Is rod sensitivity more about feeling bites or feeling bottom/structure? 2024
The Maestro reply :
I've read that super sensitive rods (like an NRX) really excel when it comes to fishing bottom contact presentations. I don't do much of that. I mostly fish weeds vertically on short-medium range pitches. I guess my question is do you think I'd detect more bites with the most sensitive rods available? I feel like I'm probably not missing many fish but have any of you noticed that you could feel more bites with super sensitive/high end rods when fishing the way I described.
Not_Here reply :
quick answer is yes on both accounts, more sensitive blanks help a blind man feel what the terrain is and can change how you may be presenting the jig or whatever pending, or fouled out for that matter...blank, line and thumb/finger all play a part...and many times, the biggest of girls can have the most subtle bite/pick up etc...you wouldnt even know if missed a fish or not...bait when in and spit back out before you felt anything or ever aware it happened...that scenario can still can happen with high end blanks...but the more dead the stick, the more you're gonna miss and didnt even know it and/or made you too late pulling the trigger...
The Maestro reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 3:15 AM, Frog Turds said:quick answer is yes on both accounts, more sensitive blanks help a blind man feel what the terrain is and can change how you may be presenting the jig or whatever pending, or fouled out for that matter...blank, line and thumb/finger all play a part...and many times, the biggest of girls can have the most subtle bite/pick up etc...you wouldnt even know if missed a fish or not...bait when in and spit back out before you felt anything or ever aware it happened...that scenario can still can happen with high end blanks...but the more dead the stick, the more you're gonna miss and didnt even know it and/or made you too late pulling the trigger...
I'm sure I still miss some bites on those super subtle takes and drops. But like you said even the most sensitive set up probably wouldn't transmit those. For the way I fish, line watching, managing the slack and concentrating on the feel or weight of the bait have probably resulted in more caught fish than actually feeling the bite through the rod.
Fishin' Fool reply :
Are you asking if a high end rod will make you a better fisherman? Maybe. Maybe not. But they are a whole lot more fun to fish with. I was fine with a Johnny Morris rod before I got my first NRX. Be careful because they make fishing other rods less fun.
The Maestro reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 4:27 AM, Fishin' Fool said:Are you asking if a high end rod will make you a better fisherman? Maybe. Maybe not. But they are a whole lot more fun to fish with. I was fine with a Johnny Morris rod before I got my first NRX. Be careful because they make fishing other rods less fun.
I guess I'm asking if it's worth it to pay top dollar for sensitivity for an application where it may not be the most important thing for detecting bites. The rods I use are mid to mid-high level but I hear you about the addictive nature of fishing with high end gear. It just enhances the whole experience even if it's not necessarily resulting in more fish.
Fishin' Fool reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 4:37 AM, The Maestro said:I guess I'm asking if it's worth it to pay top dollar for sensitivity for an application where it may not be the most important thing for detecting bites. The rods I use are mid to mid-high level but I hear you about the addictive nature of fishing with high end gear. It just enhances the whole experience even if it's not necessarily resulting in more fish.
I upgraded my rods a few years back. My suggestion is find deals. Tacklewarehouse was selling NRX at 40% off during the Bassmaster Classic so getting a NRX for $340 was worth it to me. I ended up buying 2 for that price and sold 1 after 1 season for what I paid for it. Buy what your budget can afford. Would I buy those rods again at a discounted price? In a hearbeat!
Not_Here reply :
bottom line with everything considered, will a more sensitive stick for bottom contact be another piece of the puzzle that assists you to be more successful? My personal opinion, hell yes as its helped me and many others...Jig is one of my bread & butters and I'll never forget the noticeable difference in general how much more I could feel and sense going from a dead stick to a sensitive one, night & day...and as stated, higher end sticks are much more pleasurable to fish with, same goes with reels...
if there was only 1 stick of all sticks where i'd only suggest to invest your hard earned change on, the one where sensitivity matters most, that is you're bottom contact stick...
I'll say this; is something i've said to myself and is of no offense...but ignorance is bliss and cheaper on the pocket book...atleast for me, once I crossed the line with sticks and reels, ignorance was no longer bliss and cost myself thousands haha...the same thing happens to many of us and will continue for countless others...no one starts out with $3-400.00 dollar on up reels and 3,4,$500.00+ sticks...its progressive like any thing else/sport you become more & more passionate about and experienced with...and no one is to tell you or others how you should/shouldnt spend your earned cash (excluding significant other) 
do people start out their mountain biking passion with carbon fiber bikes or golfers with a bag full of high end clubs etc...? most certainly not, its progressive...
NorthernBasser reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 3:15 AM, Frog Turds said:you wouldnt even know if missed a fish or not...
Which is where the old adage comes into play for fishing- "What you don't know won't hurt you". 
Seriously though. Most of my "higher" end rods are between $150-$200 (but I wait for 20% off sales). I've been wanting to try an NRX for some time for jigs/t-rig. But man, that's a lot of coin. And like Fishin' Fool said, using one makes using your other rods less fun. I think that's my biggest worry.
Not_Here reply :
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Scott F reply :
For some people, the extra sensitivity is worth the money. For me, much above the $100 price point, I can't feel the difference. I've got GLoomis and high end St Croix's, along with cheaper St. Croix's and other custom rods. In a blind test, I can't tell the difference.
Fishin' Fool reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 6:17 AM, Frog Turds said:it is a legit worry...unless I was rolling in the cash and could afford it just because to have all my arsenal top shelf which isnt the case here, so only my bottom contact sticks will I spend that kind of money...for moving baits, its unnecessary going that route and well down the list of importance on my scale...
reels are different story with me, I love the performance and feel of high end reels...Id put a 400.00 reel on a 100.00 stick before Id saddle a 100.00 reel on a 400.00 stick...
That's an interesting perspective. I'd always want to sink my money into the rod. I'll assume your buying mostly expensive casting reels? My highest end rods are spinning but I also live in Michigan home of ultra clear water and 5 pound fish are huge.
Not_Here reply :
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MickD reply :
If you are not using braid don't expect much from a high end rod. If you are using braid and a high end rod then you are fishing the most sensitive combo possible. With any rod the biggest gain in sensitivity is to use braid. An FC leader of reasonable length will not cost significant sensitivity.
Stephen B reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 7:01 AM, MickD said:If you are not using braid don't expect much from a high end rod. If you are using braid and a high end rod then you are fishing the most sensitive combo possible. With any rod the biggest gain in sensitivity is to use braid. An FC leader of reasonable length will not cost significant sensitivity.
Not sure what you mean by don't expect much. An NRX, GLX, Conquest, K2, Legend Elites, Legend Xs and Destroyers with fluorocarbon are fantastic and extremely sensitive. These rods are top of the line and I have no problem at all detecting bites, structure, etc with fluorocarbon. You are correct in that braid has no stretch thus transmits more vibration but there is a time and place for fluorocarbon, braid, and mono. I don't have trouble detecting bites and thorough enjoy fishing all of them with fluorocarbon. 100% pleased regarding sensitivity.
SB
Mobasser reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 6:29 AM, Scott F said:For some people, the extra sensitivity is worth the money. For me, much above the $100 price point, I can't feel the difference. I've got GLoomis and high end St Croix's, along with cheaper St. Croix's and other custom rods. In a blind test, I can't tell the difference.
I agree with this. I think you could ask a few very experienced jig fisherman, and they would tell you it's more than just the rod hat allows them to hook more fish. Sure, nice rods can help, but experienced fisherman catch the fish that others never feel, even with mid quality rods.
TBAG reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 4:43 AM, Fishin' Fool said:I upgraded my rods a few years back. My suggestion is find deals. Tacklewarehouse was selling NRX at 40% off during the Bassmaster Classic so getting a NRX for $340 was worth it to me. I ended up buying 2 for that price and sold 1 after 1 season for what I paid for it. Buy what your budget can afford. Would I buy those rods again at a discounted price? In a hearbeat!
Wow, wish I had known about that deal. My next rod is going to be an 853c but I just can't justify the retail price. I've been keeping an eye out on a deal like that.
Stephen B reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 8:52 AM, Mobasser said:I agree with this. I think you could ask a few very experienced jig fisherman, and they would tell you it's more than just the rod hat allows them to hook more fish. Sure, nice rods can help, but experienced fisherman catch the fish that others never feel, even with mid quality rods.
On 2/5/2019 at 6:29 AM, Scott F said:For some people, the extra sensitivity is worth the money. For me, much above the $100 price point, I can't feel the difference. I've got GLoomis and high end St Croix's, along with cheaper St. Croix's and other custom rods. In a blind test, I can't tell the difference.
I tend to agree for the most part with this. While the difference between an Abu Garcia Veritas to a G Loomis GLX is significant regarding sensitivity IMO and detecting structure, bites, etc is amplified with a more sensitive rod, ultimately you are correct in that experience in invaluable. Buying an expensive rod will help in detecting some bites, but you are right on regarding your assessment in that buying an expensive rod doesn't necessarily make you a great fisherman. Rods are just tools allowing us fisherman to complete a task, which is to catch fish.
Fishin' Fool reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 8:55 AM, TBAG said:Wow, wish I had known about that deal. My next rod is going to be an 853c but I just can't justify the retail price. I've been keeping an eye out on a deal like that.
I'm with you. I just got lucky and was reading this website and someone had pointed it out. I went back and forth about spending that much money on a rod which I know is $200 less than retail. I pulled the trigger and have been happy ever since.
Phil B reply :
If you want to see if there is a difference in cheap and quality rods, go to someplace like Academy sports and pick up a cheap rod and a quality rod in each hand. Have someone click their fingernail on it at the end. Which one do you feel the click on better.
Catt reply :
Google every Pro you can think of & see how many use G. Loomis.
According to what's wrote above it should be every one of them!
CrankFate reply :
Both. But I still prefer less sensitive rods. I swing way too hard and fast for a stiff sensitive rod for nearly all the fishing I do. Sensitivity is overrated in a lot of ways, but is probably more important to guys fishing mono CP or FC only rigs. Braid is too sensitive, especially under 20’ deep. Since I only fish braid, the less sensitive rods are still bordering on too sensitive. For example, fishing a C-Rig I bumped a beer can 1/3 filled with soil. It rolled a little and bumped back on my hook, so I slammed the hook and reeled up a perfect two hole hookset in the can. I have done this many times, before learning the feel of submerged cans. Anything more sensitive and I’m swinging at the bubbles from turtles when they hit the line.
LCG reply :
If you have the money go for it, too rich for my blood. I think there is a point where you get the most sensitive bang for your buck. For me that's $200.
WRB reply :
Light weight well balanced rods are a pleasure to fish with but high price doesn't directly reflect strike detection. Strike detection is a skill developed by the angler regardless of the rods modulus, it's about line movements or lack of.
Tom
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
An overlooked aspect of better rod sensitivity or overall sensitivity is feeling the fight of the fish after it is hooked which also has benefits. Adding to this is the line type and braid is near the top (feel nanofil is more sensitive than braid). A very sensitive rod lined with braid and you feel every shake twist jerk direction change way better than FC or mono, they dont come close. As just a recreational fisherman the feel of the fight is a priority for me.
LegendaryBassin reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 1:11 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:An overlooked aspect of better rod sensitivity or overall sensitivity is feeling the fight of the fish after it is hooked which also has benefits. Adding to this is the line type and braid is near the top (feel nanofil is more sensitive than braid). A very sensitive rod lined with braid and you feel every shake twist jerk direction change way better than FC or mono, they dont come close. As just a recreational fisherman the feel of the fight is a priority for me.
Interesting. I have never heard anyone every mention that. Explain if you don't mind.
On 2/5/2019 at 12:46 PM, WRB said:Light weight well balanced rods are a pleasure to fish with but high price doesn't directly reflect strike detection. Strike detection is a skill developed by the angler regardless of the rods modulus, it's about line movements or lack of.
Tom
I agree for the most part with this. Knowing what to look for in terms of line jumping and line movements is important. However, sometimes you have to rely more on feel which is detected easier with a more sensitive rod especially when they just pick it up which I notice they do a lot for me in the winter.
Catt reply :
Jordan Lee
2017/2018 Bassmaster Classic Champion & the inaugural MLF Bass Pro Tour trophy.
Rod of choice
Quantum Vapor $129.99
Just think what he could win with a high end rod!
Mobasser reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 7:16 PM, Catt said:Jordan Lee
2017/2018 Bassmaster Classic Champion & the inaugural MLF Bass Pro Tour trophy.
Rod of choice
Quantum Vapor $129.99
Just think what he could win with a high end rod!
I agree 100% Catt. So many folks think a certain rod is the cure all for missed strikes. Not so
Sam reply :
Both.
You need to "feel" what is on the bottom and at the same time you need to "feel" the bites.
Remember, the bait on the bottom hits something and sends the vibrations up the line to the rod's tip and into the rod where you feel it. Your brain takes that information and translates into what it believes is on the bottom, be it a rock, piece of wood, grass, Jimmy Hoffa's body, etc.
A light rod with a strong rating can transmit the vibrations back to your hand or finger. The G. Loomis rods are expected to do this and they are light rods while being very expensive.
Of course, when you throw a plastic Texas rigged or a Carolina/Ned Rig/MOJO/Jig/Biffle Bug/Tokyo Rig, etc. you can feel what is on the bottom with your finger on the line as it comes off the spool. You can also feel what your moving baits are hitting as you reel them back to you.
When you visit a river, creek, pond or lake you may want to throw only a tungsten "weight" on your line and drag it back to yourself so you can figure out what is on the bottom. And if you get snagged and have to cut your line you lose only the weight and not a bait.
Maestro, it takes a lot of practice to be able to understand what is on the bottom. Just go out there and start concentrating on what you feel and if you get any strikes after collision with what is on the bottom. Have fun!
TOXIC reply :
Notwithstanding the fact that price doesn't always reflect quality, you have to be aware of what I call "information overload". That's the reason I don't like tungsten for dropshot weights. Too much information for my brain to process and results in missing bites or misinterpreting bites. There is a happy medium you need to find.
Catt reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 7:47 PM, Sam said:Both.
You need to "feel" what is on the bottom and at the same time you need to "feel" the bites.
Exactly!
And be able to distinguish between the two.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 1:11 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:An overlooked aspect of better rod sensitivity or overall sensitivity is feeling the fight of the fish after it is hooked which also has benefits. Adding to this is the line type and braid is near the top (feel nanofil is more sensitive than braid). A very sensitive rod lined with braid and you feel every shake twist jerk direction change way better than FC or mono, they dont come close. As just a recreational fisherman the feel of the fight is a priority for me.
On 2/5/2019 at 2:05 PM, LegendaryBassin said:Interesting. I have never heard anyone every mention that. Explain if you don't mind.
Explained in whats highlighted. Example of a benefit would be knowing if a fish is coming up to jump you can feel this happening in a better fashion know earlier and be ready for it to breach or even make correction so fish doesnt get chance to jump. While fighting a fish its more difficult to watch line movement so using feel helps in control.
Being able to better feel fish pull shake twist just amplifies the enjoyment of the fight.
MickD reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 7:40 AM, Stephen B said:Not sure what you mean by don't expect much.
My point is that with FC and mono the most sensitive rods still will not be very close to their potential for sensitivity. Regardless of the rod, the biggest improvement in sensitivity will be when one switches from FC or mono to braid. Since sensitivity, as far as I know, cannot be objectively measured, it is an opinion. No data, just my subjective observations.
JLBBass reply :
sorry, but at some point.........it' all in your mind! I'll take my $200 rods (which i usually buy at least 30% off.....St Croix & Dobyns), and my $200-$250 reels (which i usually buy up to 50% off.....example: Pflueger Patriarch XT, retail $249, I bought 2 at Pflueger's site a couple weeks ago for $90!). Nothing like having 250 in a new $500 oufit!
The Maestro reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 7:16 PM, Catt said:Jordan Lee
2017/2018 Bassmaster Classic Champion & the inaugural MLF Bass Pro Tour trophy.
Rod of choice
Quantum Vapor $129.99
Just think what he could win with a high end rod!
On 2/5/2019 at 10:09 AM, Catt said:Google every Pro you can think of & see how many use G. Loomis.
According to what's wrote above it should be every one of them!
On 2/5/2019 at 12:46 PM, WRB said:Light weight well balanced rods are a pleasure to fish with but high price doesn't directly reflect strike detection. Strike detection is a skill developed by the angler regardless of the rods modulus, it's about line movements or lack of.
Tom
This begs the question. Is sensitivity over rated?
Tennessee Boy reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 6:29 AM, Scott F said:I've got GLoomis and high end St Croix's, along with cheaper St. Croix's and other custom rods. In a blind test, I can't tell the difference.
Yeah, I've done a few blind test and it changed they way I buy rods. Can anyone really tell me why a NRX rod is better than your typical $150 rod? I'm looking for facts not opinions. Their web sites says they are insanely light but doesn't say how much they weight. It says they use "cutting edge graphite technology". What is that? I think for a lot of people, it boost their confidence to fish with a $600 rod. Other than that, it's hard for me to quantify any real differences between a Gloomis and a Quantum.
The Maestro reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 9:48 PM, PolarKraft195Pro said:sorry, but at some point.........it' all in your mind! I'll take my $200 rods (which i usually buy at least 30% off.....St Croix & Dobyns), and my $200-$250 reels (which i usually buy up to 50% off.....example: Pflueger Patriarch XT, retail $249, I bought 2 at Pflueger's site a couple weeks ago for $90!). Nothing like having 250 in a new $500 oufit!
I saw the deal on the Patriarchs. They must be clearing them out for a revamped "new and improved" version. I have one and it's a nice reel. At $90 it's a good snag for sure.
TOXIC reply :
I "believe" that sensitivity is germane to the fisherman and his or her experience level. The "skill" of fishing improves with experience. I also "believe" that at some point you have reached the maximum amount of sensitivity that our hands can receive through the rod. It's no different to me than buying a big screen TV with 1 million pixels of HD viewing capability but the satellite signal I receive only transmits at 500,000 pixels. I wasted money on a product that far exceeds what is needed.
KP Duty reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 7:16 PM, Catt said:Jordan Lee
2017/2018 Bassmaster Classic Champion & the inaugural MLF Bass Pro Tour trophy.
Rod of choice
Quantum Vapor $129.99
Just think what he could win with a high end rod!
The pros fish what their sponsors instruct them to; usually around the $100-$120 range because that is the largest and most competitive segment of the rod market. But no, it doesnt affect their fishing. Japanese anglers typically spend more on their tackle, so tahkiro gets to use zillions to influence that market, while all the American daiwa pros use tatulas.
Not_Here reply :
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islandbass reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 5:23 AM, Frog Turds said:...I'll say this; is something i've said to myself and is of no offense...but ignorance is bliss and cheaper on the pocket book...atleast for me, once I crossed the line with sticks and reels, ignorance was no longer bliss and cost myself thousands haha...the same thing happens to many of us and will continue for countless others...no one starts out with $3-400.00 dollar on up reels and 3,4,$500.00+ sticks...its progressive like any thing else/sport you become more & more passionate about and experienced with...and no one is to tell you or others how you should/shouldnt spend your earned cash (excluding significant other)
do people start out their mountain biking passion with carbon fiber bikes or golfers with a bag full of high end clubs etc...? most certainly not, its progressive...
Boy oh boy is there some truth in that, not only fishing but just about any other hobby.
If and when you decide to step up in class, grade or level, it is very, very, very x 10^100 hard to go backward.
Fortunately in fishing, good stuff is still reasonably affordable.
I was a mountain biker back in the day when use of carbon fiber was coming into its own like on the Specialized Stumpjimper. Wow, that a ways back now, lol. All I had was my low end, chrome-moly Raleigh bike but I made the best of it and either kept up with with folks with better gear or kicked their butts, since the “engine” is almost always superior to the technology. To illustrate, Greg Lemond in his prime would still kick your phanny in a race even if you had that carbon fiber road bike and he used a huffy.
To the topic, I think it definitely couldn’t hurt to use a rod that is more sensitive. Their was a video from the reel test where he compared to rods and I think one was an NRX and it seemed to him that it was better than the lower end rod in the sensivity department.
Unfortunately for me, even an ugly stik is sensitive in my hands so I know if I held an NRX or like rod, I know I’m going to react too soon and that is going to cost me. That is why I won’t get GLX or NRX rods because they will actually make fishing worse for me. ???? lol.
punch reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 11:13 PM, Tennessee Boy said:Yeah, I've done a few blind test and it changed they way I buy rods. Can anyone really tell me why a NRX rod is better that your typical $150 rod? I'm looking for facts not opinions. Their web sites says they are insanely light but doesn't say how much they weight. It says they use "cutting edge graphite technology". What is that? I think for a lot of people, it boost their confidence to fish with a $600 rod. Other than that, it's hard for me to quantify any real differences between a Gloomis and a Quantum.
One thing that I think isn't really being talked about when you bring companies like Gloomis into this kind of argument is the fact you're largely paying for the craftsmanship that's involved with their products. Companies like Loomis & Croix build their blanks from scratch, by hand, in a very long (and expensive) process.
A NRX/Legend rod's level of sensitivity is somewhat subjective, BUT when you're buying a USA hand-made rod you're going always pay more for that product. Yes St Croix has lower end rods that they make in Mexico, but when you're talking about a GLooomis or Croix Legend you have to take into consideration that you're paying a premium for that rod to be touched by many american workers throughout it's creation. Some customers feel a sense of pride in that.
Are they 'better' rods than what's pumped out by companies who buy blanks from korea/china/japan and have them assembled overseas? That's a matter of opinion from the consumer.
If you've not watched the Gloomis factory tour video's on Tackle Warehouse's youtube, I highly suggest it. Yes it's a few years old but it helped me realize WHY gloomis rods are so expensive.
WRB reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 10:06 PM, The Maestro said:
This begs the question. Is sensitivity over rated?
What is Sensitivety? There isn't a fishing rod on the market any price that can attenuate line movements going though the guides, every rod can an does dampen vibration to some degree. The most sensitive component to line movement is you using a combination of sight and feel, mostly feeling line movements with your finger tips. Today's rods are light weight high modulus graphite with very low friction guide trains to reduce dampening line movement that we feel. Strike detection is the ability to determine a bass has the lure in it's mouth from a combination of reduced or increased line pressure and line movements. Experience using specific lures and knowing their rate of fall or pressure it takes to move the lures is important in determining strikes. Using a well balanced light weight rod that doesn't greatly dampen line movements is important fishing bottom contract lures like jigs and worms.
Line type is debatable as long as the slack is controlled you can feel movements, if it is slack you can't. Line diameter increases drag going though water, the larger the diameter the more drag. Nylon has more coeffient of drag then FC, braid is very soft, light weight and has a high coeffient of drag but is the smallest diameter to lb test. Each has it's strengths and weakness.
Tom
Team9nine reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 10:06 PM, The Maestro said:This begs the question. Is sensitivity over rated?
I would say it's not over rated, but it does need to be kept in proper perspective. There are some presentations and techniques where it's very important, and some where it isn't. Additionally, there is always a balance of factors involved, because other factors like casting ability and playing fish are equally important and come into play. Sometimes the most sensitive rods don't have the best attributes to match the other qualities you might want. There are almost always trade-offs.
TOXIC reply :
Short story:
I was having a conversation with Kim Stricker of Hook N' Look last year in my buddys garage on St Clair. He told a story of filming a guy dragging a crankbait back to the boat. Said he watched a largemouth hit and spit the crankbait 4 times and the guy never felt it or set the hook. Wonder if he didn't have a sensitive enough rod?
Tennessee Boy reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 1:38 AM, punch said:One thing that I think isn't really being talked about when you bring companies like Gloomis into this kind of argument is the fact you're largely paying for the craftsmanship that's involved with their products. Companies like Loomis & Croix build their blanks from scratch, by hand, in a very long (and expensive) process.
A NRX/Legend rod's level of sensitivity is somewhat subjective, BUT when you're buying a USA hand-made rod you're going always pay more for that product. Yes St Croix has lower end rods that they make in Mexico, but when you're talking about a GLooomis or Croix Legend you have to take into consideration that you're a premium for that rod to be touched by many american workers throughout it's creation. Some customers feel a sense of pride in that.
Are they 'better' rods than what's pumped out by companies who buy blanks from korea/china/japan and have them assembled overseas? That's a matter of opinion from the consumer.
If you've not watched the Gloomis factory tour video's on Tackle Warehouse's youtube, I highly suggest it. Yes it's a few years old but it helped me realize WHY gloomis rods are so expensive.
I am willing to pay a premium for a product that engineered and made in the US by craftsmen who care about the product. St Croix makes the case on their website about America made craftsmanship. They also give pretty detailed specs on their rods and what they are made of. I don't see this for gloomis. There is a five year old video tour of their US factory on youttube. Are their rods still made there? If it says so on their website, I can't find it.
Stephen B reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 11:13 PM, Tennessee Boy said:Yeah, I've done a few blind test and it changed they way I buy rods. Can anyone really tell me why a NRX rod is better that your typical $150 rod? I'm looking for facts not opinions. Their web sites says they are insanely light but doesn't say how much they weight. It says they use "cutting edge graphite technology". What is that? I think for a lot of people, it boost their confidence to fish with a $600 rod. Other than that, it's hard for me to quantify any real differences between a Gloomis and a Quantum.
I highly recommend trying an NRX. Worth is an individuals opinion. You may be surprised at the difference.
LegendaryBassin reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 3:34 AM, Stephen B said:I highly recommend trying an NRX. Worth is an individuals opinion. You may be surprised at the difference.
On 2/6/2019 at 2:50 AM, TOXIC said:Short story:
I was having a conversation with Kim Stricker of Hook N' Look last year in my buddys garage on St Clair. He told a story of filming a guy dragging a crankbait back to the boat. Said he watched a largemouth hit and spit the crankbait 4 times and the guy never felt it or set the hook. Wonder if he didn't have a sensitive enough rod?
Exactly! Right on point TOXIC. Most people who knock the expensive rods haven't tried them. Are they necessary? Absolutely not. Are they amazing and make fishing more enjoyable over value rods? Heck yes!! No questions about it.
All rods are not created equal, even high end rods. Just because the price is high doesn't mean it's going to have better performance. For example, just because a rod retails for $399 doesn't mean that price is justified as other rods at the same price could perform 10X better and you would love. Also, go out and fish these rods. Sensitivity tests people in stores people use I have found to be subpar at judging performance. Find a buddy or local fisherman who has one and ask to fish it for a weekend.
If you can't see paying the money, that is perfectly acceptable and I could understand. However, worth is in the eye of the beholder. I will gladly pay to have my St Croix, Megabass, G Loomis, and Phenix rods. That's for every angler to decide. I will gladly let someone demo my rods and I have never heard/seen anyone upset after fishing them.
LxVE Bassin reply :
Any rod with braided line is sensitive.
punch reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 3:25 AM, Tennessee Boy said:I am willing to pay a premium for a product that engineered and made in the US by craftsmen who care about the product. St Croix makes the case on their website about America made craftsmanship. They also give pretty detailed specs on their rods and what they are made of. I don't see this for gloomis. There is a five year old video tour of their US factory on youttube. Are their rods still made there? If it says so on their website, I can't find it.
I'm pretty sure Gloomis is still located in their Woodland, WA factory. Where they build their rods from start to finish.
Fishin' Fool reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 10:09 AM, Catt said:Google every Pro you can think of & see how many use G. Loomis.
According to what's wrote above it should be every one of them!
How many of those pros pay for their rods though? It's another thing when you are getting rods handed to you by a sponsor.
Catt reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 6:06 AM, punch said:I'm pretty sure Gloomis is still located in their Woodland, WA factory. Where they build their rods from start to finish.
G. Loomis was bought out by Shimano ????
On 2/6/2019 at 7:12 AM, Fishin' Fool said:How many of those pros pay for their rods though? It's another thing when you are getting rods handed to you by a sponsor.
There are Pros at the bottom of the pack that have to look for sponsorships.
There are Pros at the top of the pack that can choose their sponsors.
Keep in mind Pros are bass heads like us & are constantly looking for that little advantage.
Sam reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 9:14 PM, Catt said:
Exactly!
And be able to distinguish between the two.
Catt, I have missed so many rocks, trees, bushes, etc. when setting the hook that I have lost count. 
TBAG reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 3:25 AM, Tennessee Boy said:I am willing to pay a premium for a product that engineered and made in the US by craftsmen who care about the product. St Croix makes the case on their website about America made craftsmanship. They also give pretty detailed specs on their rods and what they are made of. I don't see this for gloomis. There is a five year old video tour of their US factory on youttube. Are their rods still made there? If it says so on their website, I can't find it.
Pretty sure they still build them in Washington state.
Do you fish with ALL American made rods/reels/lures? Just curious.
Catt reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 8:55 AM, Sam said:Catt, I have missed so many rocks, trees, bushes, etc. when setting the hook that I have lost count.
I knows the feeling quite well ????
There's the feel of a bite & there's the feel of the bottom & then there's the awe ****!
Tennessee Boy reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 9:02 AM, TBAG said:Pretty sure they still build them in Washington state.
Do you fish with ALL American made rods/reels/lures? Just curious.
No but I am willing to pay extra for American made all things being equal. Most of my rods are American made. All of my reels are made in Japan.
punch reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 8:53 AM, Catt said:
G. Loomis was bought out by Shimano ????
There are Pros at the bottom of the pack that have to look for sponsorships.
There are Pros at the top of the pack that can choose their sponsors.
Keep in mind Pros are bass heads like us & are constantly looking for that little advantage.
Yes, everyone knows Shimano owns Gloomis. This happened like way back in 1995? Not sure why it's relevant when they own and operate their own factory in Washington.
On 2/6/2019 at 9:02 AM, TBAG said:Pretty sure they still build them in Washington state.
Do you fish with ALL American made rods/reels/lures? Just curious.
I don't think their are any Bass reels manufacturered in the USA. They all come from Asian companies. I know there's USA made fly reels, but I can't think of any baitcasters. Is Penn USA made?
LegendaryBassin reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 9:08 AM, punch said:Yes, everyone knows Shimano owns Gloomis. This happened like way back in 1995? Not sure why it's relevant when they own and operate their own factory in Georgia.
I don't think their are any Bass reels manufacturered in the USA. They all come from Asian companies. I know there's USA made fly reels, but I can't think of any bbaitcastes. Is Penn USA made?
I'm almost certain Shimano/G Loomis has a fishing facility in California and South Carolina, not Georgia. As it's in Charleston. They may have one for cycling in Georgia though.
punch reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 9:19 AM, LegendaryBassin said:I'm almost certain Shimano/G Loomis has a fishing facility in California and South Carolina, not Georgia. As it's in Charleston. They may have one for cycling in Georgia though.
I meant Washington, brain fart in my part. The Gloomis factory is in Woodland WA.
LegendaryBassin reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 9:26 AM, punch said:I meant Washington, brain fart in my part. The Gloomis factory is in Woodland WA.
No problem buddy. ????
Mobasser reply :
I really don't think there is any one rod brand that is the best. When you get in to high end rods, they all have their good points. Loomis is one. It may be the best for some, but not all. Too many choices these days. I think Shimano makes an excellent bass rod, for less than Loomis.All the tackle companies make some very good rods. Pick one that works for you. It may not be what others like, but it may fit your style of fishing better.Ive set the hook on many a rock, weed, branch and whatever else is down there. But, I've also set the hook into many a bass with my Shimano. It's proved itself
rod snapper reply :
really, what it comes down to is how much money you have on hand. Use common sense, a more expensive item will be nearly always superior in some way. i love American made equipment but my checking account doesn't. unfortunately, my checking account wins. find the best rod you can get with your budget, and stop worrying about it. if you have faith in a certain company, then go with that company. all i'm trying to say is be confident. doubt is a fisherman's worst enemy.
LegendaryBassin reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 9:48 AM, rod snapper said:really, what it comes down to is how much money you have on hand. Use common sense, a more expensive item will be nearly always superior in some way. i love American made equipment but my checking account doesn't. unfortunately, my checking account wins. find the best rod you can get with your budget, and stop worrying about it. if you have faith in a certain company, then go with that company. all i'm trying to say is be confident. doubt is a fisherman's worst enemy.
Great outlook as well as legendary name haha
A-Jay reply :
What interesting thread.
To the OP @The Maestro
"Is rod sensitivity more about feeling bites or feeling bottom/structure?"
"I guess my question is do you think I'd detect more bites with the most sensitive rods available?"
Fairly difficult to know what You can detect regardless of what price point stick you happen to be fishing.
That's one you'll have to answer yourself; no way around it.
Interestingly enough, I have no idea how many bites I'm missing, because I never "detected" them in the first place.
What I do know is this;
When it comes to gear, I use middle of the road (mostly) as far as price point goes.
Many of the bites/strikes I feel, I get. But I still miss at least my share. Can't speak for others.
I'm usually pretty happy to be able to feel & decipher most of whatever I happened to be fishing.
Finally, I Really Hate it when I get a little snagged on something on the bottom, and then it pulls back !
A-Jay
WRB reply :
There is one snag I haven't been able to solve, line! I feel the slight tension and see the my line movement as the hook slides on someone discarded or broken off line on the bottom. When setting hook the snagged line moves like a fish for a moment until the ahh *#% relealization it's snagged line.
Tom
Heartland reply :
Both
Catt reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 9:08 AM, punch said:Yes, everyone knows Shimano owns Gloomis. This happened like way back in 1995? Not sure why it's relevant when they own and operate their own factory in Washington.
Because I'm a big time Shimano fan & was on the Loomis wagon for years. I actually switched from Loomis to Shimano rods.
To answer the original question for me it's about feeling the bottom/structure, cause if it feels any different than that I set hook!
Dirtyeggroll reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 8:03 PM, Catt said:To answer the original question for me it's about feeling the bottom/structure, cause if it feels any different than that I set hook!
This is it! I was trying to come up with my own description for what I feel makes a rod sensitive and this description nails it.
Its about DIFFERENTATING bites from bottom and bottom from bites.
jrwerner310 reply :
I have always had a hard time detecting bites. The four main fishing rods that i use are all medium action and medium sensitivity, with either a moderate or fast action tip. i have two with 8-10LB fluorocarbon or 10-15lb braid with a 10lb fluorocarbon leader. that setup seems to work but im still always struggling it seems. i am guessing that i need to do a better job at matching up some of my equipment better before i decide to splurge on yet another fishing rod lol, especially since i dont get to fish as much as i would like and im mostly fishing from the bank or the kayak. im wondering if a brighter main line would help with some of those detecting some more bites tho?
Team9nine reply :
Yes, feeling bites and yes, feeling bottom, but just as important as both of those is a third factor, maybe a hybrid of the two above points - feeling your bait. Often termed as "weighing your bait." The better in touch you are with your bait, the better your ability to interpret both bottom and bites.
roadwarrior reply :
On 2/6/2019 at 10:51 PM, Team9nine said:Yes, feeling bites and yes, feeling bottom, but just as important as both of those is a third factor, maybe a hybrid of the two above points - feeling your bait. Often termed as "weighing your bait." The better in touch you are with your bait, the better your ability to interpret both bottom and bites.
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