Let's Talk Ducketts. 2024
Banned-99884 reply :
So many people bash ducketts saying they suck or there ugly.. but how many people have actually truly tested a duckett.
So my question is do people really hate them,
Or are they just riding with the bandwagon?
Wbeadlescomb reply :
I wouldn't fish with much less buy anything duckett has his name on. I'd rather put Obama stickers on my truck jeep and boat.
S_Miketa6 reply :
I own 5 and couldn't be happier with them, never had a problem.Just a perk they look kinda cool!
Cant see why people don't like them.......I must of missed the memo!
jbsoonerfan reply :
Most people who bash something have never actually used that something. This is the internet after all. I am sure I would think a lot of guys here are married to ugly chicks, but since I don't know them personally, I shouldn't talk smack about them.
Wbeadlescomb reply :
they feel like great rods but just knowing what I do about duckett i wouldn't own oneOn 3/7/2014 at 12:33 PM, jbsoonerfan said:Most people who bash something have never actually used that something. This is the internet after all. I am sure I would think a lot of guys here are married to ugly chicks, but since I don't know them personally, I shouldn't talk smack about them.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 3/7/2014 at 12:39 PM, Wbeadlescomb said:they feel like great rods but just knowing what I do about duckett i wouldn't own one
Do share.....
Jay Ell Gee reply :
On 3/7/2014 at 12:42 PM, jbsoonerfan said:Do share.....
As curious as I am, I believe that this may not be the best place to discuss such matters?
Wbeadlescomb reply :
On 3/7/2014 at 12:42 PM, jbsoonerfan said:Do share.....
I sent you a message
bootytrain reply :
Duckett rods don't have any special proprietary blanks that he designed or created, so basically you have quite a lot of different brands of rods that are going to be very similar in performance, components and price. So people are usually going to buy what they think looks best.
Arv reply :
I feel like I've mostly heard good things about them...White isn't really my color, but I know a lot of people out there like it. I'm mostly interested to see how long this thread stays open
gripnrip reply :
I seen in the newest Bassmaster mag, on the 10-minute angler page, he now has a baitcaster. Interesting. Anyways. I have looked into getting some of his rods. Based on the reviews I found, I lost interest. I decided to not purchase one. But that was before I became a member here. A lot of guys on here like the rods. I am not in the market for any rods at the present time.
On another note. Bobby Lane is tough as hell on these rods on MLF. He's broken a couple. One over his knee when he didn't make the cut and the other was a spincast that broke when he casted. I broke rite at the reel seat.
Wbeadlescomb reply :
On 3/7/2014 at 1:06 PM, gripnrip said:I seen in the newest Bassmaster mag, on the 10-minute angler page, he now has a baitcaster. Interesting. Anyways. I have looked into getting some of his rods. Based on the reviews I found, I lost interest. I decided to not purchase one. But that was before I became a member here. A lot of guys on here like the rods. I am not in the market for any rods at the present time.
On another note. Bobby Lane is tough as hell on these rods on MLF. He's broken a couple. One over his knee when he didn't make the cut and the other was a spincast that broke when he casted. I broke rite at the reel seat.
Take a wild guess who has a big hand In mlf
SpencerLittle reply :
I'm under the assumption the rods we see Bonby Lane using are Abu veritas? He is sponsored by them.
TrapperJ reply :
I don't understand the hate but it was solid reviews is what got me to try them and now I own 4. Out of all the rods I currently own and have owned they are my favs. Will be adding a JB rod and a crankin ghost rod soon.
It was hard to get me to try a white rod always just liked black rods.
I've had one broken rod and it was painless. Just mailed in a $15 check and cut a chunk of the rod off with the logo and boom new rod to my door in no time, and no questions asked no warranty card to fill out no hunting for receipts.
After that made me love my ducketts even more.
I'm not some huge Boyd Duckett fan I can take him or leave him but I do enjoy his rods.
Teal reply :
On 3/7/2014 at 12:26 PM, Wbeadlescomb said:I wouldn't fish with much less buy anything duckett has his name on. I'd rather put Obama stickers on my truck jeep and boat.
Dang man. It can't be that bad
Grantman83 reply :
I'm sure they are fine rods just like most in the market. Honestly, it's rare that you get a CARROT STIX level of hatred going for a certain rod line. I handled some and they were light as heck but I just didn't want the super micro guides.
Every company has it's detractors. My only gripe is they don't have actions etc put on the rod.
MacP reply :
Lots of people around here like them really well. I picked up one of their new ghost rods, and while light, the guids are terrible. I'm not a micro guide fisher.
Castaway's new rods are what impress me most.
buzzfrog reply :
someone pm, I want to know what duckett did. though I read the new BM review on Dean Rohjas praising the duckett rod, ironically the day before I was on youtube watching him push his quantum specialty rod swearing on quantum, I though that was funny a bit
21farms reply :
the rods that bobby lane broke on MLF during the summit cup were abu veritas, not ducketts. but, i too won't fish any duckett products...the way he broke his sponsorship with E21 to start his own rod company was shameful. i loved the episode of MLF when KVD got ticked at boyd duckett for following him around the lake: [shaking his head] "that's not the way i would do it".
ChrisD46 reply :
I see Timmy Horton uses the Duckett White Ice series baitcast rods with of course Lew's reels ...Not sure of the rod quality but Timmy seems to like them well enough !
TrapperJ reply :
Whats the inside story on Duckett and e21? Were all friends here post it for public knowledge, or PM me if you have too.
My understanding was Duckett didnt like that e21 rods were not up to his specs, the constant breakage issues we all heard about, and e21 terrible warranty process.
I can't blame him for leaving, its like "hey look you wanted my input on rods if your not gonna listen why am i here."
Now i wasnt behind the scenes or anything, thats just what i have gathered over my time researching rods.
@21farms LOL i was rolling when that happened, and KVD at some point said "I dont know what every one else's problem is its not that hard." lol
buzzfrog reply :
On 3/8/2014 at 12:11 AM, ChrisD46 said:I see Timmy Horton uses the Duckett White Ice series baitcast rods with of course Lew's reels ...Not sure of the rod quality but Timmy seems to like them well enough !
when was the last time Tim Horton did anything though, does he even still fish
gripnrip reply :
On 3/7/2014 at 1:20 PM, Wbeadlescomb said:Take a wild guess who has a big hand In mlf
Oh I could guess that easily. Duckett rod commercials every time you turn around and an official sponsor.
gripnrip reply :
On 3/8/2014 at 12:22 AM, buzzfrog said:when was the last time Tim Horton did anything though, does he even still fish
He does but I bet eventually he goes the way Bill and Hank did. A fishing show and sponsorships. He has a big part in the Profound Outdoor line of baits and website.
gripnrip reply :
On 3/8/2014 at 12:02 AM, 21farms said:the rods that bobby lane broke on MLF during the summit cup were abu veritas, not ducketts. but, i too won't fish any duckett products...the way he broke his sponsorship with E21 to start his own rod company was shameful. i loved the episode of MLF when KVD got ticked at boyd duckett for following him around the lake: [shaking his head] "that's not the way i would do it".
Honest mistake. I forgot that Bobby was sponsored by Abu and the Veritas was white! 
buzzfrog reply :
Thanks, I didn't know he even still didOn 3/8/2014 at 1:39 AM, gripnrip said:He does but I bet eventually he goes the way Bill and Hank did. A fishing show and sponsorships. He has a big part in the Profound Outdoor line of baits and website.
HomersTomaco reply :
I don't like them because they use very cheap components and the blank is about the same as $50 rods
Blues19 reply :
On 3/7/2014 at 11:52 PM, buzzfrog said:someone pm, I want to know what duckett did. though I read the new BM review on Dean Rohjas praising the duckett rod, ironically the day before I was on youtube watching him push his quantum specialty rod swearing on quantum, I though that was funny a bit
I sent Dean Rojas a message on facebook asking about frog rods, not expecting an answer back, but he did send me a message and said next month to expect a Dean Rojas Signature Rod coming out from Duckett Rods
Grantman83 reply :
They will probably just take the specs from his quantum rods and duplicate it. The key is in the action and power, not sensitivity.
His switch was so quick, he was still using Exo reels in the classic lol. The color scheme matches the ducketts so I assume most people thought he was using the next duckett reels
Brian Needham reply :
IF I didnt love my dobyns so much, I would probably use ducketts.
I actually tried a duckett..... hoping I would like it, since I could sell my dobyns for 2 ducketts.
It didnt happen, I tried a spinnerbait rod and hated it.
My knocks on duckett rods:
1. did not balance as well as my current rods.... they were lighter than my current rods, but were also tip heavy IMO.
2. fishes weaker than the blank says
3. tip had too much whip
4. split grips (they have since change to include full cork)
5. not enough options in powers and lenghts that I like
6. not a fan of Boyd Duckett's attitude, or at least how I percieve his attitude.
7. have heard/seen breakage issues
those are my opinions, so take it for what they are worth.... but they seem to line up with other honest opinions out there.
buzzfrog reply :
haha Dean, didn't help you with rods, he just sent you a plug for his new rod, his old quantum rod was 7' MHXF his duckett is 7'2in and is MHXF, ironically the later is what I use and love it. not to go to OT but it is all money, if you truely love a rod and support why change over money. I believe his the only quantum user that has changed in a while. didn't we see this before when skeets rods started making there own reels.
gripnrip reply :
On 3/9/2014 at 12:19 AM, buzzfrog said:haha Dean, didn't help you with rods, he just sent you a plug for his new rod, his old quantum rod was 7' MHXF his duckett is 7'2in and is MHXF, ironically the later is what I use and love it. not to go to OT but it is all money, if you truely love a rod and support why change over money. I believe his the only quantum user that has changed in a while. didn't we see this before when skeets rods started making there own reels.
He might have been approached by Duckett. When I think of Quantum, it's VanDam that pops in my head. That is a big shadow to be in. We'll never know what kind of deal Dean received. I want to work the same or less and make more money. He isn't any different.
Blues19 reply :
On 3/9/2014 at 12:19 AM, buzzfrog said:haha Dean, didn't help you with rods, he just sent you a plug for his new rod, his old quantum rod was 7' MHXF his duckett is 7'2in and is MHXF, ironically the later is what I use and love it. not to go to OT but it is all money, if you truely love a rod and support why change over money. I believe his the only quantum user that has changed in a while. didn't we see this before when skeets rods started making there own reels.
I wasnt saying it to say that he helped me with rods, but to explain why he was supporting Duckett so much. I dont think I will get the Duckett Rod because I havent used any and I will stick to what I know.
jbsoonerfan reply :
Did Boyd Duckett kick some of you guys dogs or what?
buzzfrog reply :
yes, got to remember it is a job, and lol when I think quantum I think KVD< but when you think duckett rods, I aint thinking Dean Rojhas lol
Blues19 reply :
Buzzfrog you use the Quantum frog rod?
buzzfrog reply :
my friend does and swears buy it, I like my *** 7'3 MH and I have a custom made7'2 MHXF that I skip my frogs like a breeze. lol I am not riding on the quantum fan boy train, I just thought it was hilarious swearing on quantum and his sig rod, then my bassmaster comes in the mail the next day with him talking about Duckett. I didnt know he switched. just funny
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 3/9/2014 at 1:26 AM, buzzfrog said:my friend does and swears buy it, I like my *** 7'3 MH and I have a custom made7'2 MHXF that I skip my frogs like a breeze. lol I am not riding on the quantum fan boy train, I just thought it was hilarious swearing on quantum and his sig rod, then my bassmaster comes in the mail the next day with him talking about Duckett. I didnt know he switched. just funny
What is so funny about it???? This happens in sports all the time. Golfers might swear by Titleist and then they switch to Nike. It doesn't mean they no longer like Titleist, it simply means they got a better deal (more money probably) from Nike. You do realize that these people make a majority of their living off of endorsements and sponsorships don't you? Therefore, they are going to do what is in their best interest. Nothing new really.
buzzfrog reply :
On 3/9/2014 at 2:17 AM, jbsoonerfan said:What is so funny about it???? This happens in sports all the time. Golfers might swear by Titleist and then they switch to Nike. It doesn't mean they no longer like Titleist, it simply means they got a better deal (more money probably) from Nike. You do realize that these people make a majority of their living off of endorsements and sponsorships don't you? Therefore, they are going to do what is in their best interest. Nothing new really.
money aside, and I know it is there job, but guess I am a different person. I wont change my opinion if I truly believe in something. Seems your getting pissy over it. just my opinion man. Sorry if my humor is different from yours but it was funny watched the vid then ironically my BM comes next day
Blues19 reply :
That is ironic that it came the next day. I dont know what I am going to do about my Frog rod yet. All rod brands have good and bad, not sure what I think about Duckett. Have never used one.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 3/9/2014 at 2:34 AM, buzzfrog said:money aside, and I know it is there job, but guess I am a different person. I wont change my opinion if I truly believe in something. Seems your getting pissy over it. just my opinion man. Sorry if my humor is different from yours but it was funny watched the vid then ironically my BM comes next day
Not getting pissy at all. Just have a hunch that you don't have an understanding of why people change to different gear. I assume you are young and haven't actually had to make an automobile payment, mortgage, raise kids, etc. etc. etc. So it's not money aside, it is how they make a living. They are going to change if it will make their life better. Of course you won't change your opinion, no one is paying you to.
bflp3 reply :
By now you all should know that if a pro mentions a brand or product by name, there's an extremely high chance that the producer of said product has their logo on the pro's jersey, and the pro is being paid to say those things.
When listening to a pro's advice, you have to filter out the marketing and get the general message out of it. When the pro says "In these conditions, I throw the red eye shad on my high speed Lew's reel", you have to filter it out and understand that you should be burning a lipless crank.
There's usually good advice in what the pros say, you just have to peel back the layers of marketing and product placement to find it.
buzzfrog reply :
On 3/9/2014 at 2:43 AM, jbsoonerfan said:Not getting pissy at all. Just have a hunch that you don't have an understanding of why people change to different gear. I assume you are young and haven't actually had to make an automobile payment, mortgage, raise kids, etc. etc. etc. So it's not money aside, it is how they make a living. They are going to change if it will make their life better. Of course you won't change your opinion, no one is paying you to.
haha, i wont even go there, I was truly raised different from you sir, i wont even start with the money thing or my age. I don't wanna get banned from this great site. i understand it is all a money game, but I will say again I wasnt raised to take the higher buck than leave. PERIOD. you can whine all you want saying I dont know how to make a living..
Grantman83 reply :
I sense a closed thread coming lol
gripnrip reply :
buzzfrog, you are taking his comments the wrong way. Somehow the deal is better with Duckett. The pro is going to back who writes his checks or who sponsors him. Maybe Quantum dumped Dean. We don't know the circumstances. Dean is trying to make a living. He's been in the game a long time and he knows how it works. We unfortunately don't.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 3/9/2014 at 3:47 AM, gripnrip said:buzzfrog, you are taking his comments the wrong way. Somehow the deal is better with Duckett. The pro is going to back who writes his checks or who sponsors him. Maybe Quantum dumped Dean. We don't know the circumstances. Dean is trying to make a living. He's been in the game a long time and he knows how it works. We unfortunately don't.
Thanks. I am really not trying to start an argument. Just saying that most people do what is best for them and their career.
buzzfrog reply :
Sorry to blow, I know we will never know, but this the second time I have got the you must be young speech, just grinds my d**n gears when I hear it,, sorry
gripnrip reply :
Also, let me give you a little tidbit of my world.
I decided not to go to school or get any tech training. I was lucky enough to fall into a job that after 10 years, I topped out at a decent wage at 31. I started at 8.76 an hour in 97'. That isn't much with a kid. If I wanted to have anything worth a crap, I had to work for it. So, I mowed lawns. I worked for my parents in the evenings being a janitor. I worked security at concerts and big outdoor events. I had no time to myself. As the years went along, the more I made at my steady job, the less I had to work the other ones. After topping out I decided to get some tech training. I wound up with getting a 35% increase in pay once upgraded...........
Now the reason I told that story. These guys come up through the ranks. Basically doing what I did but they're fishing. I make about the same as I did 10 years ago with all those jobs. Now I work 8 hours instead of some 20 hours a day like I used to do. The seasoned pros have more time on their hands for other things because they paid their dues. I know I've paid mine.
Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
gripnrip reply :
On 3/9/2014 at 4:07 AM, buzzfrog said:Sorry to blow, I know we will never know, but this the second time I have got the you must be young speech, just grinds my d**n gears when I hear it,, sorry
I was typing the above when you replied. I meant no offense.
Brian Needham reply :
On 3/9/2014 at 2:17 AM, jbsoonerfan said:Golfers might swear by Titleist and then they switch to Nike. It doesn't mean they no longer like Titleist, it simply means they got a better deal (more money probably) from Nike.
actually in golf what happens is said pro hits the NIKE but still gets paid by Titleist, because he keeps a Titleist headcover on it.
like the ole "Talyor Made: the tours most used driver" it is false.... talyor made does however have the most headcovers out there, lol.
classic example is the late Payne Stewart. he was heavily sponsored by top flight, but if you ever looked in his bag you would have seen Mizuno sticks, but Payne wore the hat, shirt, carried the bag, headcovers ect ect of top flight. Why? because Mizuno didnt pay people to use their stuff, most of the pros at the time (late 80s through the 90s) were ALL hitting mizuno irons, because they were the best . even Tigger.
so it all boils down to use what you like and how you like it...... the pros do it for the money, except for maybe Amart, I really believe he loves his stuff and would change because he TRULY liked it better.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 3/9/2014 at 4:14 AM, Brian Needham said:actually in golf what happens is said pro hits the NIKE but still gets paid by Titleist, because he keeps a Titleist headcover on it.
like the ole "Talyor Made: the tours most used driver" it is false.... talyor made does however have the most headcovers out there, lol.
classic example is the late Payne Stewart. he was heavily sponsored by top flight, but if you ever looked in his bag you would have seen Mizuno sticks, but Payne wore the hat, shirt, carried the bag, headcovers ect ect of top flight. Why? because Mizuno didnt pay people to use their stuff, most of the pros at the time (late 80s through the 90s) were ALL hitting mizuno irons, because they were the best . even Tigger.
so it all boils down to use what you like and how you like it...... the pros do it for the money, except for maybe Amart, I really believe he loves his stuff and would change because he TRULY liked it better.
I am mainly talking about Tiger going from Titleist to Nike, and Rory doing the same. I don't know what was going on back in the 80's, I was just born, LOL.
buzzfrog reply :
Good reads guys, and it's all good, no harm.
Brian Needham reply :
fair enough JB.....the headcover vs what is actually played is still going on today, and actually tiger played a lot of his early carrer playing the mizuno mp29s..... which is why when he signed with NIKE the VP (i think) of Mizuno went to work for NIKE. and the reason the early NIKE blades looked liked Mizuno.... and still do somewhat.
it is amazing to watch it all unfold, who goes where and who they bring with them from other compaines.
Brian Needham reply :
and the funniest thing about Tigger, is he won his first Master's hitting a Cobra driver..... and he never gave them any love. lol
Banned-99884 reply :
i sense the thread being closed here soon. didnt mean this thread to be an argument just seeing what you guys thought and i definitely didn't think this thread would turn in to one about golf haha!
Tight Lines fellas!
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 3/9/2014 at 7:34 AM, Bronze said:i sense the thread being closed here soon. didnt mean this thread to be an argument just seeing what you guys thought and i definitely didn't think this thread would turn in to one about golf haha!
Tight Lines fellas!
I personally like the Ghost series. Even though they are ugly, use cheap guides and break easily. 
5fishlimit reply :
I bought 2 about a year and a half ago, and I really like them. They work for how I fish, and are comfortable in my hands. The 20 year warranty is assuring should I have an issue.
michael68w reply :
I bought and fished a duckett for awhile. I thought it was OK but didn't really wow me. I had an issue with the guides being weak. I eventually sold it and probably won't buy another. It's not that it was a terrible rod but I've fished better in the same price range. I had also heard of many breakages and warranty issues.
SenkoGuru reply :
The Duckett Rod's are great fishing rods. I have tried many, many rods through out the years and I'm sort of a fishing gear collector. I think the Duckett White Ice rod is leaps and bounds ahead of the Dobyn's. I hate kigan guides and the Dobyns are pretty much just over priced Powell rods imo. I got a Dobyn's DX 745 after reading all of the internet hype and expected it to be the fishing rod that dropped straight from Heaven, It was far from that and I was not impressed, after fishing the Dobyn's for 30-60 minutes, I sat it down and picked my Duckett 7'3" Heavy White Ice back up. I doubt you would not like the Duckett. If you happen to get the Duckett let us know what you think.
P.S. I am not paid anything at all by Duckett, I just love the product.
Grizzn N Bassin reply :
well i just got a ghost 7' for jigs. all i can say right now that its light and feels good in my hand. IM hopeing the sensitivity is pretty good.
buzzfrog reply :
Lol
TorqueConverter reply :
When I think Duckett, I think of a fishing rod. I must be a minority here. I don't care about people. At all. I don't care if Bubba and Jim Bob don't get alone on the ABC bass tour.
Is the product good or not. Are Duckett rods junk or are they excellent? I was thinking about picking up a Micro Magic CB rod, but all this talk has got me hesitant. I also believe that the rod blank is 90% of the rod and I keep hearing that Ducketts use cheap blanks.
Banned-99884 reply :
On 3/16/2014 at 9:41 AM, TorqueConverter said:When I think Duckett, I think of a fishing rod. I must be a minority here. I don't care about people. At all. I don't care if Bubba and Jim Bob don't get alone on the ABC bass tour.
Is the product good or not. Are Duckett rods junk or are they excellent? I was thinking about picking up a Micro Magic CB rod, but all this talk has got me hesitant. I also believe that the rod blank is 90% of the rod and I keep hearing that Ducketts use cheap blanks.
Therre good rods, are they better than others? no. are they worst than others? no. are they worth 150$? yes. its all about what YOU like not what OTHER people like,
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 3/16/2014 at 11:17 AM, Bronze said:Therre good rods, are they better than others? no. are they worst than others? no. are they worth 150$? yes. its all about what YOU like not what OTHER people like,
Great post. Unfortunately in the internet age, people are so consumed by the opinions of others, that they can't seem to come up with an opinion of their own.
Alpha Male reply :
Personally I cant get on the bandwagon if the company cant even put a line or lure rating on the rod. Its worse to me than the low end rods that only say "medium action". thats kinda where I draw the line as far as highend and lowend.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 3/16/2014 at 11:31 AM, Alpha Male said:Personally I cent get on the bandwagon if the company cant even put a line or lure rating on the rod. Its worse to me than the low end rods that only say "medium action". thats kinda where I draw the line as far as highend and lowend.
In other words. You have never handled one, but you won't even give them a chance. Pretty common these days.
Banned-99884 reply :
On 3/16/2014 at 11:41 AM, jbsoonerfan said:In other words. You have never handled one, but you won't even give them a chance. Pretty common these days.
I dont blame him. To many bad reviews to buy one. but, to many people judge on other peoples words
Alpha Male reply :
On 3/16/2014 at 11:41 AM, jbsoonerfan said:In other words. You have never handled one, but you won't even give them a chance. Pretty common these days.
Im not even listening to the reviews. And yes I have never handled one. just like any other hobby there are too many competitors for me to worry about one company who wont come to the standard of others. while duckett might be a decent rod so are loomis, st croix, dobyns, and SOOO many others. so I will not lose any sleep because I wont give them a chance when there are so many choices that WILL list a line and lure rating.
shootermcbob reply :
On 3/16/2014 at 11:24 AM, jbsoonerfan said:Great post. Unfortunately in the internet age, people are so consumed by the opinions of others, that they can't seem to come up with an opinion of their own.
My vote for ALL ENCOMPASSING, SMARTEST POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!!
Brian Needham reply :
On 3/16/2014 at 11:41 AM, jbsoonerfan said:In other words. You have never handled one, but you won't even give them a chance. Pretty common these days.
there are also the people out there that really do know what they are talking about and you can scour the interwebs to find honest opinions.
I know for a Dobyns rods when I want a new one and I am undecided I can look for post or PM several folks including
David P
Civicrr
tritonman77 (trey Harpel)
and many others on this board too
these people have never steered me wrong and are knowledgeable enough at what they do when they told me a rod was XYZ and I ordered it, it was XYZ on the dot and exactly what I wanted.
I guess my point is, just cause people gather stuff from the net, doesnt mean its bad. You can easily find people if a guy wants to look....... if I look for reviews and see a very common theme in those reviews and its something I dont like or something that I prefer something else then I am not going to buy that product.
I dont think that makes someone a blind sheep, it just means there are people out there with the same views as me, or you, or anyone else. which is why we dont use all the same reels, rods, line, boats, ect ect.
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