Braid Vs Fluorocarbon Casting 2024
okbassguy reply :
I am always torn between Braid and Fluorocarbon on my baitcasters and I know both have their pros and cons fluorocarbon is practically invisible underwater but it stretches, Braid is visible underwater but I don't think it bothers the fish but if it does tell me but the water I fish is always murky or muddy so im not to concerned about that but is braid not as good for casting as fluorocarbon?
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Generally speaking a softer line will cast and handle better. In this case that would be the braid. This is one reason I use it on spinning tackle.
Darren. reply :
Braid - for me - is the best for both spinning and
casting. And for all of my setups, I simply tie on
a leader for the technique I'm wanting to use.
Braid just manages better than straight FC or even
mono, copoly. I've used them straight, prefer braid.
Not everyone agrees. Beauty of opinions based on
our experiences. 
John G reply :
I think casting with FC sucks! I have to tighten the cast control knob more than I like and instead of 2 brakes on I will use 3 and I generally have to use a heavier lure than I like.
Sam reply :
What is interesting about your post is that you need to have some braid line on your spool first and then add the mono or flouro line and then you need some mono the size of your braid on your spool first and then tie the braid to it to help stop slippage.
Mono stretches.
And it depends on the water clarity, structure, cover and the mood the bass are in as to what line you need to throw.
Sometimes they don't mind the braid; other times it chases them away.
However, if braid works for you then go with braid. Personal preference.
Fisher-O-men reply :
Was fishing straight 20# braid yesterday on my dropshot. I was not getting bit and I could see the bottom in 15' of water. I tied on a 12# FC leader and ended up with 6 "keepers". (15"+) Coincidence? Not sure, but my confidence is now with a FC leader.
As to handling, yeah, FC is a pain. Not only does it seem to backlash more, but the backlashes seem to go deeper due to the springyness of the FC. Tape down in the spool will help control that.
fishballer06 reply :
I've always been a braid buy myself. I started using a FC leader this year and my number of hits definitely went up. I now use a FC leader on basically every setup, other than topwater.
The only reel I use straight FC on is my worming rod.
desmobob reply :
Braid is smaller diameter per lb. test and much limper than fluoro or mono... I think it casts much better.
I love braid with a 6' fluoro leader on casting and spinning reels. Monofiliament feels like a rubber band after using braid and fluorocarbon can be a major pain to manage. I do have monofilament on my cranking reel, only because I don't have a proper rod for it yet and the stretch is welcomed.
Tight lines,
Bob
FunkJishing reply :
This will answer all of your questions.
Are you using the right line???
4 = being best; 1 = being worst
FunkJishing reply :
better yet read this http://www.bassresource.com/hank-parker-fishing/line-technique.html
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
I'm sorry but that chart begs all kinds of questions. Who's scores are these? What tests were performed? The myth of fluoro having less stretch has been debunked. It looks like a piece of marketing from a fluorocarbon line maker to me. There is no perfect choice, there will always be a one or more compromises when choosing line for an application. The OP was about ease and distance of casting. Braid is the clear winner there due simply to it's suppleness.
FunkJishing reply :
honestly i got the chart here. lol but reguordless of ratings that very well could be rigged, you want to use the right line for the right situation. and yes, braid wins when it comes to castability.
PAGreg reply :
After using both for the last few years I think I've come up with the combination that I like best. I've gone to 30# Smackdown braid with 20# FC Sniper fluoro leaders. The sensitivity with this combination is incredible and it casts great with little backlash.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/22/2014 at 2:39 AM, FunkJishing said:This will answer all of your questions.
Are you using the right line???
4 = being best; 1 = being worst
Yeahhhh fluoro is not as abrasion resistant nor does it have a longer lifespan than braid. That's not even all that's wrong with this list.
Ozark_Basser reply :
To the OP, braid vs fluoro is all about preference. Does braid cast farther than fluoro? Well, 20 lb braid will definitely cast farther than 20 lb fluoro because you can pack more line on with 20 lb braid, but really i've never noticed that big of a difference in casting distance between 50 lb braid and 15 lb fluoro, and yes braid sometimes bothers the fish.
Stretch is not always a bad thing either. It depends on your technique and/or what kind of rod you're using for that particular technique. Also keep in mind that your kind of have to adjust everything else if you want to fish braided line.
War Eagle 44 reply :
On 11/22/2014 at 12:45 PM, Auggie14 said:Yeahhhh fluoro is not as abrasion resistant nor does it have a longer lifespan than braid. That's not even all that's wrong with this list.
Fluorocarbon is absolutely more abrasion resistant than braid.
thehooligan reply :
Honestly, the only line I can't fault are copolys. Some Mono's have too much stretch, flouro is too unmanageable, and braid is visable in clear water.
Can't go wrong with braid/flouro leader setup or straight copoly. Coming from a braid lover, straight hybrid has been working great for me...
deep reply :
Castability is the last thing I look for in a line. Just saying.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/22/2014 at 2:27 PM, War Eagle 44 said:Fluorocarbon is absolutely more abrasion resistant than braid.
I would say that 20 lb fluoro could be more abrasion resistant than 20 lb braid depending on brand. But if you compare the two by line diameter, 20 lb fluoro is in no way shape or form more abrasion resistant than 50 lb braid unless you're comparing some cheap braid to some expensive fluoro, and it's still probably not as abrasion resistant.
I can flip and pitch to moderately heavy cover all day long without a single worry in the back of my head with 50 lb Seaguar Smackdown. If I were using 20 lb fluoro, I'd be checking my line every time I had to pull my bait through anything where the line touched the cover and would probably have to retie half the time.
The only fluoro I have used that I would be confident in throwing around pretty heavy cover all day without worrying too much is Toray's high end stuff. However, I haven't tried Sunline's fluoro made for flipping. Abrazx, Trilene 100%, P-line, Maxima, none of these would hold a candle to 50 lb Seaguar Smackdown.
iabass8 reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 9:34 AM, Auggie14 said:But if you compare the two by line diameter, 20 lb fluoro is in no way shape or form more abrasion resistant than 50 lb braid
i want whatever drugs you're on.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 1:15 PM, iabass8 said:
i want whatever drugs you're on.
Lol I'm not on any drugs, but do you not agree?
War Eagle 44 reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 1:27 PM, Auggie14 said:Lol I'm not on any drugs, but do you not agree?
No he's not going to agree because you're wrong! I'm really not trying to come across like I'm "attacking" you here because I'm not, I'm simply suggesting that you do a little testing for yourself. Braid, no matter the brand, isn't close to a quality fluorocarbon in this department.
aavery2 reply :
I don't find one line or the other makes that much difference in terms of casting distance in my fishing. I can cast most every reel I own consistently between 30-40 yards. There are a lot of variables that go into every cast, it is very difficult to make a blanket statement that one line out performs the other always. I prefer FC, on my reels other than my frog rod and spinning reels. It is just my preference and that does not make it right.
iabass8 reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 1:27 PM, Auggie14 said:Lol I'm not on any drugs, but do you not agree?
you are probably the only person i've ever heard say braided line is more abrasion resistant than fluocarbon. if we are talking heap 10-15$ fluoro, that's a bit closer. i fish in very heavily infested zebra muscled waters and use some very premium fluorocarbons. in no way shape, form, alter universe, w/e is braided line more abrasion resistant than fluorocarbon.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 1:36 PM, War Eagle 44 said:No he's not going to agree because you're wrong! I'm really not trying to come across like I'm "attacking" you here because I'm not, I'm simply suggesting that you do a little testing for yourself. Braid, no matter the brand, isn't close to a quality fluorocarbon in this department.
Do some testing? Can you read? I figured I made my experience with them both quite clear in my second to last post. If I go outside right now and stretch out both types of line in my hands and rub them on a tree, I will have some fluoro that will be torn all to hell, and some braid that I could probably reuse if I wanted to. If fluoro was so abrasion resistant than why isn't everybody throwing it on punching rigs and flipping super heavy cover? I have personally had fish break me off in not even that heavy of cover with fluoro. I can honestly say it has never happened with braid. However, I have only used the cheaper flatter braids one time and didn't like the way it fished so now I only buy 8 strand round braids like Sunline FX2 and Seaguar Smackdown.
On 11/23/2014 at 1:43 PM, iabass8 said:you are probably the only person i've ever heard say braided line is more abrasion resistant than fluocarbon. if we are talking heap 10-15$ fluoro, that's a bit closer. i fish in very heavily infested zebra muscled waters and use some very premium fluorocarbons. in no way shape, form, alter universe, w/e is braided line more abrasion resistant than fluorocarbon.
I do not think this is the case with Seaguar Smackdown and FX2. Have you fished with both of these in comparison? It is very difficult to get either of these lines knicked up at all. I had a frog wrapped up in a tree branch and seriously broke the not so small tree branch off of a tree with absolutely no damage to the 65 lb FX2 I was using. Can you say any fluoro on the market can do that?
iabass8 reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 2:27 PM, Auggie14 said:Do some testing? Can you read? I figured I made my experience with them both quite clear in my second to last post. If I go outside right now and stretch out both types of line in my hands and rub them on a tree, I will have some fluoro that will be torn all to hell, and some braid that I could probably reuse if I wanted to. If fluoro was so abrasion resistant than why isn't everybody throwing it on punching rigs and flipping super heavy cover? I have personally had fish break me off in not even that heavy of cover with fluoro. I can honestly say it has never happened with braid. However, I have only used the cheaper flatter braids one time and didn't like the way it fished so now I only buy 8 strand round braids like Sunline FX2 and Seaguar Smackdown.
I do not think this is the case with Seaguar Smackdown and FX2. Have you fished with both of these in comparison? It is very difficult to get either of these lines knicked up at all. I had a frog wrapped up in a tree branch and seriously broke the not so small tree branch off of a tree with absolutely no damage to the 65 lb FX2 I was using. Can you say any fluoro on the market can do that?
Can i say any fluoro ive used can come out of wood unharmed? ...yeah i can..
If you really think braided line is more abrasion resistant than fluoro...good luck to you. Im not going to argue with the 1% braid homer over winning the special olympics.
bassr95 reply :
I have never had manageability issues with flouro (or any other line) on a baitcaster. I would say that braid vs flouro has a lot to do with what rod you are putting the line on and the application. Braid will require a softer tipped rod to make up for the lack of stretch. I personally love flourocarbon for bottom contact baits due to the slack line sensitivity.
aavery2 reply :
Kind of a cool video, shows different lines tested for abrasion resistance in a very simple fashion. Worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C-SqIsZaE6s
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 2:36 PM, iabass8 said:Can i say any fluoro ive used can come out of wood unharmed? ...yeah i can..
If you really think braided line is more abrasion resistant than fluoro...good luck to you. Im not going to argue with the 1% braid homer over winning the special olympics.
So you haven't tried them. Thanks for your input based on experience.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 2:43 PM, aavery2 said:Kind of a cool video, shows different lines tested for abrasion resistance in a very simple fashion. Worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C-SqIsZaE6s
Those are all flat braids that are not near the quality of Smackdown or FX2. If you've fished with either, you know they are not even in the same ball league. Maybe you should read my past posts as well.
aavery2 reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 2:50 PM, Auggie14 said:Those are all flat braids that are not near the quality of Smackdown or FX2. If you've fished with either, you know they are not even in the same ball league. Maybe you should read my past posts as well.
I know you are getting a little upset, but I am not trying to argue with you. I have been using FX2 since it was released, it is a great braided line for many reasons. But I have to say that in my fishing when rocky area and zebra muscle are concerned it would never be my choice over a good FC line like Tatsu. I do use braid on my spinning reels in areas that have a high population of zebra muscle, it has been my experience that I have less break offs and cut line when I use a FC leader.
If you have tested both and braid is better for you then I would not change, but what I might do is experiment a little and confirm my results.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 2:59 PM, aavery2 said:I know you are getting a little upset, but I am not trying to argue with you. I have been using FX2 since it was released, it is a great braided line for many reasons. But I have to say that in my fishing when rocky area and zebra muscle are concerned it would never be my choice over a good FC line like Tatsu. I do use braid on my spinning reels in areas that have a high population of zebra muscle, it has been my experience that I have less break offs and cut line when I use a FC leader.
If you have tested both and braid is better for you then I would not change, but what I might do is experiment a little and confirm my results.
I hear ya man. However, it's a little aggravating when you try to make a point and people will try and tell you you're wrong when they don't even have any experience with what I'm talking about. It really puts good resources like this forum to shame when people come blabbing about something they have never even used. Typical internet bs.
I will make a video of this tomorrow testing 17 lb Seaguar Abrazx vs. 50 lb Seaguar Smackdown. Sorry I don't have any 20 lb fluoro, but it still would be no match. You'll be able to tell by the video. I'll use the same knife I use everyday to cut the tag ends from each one. Then I'll test it on a rock or whatever even though it won't matter.
aavery2 reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 3:15 PM, Auggie14 said:I hear ya man. However, it's a little aggravating when you try to make a point and people will try and tell you you're wrong when they don't even have any experience with what I'm talking about. It really puts good resources like this forum to shame when people come blabbing about something they have never even used. Typical internet bs.
I will make a video of this tomorrow testing 17 lb Seaguar Abrazx vs. 50 lb Seaguar Smackdown. Sorry I don't have any 20 lb fluoro, but it still would be no match. You'll be able to tell by the video. I'll use the same knife I use everyday to cut the tag ends from each one. Then I'll test it on a rock or whatever even though it won't matter.
Cool, I will look for your video. I know you boys over there in AR fish a lot of rocky area so it will be interesting to see what you come up with.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 3:18 PM, aavery2 said:Cool, I will look for your video. I know you boys over there in AR fish a lot of rocky area so it will be interesting to see what you come up with.
The White River chain of lakes is absolutely covered with rock. I just recently got to fish grass for the first time when I moved down to Little Rock.
aavery2 reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 3:24 PM, Auggie14 said:The White River chain of lakes is absolutely covered with rock. I just recently got to fish grass for the first time when I moved down to Little Rock.
My Grandparents were from Siloam Springs, I spent a lot of time on Beaver lake when I was growing up. My parents had a couple of lots over on Bull Shoals for a while also. I don't know if there are lakes any more beautiful than the lakes of the White River chain. Oh, and rocky might be an understatement.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 3:31 PM, aavery2 said:My Grandparents were from Siloam Springs, I spent a lot of time on Beaver lake when I was growing up. My parents had a couple of lots over on Bull Shoals for a while also. I don't know if there are lakes any more beautiful than the lakes of the White River chain. Oh, and rocky might be an understatement.
Lol. Yeah rocky is an understatement. If those lakes didn't have rocks they wouldn't have anything. I went to college over in Fayetteville which is just a skip hop away from Siloam. That's where me and my buddies would go to gamble lol.
masterbass reply :
As far as the OP's question, I use braid with various leaders. Most of my casting reels have 30lb pp or super slick and then depending on the technique I'll use fluoro or copoly in 6-20lb test. I find it a simpler system. That being said, next year I'm going to give straight fluoro a try on a couple of weightless plastic combos because I want to see the benefits of the slack line sensitivity. One thing I've learned over the years is to take advice from experienced people because they might be on to something. My biggest issue with fluoro has been the memory so I got some kvd line and lure and sniper.
doyle8218 reply :
On 11/22/2014 at 7:57 PM, thehooligan said:Honestly, the only line I can't fault are copolys. Some Mono's have too much stretch, flouro is too unmanageable, and braid is visable in clear water.
Can't go wrong with braid/flouro leader setup or straight copoly. Coming from a braid lover, straight hybrid has been working great for me...
Couldn't agree more.
iabass8 reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 2:27 PM, Auggie14 said:If fluoro was so abrasion resistant than why isn't everybody throwing it on punching rigs and flipping super heavy cover?
is this a serious question.....?
i mean...do you really think people don't use fluorocarbon punching/super heavy cover because "it isn't abrasion resistant".....lol
if you can't differentiate both and why X is used over Y in certain situations, perhaps you should stop arguing about "braid being more abrasion resistant than fluorocarbon" and do some reading.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/23/2014 at 11:44 PM, iabass8 said:is this a serious question.....?
i mean...do you really think people don't use fluorocarbon punching/super heavy cover because "it isn't abrasion resistant".....lol
if you can't differentiate both and why X is used over Y in certain situations, perhaps you should stop arguing about "braid being more abrasion resistant than fluorocarbon" and do some reading.
I don't need to do any reading. I actually use both quite often. I just went out in my shop and tested 17 lb Abrazx against 50 lb smackdown on a dull hatchet locked in a bench vice. Not even a comparison. I'll go buy some 20 lb Abrazx here in a bit and make a video this afternoon. Apparently this will be quite informative for everyone. So you just keep on posting stuff telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. Ummkay?
iabass8 reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 12:27 AM, Auggie14 said:I don't need to do any reading. I actually use both quite often. I just went out in my shop and tested 17 lb Abrazx against 50 lb smackdown on a dull hatchet locked in a bench vice. Not even a comparison. I'll go buy some 20 lb Abrazx here in a bit and make a video this afternoon. Apparently this will be quite informative for everyone. So you just keep on posting stuff telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. Ummkay?
If you really feel that a legitimate test of abrasion resistance is "going out to your shop and rubbing line on a hatchet" is a real world example then I, along with others, will tell you with the utmost certainty that you are delusional.Please post this video. We will need some entertainment between the afternoon and night game today.
if you would actually like to attempt to prove something, perhaps run the line through wet, sharp boulders or zebra muscles. even run the bait through dock cables. simply rubbing a line back and forth on a tree or a hatchet in your shop until you get your desired result is laughable at best.
also, i've used both lines.
i'll take 20# shooter for abrasion resistance before I choose any braided line.
On 11/23/2014 at 2:27 PM, Auggie14 said:If fluoro was so abrasion resistant than why isn't everybody throwing it on punching rigs and flipping super heavy cover?
Again....is this a serious question.....? Along with your video, I'd love to hear the explanation on this one.
ww2farmer reply :
I'm entertained already.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
roadwarrior reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 12:45 AM, ww2farmer said:I'm entertained already.
Deep breath...I am looking forward to the video, too!
aavery2 reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 12:42 AM, iabass8 said:if you would actually like to attempt to prove something, perhaps run the line through wet, sharp boulders or zebra muscles. even run the bait through dock cables. simply rubbing a line back and forth on a tree or a hatchet in your shop until you get your desired result is laughable at best.
I'm curious why you feel this will do nothing to show the abrasion resistance qualities of the lines he wants to test.
iabass8 reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 1:07 AM, aavery2 said:I'm curious why you feel this will do nothing to show the abrasion resistance qualities of the lines he wants to test.
i'm assuming you're referring to rubbing line on a hatchet or across a dry rock/tree. i didn't look at the video you posted but if it is indeed the video of the guy rubbing braid over a dry rock, that video and its faults were discussed at nausea about how it isn't comparable to a real world situation. if you cant' find the topics about it, i'll try and find them later on. noon-6 today are booked!
aavery2 reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 1:14 AM, iabass8 said:i'm assuming you're referring to rubbing line on a hatchet or across a dry rock/tree. i didn't look at the video you posted but if it is indeed the video of the guy rubbing braid over a dry rock, that video and its faults were discussed at nausea about how it isn't comparable to a real world situation. if you cant' find the topics about it, i'll try and find them later on. noon-6 today are booked!
As I have no idea what to search for, if you have some time later to post a link that would be very cool.
iabass8 reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 2:51 AM, aavery2 said:As I have no idea what to search for, if you have some time later to post a link that would be very cool.
For you aavery, the world.
War Eagle 44 reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 12:42 AM, iabass8 said:If you really feel that a legitimate test of abrasion resistance is "going out to your shop and rubbing line on a hatchet" is a real world example then I, along with others, will tell you with the utmost certainty that you are delusional.Please post this video. We will need some entertainment between the afternoon and night game today.
if you would actually like to attempt to prove something, perhaps run the line through wet, sharp boulders or zebra muscles. even run the bait through dock cables. simply rubbing a line back and forth on a tree or a hatchet in your shop until you get your desired result is laughable at best.
also, i've used both lines.
i'll take 20# shooter for abrasion resistance before I choose any braided line.
Again....is this a serious question.....? Along with your video, I'd love to hear the explanation on this one.
I'm with you 100%, and he told me I need to learn how to read... 
Ozark_Basser reply :
Didn't pick up any 20 lb but 17 lb wil show you everything you need to know.
Another thing to also consider about this video is that the Abrazx is brand new bought yesterday and has never seen any water besides the cup. The Smackdown is three months old and has been spooled on and off three different baitcast reels and has been put through utter hell. I also had to really bear down to break the Smackdown. Didn't take much effort at all to break the Abrazx.
I'm sure a naysayer is going to try and dog this video somehow, but if you can't see which one is more abrasion resistant for some strange reason then try it for yourself.
iabass8 reply :
I really hope you didn't spend a lot of time on this video.
that in no way shape or form proves your "theory"
you rubbed line back and forth with pressure on both ends against a wet rock. How does that prove anything? That was a serious question....I'm actually interested in how you think your test relates to real world fishing applications and actual abrasion resistance.
On 11/23/2014 at 2:27 PM, Auggie14 said:If fluoro was so abrasion resistant than why isn't everybody throwing it on punching rigs and flipping super heavy cover?
I'm still interested in hearing the explanation behind this gem as well. Do you really think people don't punch /w fluoro because it "isn't as abrasion resistant as braid".....
aavery2 reply :
I would like for you both to take a look at this link, and see what you think about the method used to test the lines and the results.
http://home.comcast.net/~estero69/site/?/page/_Page_01__/&PHPSESSID=f9a6cf043fa0e7f83edba4e2520e475a
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
Looks to me like smackdown handle a bit better. Ive had bass rub my powerpro along rocks which would be similar to your test though my pp didnt last that long. I dont think the pressure of my line on rock was as hard as what it seemed you put on your test either. So I think your test has some practicality to it.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Seems like the amount of heat generated on the carbon, during your bench test, has as much to do with the failure as anything else, including the unmeasurable amount of pressure applied during your test. I know that heat had to play a role in this result.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 10:12 AM, Alonerankin2 said:Seems like the amount of heat generated on the carbon, during your bench test, has as much to do with the failure as anything else, including the unmeasurable amount of pressure applied during your test. I know that heat had to play a role in this result.
So braid has better heat dissipating capabilities than fc another plus for braid
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 9:49 AM, iabass8 said:I really hope you didn't spend a lot of time on this video.
that in no way shape or form proves your "theory"
you rubbed line back and forth with pressure on both ends against a wet rock. How does that prove anything? That was a serious question....I'm actually interested in how you think your test relates to real world fishing applications and actual abrasion resistance.
I'm still interested in hearing the explanation behind this gem as well. Do you really think people don't punch /w fluoro because it "isn't as abrasion resistant as braid".....
Hokay pal. What do you want me to do? Do the exact same thing underwater? It would make no difference. It would also make no difference if I did the same thing much slower to try and emulate your version of "real world fishing applications." Like there's some kind of magical difference between forces applied on your line when your fishing or not. Both the line and the rock were wet, and if I tried to mimic how a rod would be pulling each line over the rock, it would just take longer, but it would still yield the same result.
What this simple test does show is which line is tougher (i.e. abrasion resistant), and Smackdown is definitely tougher.
As far as people punching with fluoro vs. braid. There probably are people doing it I'd say. my mistake. I wouldn't do it just because fluoro sucks for knot strength compared to braid. Fluoro's too hard and it digs into itself on knots. You're putting more pressure on a fish when you catch one punching than anything else....and did I mention fluoro's not gonna hold up to the abuse like braid. Not all braids though. Just FX2 and Smackdown.
I can't help but notice you keep trying to put me down for making that comment. Sounds just like someone trying to recover from getting proven wrong. That's petty, but whatever bro.
Why don't you post a video showing how Smackdown is not as abrasion resistant as Abrazx, and then you'll have some actual proof to support that mouth of yours. If you have nothing that shows an inkling of proof besides your greasy little fingertips typing away at your keyboard or phone or whatever, then I'm done arguing with you.
Btw that was the first take. It wasn't that difficult of a point to make, thus not that difficult of a video to record. I like how once again you try to put me down for making the video in the first place which is also pretty petty.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 10:12 AM, Alonerankin2 said:Seems like the amount of heat generated on the carbon, during your bench test, has as much to do with the failure as anything else, including the unmeasurable amount of pressure applied during your test. I know that heat had to play a role in this result.
If I took a 3 second break between pulls it wouldn't matter. I'd still get the same result. I've tried it. Heat plays a small role I'd say, but it's not even a noticeable difference.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 9:59 AM, aavery2 said:I would like for you both to take a look at this link, and see what you think about the method used to test the lines and the results.
http://home.comcast.net/~estero69/site/?/page/_Page_01__/&PHPSESSID=f9a6cf043fa0e7f83edba4e2520e475a
I agree completely, but those braids aren't smackdown or FX2. I've tried fireline and spiderwire, and yes, the abrasion resistance is garbage compared to fluoro, but it's a whole different ballgame with the two I'm defending.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 10:12 AM, Alonerankin2 said:Seems like the amount of heat generated on the carbon, during your bench test, has as much to do with the failure as anything else, including the unmeasurable amount of pressure applied during your test. I know that heat had to play a role in this result.
And there wasn't even enough time to generate THAT much heat really. It snapped pretty quick with not even that much pressure which would also affect heat dissipation.
iabass8 reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 10:43 AM, Auggie14 said:Hokay pal. What do you want me to do? Do the exact same thing underwater? It would make no difference. It would also make no difference if I did the same thing much slower to try and emulate your version of "real world fishing applications." Like there's some kind of magical difference between forces applied on your line when your fishing or not. Both the line and the rock were wet, and if I tried to mimic how a rod would be pulling each line over the rock, it would just take longer, but it would still yield the same result.
It would actually make all the difference. Your "test" showed a video of you pulling down line /w force on each end trying to break the line. That isn't abrasion resistance smarty pants. All you did was break line over a rock with a non constant amount of pressure applied from each end. An actual test would have shown something along the lines of your dragging a line attached to a lure over an abrasive surface. Again..all you did was break the line in a matter of seconds. I'm unaware of any fishing situation where I throw a bait into a situation where my bait will break off in a manner in which you depicted..and I fish some of the most heavily infested zebra muscled areas in the country.
There actually is a "magical difference" between what you showed and what actually happens when fishing In what scenario is a bait pushed down on each end over an object /w that much force?
On 11/24/2014 at 10:43 AM, Auggie14 said:
What this simple test does show is which line is tougher (i.e. abrasion resistant), and Smackdown is definitely tougher.
As far as people punching with fluoro vs. braid. There probably are people doing it I'd say. my mistake. I wouldn't do it just because fluoro sucks for knot strength compared to braid. Fluoro's too hard and it digs into itself on knots. You're putting more pressure on a fish when you catch one punching than anything else....and did I mention fluoro's not gonna hold up to the abuse like braid. Not all braids though. Just FX2 and Smackdown.
Nobody /w half a braid would ever argue fluoro is more appropriate for punching.
I hate braid and I use it for punching 11 times out of 10.
On 11/24/2014 at 10:43 AM, Auggie14 said:
I can't help but notice you keep trying to put me down for making that comment. Sounds just like someone trying to recover from getting proven wrong. That's petty, but whatever bro.
I haven't been "proven wrong" on anything. I seriously cannot believe you are still on the "braid is more abrasion resistance than fluoro". it's getting more funny than anything. If you wish, we can take this subject over to TT as well. i'm sure others would love to hear this comedic gold.
On 11/24/2014 at 10:43 AM, Auggie14 said:
Why don't you post a video showing how Smackdown is not as abrasion resistant as Abrazx, and then you'll have some actual proof to support that mouth of yours. If you have nothing that shows an inkling of proof besides your greasy little fingertips typing away at your keyboard or phone or whatever, then I'm done arguing with you.
I sure will post a video about it. It's going to have to wait until late March/Early April next year though.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 11/24/2014 at 11:13 AM, iabass8 said:It would actually make all the difference. Your "test" showed a video of you pulling down line /w force on each end trying to break the line. That isn't abrasion resistance smarty pants. All you did was break line over a rock with a non constant amount of pressure applied from each end. An actual test would have shown something along the lines of your dragging a line attached to a lure over an abrasive surface. Again..all you did was break the line in a matter of seconds. I'm unaware of any fishing situation where I throw a bait into a situation where my bait will break off in a manner in which you depicted..and I fish some of the most heavily infested zebra muscled areas in the country.
There actually is a "magical difference" between what you showed and what actually happens when fishing In what scenario is a bait pushed down on each end over an object /w that much force?
Nobody /w half a braid would ever argue fluoro is more appropriate for punching.
I hate braid and I use it for punching 11 times out of 10.
I haven't been "proven wrong" on anything. I seriously cannot believe you are still on the "braid is more abrasion resistance than fluoro". it's getting more funny than anything. If you wish, we can take this subject over to TT as well. i'm sure others would love to hear this comedic gold.
I sure will post a video about it. It's going to have to wait until late March/Early April next year though.
Sure I used uneven pressure from both sides of the line which doesn't make the test completely viable, but I could do the same experiment 100 times and get the same result. Do you not agree? Or do you think I just got lucky the first time? This gives a great deal of accuracy to the test.
There is no "magical difference." Do you really think the correlation of the total amount of force needed to break each line due to abrasion is going to change that much if you slowly drag each against a rock with your rod till they break or if you rub each against a wet rock with your hands? You shouldn't. The only thing affecting the correlation of the total amount of forces between the two systems (i.e. 1. wet rock - 2. wet rock underwater) is the fact that they are underwater in one and not the other. In fact out on the water, Abrazx stands even less of a chance compared to the wet rock test because it has a faster sink rate than braid which only allows more of a chance to get scuffed up and cause a break off, and not to mention less friction force needed to supply the total amount of force needed to cause the break which may be a minute factor in this case, but still.
So whether you are dragging a jig slowly over a jagged rock or rubbing it rapidly over the same rock out of water with your hands, there is a total amount of fricton force or abrasion force needed to fray and break the lines which defines abrasion resistance.
Is this not how you define abrasion resistance? Your post about you not breaking off as much in zebra muscles with fluoro as opposed to braid suggests you do. Either way, I'm done arguing in this thread, and I bet my boots you'll post a video this spring. Of course you'll post a video in the spring. I just know it. Give me a break.
I'm not trying to make a general statement that all braid is more abrasion resistant than fluorocarbon. Stop implying that. Smackdown and FX2 most certainly are more abrasion resistant than any other I have used including Sunline Shooter, period.
Bluebasser86 reply :
You guys are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one,
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