kistler rods ? 2024

blade reply :

Have anyone had any experience with kistler company as far as warranty replacement on thier rods? I broke one this weekend and was wanting to know what to expect.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

They replaced a magnesium for me last year with no fuss, they paid shipping and everything. The epoxy was peeling, 1st run had issues.

Jimzee reply :

I have had nothing but great service with Kistler rods. I own seven rods from the Graphite to the LTX II line. Trey will treat you right on a replacement. Give him a call and tell him your situation. You will probably have the rod by the end of the week.

Lightninrod reply :

What they said!

Dan

RoLo reply :

I don't wish to hijack Blade's thread, but I'm intrigued by the Kistler Helium blanks.

Do we have a Kistler Helium owner out there, who also owns another premium rod?

For instance a St Croix tournament series, Loomis, Daiwa Steez or Daiwa Cielo.

If so, how does the Kistler Helium compare to the other premium rod

with respect to weight, sensitivity and overall performance?

Thanx

Roger

The_Natural reply :

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Have anyone had any experience with kistler company as far as warranty replacement on thier rods? I broke one this weekend and was wanting to know what to expect.

Please let us know how old the rod is, how you broke it, and report on your experience with getting a replacement. This will be helpful info for future threads...

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but I'm intrigued by the Kistler Helium blanks.

The first year of the Helium, in '04, Kistler used a Rainshadow blank. It was a good blank, and several custom rod builders also used the Rainshadow blanks. In '05, Kistler struck up a deal with Batson, and started using their components exclusively...blanks, guides, and reel seats. I've read quite a few posts about fitament issues with the Batson reel seats over the past 2 years, but I read that Kistler recently made the switch to Fuji. I owned two of the graphite plus series for a week, and have held and played around with the Helium and LTX II several times, but have not fished with them. I didn't like one thing about my graphite plus series, which I thought were tip-heavy and had the look and feel of a $60 or $70 rod, but the Helium users are a pretty loyal following. I'd just weigh all your options before you decide.

guest reply :

Please keep us updated.

What's the latest?

blade reply :

First off yes I do or have owned other premium rods (loomis, st. croix, diawa, shimano, etc.) and Kistlers are by FAR the lightest most sensitive rods I have ever fished with, sometimes I think I can feel fish breath on my bait. I currently own 7 of their rods ( 2 magnesium, 4 helium, 1 helium II ltx) and love every one of them. I would highly recommend them, they are alittle costly but I think they are worth every penny. I am in the process to converting scritly to kistler rods.

The rod I broke was around 2 years old, it was a magnesium ts jig-n-toad rod 7 foot heavy action. I broke it on hookset while flipping a bed in 5 foot of water with a brush hog. It was around 3 pound fish

I was using 20 pound p-line cxx. It broke about half way down the blank, good clean break.

I contacted Trey which is the owner/founder of the kistler company and he assured me that he would take care of it and have by new rod on the way just as soon as he recieved the broken one and everything checked out. So we will see, I think he will stand by his word.

But yes I think kistlers have some of the finest rods on the market today. The helium 2 ltx are the best but the helium lta are the same blank just deffirent guides and grips. The magnesium series are fine rods are under $200 most places they run $179. the lta run around $229 and the ltx are around $300. if someone wanted to try them out I would sugeest starting with the Helium LTA rod series, you can find good deals on them on e-bay sometimes but just pay attention because some rods on thier are reparied rods and have no warranty, but they are usualyy cheap so that might be agood way to try them too. Will keep posted as to what happens

Lightninrod reply :

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I don't wish to hijack Blade's thread, but I'm intrigued by the Kistler Helium blanks.

Do we have a Kistler Helium owner out there, who also owns another premium rod?

For instance a St Croix tournament series, Loomis, Daiwa Steez or Daiwa Cielo.

If so, how does the Kistler Helium compare to the other premium rod

with respect to weight, sensitivity and overall performance?

Thanx

Roger

I have owned and used 7 LTA Heliums. I have since gotten some Megabass rods that cost twice as much as the LTAs but are heavier(my 7' Medium Helium floated when I knocked it overboard and that was with a Daiwa TD-Z, fluro line and a lure on it) and not as sensitive as the Heliums. I still have 3 Heliums and recently landed a 7 lb Bass with my 7' Medium. There are other reasons why I got some MB rods.

Dan

Bass Pro reply :

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The helium 2 ltx are the best but the helium lta are the same blank just deffirent guides and grips.

The LTX and LTA use different blanks. The LTX has a faster taper and uses higher modulus graphite.

RoLo reply :

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I have owned and used 7 LTA Heliums. I have since gotten some Megabass rods that cost twice as much as the LTAs but are heavier(my 7' Medium Helium floated when I knocked it overboard and that was with a Daiwa TD-Z, fluro line and a lure on it) and not as sensitive as the Heliums. I still have 3 Heliums and recently landed a 7 lb Bass with my 7' Medium. There are other reasons why I got some MB rods.
Dan

Thanks for your reply Dan.

I was afraid I'd hear that, it's only May and already I've got my Christmas list started

Roger

cajun1977. reply :

ive also got a kistler rod about two months old but the hook keeper broke off...im not disapointed and wont bash them as some others will bash...but i need to find a rod tube to send it back to them does the post office haave them..i also emailed them to see if they cover shipping cause lbh said they covered his so ill post a reply when i receive it...oh by the way i love my kistler i call the ts the terribly sexy

Lightninrod reply :

Recent interview with Trey Kistler

Dan

roadwarrior reply :

Kistler bashing is all about their marketing scam.

Maybe they have achieved a level of excellence, but for those of us that have looked at the rods and followed their brief history, it's just marketing hype. The first Kistlers were "Comparable to a Loomis, but at a better price." Well, in fact they had "issues" and components often fell off; the original blanks were replaced by another manufacturer, guides and reel seats changed. Significant "quality control" problems have been chronic. The initial pitch was a "state of the art" hook holder.

The original Kistler was NOT comparable to a G.Loomis.

I'm not going to keep pounding them and I have VERY high regard for some of our members that are sponsored by Kistler, pro staff and/or friends of the owner. If the company's reputation improves in a couple of years maybe I'll consider buying a rod, but Kistler's history does not support such strong endorsements.

At a comparable price, there are some great rods made by companies that have built their reputation over decades. I'm a BIG fan of some of those companies.

blade reply :

Try you a kistler RW and you will to be converted to fishing with the best there is... I have had/used some of the other rods that are supposed to be the best there is and they don't hold a candle to kistlers, the ltx line of rods weigh in at an unbelievable 3 ounces you can't find that anywhere else, not to mention the sensitivity. Not going to keep bragging on them just get off your tail and go buy one and get ready to be hooked :)

5bass reply :

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Try you a kistler RW and you will to be converted to fishing with the best there is... I have had/used some of the other rods that are supposed to be the best there is and they don't hold a candle to kistlers, the ltx line of rods weigh in at an unbelievable 3 ounces you can't find that anywhere else, not to mention the sensitivity. Not going to keep bragging on them just get off your tail and go buy one and get ready to be hooked :)

You dont know RW very well, do you? ;D Kistler could send RW 10 LTX's and 10 Heliums for free, he'd throw them around a little, send them back and apologize to his Loomis rods for being unloyal. ;D

Laineisbosshog reply :

Kistler sent me a replacment rod with no questions asked. i love all the kistlers i have.

lubina reply :

I only have one LTA Helium in my collection of IMX, GLX, Airrus, Seeker, Rogue, Powell, Okuma and Shimano......this is the rod ( and reel ) which I can cast the smaller and lighter lures....by using this set, 2/3 of my spinning tackle became obsoleted.

JayW reply :

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Have anyone had any experience with kistler company as far as warranty replacement on thier rods? I broke one this weekend and was wanting to know what to expect.

Please let us know how old the rod is, how you broke it, and report on your experience with getting a replacement. This will be helpful info for future threads...

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but I'm intrigued by the Kistler Helium blanks.

The first year of the Helium, in '04, Kistler used a Rainshadow blank. It was a good blank, and several custom rod builders also used the Rainshadow blanks. In '05, Kistler struck up a deal with Batson, and started using their components exclusively...blanks, guides, and reel seats. I've read quite a few posts about fitament issues with the Batson reel seats over the past 2 years, but I read that Kistler recently made the switch to Fuji. I owned two of the graphite plus series for a week, and have held and played around with the Helium and LTX II several times, but have not fished with them. I didn't like one thing about my graphite plus series, which I thought were tip-heavy and had the look and feel of a $60 or $70 rod, but the Helium users are a pretty loyal following. I'd just weigh all your options before you decide.

I'm always amazed how that a high dollar rod can be built with such cheap components and blanks. Rainshadow blanks are ok, but nothing compared to the $$$ they wants for the Kistlers. The Batson stuff is junk! Hopefully they have made the switch to Fuji. I wouldn't have anything but Fuji components on a rod. Batson components are CHEAP! I build rods and Kistler must have been making a killing on their rods using Rainshadow blanks and Batson guides and reel seats!

acar555 reply :

I don't know what blanks the Helium rods use but I do know that I love my Helium rods and find that they are worth the money. It is one of the lightest, strongest, most sensitive rods made period.

Bud reply :

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It is one of the lightest most sensitive rods made period.

In your opinion

5bass reply :

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It is one of the lightest most sensitive rods made period.

In your opinion

And mine.

Hookemdown. reply :

I'll decide for you guys... just need a few samples...

JayW reply :

Anyone can build a lite rod. They leave stuff off like fore grips and use lite guides and lite epoxy. Anyone could build a lite rod, but lite is not always better. My only problem with them is that they were using Batson components and they are some of the cheapest components on the market! I'm just amazed when they sell a rod for what they do and have very little in it money wise and people shell out the $$$ just because it's lite. Does anyone know if they even spine test their rods?

blade reply :

don't know about spine testing but do know they stand behind the rods because my brand new one came in yesterday. As far as the components I have never had an issue with them Kistler makes the best rods available IMO. They are no doubt the lightest and that does matter because a lighter rod is a more sensitive rod. So is1jay don't be bashing them just because you can't build a rod that light and get people to shell out $$$ money to you for them.

JayW reply :

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Kistler makes the best rods available IMO.

Hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

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So is1jay don't be bashing them just because you can't build a rod that light and get people to shell out $$$ money to you for them.

Well, at lest mine have quality components.

Just so you know... I'm not in the rod building business. I have a business, but not making rods. I started making my own rods because I couldn't find what I wanted in a rod and had a friend who had been building rods since 1970. He taught me how and I started making my own. I do build rods for other people, but usually only a friend or a friend of a friend. I don't have the time to start making rods as a business. Just wanted to make that clear. I'm not in the rod building business.

To all the Kistler owners... I'm not really trying to bash them. If they are now using Fuji components as someone stated... I'm sure they are a much better rod for it! 8-)

guest reply :

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They replaced a magnesium for me last year with no fuss, they paid shipping and everything. The epoxy was peeling, 1st run had issues.

Like I said on another thread.

I believe quality control should happen BEFORE the product gets to market.

guest reply :

After reading the interview.......

I find his comments that the average guy wouldn't understand about this stuff to be offensive.

IMO he came off as a condescending little snot, who thinks his customers are too dumb and "can't handle the truth".

I also do not believe that is his reason. My guess is that he doesn't use any one blank. He probably has several manufactures that he deals with and on any given day will buy lots from whoever has the quantities he needs at the price he wants to pay. In other words I'm saying that you and I can have can have the same model rod, but your blank is a rogue and mine is something else. I can uncerstand not wanting to advertise that fact, but blaming the customer for being too dumb to understand is insulting and based on what I believe, dishonest.

As far as swithcing components I don't buy the 'fuji defect" secenario. Sure they face issues but other rod companies seem to work through it. I think it was just another smoke screen to cover up the fact that he is "shopping around" like he does with blanks.

I don't own a Kistler rod. Dan and others who I greatly respect think they are outstanding, so I will accept that it is a great rod.

My problem is with Trey. I think he is a slippery double talker who points the finger at others, to cover up his cost driven and inconsistant component buying policies.

In light of how I feel about his business ethics, I also find it hard to accept his religeous enlightenment. I'm not saying it's a ploy to sell rods, but when you haven't earned my respect I take these proclamations of 'divine guidance" with a grain of proverbial salt.

I would like to try a high end Kistler. The devotees, really think they are the greatest, but based on principle I won't buy one new.

Bass Pro reply :

"My only problem with them is that they were using Batson components and they are some of the cheapest components on the market!"

Actually, the pac bay reel seats Kistler uses costs more than Fuji. Just go to mudhole.com and research it a little before you repete non-truths. That is exactly how rumors get spread around the net and folks start thinking it's the truth.

Oh by the way, Kistler actually uses MORE thread wrap and epoxy vs other rods. Just compare them to any other rod, side by side, and you will see that the Kistlers have larger framed guides and bigger thread wraps, thus, more epoxy. So much for your theory that they use the bare minimun to make their rods light.

JayW reply :

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"My only problem with them is that they were using Batson components and they are some of the cheapest components on the market!"
Actually, the pac bay reel seats Kistler uses costs more than Fuji. Just go to mudhole.com and research it a little before you repete non-truths. That is exactly how rumors get spread around the net and folks start thinking it's the truth.

Oh by the way, Kistler actually uses MORE thread wrap and epoxy vs other rods. Just compare them to any other rod, side by side, and you will see that the Kistlers have larger framed guides and bigger thread wraps, thus, more epoxy. So much for your theory that they use the bare minimun to make their rods light.

Wow! You sound like a real pro! :

What Fuji real seats are you comparing them to? I go to Mudhole all the time. I've been in their warehouse.

As far as more thread goes... it means nothing but more weight! I was talking about lite build epoxy vs high build. not lite on the epoxy! I meant they use lite epoxy to keep the rods lite. Not that they don't use enough. Nothing really wrong with that unless you're fighting really big fish (Snook, Reds, ETC)

Standard Pac Bay reel seat at Mud hole: Your Price: $3.05 $5.75

Standard Fuji reel seat at Mud hole: Your Price: $4.52 $6.58

Maybe you need to do a little more research!

Oh, and what size guides do the Kistlers have? Give me the specs please. I know they use low profile guides to reduce weight as well. I think you really have misunderstood my point. I was pointing out that anyone can build a lite rod using lite components.

1 more thing... Pac Bay makes some decent stuff! I prefer Fuji, but Pac Bay is not junk!

Bass Pro reply :

Your prices are off because you are not comparing the same models. You compared fuji exposed to pac bay non-exposed reel seat. However, if you compare like models - exposed reel seat vs exposed reel seat, then you will see Fuji cost less. Here is a direct copy and paste from www.mudhole.com (comparing like models)

Fuji ECSM Reel Seat: Your Price: $3.84 $5.27

Pac Bay Exposed Blank Reel Seat: Your Price: $4.94 $5.76

Bottomline is- if you don't like Kistler that is fine, don't buy their rods! But if you don't like Kistler, you shouldn't say they use cheap components when actually they do not. Kistler makes some fine rods, haven't you seen the pics of all those hogs Lightninrod AKA Dan has caught with his Kistlers?

flechero reply :

I certainly hope no one reading this thread makes a buying decision based on all the hear say, slander and BS that's written in this thread.

And no, I have never owned a Kistler product.

JayW reply :

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Your prices are off because you are not comparing the same models. You compared fuji exposed to pac bay non-exposed reel seat. However, if you compare like models - exposed reel seat vs exposed reel seat, then you will see Fuji cost less. Here is a direct copy and paste from www.mudhole.com (comparing like models)
Fuji ECSM Reel Seat: Your Price: $3.84 $5.27

Pac Bay Exposed Blank Reel Seat: Your Price: $4.94 $5.76

Bottomline is- if you don't like Kistler that is fine, don't buy their rods! But if you don't like Kistler, you shouldn't say they use cheap components when actually they do not. Kistler makes some fine rods, haven't you seen the pics of all those hogs Lightninrod AKA Dan has caught with his Kistlers?

No. You're still wrong. I compared 2 of the same types. Fuji doesn't list a exposed reel seat in their deluxe line on the Mudhole site for some reason. I compared 2 standard reel seats. There is a difference. Besides, I said said I didn't have a problem with Pac Bay. I just prefer Fuji.

As far as people catching hogs with them. I've seen people catch hogs on Zebcos!

I think you're getting all worked up because you have Kistler rods and feel the need to defend them since you like them. More power to you. You speak your mind and I'll speak mine. The facts are that Kistler is only a rod builder! They don't make their own blanks like St Croix or Loomis or some of the others. The do what I do. Build rods using other peoples components! Those are the fact.

JayW reply :

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I certainly hope no one reading this thread makes a buying decision based on all the hear say, slander and BS that's written in this thread.
And no, I have never owned a Kistler product.

Just so you know... I have only posted the facts. No BS here!

And for the note... You may have the cheapest POS rod in the world and never have a blank, guide or reel seat failure. No one said cheaper components won't work. It's just with rod building, you have your Lexus models and then you have your Kia models.

And no. I'm not comparing the Kistler to a Kia.

Jeez... now I'm gonna have all the people who drive Kia's mad at me! :-?

sal669 reply :

Lighten up, guys ...

I do not own and i will never own a Kistler product because Charlie Ingram and his "unpaid" advertisment show "Fishing University" (or something like that!?) praises so much the "Kistlers" and almost always the guy in the back of the boat outfishes him !!!! ;D

BTW, I like how he holds his rod, straight up to the sky ...

Just go out and fish, whatever rods you own.

Tight lines

flechero reply :

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...It's just with rod building, you have your Lexus models and then you have your Kia models.

Yes, I'm mildly familiar with rod building...

and still- "I certainly hope no one reading this thread makes a buying decision based on all the hear say, slander and BS that's written in this thread."

Lightninrod reply :

Kistler vs Tarpon:

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OK, here are the pictures of the 140lb. tarpon, I caught on the HE70TXHC. I did not get a good close up but I think you see the trouble I was in. The fish was landed.

No, that's not me.

10 lber on a Kistler Mag:

My PB, 9 lbs even, on one of my Heliums and a Matt's Baby Bass

And yes, they are light enough to float:

Dan

5bass reply :

Excellent post Lightnin Rod!

The_Natural reply :

Oh No! Look what Dan started ;D! I love and respect ol' Dan, so this is somewhat light hearted, but my opinion is implying that a rod is great because it can reel in a big fish and not break will give the ugly stick/zebco 33 guys a field day! They could post pics of shark-sized catfish and carp they catch daily on those spin casters! I just feel most any rod can reel in a big fish...they caught a 200+lb Tiger Shark with the pocket fisherman...I saw the infomercial (seriously...they did!).

Lightninrod reply :

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Oh No! Look what Dan started ;D! I love and respect ol' Dan, so this is somewhat light hearted, but my opinion is implying that a rod is great because it can reel in a big fish and not break will give the ugly stick/zebco 33 guys a field day! They could post pics of shark-sized catfish and carp they catch daily on those spin casters! I just feel most any rod can reel in a big fish...they caught a 200+lb Tiger Shark with the pocket fisherman...I saw the infomercial (seriously...they did!).

No problem TN. I was just pointing out even though Heliums are light-in-weight, that can still handle big fish and not just Bass Ugly sticks are not light-in-weight and yes, they too can bring in big fish but fishing with a Helium for hours at a time will not tire one out as much as some heavier rods will.

Btw, a well balanced rod will feel light-in-weight too......

Dan

lubina reply :

Great pics Lightninrod.....specially the last one ;D

timistall reply :

I have a LTA and I'd rather fish with my GLX.

-badhabit- reply :

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I have a LTA and I'd rather fish with my GLX.

Rather? ......... You do fish with the GLX and do very well with it.

The reel seat on the LTA here won't tighten up on the Zillion and the rod isn't that sensitive anyway = Kistler retired.

G-Blanks are much better (recieved #3 today).

guest reply :

They are so light they float?

Dan, we have been through this before. This is part of the old kistler hype that went along with their "best hook keeper" nonesense.

Yes, the rod will float for awhile with a TD-Z on it, but so will a Loomis. I know because i have had one float away from me and just picked it up off of the surface.

Now please, let's get this settled once and for all.

I don't care how light or heavy something is when it comes to floatabilty.

Example. An aircraft carrier is made of thousands of tons of steel. It floats.

a strand of flurocarbon line weighs a fraction of an ounce. It sinks.

Dan, You are the consumate gentleman, and one of the finest people on the forums.

You have great experiences and enjoyment fishing Kistler rods. That, my friend is a powerfull endorsement.

-badhabit- reply :

These are even lighter than LTA's and much more sensitive.

The New & the Old .......... a couple of my combos (2 of 15)

(top: 6'10" Heavy/Fast G-Blanks 3.3 oz w/ Zillion 100SHA - Bottom: 6'10" MH/Fast G-Blanks 3.3 oz w/ TD-ito 103M. Both rods were built on Shikari Blanks)

As long as you are happy with what you have then nothing else matters.

blade reply :

for the record... a kistler helium II ltx weighs in at 3.1 ounces so g-blanks are not lighter

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for the record... a kistler helium II ltx weighs in at 3.1 ounces so g-blanks are not lighter

That's their ltx 6'6" MH

I said LTA which is heavier than the G-Blanks ( There is one of both right here). Also $349 for the LTX compared to a G-Blanks which is built 1 at a time for $125 and as sensitive or more than the LTX is a bargin.

I catch quite a few big fish and pressure rods hard. The G-Blanks don't have the reel seat problems Kistler is famous for and they don't make noises when you have a big fish on the line. They are a much better rod than the LTA. I haven't tried a LTX yet and they may have fixed some of those problems for the extra $100 over the LTA.

JayW reply :

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for the record... a kistler helium II ltx weighs in at 3.1 ounces so g-blanks are not lighter

Keep in mind that Kistler uses someone elses blanks. Loomis makes their own (and they are awesome blanks might I add!). Anyone could make a rod as lite as the Kistler if they chose to! I'm not sure if Kistler still uses the Rainshadow blanks, but they are made by Batson or at least Batson carries them. I've looked through them before. I didn't care for them. I prefer St Croix, Lamiglass or Loomis blanks.

People want to argue about how good the Kistler copmponents are, yet, I always hear about reel seat problems, hook keeper problems, guide rings popping out, epoxy failure, ETC... These are the facts. If you have a Kistler that is a "good one" be happy for it! You are one of the lucky ones.

We all have the right to chose what we like and what we don't. I have no problem with the people who like the Kistlers. I'm just pointing out some simple facts that some don't want to believe.

blade reply :

where are g-blanks made at, i can't find any info about them

-badhabit- reply :

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where are g-blanks made at, i can't find any info about them

Tulsa, OK

http://www.imaginationbassin.com/gblanksproducts.htm

ls1jay - G. Loomis's brother bought out Shikari Blanks recently and that's the blanks G-Blanks uses also.

JayW reply :

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where are g-blanks made at, i can't find any info about them

Tulsa, OK

http://www.imaginationbassin.com/gblanksproducts.htm

ls1jay - G. Loomis's brother bought out Shikari Blanks recently and that's the blanks G-Blanks uses also.

Shikari blanks are awesome too! I have a couple in my collection.

Pond Hopper reply :

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Wow what a thread....
Shimano buys G-Loomis and introduces the expeditor system, Gary's brother (part owner of ATC) buys Shikäri, and then they change the mandrels for some of the best blanks made (the SHX). Tons of BS back and forth on Kistler's rods.

Wow figured most of you would be on a lake somewhere catching your PB's, on your favorite sticks, instead of feeding the longest thread on misinformation I have read in years...

I never knew there were so many rod experts out there.

Yeah the mud slinging on this thread has been kind of disappointing, although a little comical at times. Some like them and some dont, just like eveyrthing else. ;D

RoLo reply :

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Wow what a thread....
Shimano buys G-Loomis and introduces the expeditor system, Gary's brother (part owner of ATC) buys Shikäri, and then they change the mandrels for some of the best blanks made (the SHX). Tons of BS back and forth on Kistler's rods.

Wow figured most of you would be on a lake somewhere catching your PB's, on your favorite sticks, instead of feeding the longest thread on misinformation I have read in years...

I never knew there were so many rod experts out there.

Reel Mech, I never owned a Kistler blank but am seriously thinking of giving one a shot.

After sifting through all the posts, I feel a little a pushed-and-pulled without any solid direction.

I'd really like to hear your professional opinion of the Kistler LTX, any Pros or Cons that you might want to share.

Roger

5bass reply :

Reel Mech, I know this thread is full of BS and some people are misrepresenting certain products......so please drop some knowledge on these guys.

Also Reel Mech, have you ever FISHED a Kistler?

guest reply :

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Wow figured most of you would be on a lake somewhere catching your PB's, on your favorite sticks, instead of feeding the longest thread on misinformation I have read in years

Ok RM, you opened the door now you gotta walk through.

What's the misinformation you see?

What is the truth according to ReelMech?

respectfully,

avid.

PS. If it wasn't for threads like this we could all resign after learning "How do I T-rig a plastic worm? ;D

JayW reply :

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Tons of BS back and forth on Kistler's rods.
Wow figured most of you would be on a lake somewhere catching your PB's, on your favorite sticks, instead of feeding the longest thread on misinformation I have read in years...

I never knew there were so many rod experts out there.

Would you mind pointing out the "BS" & "misinformation" ?

Since you've been building rods for so long, maybe you can clear things up for us.

BTW, I'm being serious. I'm not trying to sound smart. I would just like to hear what you have to say about it.

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Wow figured most of you would be on a lake somewhere catching your PB's, on your favorite sticks, instead of feeding the longest thread on misinformation I have read in years

Ok RM, you opened the door now you gotta walk through.

What's the misinformation you see?

What is the truth according to ReelMech?

respectfully,

avid.

PS. If it wasn't for threads like this we could all resign after learning "How do I T-rig a plastic worm? ;D

How do you T-rig a plastic worm Avid??

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Tons of BS back and forth on Kistler's rods.
Wow figured most of you would be on a lake somewhere catching your PB's, on your favorite sticks, instead of feeding the longest thread on misinformation I have read in years...

I never knew there were so many rod experts out there.

Would you mind pointing out the "BS" & "misinformation" ?
Since you've been building rods for so long, maybe you can clear things up for us.

BTW, I'm being serious. I'm not trying to sound smart. I would just like to hear what you have to say about it.

Here is what I have to say about it_ _ _ _ _ _ _

JayW reply :

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Quote

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Here is what I have to say about it_ _ _ _ _ _ _

That's what I thought!

guest reply :

Yo Dave,

It seems like you wish you hadn't made your orininal post,

but dude. You did.

And with some pretty strong comments.

Now it's time to back it up.

You can't claim to be an expert,

mock others for "BS" and "I never knew there were so many rod experts out there...laugh laugh.

and then make a joke instead of sharing your expertise.

It's not nice.

Not to mention that it does nothing to enhance your creditbility.

C'mon Dave, step up.

Be a mench.

mike bat reply :

i just wanna say ..... come on ,,,, what blank dose he use ???? CROIX ,,, yea he uses CROIX .... he is just classy ... so why try to bagg on a classy guy .... avid you have croix rods .... right ??? no one here in NE WI has kistlers rods .... so i wont say nodda about kistlers rods .... i will say i believe they dont use the best componits ,,, i mean batson blanks and that co. makes gander guid series rods and every other main stream blank .... i mean you wouldent even try to compair it to a croix or loomis blank would you ???? heres the bottom line use what works ,,, FOR YOU

;''

mike bat reply :

and lets not talk about the reel seats or the clear or the fact that they are maid in china ,,,, more then likey next to the ulgly sticks .... must i go on >????? im stayin with CROIX made here in WI ,,, where i am ..... sorry TREY .... thats why you have to order the kistlers ,,, they do to ..... lol

mike bat reply :

GOD BLESS :-?

5bass reply :

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and lets not talk about the reel seats or the clear or the fact that they are maid in china ,,,, more then likey next to the ulgly sticks ....

It's funny that most of the Kistler haters have never even fished one.....this thread gets better with each reply!

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

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i just wanna say ..... come on ,,,, what blank dose he use ???? CROIX ,,, yea he uses CROIX .... he is just classy ... so why try to bagg on a classy guy .... avid you have croix rods .... right ??? no one here in NE WI has kistlers rods .... so i wont say nodda about kistlers rods .... i will say i believe they dont use the best componits ,,, i mean batson blanks and that co. makes gander guid series rods and every other main stream blank .... i mean you wouldent even try to compair it to a croix or loomis blank would you ???? heres the bottom line use what works ,,, FOR YOU
;''

Noone is slamming Dave, trust me, that will NEVER happen here, on this site. The folks are simply asking for follow up from someone who's opinions are highly respected.

-badhabit- reply :

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and lets not talk about the reel seats or the clear or the fact that they are maid in china ,,,, more then likey next to the ulgly sticks ....

It's funny that most of the Kistler haters have never even fished one.....this thread gets better with each reply!

I hope you all ain't throwing me in the Kistler haters that don't know what they are talking about, I'm not a fan really. I have a couple LTA rods here (and about everything else from the 1st Ugly Sticks- some Loomis GLX rods).

It's like buying a Lexus ...... you can pay the extra $$ if you choose to, but your still driving a Toyota.

(edited out)

In my opinion the LTA rods here fish about the same as the All Star Classic rods, the over blown price is the only bad thing about them to me. The G-Blanks are a step up in performance/quality and cost half the price.

just my .02

guest reply :

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heres the bottom line use what works ,,, FOR YOU

Well, that's kinda what we all do.

but like I said earlier,

this forum would get old real quick if all we did was post for newbies on how to T-rig plastic worms

Respectful but animated discussion of technical issues keeps the forums lively for the experienced basser.

Not to mention all us cranky ole farts get to tell each other how smart we REALLY are

-badhabit- reply :

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Not to mention all us cranky ole farts get to tell each other how smart we REALLY are

I fit in to that category well except the smart part.............. I know I'm not the sharpest hook in the pack.

guest reply :

ls1jay,

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Here is what I have to say about it_ _ _ _ _ _ _
That's what I thought!

Avid,

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Yo Dave,
It seems like you wish you hadn't made your orininal post,

but dude. You did.

And with some pretty strong comments.

Now it's time to back it up.

You can't claim to be an expert,

mock others for "BS" and "I never knew there were so many rod experts out there...laugh laugh.

and then make a joke instead of sharing your expertise.

It's not nice.

Not to mention that it does nothing to enhance your creditbility.

C'mon Dave, step up.

Be a mench.

Ok you guys won't accept that I made a comment and you need to have someone to argue with so here goes..

First off this thread started as a question about the warranty response of Kistler Rods.

The BS started with reply #7 when the originator of the thread answered his own question with I talked to Trey..

The thread continued onto a normal track with help from Dan, then all of a sudden Bass Pro reply #9 started in with Blade the originals thread poster, with the expert advise on the blank differences ...

The thread continues on with more help for Rolo from Dan..

Then all of a sudden Dan post a link to an interview with Trey on Tackle Tour..

I suspect everyone read that interview because it really upset a few folks, and they made their feelings be known a few replies later.

Just after that RW posted what I considered the only post that made sense in this thread and it just about hit the nail on the head as far as what the thread had been accomplishing to that point.

Then Blade came back with a shot at RW and what he thought RW should do and another opinion was in the mix.

A few more Kistler loyalist threw some responses into the mix and the thread moved on...

Then ls1jay, you with your first reply #18 your pushing the quote button from the natural and blade, and immediately start the bashing again. With some real hardcore bashing of Baston Ent...

Then a few more replies are thrown into the mix with personal preference opinions..

Then ls1jay, your back into the bashing mode again with your reply #23..

You don't have to look to far into the thread by this time to see a lot of the BS i'm laughing about...

Then Blade comes back, and ls1jay starts back peddling by not bashing anyone, but has already done quit a bit of it..More of the BS i'm laughing at..

The real crap hits the fan in Avids reply about the interview, and how much he is offended by a business owner skirting a question about who actually rolls the companies blanks.

Then the thread moves on to more comparisons from Bass Pro on Fuji and Pacbay.

Then ls1jay comes back with more comparisons on thread and lite vs highbuild epoxy, then more BS about cost and the research has been done on a retail price website who cares if you have been in a warehouse..

Oh and the final comment comparing PacBay to Fuji. FYI PacBay has been in litigation with Fuji for over 10+ years for cloning Fuji guides...

Then of course Bass Pro has to come back and feed this thread some more..

Then flechero comes in and replies basically the same as mine but you want my clarification, or is it just so that you can sling mud at my reply..

Moving on...

We get more price comparisons from ls1jay and Bass Pro and personal opinion that really has nothing to do with the originals thread..Remember it was a warranty question.....

Then ls1jay has a few words that he isn't posting BS here to Flechero it all fact..That's when it got funny for a minuet..

Then we get a comment that says go out and fish with what you got, after throwing another pros name into the mix as a reason to not like or own a certain manufacturers rod..More BS

Then we proceed to get some nice action pics of fish fighting with the rods in mention, but I don't see the actual rods in the pics, except for the floating rod. This pic has made the rounds of different forums..They get high scores from a few of the posters..

Then Avid starts in again with his negative remarks on the floating rod pics. WHO cares!!!

Then all of a sudden the thread becomes a comparison of another rod company and the original..

Then Blade whom we haven't heard from in a few replies starts with weight comparisons between the two rods.

The thread continues on with blank comparisons between Kistler and G-blank rods..

Then we get more information from the rod builder about who makes who's blanks and then more comments on the facts man these are just the facts....

Then more information on who has bought what company..

Then I posted mine "since been deleted"

This is what I made my comments on, a thread that started as a question on a rod companies warranty service became a bashing frenzy..

Then a amateur rod builder became the only expert on components and all of that information came from a retail warehouse. Not from building hundreds of rods form his own table, or even being in the rod building industry or learning from some of the best in the industry on the only forum there is for this kind of information.

All that I read and got from here is personal preferences and BS..now you have my points.

Four pages of it...I thought it was funny at times, and except for those that answered the original question, very misinforming through out.

Avid,

Quote
Well, that's kinda what we all do.
but like I said earlier,

this forum would get old real quick if all we did was post for newbies on how to T-rig plastic worms

Respectful but animated discussion of technical issues keeps the forums lively for the experienced basser.

Not to mention all us cranky ole farts get to tell each other how smart we REALLY are

Then maybe you need to spend more time fishing than sitting in front of the PC.

JayW reply :

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ls1jay,

Quote
Here is what I have to say about it_ _ _ _ _ _ _
That's what I thought!

Avid,

Quote
Yo Dave,
It seems like you wish you hadn't made your orininal post,

but dude. You did.

And with some pretty strong comments.

Now it's time to back it up.

You can't claim to be an expert,

mock others for "BS" and "I never knew there were so many rod experts out there...laugh laugh.

and then make a joke instead of sharing your expertise.

It's not nice.

Not to mention that it does nothing to enhance your creditbility.

C'mon Dave, step up.

Be a mench.

Ok you guys won't accept that I made a comment and you need to have someone to argue with so here goes..
First off this thread started as a question about the warranty response of Kistler Rods.

The BS started with reply #7 when the originator of the thread answered his own question with I talked to Trey..

The thread continued onto a normal track with help from Dan, then all of a sudden Bass Pro reply #9 started in with Blade the originals thread poster, with the expert advise on the blank differences ...

The thread continues on with more help for Rolo from Dan..

Then all of a sudden Dan post a link to an interview with Trey on Tackle Tour..

I suspect everyone read that interview because it really upset a few folks, and they made their feelings be known a few replies later.

Just after that RW posted what I considered the only post that made sense in this thread and it just about hit the nail on the head as far as what the thread had been accomplishing to that point.

Then Blade came back with a shot at RW and what he thought RW should do and another opinion was in the mix.

A few more Kistler loyalist threw some responses into the mix and the thread moved on...

Then ls1jay, you with your first reply #18 your pushing the quote button from the natural and blade, and immediately start the bashing again. With some real hardcore bashing of Baston Ent...

Then a few more replies are thrown into the mix with personal preference opinions..

Then ls1jay, your back into the bashing mode again with your reply #23..

You don't have to look to far into the thread by this time to see a lot of the BS i'm laughing about...

Then Blade comes back, and ls1jay starts back peddling by not bashing anyone, but has already done quit a bit of it..More of the BS i'm laughing at..

The real crap hits the fan in Avids reply about the interview, and how much he is offended by a business owner skirting a question about who actually rolls the companies blanks.

Then the thread moves on to more comparisons from Bass Pro on Fuji and Pacbay.

Then ls1jay comes back with more comparisons on thread and lite vs highbuild epoxy, then more BS about cost and the research has been done on a retail price website who cares if you have been in a warehouse..

Oh and the final comment comparing PacBay to Fuji. FYI PacBay has been in litigation with Fuji for over 10+ years for cloning Fuji guides...

Then of course Bass Pro has to come back and feed this thread some more..

Then flechero comes in and replies basically the same as mine but you want my clarification, or is it just so that you can sling mud at my reply..

Moving on...

We get more price comparisons from ls1jay and Bass Pro and personal opinion that really has nothing to do with the originals thread..Remember it was a warranty question.....

Then ls1jay has a few words that he isn't posting BS here to Flechero it all fact..That's when it got funny for a minuet..

Then we get a comment that says go out and fish with what you got, after throwing another pros name into the mix as a reason to not like or own a certain manufacturers rod..More BS

Then we proceed to get some nice action pics of fish fighting with the rods in mention, but I don't see the actual rods in the pics, except for the floating rod. This pic has made the rounds of different forums..They get high scores from a few of the posters..

Then Avid starts in again with his negative remarks on the floating rod pics. WHO cares!!!

Then all of a sudden the thread becomes a comparison of another rod company and the original..

Then Blade whom we haven't heard from in a few replies starts with weight comparisons between the two rods.

The thread continues on with blank comparisons between Kistler and G-blank rods..

Then we get more information from the rod builder about who makes who's blanks and then more comments on the facts man these are just the facts....

Then more information on who has bought what company..

Then I posted mine "since been deleted"

This is what I made my comments on, a thread that started as a question on a rod companies warranty service became a bashing frenzy..

Then a amateur rod builder became the only expert on components and all of that information came from a retail warehouse. Not from building hundreds of rods form his own table, or even being in the rod building industry or learning from some of the best in the industry on the only forum there is for this kind of information.

All that I read and got from here is personal preferences and BS..now you have my points.

Four pages of it...I thought it was funny at times, and except for those that answered the original question, very misinforming through out.

Avid,

Quote
Well, that's kinda what we all do.
but like I said earlier,

this forum would get old real quick if all we did was post for newbies on how to T-rig plastic worms

Respectful but animated discussion of technical issues keeps the forums lively for the experienced basser.

Not to mention all us cranky ole farts get to tell each other how smart we REALLY are

Then maybe you need to spend more time fishing than sitting in front of the PC.

Man, that sure is a lot of reading. BTW, I don't recall "back pedaling" ? You can say what you want. I still don't care for Batson. Apparently you don't either since you push Fuji on your website! Can't we just agree to disagree? 8-) Life goes on. Let's debate Zebco rods now! ;D

Bass Pro reply :

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...then all of a sudden Bass Pro reply #9 started in with Blade the originals thread poster, with the expert advise on the blank differences

First of all, I never said I was an expert nor do I claim to be one. What I did say was the FACTS and the truth about the blank. I have an LTA 6'9'' MH and an LTX 6'9'' MH and they both do in fact have different tapers. The LTA has a slower more moderate action whereas the LTX has a much faster action. I was also told by several people at Kistler, Trey included, that the LTX is higher mod graphaite. Fishing both rods side by side, I would say that they (Kistler) are telling the truth, due to the fact that the LTX is more sensitive and a lighter rod. Since you know so much about rods, you will surely know that increased sensitivity and a lighter blank usually indicates higher mod graphite being used in the construction of the blank.

5bass reply :

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Can't we just agree to disagree?

Sounds good to me......everybody in?

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

Locked, let's move along, there's nothing left to say here.

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