This topic may have been done to death but im just wondering for my t rig/jig rig. I plan on using as little as 1/8 up to 3/8 of an ounce.
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Kistler Magnesium, iRod Genisis 2 is popular, Powell Inferno. There are many choices in this price point. A MH/F will probably do the trick unless you're using heavy wire hooks, then maybe get a heavy.
Id look for a used avid or cumara.
Just was wondering im getting a tatula or type r tatula and want to be able to feel everything. Right now im running my revo s on a vengeance rod. Not so sensitive
On 12/23/2014 at 9:24 AM, ChrisWi said:Kistler Magnesium, iRod Genisis 2 is popular, Powell Inferno. There are many choices in this price point. A MH/F will probably do the trick unless you're using heavy wire hooks, then maybe get a heavy.
Just a question, have you used any of those rods? I don't think you should comment on them if you haven't used them before.
Pertaining to the OP, its really up to you. I vote my Powell Endurance.
Im really liking the look of the kistler magnesium
Dobyns champion
Phenix Recon
Powell endurance
Kistler Klx
Duckett white ice
Cashion
Various St. Croix rods
*** black
Falcon bucoo
Various Shimano rods
Quantum smoke
Daiwa tatula
Bps Carbonlite
See how this works is... You'll hear 100 different answers. Some people don't even own or have minimal use of what they recommend. Some people just repeat what they hear elsewhere. There is no real right answer to this question.
The Tatula is a nice $90 rod that's out right now. Pair it with a tatula reel for $95 and you have yourself a nice combo for $200.
very nice rods. Built super good. Dont own one but handled them and got to fish with one for a bit and considered getting one myself.On 12/23/2014 at 9:36 AM, kingmotorboat said:Im really liking the look of the kistler magnesium
What line do you intend to use? Braid & carbon lines can really help overcome a rods lack of feel..
I have a few rods in that price range... a St. Croix Premier and a couple of the Kistler Carbon Steel. I didn't get to fish the Kistlers a whole lot as I got them near the end of the season, but I'd say the Carbon Steel are more sensitive than the Premier (and lighter).
Tight lines,
Bob
On 12/23/2014 at 9:39 AM, rippin-lips said:Dobyns champion
Phenix Recon
Powell endurance
Kistler Klx
Duckett white ice
Cashion
Various St. Croix rods
*** black
Falcon bucoo
Various Shimano rods
Quantum smoke
Daiwa tatula
Bps Carbonlite
See how this works is... You'll hear 100 different answers. Some people don't even own or have minimal use of what they recommend. Some people just repeat what they hear elsewhere. There is no real right answer to this question.
The Tatula is a nice $90 rod that's out right now. Pair it with a tatula reel for $95 and you have yourself a nice combo for $200.
I understand its kind of an open ended question haha
On 12/23/2014 at 9:51 AM, Alonerankin2 said:What line do you intend to use? Braid & carbon lines can really help overcome a rods lack of feel..
I have 30# power pro braid on my vengeance but thats going to become my spinnerbait/topwater rod and reel. The tatula and new rod will be my soft plastics/jig rig. I will string it eith fluoro. My question is this. If i go with a medium fast *** black. Will the lighter power sacrifice the sensitivity
Will going with a medium power sacrifice the sensitivity? Curious into the mechanics of rods.
I'd go with a Mh. M action rods are under powered for most jigs.On 12/23/2014 at 10:07 AM, kingmotorboat said:I have 30# power pro braid on my vengeance but thats going to become my spinnerbait/topwater rod and reel. The tatula and new rod will be my soft plastics/jig rig. I will string it eith fluoro. My question is this. If i go with a medium fast *** black. Will the lighter power sacrifice the sensitivity
No matter if it's a medium or a medium heavy sensitivity isn't changed.
I use a heavy ***, and don't own the medium, however I don't see where that matters.. The *** has excellent feel with carbon, palms sweetly with a 50 size reel. Tatula is a bit bigger, I would wonder how the rod & reel together would palm? *** has a tiny grip...overall the *** has great feel though.
See I'm the exact opposite. I couldn't stand the *** and sold it. Basically what I was saying earlier OP. No real answer.
I love my *** Black. Its a darn good rod for $100-$120.
As for M or MH, that is a tricky one. According to rod rating, it would look like the M would probably be better for 1/8 oz-3/8 oz but I am not sure how the backbone is of a Medium powered ***. I have a 7'3" MH and I feel like it would be really tough to cast an 1/8 oz jig or T-Rig on it. Its a stiff rod. Being so stiff, Im guessing a Medium would be your better guess.
An interesting note...according to ***, the ML spinning rod is made for those weights...
They are stiff...
On 12/23/2014 at 9:39 AM, rippin-lips said:Dobyns champion
Phenix Recon
Powell endurance
Kistler Klx
Duckett white ice
Cashion
Various St. Croix rods
*** black
Falcon bucoo
Various Shimano rods
Quantum smoke
Daiwa tatula
Bps Carbonlite
See how this works is... You'll hear 100 different answers.
Truth. Better be safe and get one of each. You know... For science.
On 12/23/2014 at 10:09 AM, ChrisWi said:I'd go with a Mh. M action rods are under powered for most jigs.
I primarily fish soft plastics over jigs. Reason i asked is because of the weight rating on the *** mh
On 12/23/2014 at 10:33 AM, Master Bait said:Truth. Better be safe and get one of each. You know... For science.
Clearly this is the best option for me lol
I'd handle an *** before I get one. Was planning on getting one till I held it. Handle is way too small for me and it felt cheap.On 12/23/2014 at 10:36 AM, kingmotorboat said:I primarily fish soft plastics over jigs. Reason i asked is because of the weight rating on the *** mh
On 12/23/2014 at 10:29 AM, ataris41 said:I love my *** Black. Its a darn good rod for $100-$120.
As for M or MH, that is a tricky one. According to rod rating, it would look like the M would probably be better for 1/8 oz-3/8 oz but I am not sure how the backbone is of a Medium powered ***. I have a 7'3" MH and I feel like it would be really tough to cast an 1/8 oz jig or T-Rig on it. Its a stiff rod. Being so stiff, Im guessing a Medium would be your better guess.
An interesting note...according to ***, the ML spinning rod is made for those weights...
I use 3/8 jigs but use about 3/16 weight on my t rig mostly depending on the current
On 12/23/2014 at 10:39 AM, ChrisWi said:I'd handle an *** before I get one. Was planning on getting one till I held it. Handle is way too small for me and it felt cheap.
Tough decisions abroad for me.
On 12/23/2014 at 10:36 AM, kingmotorboat said:I primarily fish soft plastics over jigs. Reason i asked is because of the weight rating on the *** mh
I think you would be better off getting a Medium. But like somone else said, Make sure you handle an ***. Some people dont like the handle. But for soft plastics with an 1/8 oz up to 3/8 oz I think a Medium would work. I would look at reels that are known for casting smaller baits too, like a shimano 50 series reel.
I know how ya feel. I'm having troubles decieding between a few rods.On 12/23/2014 at 10:43 AM, kingmotorboat said:Tough decisions abroad for me.
On 12/23/2014 at 9:15 AM, kingmotorboat said:This topic may have been done to death but im just wondering for my t rig/jig rig. I plan on using as little as 1/8 up to 3/8 of an ounce.
Edit-casting rod
On 12/23/2014 at 9:29 AM, kingmotorboat said:Just was wondering im getting a tatula or type r tatula and want to be able to feel everything. Right now im running my revo s on a vengeance rod. Not so sensitive
On 12/23/2014 at 10:07 AM, kingmotorboat said:I have 30# power pro braid on my vengeance but thats going to become my spinnerbait/topwater rod and reel. The tatula and new rod will be my soft plastics/jig rig. I will string it eith fluoro. My question is this. If i go with a medium fast *** black. Will the lighter power sacrifice the sensitivity
I have/used the exact set-up of Tatula 7'M/F OmenBlack with 3/8oz jig rage craw trailer and would say pass on the combo.
One, dont think the rod/reel work together well with the different balance of the reel on the skinny handle of the rod. Always had a feeling of the reel wanting to fall/twist to the handle side.
Two, 3/8oz jig seemed too much for the rod especially with fluoro. To me the tip's power is too soft.
Three, The combo is getting up there in overall weight, now to some that doesnt matter but letting you know its not all that lightweight at nearly 13oz. Other combos in the same price range performance range can be 3-4 ounces lighter. Thats quite a difference over a days use.
The rod M/F can do the 1/8 well but would put different reel on it. If really wanting the Tat and 3/8oz jig go different rod or higher power you may like the feel.
On 12/23/2014 at 10:44 AM, ataris41 said:I think you would be better off getting a Medium. But like somone else said, Make sure you handle an ***. Some people dont like the handle. But for soft plastics with an 1/8 oz up to 3/8 oz I think a Medium would work. I would look at reels that are known for casting smaller baits too, like a shimano 50 series reel.
Thats why i liked at the tatula type r looked like its a great mixture of big bait casting and lighter spool for the smaller stuff
On 12/23/2014 at 10:47 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:I have/used the exact set-up of Tatula 7'M/F OmenBlack with 3/8oz jig rage craw trailer and would say pass on the combo.
One, dont think the rod/reel work together well with the different balance of the reel on the skinny handle of the rod. Always had a feeling of the reel wanting to fall/twist to the handle side.
Two, 3/8oz jig seemed too much for the rod especially with fluoro. To me the tip's power is too soft. Three, The combo is getting up there in overall weight, now to some that doesnt matter but letting you know its not all that lightweight at nearly 13oz. Other combos in the same price range performance range can be 3-4 ounces lighter. Thats quite a difference over a days use.
The rod M/F can do the 1/8 well but would put different reel on it. If really wanting the Tat and 3/8oz jig go different rod or higher power you may like the feel.
Kind of response i was looking maybe i should pair it with a tatula m/h or maybe the kistler i liked. Also looking at the duckett ghost and falcon bucoo
I think there are better rods out there than a bucoo. Dont be afriad to spend more money, better to have a rod that you like than a rod that's not exactly what you want but get it because it's cheaper. I've made that mistake in the past.On 12/23/2014 at 10:53 AM, kingmotorboat said:Kind of response i was looking maybe i should pair it with a tatula m/h or maybe the kistler i liked. Also looking at the duckett ghost and falcon bucoo
Didn't read all the replies, but
1. might be difficult casting your 1/8 oz jig on a baitcaster (will depend on the reel and your skills)
2. find a rod with a foregrip, spool your reel with some good fluoro, and hold/ touch/ feel the line while retrieving.
On 12/23/2014 at 11:11 AM, deep said:Didn't read all the replies, but
1. might be difficult casting your 1/8 oz jig on a baitcaster (will depend on the reel and your skills)
2. find a rod with a foregrip, spool your reel with some good fluoro, and hold/ touch/ feel the line while retrieving.
The 1/8oz reference was more referring to my t rig weight. My jig choice is usually 3/8 5/16 or 1/4
All the recommendations I'm certain are good. One more: don't overlook the lowly Cabela's Fish Eagle Rod. Promise.
Old school basser...
I own the older shimano crucial (black with eva grips) and personally think it is a fantastic Rod for the price point. Check out a dicks sporting goods in your area, you might be able to snag a deal, just picked up another one on clearance for $65 after tax!!!!! See if you can beat that quality for that price!!!!
This too may have been mentioned already but a brand to consider along with the many others, would be Fenwick, they have several series of rods in the price range you are looking for: HMX, HMG, and Elite Tech Bass rods.
Okuma
http://www.bassresource.com/fishing_lures/tournament-rod-reel-okuma.html
Well, here's another one. I purchased a Diawa Lexa earlier this year. Very light , and had a fast action. Just ordered another one in spinning. For under a hundred bucks they are awesome so far.
I paid $150 for a complete running boat.
St Croix Rage. To me both the casting and spinning are very sensitive rods. I have the 6'10" M/XF spinning for tubes and wacky rigs and the 7'1" MH/F and MH/XF casting rods for jigs and trigs.
Over the last couple years I think I got rabies from the tackle Monkey.
My most sensitive casting rods are:
Abu Villain & Vendetta; BPS CarbonLite;*** *** Black; Diawa Tatula & Ardito (a 3 pc. travel); Abu Veritas. In that order.
Less sensitive casting rods are (from most to least):
Fenwick Silver Hawk; St. Croix Premier; Abu Vengeance; BPS Crankin Stick.
Funny thing is, my favorites are my Veritas. They're light, load up and cast great with whichever reel I've mounted on them.
I'd also have to say the difference in sensitivity from top to bottom is very slight, with exception of my ML/F Crankin Stick, which feels like a rubber band but throws light spinner baits pretty well. All of these rods, except for the Villain, are $150 or less.
Like others have already posted, all of this is subjective. What feels good to me might not feel the same to someone else. If you don't get a chance to fish the rods you're looking at, at the very least try to get to the store and handle them.
Good luck with your rod choice, and Merry Christmas!
On 12/23/2014 at 9:32 AM, asianboywonder said:Just a question, have you used any of those rods? I don't think you should comment on them if you haven't used them before.
Pertaining to the OP, its really up to you. I vote my Powell Endurance.
Harsh. You would cut recommendations by 2/3rds at least.
I read a lot. I often will recommend rods that others are giving great reviews on. I try to always mention I have no experience with a rod if I don't. I fail to see the harm in me mentioning that the KLX is getting great reviews or that the Powell rods are considered very nice rods at their price point even if i don't own or have never fished either one. BTW, got my first Powell (an Endurance a few weeks ago). Looking forward to next year.
I am a fan of Fenwick, both the Elite Tech Smallmouth and the Aetos. Lot of rod for your money. I like my *** since I cast 2-handed. I wouldn't like it if I only used one hand, Handle is too thin for me. Very nice rod otherwise. The Tatula rods are also getting good reviews. I've purchased 3, but was only able to get out with one for a few minutes so can't comment from personal experience.............yet. Zillion rods are on closeout at TW. I like the couple I have.
On 12/23/2014 at 10:57 AM, ChrisWi said:I think there are better rods out there than a bucoo. Dont be afriad to spend more money, better to have a rod that you like than a rod that's not exactly what you want but get it because it's cheaper. I've made that mistake in the past.
That is what makes this type of post so hard to get a usable answer to--everyone has their ideas what are the best rod in their price range and they are right--they are perfect for them--I personally think the falcon BuCoo micro is a great rod in this price range
Familiarity increases sensitivity. Choose a rod that loads well with the weights you've chosen, protects the line you will use and controls the fish you expect to catch. After those considerations, familiarize yourself with how every little leaf, rock, twig and lure feel as you use that rod. Practice, practice, practice...
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On 12/23/2014 at 10:09 AM, ChrisWi said:I'd go with a Mh. M action rods are under powered for most jigs.
Don't tell him that... Not all M power rods are the same and there are plenty of jigs in the 1/8oz - 3/8oz range I'd throw on a M/F and never look back.
Phenix m1 spend the extra cash! It's awesome I have several.
Really leaning towards the kistler magnesium or klx just gotta find one and put my hands pn it
The build quality on *** Blacks can be below average, but the blank is fantastic. In my hands, it beats an EVA Crucial and a Veracity.
The Tatula is on my list. I've heard good things about performance and quality from reputable members here and elsewhere.
On 12/24/2014 at 2:30 AM, Cgrinder said:The build quality on *** Blacks can be below average, but the blank is fantastic. In my hands, it beats an EVA Crucial and a Veracity.
The Tatula is on my list. I've heard good things about performance and quality from reputable members here and elsewhere.
I read the tackle tour review and said well it seemed like tgey weren't so hot on it but my opinion may differ. Seems like the answer to my question is whichever i like the best lol
I don't know about the most sensitive but of the rods that I have used at this price point (or even ones above this point) I like the Shimano Compre (2 or model years ago) and the Fenwick HMG's (3-4 yrs ago).
I like them both better than the St Croix Avid (a few years ago) that I have.
I bought a MH for the Shimano as it was all that they had in stock on sale. I'm glad that I did as the MH feels more like M but it does hold up like you would expect a MH to.
I bought a Shimano Crucial the same day as the Compre and like the Compre hands down over the Crucial.
I have both a spinning and a casting HMG. I got both on great deals and wish that I would have bought several more of ea.
It doesn't hurt that I got great deals on all of them (including the St Croix)
if I remember right I got the Compre for $39 or $49(?) (Crucial for $79?)
I got the HMG spinning for something like $60 (?)
I got the St Croix for $100 shipped to my door I'm always contemplating selling the St Croix as it doesn't do anything for me but shipping and packaging is too much of a pain to mess with.
I'd rather flex a hook then not hook it in the first place. I always find myself wanting a heavier rod while fishingOn 12/24/2014 at 12:47 AM, Catch and Grease said:Don't tell him that... Not all M power rods are the same and there are plenty of jigs in the 1/8oz - 3/8oz range I'd throw on a M/F and never look back.
On 12/24/2014 at 8:19 AM, ChrisWi said:I'd rather flex a hook then not hook it in the first place. I always find myself wanting a heavier rod while fishing
Okay, good luck fishing a 1/8oz jig on a true MH, the OP said he is gonna be using jigs and Texas rigs in the 1/8-3/8oz range. You not gonna be fishing 1/8Oz jigs with a gigantic flipping hook on them so backbone won't be a problem, buy the rod that will throw the weights you need/want to throw and in the OP's case that very well may be a M powered rod.
Whoa guys didn't mean to start any trouble lol. Looking into the tatula and the klx and kistler magnesium. All in medium heavy.
On 12/24/2014 at 10:15 AM, kingmotorboat said:Looking into the tatula and the klx and kistler magnesium. All in medium heavy.
I didn't mention the KLX because it's a bit above your listed price range. I have two of them and I think they are NICE rods.
Tight lines and Merry Christmas,
Bob
Just remember Op that this is the Internet and I'll leave it at that.
1/8 with 5" + worm will be more about 1/4 +On 12/23/2014 at 11:15 AM, kingmotorboat said:The 1/8oz reference was more referring to my t rig weight. My jig choice is usually 3/8 5/16 or 1/4
1/4 jig with trailer is closer to 3/8
And so on and so on. A mh would be fine. There's more to picking a rod than just power. Plus there is no industry standard on labeling a rods power. I have a heavy rod that I'd throw a 1/4 jig with trailer and it'd do fine. Also fluoro has some stretch and that can help too.
I just picked up my first klx recently and am really looking forward to catching something.
it's all preference. I can cast 3/16 fine on a 7 MH. I just think a MH is much more versitile than a M. Especially if he's going to fish around any cover. Good look turning the head on a 5 pounder with a M.On 12/24/2014 at 9:34 AM, Catch and Grease said:Okay, good luck fishing a 1/8oz jig on a true MH, the OP said he is gonna be using jigs and Texas rigs in the 1/8-3/8oz range. You not gonna be fishing 1/8Oz jigs with a gigantic flipping hook on them so backbone won't be a problem, buy the rod that will throw the weights you need/want to throw and in the OP's case that very well may be a M powered rod.
I'm just trying to get you to realize that not all mediums and medium-heavys are the same, Your telling him not to buy any medium power rods. I have a medium power rod rated up to 3/4oz but what I can't use it for jigs because it doesn't have enough backbone? Of course medium heavys would be good and probably even a better choice in a lot of cases but don't tell some guy that you shouldn't fish jigs on a medium power rod because that is just bad advice. I'd get something rated for around 1/4oz to 1oz and could care less if they slapped the words medium or medium heavy on the side.
that's an obvious statement. And chances are a medium doesn't have enough backbone. If he wants something that can effectively fish both a MH is a better choice. I had a few M action rods and not enough power to set the hook on a long cast or when I'm fishing cover. M action rods have there place but to me it's not for jigs/t-rigs.On 12/24/2014 at 2:26 PM, Catch and Grease said:I'm just trying to get you to realize that not all mediums and medium-heavys are the same, Your telling him not to buy any medium power rods. I have a medium power rod rated up to 3/4oz but what I can't use it for jigs because it doesn't have enough backbone? Of course medium heavys would be good and probably even a better choice in a lot of cases but don't tell some guy that you shouldn't fish jigs on a medium power rod because that is just bad advice. I'd get something rated for around 1/4oz to 1oz and could care less if they slapped the words medium or medium heavy on the side.
Right now you can find the previous Gen Crucials on clearance. This would be the best imo.
As for the standard price I'd say Fenwick Aetos and Elite Tech Smallmouth. I haven't bought or used the latest ET, but the previous generation is pure awesome. Best bang for your buck.
On 12/24/2014 at 2:07 PM, ChrisWi said:it's all preference. I can cast 3/16 fine on a 7 MH. I just think a MH is much more versitile than a M. Especially if he's going to fish around any cover. Good look turning the head on a 5 pounder with a M.
I caught an 8lb on a 5'4" UL with 4lb Super Natural. You can turn the head on anything if you have the drag set properly and give it time.
On 12/30/2014 at 7:59 AM, Tywithay said:I caught an 8lb on a 5'4" UL with 4lb Super Natural. You can turn the head on anything if you have the drag set properly and give it time.
Lots of people catch big fish on light line. Saltwater guys do much better on line weight versus fish weight. BTW, my biggest fish ever, a 35 lb. carp, was caught on a 9' fiberglass rod (designed for fishing live nightwalkers) with the drag locked down and using 8 lb. Trilene XL that had been on the reel for a few years. Definitely a fight that lasted more than a few minutes. Somewhere in the area of 25 to 30 minutes if I remember correctly. Lots of fun.
I know, but if he's fishing cover you don't have time. I steelhead fish with 6 pound test, I know.On 12/30/2014 at 7:59 AM, Tywithay said:I caught an 8lb on a 5'4" UL with 4lb Super Natural. You can turn the head on anything if you have the drag set properly and give it time.
So i ended up with a 6,10 medium *** with 12# invisx. Can't wait to use
On 12/23/2014 at 9:24 AM, ChrisWi said:Kistler Magnesium, iRod Genisis 2 is popular, Powell Inferno. There are many choices in this price point. A MH/F will probably do the trick unless you're using heavy wire hooks, then maybe get a heavy.
Have you used the rods that you are recommending?
On 12/30/2014 at 1:31 PM, kingmotorboat said:So i ended up with a 6,10 medium *** with 12# invisx. Can't wait to use
I have this same rod and use it for a lot of different things. Great rod and handles light t rigs/jigs just fine. It also makes a great jerk bait/top water rod.
used a magnesium once and I own a inferno.On 12/30/2014 at 9:25 PM, John G said:Have you used the rods that you are recommending?
Holy crap i just put the *** on tge 6,10 ***. Friday cant come soon enough it is amazingly light. And looks sexy as all get out. Im used to using a 7 foot vengeance medium heavy and a revo s lol. Huge change. Would love to post pics but have no clue how.