I want to know about casting distance. Disregarding experience level, which baitcaster have you owned that has given you the ability to absolutely launch a senko or other bait across the pond? I'll go first.
Daiwa Procaster PT 100-4bi( the one exclusively made for bps)
- pretty good distance maybe 40yds w/ light brake setting and spool tension down
Pfleuger Trion:
- casts about 45-50 yds max for me but much smoother than the Daiwa
Oh, and btw, I'm in the market for a couple of baitcasters... one in the $170 range and one in the $70 and under range....casting distance is BIG for me. Thanks
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Casting distance also involves other things. For example rod action and line diameter.
That being said my Shimano Scorpion 1000 Mg paired with a St Croix Legend Tourney 68MXF with 8 lbs line has got me good enough distance with weightless soft plastics to just about eliminate my need for spinning gear.
Others I have used for weightless soft plastics:
Curado 100D - just about as good as the Scorpion
Curado 200B - descent
Team Daiwa Advantage Supertuned - did not like it for this application
Pflueger President - I would rate it a class just below the 100D and Scorpion
ok, lets say about 10lb line and a 6.5' ft MH rod...pretty typical i believe. Just looking for an idea.
So about what yardage would you say you could get on average w/ the scorpion?
I have the Pflueger Supreme, Summit, and Trion. And will say that the Summit is the best one out of the three for what you say.
The Summit IMHO is just perfect for 10lb test line, although it is a little small for my hands, and can cast light lures forever.
The Supreme IMO is built to be an excellent all around reel, and is a little bigger than the Summit.
The Trion is a good solid baitcaster, but at 9 ounces, it just seems a little too big and overweight. I use it for big carolina rigs and such.
As for casting distance, the Supreme and Summit are about the same followed closely by the Trion
Sorry can't help you I only have experience with the Trion and i cast it just fine for distance. But I can not campare it to those other reels becuse i have never used them :
Quoteok, lets say about 10lb line and a 6.5' ft MH rod...pretty typical i believe. Just looking for an idea.So about what yardage would you say you could get on average w/ the scorpion?
Sorry, couldn't even begin to guess the yardage, but ...
If distance is your main concern, you may want to consider going down to a M power rod. You would find it much easier to cast and you would pick up quite a bit of distance versus a MH rod.
For example I use a completely different set up to fish weightless plastics in heavy cover. That's what I use a MH rod for. And that's more for pin point pitches with a max distance of 25-30 yards. Now if I casted this set-up as far as I could, I bet it would only go about 60%-70% as far as I cast with my M power set up.
I hold 7 titles in casting competition for distance & accuracy; all were won using a Shimano Calcutta which only has 3 ball bearing.
It aint the reel it's rod
I get the greatest distance out of the right rod and a well maintained reel.
I gotta say my Revo STXs are about as good as it gets. This one may suprise people, BPS David Fritts crankbait reel. That deep, heavy spool really throws baits. I know the rod has a lot to do with it too, but the reel helps too.
QuoteI hold 7 titles in casting competition for distance & accuracy; all were won using a Shimano Calcutta which only has 3 ball bearing.It aint the reel it's rod
Noooope, it 's the guy.
FORGET ABOUT OTHER FACTORS BESIDES THE REEL!!
Which baitcaster that you have owned has given you hands down the best casting distance?
Thanks for the great replies so far, guys
The longest casting set up I own is a Shimano Calcutta 251 and Loomis BCR803. It is also the most accurate and the simplest to use.
Daiwa Pixy
Daiwa Steez
Daiwa Alphas Ito
I can nearly spool these reels with 12lb. Fluoro. when casting a 1/2 oz. trap.
I probably could spool the Pixy if I tried hard enough.
calais 100a.
core 100mg comes bad close.
QuoteDaiwa PixyDaiwa Steez
Daiwa Alphas Ito
I can nearly spool these reels with 12lb. Fluoro. when casting a 1/2 oz. trap.
I probably could spool the Pixy if I tried hard enough.
WOW! so you can cast out 100yds w/ them?!?
QuoteQuoteDaiwa PixyDaiwa Steez
Daiwa Alphas Ito
I can nearly spool these reels with 12lb. Fluoro. when casting a 1/2 oz. trap.
I probably could spool the Pixy if I tried hard enough.
WOW! so you can cast out 100yds w/ them?!?
Not quite 100 yds. The Pixy holds about 75-80 yds. of 12 lb. Fluoro. so I would say 65 yds. would be real close. It's a casting machine normally for use with lighter baits. The Steez is a close second followed by the Alphas Ito. I could probably spool the Pixy with a 1/2 oz. trap on a calm day. I can't imagine what a backlash I would get if a headwind kicked up during the cast. It would be brutal. :-/
LOL, best not to think about that....if it ever happens, time to get the knife out ;D
C'mon everyone, so many views and so few replies?!
To directly answer the question posed...
Of the baitcasting reels I've used the one that I get the greatest casting distance with casting a senko would be the chronarch mg50.
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My longest casting reel is an Abu Garcia 7000. I can launch a 4 oz weight and squid past the waves on the Gulf Coast. Of couse I have it mounted on a 10' rod too. But back to your questions, my best casting reel is my Revo SX. With 15# Big Game and mounted on my BCR803, I can throw 5" senkos and 1/8oz t-rigged plastics a good ways, maybe 60 feet. I do get some decent overruns sometimes if the wind is blowing strong.
QuoteI want to know about casting distance. Disregarding experience level, which baitcaster have you owned that has given you the ability to absolutely launch a senko or other bait across the pond? I'll go first.Daiwa Procaster PT 100-4bi( the one exclusively made for bps)
- pretty good distance maybe 40yds w/ light brake setting and spool tension down
Pfleuger Trion:
- casts about 45-50 yds max for me but much smoother than the Daiwa
Oh, and btw, I'm in the market for a couple of baitcasters... one in the $170 range and one in the $70 and under range....casting distance is BIG for me. Thanks
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My man, a 5 inch senko is hardly a light bait, any baitcaster will launch it across the pond, a 3 inch senko would be in another plane of existance.
QuoteI hold 7 titles in casting competition for distance & accuracy; all were won using a Shimano Calcutta which only has 3 ball bearing.It aint the reel it's rod
Seems like this fella might know something about it...
QuoteQuoteI hold 7 titles in casting competition for distance & accuracy; all were won using a Shimano Calcutta which only has 3 ball bearing.It aint the reel it's rod
Seems like this fella might know something about it...
I didn't know Muddy was involved in Casting Kids! Way to go Muddy! ;D
QuoteQuoteI want to know about casting distance. Disregarding experience level, which baitcaster have you owned that has given you the ability to absolutely launch a senko or other bait across the pond? I'll go first.Daiwa Procaster PT 100-4bi( the one exclusively made for bps)
- pretty good distance maybe 40yds w/ light brake setting and spool tension down
Pfleuger Trion:
- casts about 45-50 yds max for me but much smoother than the Daiwa
Oh, and btw, I'm in the market for a couple of baitcasters... one in the $170 range and one in the $70 and under range....casting distance is BIG for me. Thanks
EVERYBODY POST!!!
My man, a 5 inch senko is hardly a light bait, any baitcaster will launch it across the pond, a 3 inch senko would be in another plane of existance.
When did I say "light bait". I have no idea why you even posted in this thread. You didn't even answer my question. :
I'll agree w/ the Shimano Calcutta. I had a Calcutta 151 & that reel casted much farther than other round or low profile reels I owned. Once you get the brakes set w/ the lure weight & the right flex rod, the reel just casted things very far.
My second would be the previous version of the Team Daiwa Advantage. It didn't cast as far as the Calcutta 151, but it casted far.
QuoteI hold 7 titles in casting competition for distance & accuracy; all were won using a Shimano Calcutta which only has 3 ball bearing.It aint the reel it's rod
I disagree...It's you the man behing the rod. Good job, I was not aware of that. Congratulations
Raul's point was that any baitcaster can launch medium to heavy lures, lighter baits are more challenging. My reels probably vary a lot with regard to "absolute capability", but from a practical standpoint they are about the same. There is rarely (never) a need for a cast over 50 yards if you are actually "fishing".
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i think my bps rick clunns with the hybrid brake cast great.actually better than my trion or president which are also good.i have noticed line has a lot to do with it.
QuoteRaul's point was that any baitcaster can launch medium to heavy lures, lighter baits are more challenging. My reels probably vary a lot with regard to "absolute capability", but from a practical standpoint they are about the same. There is rarely (never) a need for a cast over 50 yards if you are actually "fishing".8-)
There certainly is a need for a long cast when you don't have a boat or when you fish local small ponds.
It's really annoying when ppl try to shoot down my original question. If you don't want to answer it, then don't post. I purposely used the medium of a 5" weightless senko because pretty much everyone has used one and casted it. This is pretty much like a poll question except that I could not possibly know or list every baitcaster that everyone on this board owns.
Thanks to those who have actually answered the question. Your answers are very informational and very much appreciated
QuoteI want to know about casting distance. Disregarding experience level, which baitcaster have you owned that has given you the ability to absolutely launch a senko or other bait across the pond?
Okay,
Using a Shimano Calais 200 on a Lamiglas SR705R (glass rod) and #12 Yo-Zuri Hybrid Ultra Soft I have cast a Lucky Craft LV Max-500 (3/4 oz) just under 110 yards with a VERY strong wind. With the same equipment on the same day, I cast a 7" Senko approximately 85 yards.
Using a Shimano Stella 2500FB matched to a St. Croix Legend Elite ES70MF and #6 Yo-Zuri Hybrid Ultra Soft, a "normal" cast for me, fishing a 6" Senko or Fat Ika from the bank, ranges between 30 and 50 yards. With a strong wind I occasionally cast more than 75 yards with this set-up.
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I think we are mixing yard with feet its 3feet to a yard and the world record cast is is something like 150 yards with a 12 foot rod and a huge abu.
QuoteI think we are mixing yard with feet its 3feet to a yard and the world record cast is is something like 150 yards with a 12 foot rod and a huge abu.
I don't think World Records get the assistance of 50+ mph wind gusts.
100 yards is mighty long :-X
If looking for pure distance, you might want to consider the bearings in the reel, not the number but the type. I had an old Citica that had 1 spool bearing and 1 spool bushing. I changed those to ABEC-5 bearings and can cast it easier/farther than my newer Citica's that came with the 2 stainless spool bearings. If really looking for distance I would consider upgrading to some ABEC-7's. Here is a study that shows difference in casting distance with Ceramic Bearings:
http://heartlandtackleservice.com/ceramictest.stm
I can get 265 feet out of my Calcutta 400 TE and a hand built 5 ounce bait casting downwind with 20mph or so at my back.
So I would say that my best distance would be with a Calcutta 400 TE. Try throwing a weightless senko on one of those
It's seems that it is not how far you can throw em but where you throw em thats important.
ICSF (International Castingsport Federation) World Records
Multiplier Distance Double Handed (bait cast)
13 foot extra stiff rod and an ABU 2500 reel with special spool, 18 gram bait (0.635 oz)
Peter Thain Great Britain 114.67 meters (115 yds)
A few that are my favorite casters are my Daiwa Pixy, Sol, and TD-Z. I think the key to any reel is the right oil and keeping them clean from debris. I would really look at the Sol for the $170 range reel. They are out there if you look hard enough.
All my baitcasters can cast pretty far, but if I had to pick the best one, I'd go with my Alphas.
Even though it is not entirely, the original question is almost unanswerable, in the sense that there are so many factors....weight, line, rod, reel, wind, place, water conditions, etc.
The example was 10lb. mono/MH rod/5" Senko? Let's suppose you do get it about 60-70 yards out there, better have a circle hook on it, cuz your hooksets are gonna be pretty lame with 10lb mono that far out.
I can get a 1/2oz tube out at around 60-70 yards, but if I'm fishing out that far, I'll use braid. And just to get them out that far, you gotta really wing 'em hard and HIGH up in the air, just to get that kind of distance. Accuracy isn't too consistent either when you're chukin' 'em that hard and high.
My conditions are usually the many rivers here, so I'm usually fishing to 20-40 yards out from the boat.....but when wading, many times there IS a need for greater distance. Under those conditions, I'll use thin braid, 7'M rod, and 1/2oz tubes/spoons. With that equipment/gear, you'll get 60-70 yards EASILY with ANY Shimano or Daiwa baitcaster, maybe with any of the other brands too. Casting all day with two hands isn't the most relaxing way for me to fish though.
I'll take 10lb mono, a Daiwa Alpha, a 7'M rod, and 40 yard, one-handed casts, with anything out of my box, to the exact spot that I seen one boil, all day long over any of my 70 yard casts, with two hands. The longer casts always take me a few tries to get the exact spot that I want anyway.
Man, some of you folks are getting incredible distances. I've never had to make a 50 yard cast ever while bass fishing. I don't think I've even ever tried to cast that far while just practicing. A 50 foot cast for me, while fishing, is a long cast.
QuoteMan, some of you folks are getting incredible distances. I've never had to make a 50 yard cast ever while bass fishing. I don't think I've even ever tried to cast that far while just practicing. A 50 foot cast for me, while fishing, is a long cast.
Thats what I was thinking. I figure if I've ever cast beyond 30 yards, it was for no real good reason. Can't say I've ever even tried to "spool" a reel.
QuoteIf looking for pure distance, you might want to consider the bearings in the reel, not the number but the type. I had an old Citica that had 1 spool bearing and 1 spool bushing. I changed those to ABEC-5 bearings and can cast it easier/farther than my newer Citica's that came with the 2 stainless spool bearings. If really looking for distance I would consider upgrading to some ABEC-7's. Here is a study that shows difference in casting distance with Ceramic Bearings:http://heartlandtackleservice.com/ceramictest.stm
GREAT post! I'll have to look into that.
Well, I'll tell you guys what. Some of these yardage numbers seem incredibly long to me. I know that there really isn't any accurate way to determine how long you can cast other that "eyeing it".
Also, to the guy that said my original question is impossible to answer, you're wrong. Line, lure, and I believe I said rod length, were all mentioned. Some great replies so far guys
If you want distance & accuracy invest in a quality rod; all those bearings & stuff is just faking yourself out.
QuoteQuoteSome of these yardage numbers seem incredibly long to me. I know that there really isn't any accurate way to determine how long you can cast other that "eyeing it".Or, if you are fishing from the bank and cast parallel to the shore, you can "walk it off" for a pretty close estimate. Also, if you want to be "scientific" you can count the number of crank turns during retrieve and work the math. IPC (inches per crank) or sometimes referred as IPT (inches per turn) are specific to each reel. (Technically, this is an average as the EXACT retrieve varies slightly. The specifications are for a "full spool").
From a practical standpoint, an "average" cast is 25-30 yards. Twice that (50-60 yards) is probably as far or further than anyone actually casts for fishing.
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i have used them all from quantum to pinnicale Abu to shimano penn to daiwia and IMO u will never go wrong using shimano or garcia .All a man needs is Shimano or Garcia im surprised all other reels aint obsolete yet 8-)
QuoteIf you want distance & accuracy invest in a quality rod; all those bearings & stuff is just faking yourself out.
I have invested in "quality" rods in the past and they don't do $#*t.
QuoteI have invested in "quality" rods in the past and they don't do $#*t.
That seems a bit harsh. Everyone I know REALLY likes them. :
QuoteQuoteQuoteSome of these yardage numbers seem incredibly long to me. I know that there really isn't any accurate way to determine how long you can cast other that "eyeing it".Or, if you are fishing from the bank and cast parallel to the shore, you can "walk it off" for a pretty close estimate. Also, if you want to be "scientific" you can count the number of crank turns during retrieve and work the math. IPC (inches per crank) or sometimes referred as IPT (inches per turn) are specific to each reel. (Technically, this is an average as the EXACT retrieve varies slightly. The specifications are for a "full spool").
From a practical standpoint, an "average" cast is 25-30 yards. Twice that (50-60 yards) is probably as far or further than anyone actually casts for fishing.
8-)
I used the IPT to figure my longest cast as well. There are a few situations for me that an absolute monster cast is pretty much a must. In one lake in particular, I have never been bit within about 100 feet of the boat on a swimbait. The place is GIN clear and I guess boats just make the big girls a little nervous there.
I do agree that a quality rod, weight and aerodynamics of lure, and line are all as important as the reel.
QuoteDaiwa PixyDaiwa Steez
Daiwa Alphas Ito
Same for me
QuoteQuoteIf you want distance & accuracy invest in a quality rod; all those bearings & stuff is just faking yourself out.I have invested in "quality" rods in the past and they don't do $#*t.
I use a Calcutta 100A with the stock bearing that came in it and I'll challenge you to a competition of distance & accuracy anytime anywhere.
QuoteQuoteI have invested in "quality" rods in the past and they don't do $#*t.That seems a bit harsh. Everyone I know REALLY likes them. :
Thats because you hang out with that Elite Raul guy all the time
QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you want distance & accuracy invest in a quality rod; all those bearings & stuff is just faking yourself out.I have invested in "quality" rods in the past and they don't do $#*t.
I use a Calcutta 100A with the stock bearing that came in it and I'll challenge you to a competition of distance & accuracy anytime anywhere.
YES! You sound alot like "Tommy 'gun'" from Rocky 5, dude. lol
I don't get what you're trying to say. In response to your post in which you said to invest in a quality rod, I said that the rod, imo, doesn't matter if I have a pricey rod opposed to say a $50 BPS rod w/ the same action. I think that it depends more on the reel than anything else. Then you go on to mention your Calcutta, which I'm sure is a great reel for casting. So in essence, you're in agreement w/ me about the reel being the main factor in casting. I've yet to see what kind of impact changing the bearings would do to a reel, so I can't really give an opinion about that.
I didn't mean to offend you or anything, sorry if it came out that way.
Worst I've had was a Quantum Accurist followed closely by a Shimano Cruxis.
Best distance came from a Abu Garcia Revo SX, but it was always on the verge of disaster no matter how tight I cranked it down. That reel lasted a couple of days before something broke in it and it started grinding when cranked.
I don't think I get as much distance with my Zillion and Fuego as I did witht the Revo, but I trust them to work correctly all the time. I've never tested them against each other because I use them for different applications. A Steez and a 153HSTA were added this year, so I'll let you know when I use them.
A reel does not cast your bait your rod does
Look at the world record of 114.67 meter (115 yds.) with an 18 gram bait which is right at 5/8 of an ounce with an Abu Garcia 2500C reel, not exactly what you would call a high tech reel.
Look at a fly fishing setup; the reel do absolutely nothing but hold line yet the angler can obtain both distance and accuracy.
Why? Because of the rod!
I get the greatest distance out of the right rod and a well maintained reel.
I still dont know abou you guys casting a 100 yards, if so nice.
I'll agree that the rod does the work and a greater change in distance will come with rod changes, but reels do affect the distance.
Take a 12 foot world record thrower rod and put any reel on it. Crank the brakes as tight as they will go and see how far you can toss anything.
My buddy that's a (custodial) engineer would probably come up with an equation for the situation. Something like this
RS>LS= oops. That's a mess!
RS<LS= :-[ that didn' go very far
RS= Reel spool speed
LS= Lure speed
QuoteA reel does not cast your bait your rod does
Nope. And you're logic behind the fly rod theory is wrong. Fly fishing gear requires heavier LINE, which actually casts the bait. Read the post above this one, it's actually pretty good.
If you refuse to answer the original question, please don't post. I just asked a simple question, I have absolutely no idea why ppl feel that they need to "school" me about what does what. I'm sure other ppl would like to hear opinions of the casting ability of reels.
Thanks guys for the info, seems like I gotta get my hands on a Pixy sometime!
QuoteBest distance came from a Abu Garcia Revo SX, but it was always on the verge of disaster no matter how tight I cranked it down. That reel lasted a couple of days before something broke in it and it started grinding when cranked.I don't think I get as much distance with my Zillion and Fuego as I did witht the Revo, but I trust them to work correctly all the time. I've never tested them against each other because I use them for different applications. A Steez and a 153HSTA were added this year, so I'll let you know when I use them.
Oh man that is so disheartening! I'm actually planning on picking up that SX w/ an allstar rod to go w/ it to get the rebate. Maybe I'll get a good one since it seems like you got a lemon.
Oh, and I'll be anxiously awaiting the review of the 153HSTA!!
QuoteOh man that is so disheartening! I'm actually planning on picking up that SX w/ an allstar rod to go w/ it to get the rebate. Maybe I'll get a good one since it seems like you got a lemon.
I use an SX on my Team All Star 6'6' and 6'8" MHs. They go together like peas and carrots. Great combo and casts like a dream.
QuoteQuoteA reel does not cast your bait your rod doesNope. And you're logic behind the fly rod theory is wrong. Fly fishing gear requires heavier LINE, which actually casts the bait. Read the post above this one, it's actually pretty good.
If you refuse to answer the original question, please don't post. I just asked a simple question, I have absolutely no idea why ppl feel that they need to "school" me about what does what. I'm sure other ppl would like to hear opinions of the casting ability of reels.
Thanks guys for the info, seems like I gotta get my hands on a Pixy sometime!
You seem to know it all, why bother asking questions?
QuoteRaul's point was that any baitcaster can launch medium to heavy lures, lighter baits are more challenging. My reels probably vary a lot with regard to "absolute capability", but from a practical standpoint they are about the same. There is rarely (never) a need for a cast over 50 yards if you are actually "fishing".Ditto
I have never felt the need to cast a senko more than 15 yards.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteA reel does not cast your bait your rod doesNope. And you're logic behind the fly rod theory is wrong. Fly fishing gear requires heavier LINE, which actually casts the bait. Read the post above this one, it's actually pretty good.
If you refuse to answer the original question, please don't post. I just asked a simple question, I have absolutely no idea why ppl feel that they need to "school" me about what does what. I'm sure other ppl would like to hear opinions of the casting ability of reels.
Thanks guys for the info, seems like I gotta get my hands on a Pixy sometime!
You seem to know it all, why bother asking questions?
I ask questions because I acknowledge the fact that I don't "know it all". That was a great ASSumption from you though.
QuoteQuoteRaul's point was that any baitcaster can launch medium to heavy lures, lighter baits are more challenging. My reels probably vary a lot with regard to "absolute capability", but from a practical standpoint they are about the same. There is rarely (never) a need for a cast over 50 yards if you are actually "fishing".Ditto
I have never felt the need to cast a senko more than 15 yards.
8-)
I already replied to his post w/ a logical answer. I really don't know what else to say but, READ the thread before you post?
This thread is really dying a slow and painful death.....kinda makes me disappointed about what this forum is becoming
I'm obviously not is intelligent as you but I believe the reason for the weighed fly line is due to the fact that the lures weighs are about a gram or 2 but then again you already know this.
Revo SX on a Quantum Tour Edition 7' M. casts like a dream.
Falcon
muddy man,
Oh man, no truer words were ever posted......QuoteIt's seems that it is not how far you can throw em but where you throw em thats important.
Then the mods need to lock this sucker up. I thought this thread was a loaded question when first posted that could bring out argumentative natures, it did....QuoteThis thread is really dying a slow and painful death.....kinda makes me disappointed about what this forum is becoming
JMPO
Tight Lines!!!
QuoteI'm obviously not is intelligent as you
Nah, you not is intelligent is me partna' ;D
What a clown.
I can't believe I read this entire thread. I've done dumber things, though. :
Yup, done, locked.