kept the reels, and my tuned Alphas and Sols are some of my most oft used. If I am serious about FISHING with baits that light, I'm using a well balanced, light weight, nimble spinning rig. That's just my preference, and through that preference I've become much more proficient at FISHING with them. The catching has gotten pretty good too, heh.
I'm in this camp now. A couple of years ago I had one spinning rod, and almost never used it. I didn't use it for bass fishing at all. I now have five spinning combos. I do use them, and have become more proficient.
I'm still baitcast biased. Guess because I have only been using them the past 5 summers, and have enough that none get used as much as I'd like (I'm constantly using different ones) since my time on the water isn't nearly as much as I like, or as much as most people on here spend fishing. I did pick up 5 new-2-me spinning outfits during that time, but one is all that normally goes with me. Even then it seldom gets used.
EDIT: I gave all but one of my old spinning outfits to my grandsons.
I've actually decided to get out of the "bait finesse" game. I'm liking my spinning combos enough, such that, with a little more time on the water with spinning gear, I won't be needing to push the lower limit on any of my baitcast combos.
The two reels I mentioned in a previous post will be re-dedicated to other applications. I have the LTB ML-XF rod sold; just haven't completed the transaction. I'll probably keep the Kistler ML; it's a good backup light crankbait rod.
I do it all the time .JM 6'6 MH Signature rod, Revo Supreme Gen 1 Baitcaster, 10 pound Yo-Zuri mono. 1/8 oz fully skirted jig with a chunk trailer. I religiously fish light jigs .They are my go to baits 90% of the time.
I was whipping Booyah 3/16 oz spinners on my Abu Veritas 7'6" MH no problem tonight. I also use the Abu Revo SX with 30 pound braid.
On 10/26/2013 at 11:47 PM, seekonkBass said:I was curious if anyone has successfully thrown anything less than a 1/4 oz with a baitcaster? I seem to have an issue with anything less than a 1/4... Backlash is an understatement
This is the main reason I'm using more and more spinning reels over my baitcaster. I can't cast light lures like I can with spinning reels.
On 11/4/2013 at 5:37 AM, hoosierbass07 said:This is the main reason I'm using more and more spinning reels over my baitcaster. I can't cast light lures like I can with spinning reels.
I actually have been playing with tuning the reel and switched to 30# braid and casting 3/16 is now a walk in the park. Now my problem lies below that. So I'll probably just use a spinning set up for anything under 3/16.
On 11/4/2013 at 7:09 AM, seekonkBass said:I actually have been playing with tuning the reel and switched to 30# braid and casting 3/16 is now a walk in the park. Now my problem lies below that. So I'll probably just use a spinning set up for anything under 3/16.
Congrats on doing so well, so soon with light baits. Took me awhile. I'm using 6# mono on one reel, and 8# mono on another reel. You would think that being able to throw a 3/16 oz. (actual weight) with ease would translate to throwing a 1/8 oz. weight with a little effort. I can throw it, but accuracy is horrible. Unbelievable how much harder dropping down that 1/16 oz. is for me.
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