Having spent the better part of the last two tournaments throwing a 3" Gulp minnow and a 4" finesse worm, I remember why I never carry spinning tackle.
Line twist sucks, spinning reels suck, spinning rods suck. There is at least one additional Core in my future.
I'm not a fan either. I really hate throwing tiny baits. Tying dropshot rigs drives me nuts.
QuoteHaving spent the better part of the last two tournaments throwing a 3" Gulp minnow and a 4" finesse worm, I remember why I never carry spinning tackle.Line twist sucks, spinning reels suck, spinning rods suck. There is at least one additional Core in my future.
You young squirts just need to take the time to learn using spinning! ;) ;D ;D
I've had to drag lureless line behind the boat a time or two to straighten it out. Probably no more than I will have to pick backlashes out of my new baitcasting reels.
But, yeah, I am finding I enjoy the baitcasters more than the spinning.
I'll take spinning rods any day. What kind of line and rigs were you using BL?
QuoteHaving spent the better part of the last two tournaments throwing a 3" Gulp minnow and a 4" finesse worm, I remember why I never carry spinning tackle.Line twist sucks, spinning reels suck, spinning rods suck. There is at least one additional Core in my future.
Want to try something else? Send me your
address and I'll send you a combination to
test out after the Roadtrip. You can fish it
all summer and see what you think.
-Kent
8-)
He hates everything anymore.
I used to think I was the most miserable man alive. I bow to the King....
What on earth were you doing to cause all that? I use spinning probably 60% of the time (I have Cores, Curados, and Calcuttas on the casting rods) and NEVER experience any of the troubles of which you speak. I guess there are a couple observations I seem to make often about "bass guys" that hate spinning tackle.
1. They often use spinning tackle that is a step down in quality from their casting tackle. This sets them up for unhappiness.
2. They almost invariably use line that is too heavy for the reel they have. No wonder you have trouble if you put #14 flouro on a 1000 size reel (not saying you did, but I see it on here a lot).
3. People spool their line incorrectly onto the reel. Having worked in a tackle shop for more than a decade I saw this weekly. A nice reel + good line (in a proper size) still equals a mad fisherman if the line isn't spooled right.
Just my $0.02.........with modern spinning tackle, there is no reason to ever have line twist issues or feel like you are undergunned.
Matt
QuoteHaving spent the better part of the last two tournaments throwing a 3" Gulp minnow and a 4" finesse worm, I remember why I never carry spinning tackle.Line twist sucks, spinning reels suck, spinning rods suck. There is at least one additional Core in my future.
Yeah, mono on spinning gear can cause headaches. :'(
Geez, how simple is it to use a spining rig..?
Sometimes, small baits, get big fish..
If I could catch fish on it, I'd use a stick with twine tied to the end.
Sorry to hear your troubles. I don't have issues of twist on any of my spinning rigs. Sounds like you need the sweet and sexy Stella.
what's weird is that i've been using spinning reels since the late 80's and i've never heard of line twist being a problem until i found this forum a couple years ago.
im not sure what ive been doing right or i'd suggest it.
Please send me all your spinning outfits since you all hate (Burleytog & Dan+)them so much and I will fish happily ever after.
Funny, I generally use spinning gear when I need reliable line management. Maybe you should try a Daiwa spinning reel ;D ;D
I guess that's why I'm also shifting to casting reels with "training wheels" ;D ;D
Line twist on spinning gear has always been an issue. They have come out with reels that have a type of groove in them that reduces the twist by about 3 times. For those who report they have never had an issue with line twist, PLEASE SEND ME YOUR SECRET!!!!!! If you've figured out to fish spinning gear without line twist, you could write a column on it and send it in and let the world know cuz you would relieve all kinds of stress for the common man/woman. I just can't imagine what it would be like to fish with no line twist--must be a little like fishing heaven. Fish on. John.
The trick with spinning is the smaller the line the better. I use 20lb or 15lb power pro with a 10lb seaguar inviszx leader. Never had one problem. Try it and youll see. I used that on a crappy uglystick combo i had and i now use it on my sustain/cumara combo. It has never failed me and i use spinning probably 25% of the time
Are you using mono or flouro? Is the key, large pound test with a small pound diameter? I use 6 pound now for rivers and creeks and I have line twist--way more with flouro. Any special reel?
Spinning Gear Rules:
1. Use a good quality Spinning Reel (doesn't have to be a Steez), cheap spinning reels suck and are a pain in the butt.
2. Use the line weight thats rated for your reel.
3. Spool the reel properly (to avoid line twists)
4. Close the bail manually, do NOT ever close the bail by turning the handle (it will cause line twists).
I've been finesse fishing 60% of the time with spinning gear this year and NOT had any issues or line twists.
My setup: Steez 2500 spinning reel w/8# P-Line CX premium line (Steez CompileX 6'8" ML spinning rod)
Burley, if you hate spinning gear then just send it to me and I will make sure some kids put it to good use.
QuoteQuoteHaving spent the better part of the last two tournaments throwing a 3" Gulp minnow and a 4" finesse worm, I remember why I never carry spinning tackle.Line twist sucks, spinning reels suck, spinning rods suck. There is at least one additional Core in my future.
Yeah, mono on spinning gear can cause headaches. :'(
He uses 8 lb. Pline on it (not sure if it's CX or CXX). I use 6-8 lb. Berkley Vanish or 100% Flouro and haven't had near the issues he has with my spinning gear. I needed to put new line on one of my spinning reels and forgot to do it the night before and started to do it on the way to the lake Saturday with some of his Pline, glad I didn't after listening to him cuss it all day.
I'm starting to live off the 6 and 8 pound 100% since the spawn is coming up. I still don't understand all the flouro and spinning reel issues.
All of my experiences with P-Line (with the exception of CXX on a casting reel) have been things I want to forget.
QuoteQuoteQuoteHaving spent the better part of the last two tournaments throwing a 3" Gulp minnow and a 4" finesse worm, I remember why I never carry spinning tackle.Line twist sucks, spinning reels suck, spinning rods suck. There is at least one additional Core in my future.
Yeah, mono on spinning gear can cause headaches. :'(
He uses 8 lb. Pline on it. I use 6-8 lb. Berkley Vanish or 100% Flouro and haven't had near the issues he has with my spinning gear. I needed to put new line on one of my spinning reels and forgot to do it the night before and started to do it on the way to the lake Saturday with some of his Pline, glad I didn't after listening to him cuss it all day.
Which 8# P-Line is he using ?
I use 8# P-Line CX prem and never have any problems.
-steezy
QuoteWhich 8# P-Line is he using ?I use 8# P-Line CX prem and never have any problems.
-steezy
Just edited my post to say that I wasn't sure if it is CX or CXX.
Burley, tell us exactly what you were doing? As I best recall, you hate spinning gear anyhow, right? Just got back into fishing, went out for two days, wasn't even like learning to ride a bike again. Thought I would have been rusty, but it's like I never stopped. I've had one line twist in the last 6 years, and that was with an old reel. Like steezy & Leon said, quality reel, I use 6lb Yz hybrid, follow the line/lure rec's and zero problems. If you're fishing light stuff, what about your Curado, thought they great for light stuff?
Wish I could understand all the issues with P-Line on spinning reels, I swear it works perfect for me which is why I fish with it so much. I wish you guys were coming to the roadtrip, I would gladly let you try my setup for a day just to show you how well it works.
QuoteWish I could understand all the issues with P-Line on spinning reels, I swear it works perfect for me which is why I fish with it so much. I wish you guys were coming to the roadtrip, I would gladly let you try my setup for a day just to show you how well it works.
Do you know if P-Line's products have a thicker diameter than most lines? I feel like 10 pound CX and CXX feels more like a 12.
Braided line on spinning gear has been the answer for me as well. 10, 15, and 20 lb suffix has treated me very well with or without a leader. It doesn't fall off the spool when you open up the bail, and it definitely cuts down on the line twist to the point that it almost does not exist.
I agree 100% with closing the bail manually and I always give the line a small tug to ensure that any loose coils are tightened up to avoid those nasty snarls on your next cast.
Spinning gear has definitely earned a place in my lineup since spooling up with braided line. I would try it before giving up on it. It catches too many fish to not have one with you.
Tin, to me the CXX at 8 feels like 10, so I know what you mean. While it will probably pull a log from a lake before it breaks, it's like fishing with slinky-line. I switched to Yz based on RW's recommendation, and though it's not as strong, it's like fishing with an overcooked ramen noodle.
My issue with braid on spinning gear is unless I'm skipping a bait into cover I would want a flouro leader. But this means another knot, and I want as few knots and spots to possibly break in the line as possible. And when I have braid going to 6 pound line I just don't trust that line to line knot, I'm also typically fishing rocks when I fish with spinning gear. Braid + rocks = bad day
QuoteQuoteQuoteHaving spent the better part of the last two tournaments throwing a 3" Gulp minnow and a 4" finesse worm, I remember why I never carry spinning tackle.Line twist sucks, spinning reels suck, spinning rods suck. There is at least one additional Core in my future.
Yeah, mono on spinning gear can cause headaches. :'(
He uses 8 lb. Pline on it (not sure if it's CX or CXX). I use 6-8 lb. Berkley Vanish or 100% Flouro and haven't had near the issues he has with my spinning gear. I needed to put new line on one of my spinning reels and forgot to do it the night before and started to do it on the way to the lake Saturday with some of his Pline, glad I didn't after listening to him cuss it all day.
Actually I have 8 lb. Trilene 100% on both of my Stradics.
Need some of that KVD. lol
QuoteNeed some of that KVD. lol
Too much trouble to use. I have a hard enough time remembering to tie my shoes, much less spray something on my reels.
mmm, I hear you and used to view it that way. But it makes up for the time you will spend playing with line and getting ticked off. Just keep a can of Reel Magic with you.
QuoteQuoteWish I could understand all the issues with P-Line on spinning reels, I swear it works perfect for me which is why I fish with it so much. I wish you guys were coming to the roadtrip, I would gladly let you try my setup for a day just to show you how well it works.Do you know if P-Line's products have a thicker diameter than most lines? I feel like 10 pound CX and CXX feels more like a 12.
I believe CXX might be a tad bigger than other companies lines in the same diameter. I would never again use CXX for spinning, even in the 6-8 lb range because of the manageability issues.
That might be burley's problem and going to the CX or to a fc line will fix most of the issues he's having.
CXX is for baitcasters only IMO. I use it on just about all of my rods except spinning. Even though it might be tough to manage sometimes, it doesn't let me down.
Right now I have 6lb BPS flouro and it has worked very well. Sufix siege is also a good choice for spinning, used it last year and never had a problem bass fishing with it.
QuoteIf you're fishing light stuff, what about your Curado, thought they great for light stuff?
Wrong rods
You better have those issues straightened out before 6/19.
Trilene 100% is not as manageable as some people here make it out to be.I hated that line.
I have P-line CXX in 6# test on a Daiwa Fuego 2000 and that thing is working like a charm.Burley,I think it was you who recommended it to somebody once or twice here.I picked up on that tip and decided to try Fluoro again.I'm glad i did now....
QuoteTrilene 100% is not as manageable as some people here make it out to be.I hated that line.
Where did you pick it up? I refuse to buy lines from Dick's and Wally World.
I think it was Dick's....or Gander mountains.I don't remember now because i visited both as they were about a half a mile apart from each other.I brought from both stores that day.... :-/
Why won't you pick up line from Dick's sporting goods?
QuoteI think it was Dick's....or Gander mountains.I don't remember now because i visited both as they were about a half a mile apart from each other.I brought from both stores that day.... :-/Why won't you pick up line from Dick's sporting goods?
I don't know about yours but the stuff at the one I go to will have dust on top of it and the same goes for Wal Mart. Seems like a lot of the line they sell is old and loaded with memory. The last roll of Seaguar I bought there flew off the spool and slinkied up on me. I know a lot of others in my area who won't buy line from either one either. Where as I buy Seaguar from TW it is as limp as it flouro can be.
Fishing from the banks, I like(ed) #10 Gamma on 2500 size Daiwa reels. I find it very manageable, but #6 is even easier to use.
Just as novice baitcasters need to educate their thumbs and pick up good habits, so do users of spinning gear. Besides applying the tips from Steezy, long-time users of spinning gear develop an awareness of the condition of their line. Whether it's watching line on a retrieve, listening for knots passing through the guides, or periodically checking to checking to see how the line is spooling, these habits become second nature to those of us who grew up with spinning gear.
QuoteTrilene 100% is not as manageable as some people here make it out to be.I hated that line.I have P-line CXX in 6# test on a Daiwa Fuego 2000 and that thing is working like a charm.Burley,I think it was you who recommended it to somebody once or twice here.I picked up on that tip and decided to try Fluoro again.I'm glad i did now....
I was very skeptical but a friend reccomended I try CXX #6 on my spinning rods and it rocks. Strong, sensitive, and shockingly manageable for an Abraision resistant mono.
QuoteHaving spent the better part of the last two tournaments throwing a 3" Gulp minnow and a 4" finesse worm, I remember why I never carry spinning tackle.Line twist sucks, spinning reels suck, spinning rods suck. There is at least one additional Core in my future.
Prescription by Dr Raul:
1.- Gloomis CR721
2.- Daiwa Liberto Pixy
3.- Yo-Zuri Hybrid 6 lbs test
Add water, feesh and enjoy.
I'm with Tin. I don't understand how or why anyone would use P-Line CX or CXX on a spinning reel.
Right now I am using Trilene 100%. At first it was great but through the winter and now into spring I've been having some line twist/coiling issues. Next is Seaguar Invizx.
QuoteQuoteI think it was Dick's....or Gander mountains.I don't remember now because i visited both as they were about a half a mile apart from each other.I brought from both stores that day.... :-/Why won't you pick up line from Dick's sporting goods?
I don't know about yours but the stuff at the one I go to will have dust on top of it and the same goes for Wal Mart. Seems like a lot of the line they sell is old and loaded with memory. The last roll of Seaguar I bought there flew off the spool and slinkied up on me. I know a lot of others in my area who won't buy line from either one either. Where as I buy Seaguar from TW it is as limp as it flouro can be.
x2, Tin and I live in the same area, I wont buy my line from the big boxes either, I pretty much only shop at TW, oh crap that reminds me, I need to place another order
QuoteTrilene 100% is not as manageable as some people here make it out to be.I hated that line.I have P-line CXX in 6# test on a Daiwa Fuego 2000 and that thing is working like a charm.Burley,I think it was you who recommended it to somebody once or twice here.I picked up on that tip and decided to try Fluoro again.I'm glad i did now....
CXX in 4, 6 and 8 are fine on spinning tackle.
QuoteI'm with Tin. I don't understand how or why anyone would use P-Line CX or CXX on a spinning reel.Right now I am using Trilene 100%. At first it was great but through the winter and now into spring I've been having some line twist/coiling issues. Next is Seaguar Invizx.
CX is great on spinning tackle. 8 lb CX is usually all I use. Decided to try fluoro this spring.
QuoteQuoteHaving spent the better part of the last two tournaments throwing a 3" Gulp minnow and a 4" finesse worm, I remember why I never carry spinning tackle.Line twist sucks, spinning reels suck, spinning rods suck. There is at least one additional Core in my future.
Want to try something else? Send me your
address and I'll send you a combination to
test out after the Roadtrip. You can fish it
all summer and see what you think.
-Kent
8-)
Thanks for the offer, but I don't like the idea of borrowing people's tackle. If something happened to it I would feel pretty bad.
I must say my attempts with Pline Evolution were frustrating.
What is this Pline suff you all are talking about. Heck if they don't sell it at Walmart I don't have it or most likely not even heard of it.
Burley, you need a Sol 2500 with the 100% Trilene. Every time I went to pick mine up to use it, Tin had it ;D
QuoteI must say my attempts with Pline Evolution were frustrating.
WOAH. I can't speak of Evo on spinner gear, but I use it on my swimbait reels in the 25#, and love it. IMO, it has surprisingly low memory for such a thick line, is stronger than an ox, and very manageable. What are your issues with it?
QuoteWhat is this Pline suff you all are talking about. Heck if they don't sell it at Walmart I don't have it or most likely not even heard of it.
P-line is the brand of a line manufacturer that makes some of the best lines in the market, never seen it at Walmart though, but you are only a click away from BPS, Cabela 's, ***
this year i have only used Pline Floroclear on the spinning gear i have. i like it for cheap line.
Seaguar InvisX in 8 lb...for baitcasters, 12lb AbrasX..
QuoteBurley, you need a Sol 2500 with the 100% Trilene. Every time I went to pick mine up to use it, Tin had it ;D
and I thought he only grabbed my gear, must be a Tin thing
QuoteWhat on earth were you doing to cause all that? I use spinning probably 60% of the time (I have Cores, Curados, and Calcuttas on the casting rods) and NEVER experience any of the troubles of which you speak. I guess there are a couple observations I seem to make often about "bass guys" that hate spinning tackle.I agree. Quality spinning gear is awesome.
1. They often use spinning tackle that is a step down in quality from their casting tackle. This sets them up for unhappiness.
2. They almost invariably use line that is too heavy for the reel they have. No wonder you have trouble if you put #14 flouro on a 1000 size reel (not saying you did, but I see it on here a lot).
3. People spool their line incorrectly onto the reel. Having worked in a tackle shop for more than a decade I saw this weekly. A nice reel + good line (in a proper size) still equals a mad fisherman if the line isn't spooled right.
Just my $0.02.........with modern spinning tackle, there is no reason to ever have line twist issues or feel like you are undergunned.
Matt
i dont have near the line twist issues some people on here complain about and i use primarily spinning gear. the main time i have line twist issues is if the spool is getting low on line in which case its time to respool anyways.
i dont think the quality of the reel has anything to do with line twist either. i own my share of cheap reels too. for example, i have a shakespeare combo spooled with 12lb trilene xl smooth casting line both bought from walmart and havent had one problem with line twist. never had line twist problems from not closing the bail manually either.
now, ive had a couple problems in the past when spooling bigger line on a spinning reel but that went away after catching a few fish on it. i would say most problems people have with line twist is probably improper spooling, old line, or a spool low on line where the line is more tightly wrapped around the spool and gets more curled.
Burley- it doesn't matter what line one uses for dropshotting...it's gonna mess-up. I used to use mono and got more bites, but would have to "troll line" twice on a 6 hr. trip. Last year i went with braid/swivel/mono and had less line twist, but less fish also. I feel your pain...
I wasn't dropshotting. Haven't done that in a long time. Even when it was the only thing I threw, I barely had any problems with twist.
with spinning gear you dont have to worry about switching hands after every cast and u dont have to lose 30mins untangling birdnests. which im sure happens to every baitcaster atleast once a trip. its funny fishing with friends on windy days watching them cast into the wind with all their strength only to have the lure drift back and create a huge birdsnest while you're slinging them like bullets all over the place.
Quotewith spinning gear you dont have to worry about switching hands after every cast and u dont have to lose 30mins untangling birdnests. which im sure happens to every baitcaster atleast once a trip. its funny fishing with friends on windy days watching them cast into the wind with all their strength only to have the lure drift back and create a huge birdsnest while you're slinging them like bullets all over the place.
lol, no it doesn't
YOU NEED A PFLUEGER SUPPREME XT IN A 3500 SIZE.SMALL SPOOLS SUCK FOR LINE TWIST.you need some really limp line or braid.you need to close the bail by hand after lifting the rod to make sure there are no loops in the line.i also hate spinning which is why i only own one.
QuoteYOU NEED A PFLUEGER SUPPREME XT IN A 3500 SIZE.SMALL SPOOLS SUCK FOR LINE TWIST.you need some really limp line or braid.you need to close the bail by hand after lifting the rod to make sure there are no loops in the line.i also hate spinning which is why i only own one.
I had a Supreme 8035. It lasted two trips.
The reels I'm using are a Stradic 2500FH and a 2500FI. Bail is always closed by hand.
I filled a spare spool with 20/6 PowerPro earlier this week, going to give it a try over the next few weeks.
I have 3 supremes, 25 and 30 for fresh and I use a 35 for snook and jack in saltwater, good reel and all 3 have lasted well over a year with hard use. I also own the stradic 4000, superior imo to the supreme, the cardinal or soron measures up to the stradic in every way it's actually my favorite.
Keeping the line tight is the important factor, not hand closing the bail, some old wives tale someone created. I hand close maybe 75% of the time but see no real difference when cranked closed, spinning and braid 100% of the time.
Here is what I can't figure out. Bought an 8' inshore rod recently med 8/17 and used my spheros 4000 and stradic 4000 without a glitch, perfect. Being a bit anal I wanted a lighter reel with more line capacity, so I bought a wide spool reel. Loaded up with the same 20# braid I get nothing but wind knots under the same conditions, an obvious non marriage of rod and reel and so much to the thought of narrow vs wide spool for better management, at least in my opinion. I will be returning the reel in favor of a soron or stradic this week. The best education comes from my own mistakes.
QuoteQuoteYOU NEED A PFLUEGER SUPPREME XT IN A 3500 SIZE.SMALL SPOOLS SUCK FOR LINE TWIST.you need some really limp line or braid.you need to close the bail by hand after lifting the rod to make sure there are no loops in the line.i also hate spinning which is why i only own one.I had a Supreme 8035. It lasted two trips.
The reels I'm using are a Stradic 2500FH and a 2500FI. Bail is always closed by hand.
I filled a spare spool with 20/6 PowerPro earlier this week, going to give it a try over the next few weeks.
Hopefully your deal comes together and you receive that Tierra you bought. Good Luck with that B
Baitcasting is my preferred tackle but there are situations where spinning gear provides the best presentation. My newest spinning reel is over 10 years old and I have no problems with them at all. I have had my knuckles rapped a few times but you learn to get them out of the way.
My take on problems with spinning gear are line twist and what ever you call that phenom when a bunch of line jumps off the reel.
I can't recall the last time I had a line twist problem. Be sure to put the line on without twist, don't crank against a slipping drag, make sure baits run true. Put a swivel in the set up for baits that twist and for those little loops that sooner or later result in a bunch of line flying off the spool always close the bail with your hand not the crank.
To keep from cranking against the drag I just set it tight and back reel. Since closing the bail by turning the crank is a long time bad habit I just need to concentrate.
I am very careful making sure soft plastics don't spin an d on inline spinners I put a good quality swivel in the system.
What I've noticed to be my biggest issues is baits that spin when brought in fast at end of retrieve for next cast. Fin S Fish, Slider heads, tubes and the like will twist line if not careful. It's not the fault of the equpiment used and the way I see it, no way around it if you fish in a hurry. Closing bail by hand does seem to help a bit but in my case is no cure-all. I get "twist" (nothing real severe) but just accept it as part of the game and live with it.
i love fishing spinning rods, you just gotta keep an eye on the spool to see eany loops or whatever b4 they get really bad, and they are much better to fish from shore with, baitcasters + trees = recipe for major backlash
QuoteQuoteYOU NEED A PFLUEGER SUPPREME XT IN A 3500 SIZE.SMALL SPOOLS SUCK FOR LINE TWIST.you need some really limp line or braid.you need to close the bail by hand after lifting the rod to make sure there are no loops in the line.i also hate spinning which is why i only own one.I had a Supreme 8035. It lasted two trips.
The reels I'm using are a Stradic 2500FH and a 2500FI. Bail is always closed by hand.
I filled a spare spool with 20/6 PowerPro earlier this week, going to give it a try over the next few weeks.
powerpro will work but i would have picked fireline braid or diawa samurai.
QuoteQuoteQuoteYOU NEED A PFLUEGER SUPPREME XT IN A 3500 SIZE.SMALL SPOOLS SUCK FOR LINE TWIST.you need some really limp line or braid.you need to close the bail by hand after lifting the rod to make sure there are no loops in the line.i also hate spinning which is why i only own one.I had a Supreme 8035. It lasted two trips.
The reels I'm using are a Stradic 2500FH and a 2500FI. Bail is always closed by hand.
I filled a spare spool with 20/6 PowerPro earlier this week, going to give it a try over the next few weeks.
powerpro will work but i would have picked fireline braid or diawa samurai.
really? are you sure? ;D