BPS reels Junk? Or the Revo? 2024
SWMIBASSER reply :
I know everyone knows that the BPS reels are Pflueger or Pure fishing built....
But if you pull apart a BPS Extreme, and a Abu Revo they are the same d**n reel. Most parts interchange it looks like.
I know for sure that the handles, drag stars, gears, and drag components interchange.
So while most here think Shimano is the greatest thing since the invention of a woman, I think most wouldn't consider a Revo 'junk'.
The only thing an Extreme lacks is real quality bearings (which most production reels lack) and some aluminum components (drag star)
The are a very upgradeable reel.
The gear swap thing may be a way for 6.4.1 geared Abu guys to get a set of cheap 7.1 gears.
And the BPS guys can use the info to upgrade the drag washers, and handles.
What I really want is a set of Duralumin gears in 7.1 that will fit in the Revo. The Johnny Morris Signature series has them, but it has the screw on handle. Which changes the drive shaft. I'm not sure if it changes the actual gears or not.
The Revo when broken down is actually pretty light. That main gear and drag stack adds a bunch of weight to the reel.
Their is a Revo Aurora JDM reel that has 7.1 duralumin gears but they are in LH configuration.
cart7t reply :
The BPS Johnny Morris reels ARE NOT the same as the Pure fishing reels like a Revo or a Pflueger Patriarch.
The main gears will not interchange, they are physically way larger in the Morris reel compared to a Revo or Patriarch. I haven't had some of the newer Extremes apart to actually compare the main drive gear sizes but I don't think I'd go so far as to call an Extreme the same as the series 10 body that the Revo's and Patriarchs are built on.
A new BPS Pro Qualifier is built on the frame and the inner components would interchange with a Revo but I doubt an Extreme would.
You could get a duraluminum gear from a Pflueger Patriarch or a Summit and put it into a Revo with no problem. I've done it.
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteThe BPS Johnny Morris reels ARE NOT the same as the Pure fishing reels like a Revo or a Pflueger Patriarch.The main gears will not interchange, they are physically way larger in the Morris reel compared to a Revo or Patriarch. I haven't had some of the newer Extremes apart to actually compare the main drive gear sizes but I don't think I'd go so far as to call an Extreme the same as the series 10 body that the Revo's and Patriarchs are built on.
A new BPS Pro Qualifier is built on the frame and the inner components would interchange with a Revo but I doubt an Extreme would.
You could get a duraluminum gear from a Pflueger Patriarch or a Summit and put it into a Revo with no problem. I've done it.
It look like ALL parts interchange with the revo. All the levelwind components, the main gear, drag components, pinion gear and pinion holder, all the thumb bar components, etc, etc.
What is made of Duralumin on the Patriarch? Just the main gear? main and pinion? Driveshaft?
What parts did you swap in? Are they much lighter (the main brass gear seems VERY heavy to me)
Micro reply :
Cart, you should post your pics of your rebuild.
cart7t reply :
I don't have the pictures anymore but I swapped the crank side guts from a Revo S onto a Patriarch and vice versa.
The reels both worked perfectly though ergonomically the star drag sat funny on both reels due to the difference in the handle attachment methods.
The Morris reels are not the same as a Revo or a Patriarch/Summit. There is some minor mechanical difference in the pinion lifting assembly and the main drive gear is way too big to fit either a Revo or a Pflueger. The main shaft diameters are the same between the reels though.
The Patriarch/Summit has a duraluminum main gear. The pinion is brass. There is little difference between either a Patriarch or a Revo when it comes to the crankside of the reel. The drag stack is the same though the material in the Revo's seems slightly different. Main shaft diameter is identical between the two. While the outside of the frames has some slight differences between the 2 brands, the mechanics inside line up perfectly with one another.
Sam reply :
REVO. Hands down. REVO. 
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteREVO. Hands down. REVO.
Oh yeah. I was just bored... But still good info for BPS reel owners. And maybe the Abu guys can use the info to get cheaper gear swaps.....The extreme has a 5.4.1, 6.3.1, and 7.1.1 gear set that would swap right into a revo.
GRiver reply :
Are you saying Pflueger and Pure fishing makes the reels for Bass Pro Shops..I didn't know that.
Boogey Man reply :
QuoteAre you saying Pflueger and Pure fishing makes the reels for Bass Pro Shops..I didn't know that.
I don't think Plueger, Bass Pro, or Abu Garcia actually manufacture reels. It's one of the great mysteries, where is this factory in Korea pumping out all these reels?
cart7t reply :
QuoteAre you saying Pflueger and Pure fishing makes the reels for Bass Pro Shops..I didn't know that.
They are likely made in the same plant/plants.
MarauderYak reply :
The same factory that makes the BPS Extreme reels also makes the Revos, several Pflueger reels, and reels for other companies as well. You will find some parts interchange and others will not. Abu, BPS, etc own the tooling for their own frames, but since all these companies are working with the same engineers, the reels tend to end up with a lot of similarities.
Most every company out there uses factories that they don't own. Even the almighty Shimano uses an outside factory to make their higher end rods.
The Rooster reply :
I disagree that BPS reels are disposable. You're kidding, right?? None of mine fall in that category.
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteI disagree that BPS reels are disposable. You're kidding, right?? None of mine fall in that category.
It was a Joke.
To some=Women, Shimano, everything else.
Primus reply :
My wife or Shimano reels, that's a tough question
steezy reply :
QuoteMy wife or Shimano reels, that's a tough question
Easy, just get a Steez, you will enjoy it more and it will never cost you anymore than the original purchase price. 8-)
Grey Wolf reply :
QuoteI disagree that BPS reels are disposable. You're kidding, right?? None of mine fall in that category.
You're asking "The Sheriff of The Shimano Posse " if he's serious.
K_Mac reply :
QuoteQuoteI disagree that BPS reels are disposable. You're kidding, right?? None of mine fall in that category.You're asking "The Sheriff of The Shimano Posse " if he's serious.
Rooster, RW is not kidding. He has made that comment a number of times. He has the right to be wrong just like the rest of us.
The fact that BPS buys from an outside source and has their Logo applied seems to be a point of contention. It makes no sense to me, as I have said several times. :
Whether you buy BPS stuff or not makes no difference to me. I don't make a nickle one way or the other. I do think it is a LEGITIMATE option. 8-)
Sherlock 60 reply :
I once met Pete Maina at a seminar and asked him who built his BPS muskie reels. His reply was that he had no idea and that all reels are made by "some factory in China." This was about 4-5 years ago, so you can add Korean factories to the mix these days.
MarauderYak reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteI disagree that BPS reels are disposable. You're kidding, right?? None of mine fall in that category.You're asking "The Sheriff of The Shimano Posse " if he's serious.
Rooster, RW is not kidding. He has made that comment a number of times. He has the right to be wrong just like the rest of us.
The fact that BPS buys from an outside source and has their Logo applied seems to be a point of contention. It makes no sense to me, as I have said several times. :
The only time BPS "slaps" their logo on a reel is when you see the reel co-branded. For example, the KVD signature reel is made for BPS by Quantum & is an exclusive. Pretty much all retailers work with exclusive items that they can promote.
But for reels like the Pro Qualifier, Extreme, etc, BPS does the same thing many companies do with fishing gear. They find a manufacturing facility, work with engineers to design platforms, decide on the specs they want, work with field testers & pros, work out the cosmetics, then have it produced. It's the same process that Abu Garcia, St Croix, Shimano, Quantum, etc. use to have their products made. Even if the company owns the factory it's the same process. The only difference is that they control the production schedule.
No one ever says Shimano slaps their logo on a Cumara just because Shimano doesn't own the factory where they are made.
Tin reply :
QuoteQuoteMy wife or Shimano reels, that's a tough questionEasy, just get a Steez, you will enjoy it more and it will never cost you anymore than the original purchase price. 8-)
LOL :
BPS reels are disposable after two seasons of tough use in my book. They will never be in the same category as Abu, Daiwa, and Shimmy.
K_Mac reply :
The "disposable reels" that I have continue to work nicely after a couple of years of use and abuse. Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe they are better quality than some give credit.
I believe they are better quality, and that for the money they offer good value. My opinion is not theoretical. I own and use Extreme and Pro Qualifier reels regularly.
SWMIBASSER reply :
There is no reason why it would be a throw away. Any component that could be a wear or problem part will be available years later. Just buy for the Revo.
It has bearing supported comonents, and a metal frame. And all the parts should be available for some time.
GRiver reply :
Doesn't BPS have a parts dept all so? Why throw away when you can rebuild
GRiver reply :
Got it.. thanks RW
roadwarrior reply :
QuoteDoesn't BPS have a parts dept all so? Why throw away when you can rebuild
It's cheaper to replace than repair.
:-X
Gone_Phishin reply :
QuoteI once met Pete Maina at a seminar and asked him who built his BPS muskie reels. His reply was that he had no idea and that all reels are made by "some factory in China." This was about 4-5 years ago, so you can add Korean factories to the mix these days.
I'm not sure if his line of BPS reels have been updated since they were first introduced. Either way, at the very least, the first run of these reels are junk.
Crap reels + skis = trouble, cussing, lost fish, lost baits, partner thrown overboard, etc...
cart7t reply :
I have just disassembled one of the "New" version Pro Qualifiers.
Here's what I've found.
First, the palm plate release is a spring loaded pin vs the Pfluegers and Revo's which use a thumbscrew. A complaint of some Revo users has been the thumb, palm plate release screw coming loose under use. Mostly due to how an angler holds the reel. This spring loaded deal is NOT going to pop out under normal use.
Graphite endplates. If it's good enough for a Shimano Curado.....
Dual braking mechs are borrowed from Pflueger. The 6 pin spring loaded centrifugal and the 5 mag disc magnetic system.
The brass main drive gear is huge. Reminiscent of the Johnny Morris drive gear. The drag stack looks similar to the Revo's but not the same.
This reel has the nut handle attachment method vs the Pflueger style spin on handle.
The crankplate has the main drive gear lube access port on the bottom similar to the Extremes. Not a feature available on the Revo's or Patriarchs though it may be more expensive to machine that onto a aluminum crank plate vs. Graphite.
The inside mechanics are very similar though not the same. The actual measurements of this reel line up with a Revo exactly. I'm sure I could drop the guts of a Revo into this Pro Qualifier and it would work fine and vice versa.
The spool tension knob is not a click type.
All in all this seems like a very solid reel built on the same frame spec as the Revo and Pfluegers. I have no reason to see why this reel wouldn't last as long as the other main stream brands. As for the graphite? The stress points (under the main drive shaft, spool ends, etc. are properly supported by bearings. The fit and finish are in line with the name brands as well. On sale at $80, this reel is a good deal.
dodgeguy reply :
a shimano calais has the spin on handle style also.i like it much better than the old fashioned nut on the end.
The Rooster reply :
The new Abu Garcia Orra SX has the lube port on the bottom of the gearbox like the Pro Qualifier and Extreme does. But I think that reel has graphite sideplates too.
Goose52 reply :
QuoteI have just disassembled one of the "New" version Pro Qualifiers.Here's what I've found....
Great report - thanks for taking the time to type it up. I have a vested interest in this thread as I have 3 of the 2009 model Pro Qualifiers, as well as a 2009 Rick Clun and a 2009 Prolite. I got all of these reels (except 1 PQ) on sale for $80. One of the PQs I got on eBay for $40 - after cleaning and lube - it works as well as the new ones so I think I got a LOT of reel for $40.
All of these reels seemed to me to be good values for the money and with the features of higher-priced reels. Fit/finish and quality of components seemed good as well. I still plan on getting at least two more BPS reels - one of the new 4.7 ratios PQs, and at least one of the new Carbonlites.
As for longevity - I guess time will tell...
Incheon Basser reply :
QuoteI once met Pete Maina at a seminar and asked him who built his BPS muskie reels. His reply was that he had no idea and that all reels are made by "some factory in China." This was about 4-5 years ago, so you can add Korean factories to the mix these days.
bionic down ... china extreme up Korea... and i know who the OEM is ...
dodgeguy reply :
QuoteQuoteI once met Pete Maina at a seminar and asked him who built his BPS muskie reels. His reply was that he had no idea and that all reels are made by "some factory in China." This was about 4-5 years ago, so you can add Korean factories to the mix these days.bionic down ... china extreme up Korea... and i know who the OEM is ...
so why don't you tell us?
GRiver reply :
Please do
Incheon Basser reply :
The Korean OEM for those reels is a Korean company called Banax. they were owned by Daiwa in the 80's but became independent. The have there own line of reels here as well.. but pure fishing and Daiwa still produce reels through them
KSRonH reply :
cart7t, great report on the PQ. Sounds like for $80 bucks you can't go wrong.
LAO162 reply :
Cart7t, I'm hoping that in addition to the fantastic information you provided here, you can provide your subjective evaluation of these dual braking reels on my new thread... i.e. do they all perform similarly, or are there meaningful differences that justify significant price differences. Thanks
Goose52 reply :
QuoteThe Korean OEM for those reels is a Korean company called Banax. they were owned by Daiwa in the 80's but became independent. The have there own line of reels here as well.. but pure fishing and Daiwa still produce reels through them
Interesting - Banax has an English-language web site - it's mostly dated 2005 but I hit one link that said that their site was under construction and would be updated by January. Here's a link: http://www.banax.co.kr/eng/com/com0101.asp
Here's a photo of one of their reels...
Goose52 reply :
QuoteCart7t, I'm hoping that in addition to the fantastic information you provided here, you can provide your subjective evaluation of these dual braking reels on my new thread... i.e. do they all perform similarly, or are there meaningful differences that justify significant price differences. Thanks
A great question for anyone that has an answer. I'm especially interested in hearing from anyone that has the new Pflueger Patriarch XT. The new XT weighs 6.8 oz and I'm wondering if the new 6.7 oz BPS Carbonlite is some sort of "decontented" XT. In any event, I will be getting a Carbonlite as soon as I can get one on sale!
J Francho reply :
Quotea shimano calais has the spin on handle style also.i like it much better than the old fashioned nut on the end.
False: http://fish.shimano.com/media/fishing/SAC/techdocs/en/Low_Profile/05CL200A_v1_m56577569830570282.pdf
J Francho reply :
This reel looks familiar....
MarauderYak reply :
That Banax info is outdated. Banax does still make a lot of different reels for a lot of companies, but the upper end Pure fishing reels & BPS reels are not made at that factory. I've been to the factory that makes them recently. The Korean factory was just built a couple of years ago, but they've been making reels for quite a while. They've produced Pflueger reels for a long time, BPS reels for nearly as long, and helped Abu develop the Revo before they were part of Pure Fishing.
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteThe Korean OEM for those reels is a Korean company called Banax. they were owned by Daiwa in the 80's but became independent. The have there own line of reels here as well.. but pure fishing and Daiwa still produce reels through them
BANAX is still associated with Daiwa.
Goose52 reply :
QuoteThat Banax info is outdated. Banax does still make a lot of different reels for a lot of companies, but the upper end Pure fishing reels & BPS reels are not made at that factory. I've been to the factory that makes them recently. The Korean factory was just built a couple of years ago, but they've been making reels for quite a while. They've produced Pflueger reels for a long time, BPS reels for nearly as long, and helped Abu develop the Revo before they were part of Pure Fishing.
Can you identify the company? Or do you have a confidentiality agreement? Is there a web site? Inquiring minds would like to know!
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteQuoteThat Banax info is outdated. Banax does still make a lot of different reels for a lot of companies, but the upper end Pure fishing reels & BPS reels are not made at that factory. I've been to the factory that makes them recently. The Korean factory was just built a couple of years ago, but they've been making reels for quite a while. They've produced Pflueger reels for a long time, BPS reels for nearly as long, and helped Abu develop the Revo before they were part of Pure Fishing.Can you identify the company? Or do you have a confidentiality agreement?
take it from here:
http://www.banax.co.kr/eng/com/com0104.asp
MarauderYak reply :
QuoteQuoteThat Banax info is outdated. Banax does still make a lot of different reels for a lot of companies, but the upper end Pure fishing reels & BPS reels are not made at that factory. I've been to the factory that makes them recently. The Korean factory was just built a couple of years ago, but they've been making reels for quite a while. They've produced Pflueger reels for a long time, BPS reels for nearly as long, and helped Abu develop the Revo before they were part of Pure Fishing.Can you identify the company? Or do you have a confidentiality agreement?
It's an engineering company based out of Korea, with a factory in China as well. They don't have a web site. They are very well known within the industry, but their name wouldn't mean anything if you don't work with sourcing goods. I wouldn't give the name out myself, but if you know anyone working for a retailer that sells these reels, the name of the company is on the case packs the reels are shipped in.
cart7t reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteThat Banax info is outdated. Banax does still make a lot of different reels for a lot of companies, but the upper end Pure fishing reels & BPS reels are not made at that factory. I've been to the factory that makes them recently. The Korean factory was just built a couple of years ago, but they've been making reels for quite a while. They've produced Pflueger reels for a long time, BPS reels for nearly as long, and helped Abu develop the Revo before they were part of Pure Fishing.Can you identify the company? Or do you have a confidentiality agreement?
take it from here:
http://www.banax.co.kr/eng/com/com0104.asp
These guys are obviously not producing Pure fishing products. There is nothing in the Banax line of reels that I saw that even remotely looks tooled anywhere close to a Revo or Patriarch. They do have a reel that looks similar to the BPS KVD sig reel.
MarauderYak reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat Banax info is outdated. Banax does still make a lot of different reels for a lot of companies, but the upper end Pure fishing reels & BPS reels are not made at that factory. I've been to the factory that makes them recently. The Korean factory was just built a couple of years ago, but they've been making reels for quite a while. They've produced Pflueger reels for a long time, BPS reels for nearly as long, and helped Abu develop the Revo before they were part of Pure Fishing.Can you identify the company? Or do you have a confidentiality agreement?
take it from here:
http://www.banax.co.kr/eng/com/com0104.asp
These guys are obviously not producing Pure fishing products. There is nothing in the Banax line of reels that I saw that even remotely looks tooled anywhere close to a Revo or Patriarch. They do have a reel that looks similar to the BPS KVD sig reel.
Ding, ding, ding. They DO make quite a few Quantum reels.
J Francho reply :
Quantums, BPS, Pfluegers....who cares where they're made? They are definitely NOT Scottish, and you know what that means....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCrT96QJBfQ
K_Mac reply :
QuoteQuantums, BPS, Pfluegers....who cares where they're made? They are definitely NOT Scottish, and you know what that means....
Not that there's anything wrong with that......
Incheon Basser reply :
QuoteThat Banax info is outdated. Banax does still make a lot of different reels for a lot of companies, but the upper end Pure fishing reels & BPS reels are not made at that factory. I've been to the factory that makes them recently. The Korean factory was just built a couple of years ago, but they've been making reels for quite a while. They've produced Pflueger reels for a long time, BPS reels for nearly as long, and helped Abu develop the Revo before they were part of Pure Fishing.
I have a friend who works at the Incheon Banax Factory and he says they make pure fishing reels.... i might have to ask him to take me on a tour... But banax is the largest and best renowned reel company in Korea.... their own line is all manufactured in the plant in China... the only stuff they produce in incheon is OEM's for other companies. Maybe the two companies are related or my friend is blowing smoke up my arse.. but he said he could get me an employee discount on any pure fishing reel I wanted... but i don't like pure fishing.. but I am buying all of the Banax Bait-caster line just for the collection
Incheon Basser reply :
here is the link to the Korean language version... for those who can't speak Korean... it has many more reels than the english version and the all look familiar to me
http://www.banax.co.kr/pro/pro0101.asp?ct=1&cm=2
cart7t reply :
Even the Korean site has product that looks like some BPS KVD sig/Low end Quantum stuff.
Nothing even remotely resembling a pure fishing reel like a Revo or Patriarch/President/Summit.
Micro reply :
Actually, Silstar (aka Pinnacle) produces OEM reels for Pure Fishing and BPS (though some BPS reels are clearly Quantums). Whether they are associated with Banax is unknown to me. What is well known is the Silstar/Pure Fishing tie. Tackle Tour, who has the best contacts, reported that some time ago.
One only need to compare features to see that the Sistar connection is indisputable. Silstar created the logo latch for the sideplate on BPS reels. Their spools and frames are identical. The frames are nearly identical. Magnetic brake dials are identical. More recent evidence is that as soon as Silstar introduced their new magnetic brake last year, the exact same brake showed up on new Abu and Pflueger reels. Silstar's slogan: Fishing for life. Abu's slogan: Abu Garcia for life. Silstar's USA office is even in Columbia, SC, just like Pure Fishing's.
http://silstar.co.kr/index.php
MarauderYak reply :
QuoteQuoteThat Banax info is outdated. Banax does still make a lot of different reels for a lot of companies, but the upper end Pure fishing reels & BPS reels are not made at that factory. I've been to the factory that makes them recently. The Korean factory was just built a couple of years ago, but they've been making reels for quite a while. They've produced Pflueger reels for a long time, BPS reels for nearly as long, and helped Abu develop the Revo before they were part of Pure Fishing.I have a friend who works at the Incheon Banax Factory and he says they make pure fishing reels.... i might have to ask him to take me on a tour... But banax is the largest and best renowned reel company in Korea.... their own line is all manufactured in the plant in China... the only stuff they produce in incheon is OEM's for other companies. Maybe the two companies are related or my friend is blowing smoke up my arse.. but he said he could get me an employee discount on any pure fishing reel I wanted... but i don't like pure fishing.. but I am buying all of the Banax Bait-caster line just for the collection
I'm actually not 100% sure right now if Banax still makes some reels for Pure; they may very well. I just know they don't make any of the Revo line, or any upper end Pflueger reels.
And now that you mention it... I'm almost positive that the engineers at the company that DOES make the reels in question split off from Banax some time ago. I know they split off from one of the big factories.
MarauderYak reply :
QuoteActually, Silstar (aka Pinnacle) produces OEM reels for Pure Fishing and BPS (though some BPS reels are clearly Quantums). Whether they are associated with Banax is unknown to me. What is well known is the Silstar/Pure Fishing tie. Tackle Tour, who has the best contacts, reported that some time ago.One only need to compare features to see that the Sistar connection is indisputable. Silstar created the logo latch for the sideplate on BPS reels. Their spools and frames are identical. The frames are nearly identical. Magnetic brake dials are identical. More recent evidence is that as soon as Silstar introduced their new magnetic brake last year, the exact same brake showed up on new Abu and Pflueger reels. Silstar's slogan: Fishing for life. Abu's slogan: Abu Garcia for life. Silstar's USA office is even in Columbia, SC, just like Pure Fishing's.
http://silstar.co.kr/index.php
That Silstar info was true a long, long time ago, but not any more. Shakespeare actually filed suit against Silstar like 15 years ago when they broke ties.
Goose52 reply :
Quote.....Silstar created the logo latch for the sideplate on BPS reels. ..........
Well, a lot of BPS reels certainly do have palm-side covers that look a lot like this Silstar model...
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteQuote.....Silstar created the logo latch for the sideplate on BPS reels. ..........Well, a lot of BPS reels certainly do have palm-side covers that look a lot like this Silstar model...
One could also say that the handle looks similar to Daiwa handles, the star drag looks like a Curado star...
Otherwise that reel doesn't have much in common with anything else I've seen.
In any event the point of this thread was that if you buy a BPS Extreme or Clunn reel you WILL be able to buy internal parts for it, later on down the road. Possibly years down the road.
Goose52 reply :
QuoteIn any event the point of this thread was that if you buy a BPS Extreme or Clunn reel you WILL be able to buy internal parts for it, later on down the road. Possibly years down the road.
That's what I'm hoping for too ... since I have 1 Rick Clunn, 3 Pro-Qualifiers, and 1 ProLite now - and have another PQ, and at least one Carbonlite, on the shopping list (and I should have gotten one more ProLite before they were gone too!!)
Micro reply :
QuoteThat Silstar info was true a long, long time ago, but not any more. Shakespeare actually filed suit against Silstar like 15 years ago when they broke ties.
What's Shakespeare got to do with this? Shakespeare was under different ownership back then. Shakespeare has since been purchased by Jarden Corp and falls under Jarden's Pure Fishing umbrella just like Pfluegfer, Abu Garcia and Penn, among others.
Sorry, the evidence is too great for me to believe Silstar/Pinnacle is not the OEM manufacturer of BPS reels and Pure Fishing companies. As of 2007, Tackle Tour reported that Pinnacle was the OEM producer for reels for the largest fishing tackle e-tailer. That would be BPS, no?
J Francho reply :
QuoteQuoteThat Silstar info was true a long, long time ago, but not any more. Shakespeare actually filed suit against Silstar like 15 years ago when they broke ties.
What's Shakespeare got to do with this? Shakespeare was under different ownership back then. Shakespeare has since been purchased by Jarden Corp and falls under Jarden's Pure Fishing umbrella just like Pfluegfer, Abu Garcia and Penn, among others.
Sorry, the evidence is too great for me to believe Silstar/Pinnacle is not the OEM manufacturer of BPS reels and Pure Fishing companies. As of 2007, Tackle Tour reported that Pinnacle was the OEM producer for reels for the largest fishing tackle e-tailer. That would be BPS, no?
If you've ever actually had a Pinnacle branded reel apart, next to a BPS and Pure Fishing product, you'd see the truth in this. They all have the same guts
Pantera61 reply :
Pure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.
J Francho reply :
QuotePure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.
This wasn't the case before?
Pantera61 reply :
QuotePure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.
You can't think of this in American market terms completely. It's a global company with a significant Japanese, European and Australian market. We only see a portion of what's available through Pure Fishing. Take a gander at their website and see what's available in other parts of the world. It's an eye opener.
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteQuotePure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.This wasn't the case before?
Pflueger and Abu were in direct competition before. With both companies under the same corporate umbrella, there is a change in strategy. Stop and think about Pure Fishing's withdrawal from FLW sponsorship.
SWMIBASSER reply :
QuoteQuotePure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.You can't think of this in American market terms completely. It's a global company with a significant Japanese, European and Australian market. We only see a portion of what's available through Pure Fishing. Take a gander at their website and see what's available in other parts of the world. It's an eye opener.
I know Australia has some cool stuff.
Pflueger Supreme XTS spinning reel, and Abu Revo Premier Elite.
J Francho reply :
I hear you...
QuoteStop and think about Pure Fishing's withdrawal from FLW sponsorship.
I try not to think too much about Pure Fishing's marketing strategy, LOL. I just don't care enough. As long as I can still get my black Power Worms.
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteQuoteQuotePure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.You can't think of this in American market terms completely. It's a global company with a significant Japanese, European and Australian market. We only see a portion of what's available through Pure Fishing. Take a gander at their website and see what's available in other parts of the world. It's an eye opener.
I know Australia has some cool stuff.
Pflueger Supreme XTS spinning reel, and Abu Revo Premier Elite.
I own 3 of the Premier Elites. Umm, they rock!
cart7t reply :
QuoteQuoteQuotePure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.This wasn't the case before?
Pflueger and Abu were in direct competition before. With both companies under the same corporate umbrella, there is a change in strategy. Stop and think about Pure Fishing's withdrawal from FLW sponsorship.
That's not jiving with what they've done with Pflueger adding the Patriarch XT, a refined Patriarch.
If you looked currently at both Garcia and Pflueger's lines, Garcia has the very low end with the Black and Silver Max, then Pflueger picks up above those price points then the Revo's enter the picture at the $120 mark up to $170 for the STX, then the Patriarch and XT at $200 and $250 with the Premier taking top spot.
While they seem to have most price points covered, there is a lot of jumping around between brands as you crossover different price points moving up the $$ scale.
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePure Fishing is in the process of realigning their line of reels, making Revo top of the line.This wasn't the case before?
Pflueger and Abu were in direct competition before. With both companies under the same corporate umbrella, there is a change in strategy. Stop and think about Pure Fishing's withdrawal from FLW sponsorship.
That's not jiving with what they've done with Pflueger adding the Patriarch XT, a refined Patriarch.
If you looked currently at both Garcia and Pflueger's lines, Garcia has the very low end with the Black and Silver Max, then Pflueger picks up above those price points then the Revo's enter the picture at the $120 mark up to $170 for the STX, then the Patriarch and XT at $200 and $250 with the Premier taking top spot.
While they seem to have most price points covered, there is a lot of jumping around between brands as you crossover different price points moving up the $$ scale.
Above the Patriarch is the Premier, Skeet Reese, Elite, Aurora and Akatsuki. The last two at the near $500.00 mark. Look beyond America!
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