I had owner a Pflueger Summit, Cabela's house model for about a year when I noticed it started sticking mid-summer. It was a gritty friction I felt when reeling in. I took it in to a local specialty shop who upon taking it apart discovered the barrings and anti-reverse mechanism had rusted and that the replacement parts/service would cost $44. For a $60 reel I obviously decided to forgo this and replace it. I bought the $100 Abu Garcia Revo X from Field and Stream, however the guy at the specialty shop warned me that at the price point I was shopping at Shimano was the only reel I would not run into the same rust problem with. Is this true?
Sounds fishy, even the cheapest of bearings won't rust in a year in fresh water use.
On 8/25/2018 at 5:11 AM, reason said:Sounds fishy, even the cheapest of bearings won't rust in a year in fresh water use.
I thought the same. He said Shimano uses anti rust barrings (ARB) This much I was able to confirm is true, but I agree with your sentiment. A $100 reel should especially be good for at LEAST a year of freshwater use.
Oil, gotta oil em, just a drop is all ya need. I’ve got 20yr old Quantum baitcasters that have not rusted,
On 8/25/2018 at 6:28 AM, Rahlow said:Oil, gotta oil em, just a drop is all ya need. I’ve got 20yr old Quantum baitcasters that have not rusted,
I want one I don't have to do anything to
As a general rule, don't listen to the people at big box stores. That's not to say there aren't some very knowledgeable people working there, but I'd say 90% of them are full of it.
I have $25 reels and $200 reels. I have never had a bearing rust, ever. Even the spinning reels I abuse and oil like once every five years don't rust.
As far as having a reel you never have to "do anything with," that's up to you. It's a machine and will break down eventually. It's up to you as to whether you want to get two seasons or two decades of use out of something.
On 8/25/2018 at 6:59 AM, Ohioguy25 said:I want one I don't have to do anything to
You're going to get out what you put in unfortunately. Things will start to wear eventually and you will notice sooner rather than later if you don't maintain your reels to some degree.
On 8/25/2018 at 9:05 AM, BuzzHudson19c said:As a general rule, don't listen to the people at big box stores. That's not to say there aren't some very knowledgeable people working there, but I'd say 90% of them are full of it.
I have $25 reels and $200 reels. I have never had a bearing rust, ever. Even the spinning reels I abuse and oil like once every five years don't rust.
As far as having a reel you never have to "do anything with," that's up to you. It's a machine and will break down eventually. It's up to you as to whether you want to get two seasons or two decades of use out of something.
As I said it was the guy at the specialty shop who advised me that Shimano was probably the only reel under $100 that won't rust, not Field and Stream. If this isn't true then what do you suppose happened to my Pflueger?
You still have to change the oil and spark plugs on a Ferrari just as you do on a Honda Civic. No maintenance on a machine, and it will eventually develop problems. And eventually all machines break down completely.
On 8/25/2018 at 11:10 AM, Glaucus said:You still have to change the oil and spark plugs on a Ferrari just as you do on a Honda Civic. No maintenance on a machine, and it will eventually develop problems. And eventually all machines break down completely.
So what do you think caused the Pflueger to fail? I literally only got 1 season of very light use out of it.
On 8/25/2018 at 11:41 AM, Ohioguy25 said:So what do you think caused the Pflueger to fail? I literally only got 1 season of very light use out of it.
Like with all things, sometimes you get the bad apple.
I’ve got 6 Presidents that have been in use between the last 2-6 years of use basically every weekend and have no issues with them; especially rust.
One was even even outside in the winter I lost ice fishing and didn’t find until the spring thaw. I obviously had to disassemble that one and clean but paying Shimano prices for especially a spinning reel is a waste in my opinion. Your mileage may vary.
On 8/25/2018 at 9:05 AM, BuzzHudson19c said:As a general rule, don't listen to the people at big box stores. That's not to say there aren't some very knowledgeable people working there, but I'd say 90% of them are full of it.
I have $25 reels and $200 reels. I have never had a bearing rust, ever. Even the spinning reels I abuse and oil like once every five years don't rust.
As far as having a reel you never have to "do anything with," that's up to you. It's a machine and will break down eventually. It's up to you as to whether you want to get two seasons or two decades of use out of something.
Totally agree. It's like going to Advance Auto and asking for mechanic advice about your car. Sure, some know what they're talking about, but the majority ask you what year and make your car is if you ask for windshield washer fluid.
I've gotten workers at those places to look for blinker fluid for me before haha.
On 8/25/2018 at 11:41 AM, Ohioguy25 said:So what do you think caused the Pflueger to fail? I literally only got 1 season of very light use out of it.
I’m not trying to fight with all you pfluger fans I’m just giving my opinion the pfluger of now a days, is not top notch and I also have had two presidents take a dump on me with minimal use that’s why I don’t buy them anymore they used to be my favorite spinning reel. I switched to shimano but even shimano if you don’t pay over 150 bucks their reels are kinda chinky which brings me to my conclusion of this matter from what I’ve experienced and in my opinion Diawa is the best bang for your buck when it comes to spinning reels.
On 8/25/2018 at 6:59 AM, Ohioguy25 said:I want one I don't have to do anything to
Can I be your car mechanic?
On 8/25/2018 at 7:59 PM, Burrows said:I’m not trying to fight with all you pfluger fans I’m just giving my opinion the pfluger of now a days, is not top notch and I also have had two presidents take a dump on me with minimal use that’s why I don’t buy them anymore they used to be my favorite spinning reel. I switched to shimano but even shimano if you don’t pay over 150 bucks their reels are kinda chinky which brings me to my conclusion of this matter from what I’ve experienced and in my opinion Diawa is the best bang for your buck when it comes to spinning reels.
How about the Abu Garcia Revo X I bought?
On 8/26/2018 at 2:37 AM, Ohioguy25 said:How about the Abu Garcia Revo X I bought?
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On 8/26/2018 at 2:43 AM, Burrows said:????
I can't see whatever it is you just posted. Is that an emoji?
On 8/26/2018 at 2:59 AM, Ohioguy25 said:I can't see whatever it is you just posted. Is that an emoji?
Yes that’s me zipping my lip before I say something stupid.
In all reality I have no experience with the Revo x I did have an Stx spinning reel that served me well for about two and a years I gave it to my brother in law and I think he’s still using it.
You're Revo X should do just fine for you. If reel bearings rust in a year you got a bad one. I have a 10 year old Abu Cardinal that was maybe $50 new and it works as good as ever. Shimano and Daiwa have good options in pretty much any price range but not buying one of those doesn't mean you're destined for failure.
On 8/25/2018 at 6:59 AM, Ohioguy25 said:I want one I don't have to do anything to
Good luck with that, especially at this price point
Bottom line, no reel bearings will rust if you take proper care and maintain it. Oil it two or three times a season, especially if it gets extremely wet in rain or goes for a dunk in the lake. I've got $20 reels that I've had since I was 5 that feel like new because they've been maintained.
On 8/25/2018 at 3:10 PM, Brew City Bass said:I've gotten workers at those places to look for blinker fluid for me before haha.
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On 8/25/2018 at 4:41 AM, Ohioguy25 said:I bought the $100 Abu Garcia Revo X from Field and Stream, however the guy at the specialty shop warned me that at the price point I was shopping at Shimano was the only reel I would not run into the same rust problem with. Is this true?
Im bias to shimano and diawa bro but that is a solid buy it should last you many years if you maintain it and they are smooth reels.
On 8/26/2018 at 3:17 AM, DSTN said:You're Revo X should do just fine for you. If reel bearings rust in a year you got a bad one. I have a 10 year old Abu Cardinal that was maybe $50 new and it works as good as ever. Shimano and Daiwa have good options in pretty much any price range but not buying one of those doesn't mean you're destined for failure.
So was the guy in the specialty shop lying to me or did I just get a dud? I'm confused, I only dropped my reel in the water a few times. Is it possibly bc it was a Cabela's exclusive model?
On 8/25/2018 at 11:41 AM, Ohioguy25 said:So what do you think caused the Pflueger to fail? I literally only got 1 season of very light use out of it.
Did it get dunked? Maybe a number or times? Stored outside in a shed or something like that? To get rust you have to have water, either in vapor or liquid form. Reels don't get water inside as a general occurrence, but this one obviously did. I think your expectations are too high. To get you a reel that never needs attention and could take all kinds of mistreatment would have to be made of "unobtainium" and would cost a fortune.
It really doesn't take much to make a reel last a very long time. A few drops of oil, proper storage, don't dunk it, common sense stuff. I still have reels from the 50's that my dad gave me, and they still work as well as ever. Reels are pretty intricate devices. Which is why they are among the things I will never loan to anyone.
On 8/26/2018 at 6:01 AM, Ohioguy25 said:So was the guy in the specialty shop lying to me or did I just get a dud? I'm confused, I only dropped my reel in the water a few times. Is it possibly bc it was a Cabela's exclusive model?
I missed the "dropped in the water a few times" comment. Reels don't like to be dropped in the water. Like non-water resistant watches. And firearms. Outboard motors. Most machines. Especially inexpensive ones. If you get a new reel, and drop it in the water, take the cover off to expose the inside and let it dry in a dry environment until you use it again. And try not to drop it in the water again. Put a few drops of oil in the obvious places, like bearings, anything that moves or spins. Keep track of the screws; you need them.
It was not a "bad one." It wasn't treated right and it wasn't maintained right.
On 8/26/2018 at 6:39 AM, MickD said:Did it get dunked? Maybe a number or times? Stored outside in a shed or something like that? To get rust you have to have water, either in vapor or liquid form. Reels don't get water inside as a general occurrence, but this one obviously did. I think your expectations are too high. To get you a reel that never needs attention and could take all kinds of mistreatment would have to be made of "unobtainium" and would cost a fortune.
It really doesn't take much to make a reel last a very long time. A few drops of oil, proper storage, don't dunk it, common sense stuff. I still have reels from the 50's that my dad gave me, and they still work as well as ever. Reels are pretty intricate devices. Which is why they are among the things I will never loan to anyone.
I missed the "dropped in the water a few times" comment. Reels don't like to be dropped in the water. Like non-water resistant watches. And firearms. Outboard motors. Most machines. Especially inexpensive ones. If you get a new reel, and drop it in the water, take the cover off to expose the inside and let it dry in a dry environment until you use it again. And try not to drop it in the water again. Put a few drops of oil in the obvious places, like bearings, anything that moves or spins. Keep track of the screws; you need them.
It was not a "bad one." It wasn't treated right and it wasn't maintained right.
So fishing poles were not made to get wet, got it.
Simple if you look around, Bass Pro Formula Spinning reel, $49.99,,,
Stainless steel, double shielded bearings,
On 8/26/2018 at 9:53 AM, Rahlow said:Simple if you look around, Bass Pro Formula Spinning reel, $49.99,,,
Stainless steel, double shielded bearings,
Does the Abu Garcia I linked not have shielded bearings?
On 8/26/2018 at 9:56 AM, Ohioguy25 said:Does the Abu Garcia I linked not have shielded bearings?
I do not know,
Not sure I've dunked any if my spinning reels but they've definitely been rained on at least. I usually just make sure they are left in a place they can dry and oil if I think it's needed. Don't know if the guy at the shop was purposely misleading you or just didn't know any better.
Tackle Warehouse description for the Revo X says it has stainless steel corrosion resistant bearings.
On 8/26/2018 at 10:56 AM, DSTN said:Not sure I've dunked any if my spinning reels but they've definitely been rained on at least. I usually just make sure they are left in a place they can dry and oil if I think it's needed. Don't know if the guy at the shop was purposely misleading you or just didn't know any better.
Tackle Warehouse description for the Revo X says it has stainless steel corrosion resistant bearings.
Cool, thanks
I have several Pfluegar spinning reels from the Trion to the Supreme XT. All of them have heavy use in all kinds of conditions, more than one of them has been dunked, never had any issues with any bearings rusting.
Sounds to me like you found a guy in a shop who didn't know much other than a cool acronym to try to get you to buy a more expensive Shimano reel.
On 8/26/2018 at 3:06 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I have several Pfluegar spinning reels from the Trion to the Supreme XT. All of them have heavy use in all kinds of conditions, more than one of them has been dunked, never had any issues with any bearings rusting.
Sounds to me like you found a guy in a shop who didn't know much other than a cool acronym to try to get you to buy a more expensive Shimano reel.
You really think he was lying to me? I don't think he was trying to sell me a reel, he seemed pretty genuine.
On 8/26/2018 at 3:20 PM, Ohioguy25 said:You really think he was lying to me? I don't think he was trying to sell me a reel, he seemed pretty genuine.
Intentionally lying to you? No. Giving you misinformation in an attempt to sound credible? Quite possibly. I've dealt with the latter many times at the local sporting goods stores.
On 8/26/2018 at 3:20 PM, Ohioguy25 said:You really think he was lying to me? I don't think he was trying to sell me a reel, he seemed pretty genuine.
I dont think he knows what he’s talking about shimanos spinning reels under a hundred dollars are pretty crappy in my opinion, and trust me I’ve hade a few of them even the nacsi at 100 bucks is junk I had that one to, your way better off with your abu Garcia.
On 8/26/2018 at 9:34 AM, Ohioguy25 said:So fishing poles were not made to get wet, got it.
Getting wet and dunking are two different things. When I fished in Canada I often left my outfits in the boat overnight and they got rained on. But since the reels were maintained properly, none malfunctioned. With all the advice you've been getting it appears you have two choices. Keep dunking them and not maintaining them and get the same results, or treat them better and give them a little oil and maintenance now and then and have them last forever. Your choice.
"Shielded" and "water resistant" and "corrosion resistant" don't mean the same thing as "waterproof" and "corrosion proof."
I am going to take a guess and say that the guy at the store likes Shimano and didn't know that it had stainless steel ball bearings which is corrosion resistant but not rust proof. Shimano claims to have ARB, SARB, and RSARB = Anti rust bearing, Shielded anti rust bearing, and removable shield anti rust bearing.
Here is a little info and more than you will ever need to know about bearings and corrosion.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13.0
Bottom line, if you get water inside a bearing and don't do proper maintenance, in time, it's toast.
If you submerge a spinning reel, especially “a few times” and never have it serviced its not the reels fault.
ALL reels will get water in them when submerged. Pretty much all grease loses tackiness when exposed to water. Some reels are sealed better, some drain,dry, evaporate a little better-(baitcasters often have designed drain holes) or sometimes for whatever reason water doesnt permeate down into everything. Not all bodies of water are as bad. One guys water may have a lot less silt, sand, alkaline, whatever than the other guys. We’ve all dropped a reel and kept on fishing, but its a roll of the dice not cleaning and relubing.
I dont think you’ll have any better luck until you change some habits. Heck if anything- The revo spinning reels are actually known for the anti reverse clutches rusting...I know this for a fact, as Ive replaced two after they were dunked. The pins on the clutch assembly are much smaller than a daiwa for example and the clutch sits flush on top of a bearing which keeps water out of the gearbox and things in alignment. Problem is, the water has nowhere to go. Its a water trap.
I think this guy is completely wrong? All those reels are good. And everyone of them , regardless of brand, needs routine maintenance - oil on bearings to keep running smooth
On 8/25/2018 at 11:41 AM, Ohioguy25 said:So what do you think caused the Pflueger to fail? I literally only got 1 season of very light use out of it.
If I had to guess, it got put away wet. Worst thing you can do.
I fish the same rivers you do given your profile info and my Daiwa reels have gone under water more times than I can to admit and have not seen a bearing failure yet (they do get serviced). I have also never had bearings rust in my Shimanos either. I am curious what shop told you that though?
On 8/26/2018 at 6:50 PM, Burrows said:I dont think he knows what he’s talking about shimanos spinning reels under a hundred dollars are pretty crappy in my opinion, and trust me I’ve hade a few of them even the nacsi at 100 bucks is junk I had that one to, your way better off with your abu Garcia.
Really? I have a few Nascis and not an issue? Why do you think they're junk?
On 8/29/2018 at 1:36 AM, TBAG said:Really? I have a few Nascis and not an issue? Why do you think they're junk?
Do you really?
Well junk compared to what you get from other spinning reels in that same price range. Here’s a picture of mine a week before I put it on eBay because it not only flexes but the seals are not up to par. Where’s a picture of yours? Hopefully you don’t put up a stock photo of some random internet pic???? looks pretty but it’s not worth 100 bucks bro I’m sorry it’s smooth but it’s wobbly. Even the new Diawa legalis is better.
Settle down, children!
It's funny because I posted a thread in the past month or two about recent experiences with different spinning reels in extreme wet conditions. Of the several different brands I mentioned, the Pfluegers held up best in sustained heavy rain conditions.
My post was referring to problems likely caused by wet drag washers, but none of the reels sustained apparent bearing damage. Note that I maintain my own spinning reels, but only minimally. I clean and oil spindle and handle innards...little else. I do it gernally twice a year and after significant rain/dunking.
On 8/29/2018 at 2:55 AM, Burrows said:Do you really?
Well junk compared to what you get from other spinning reels in that same price range. Here’s a picture of mine a week before I put it on eBay because it not only flexes but the seals are not up to par. Where’s a picture of yours? Hopefully you don’t put up a stock photo of some random internet pic???? looks pretty but it’s not worth 100 bucks bro I’m sorry it’s smooth but it’s wobbly. Even the new Diawa legalis is better.
Whoa bud, calm down. I was being sincere asking you about your opinion of the reel, no need to get hostile BRO. Sounds like I struck a nerve.
On 8/29/2018 at 3:20 AM, J Francho said:Settle down, children!
We don't need no lubrication,
We don't need no cast control,
No dark jig trailers in the bass room,
Teacher leave them fish alone,
Hey, teacher, leave them fish alone....
"How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat"....
IBTL
I've been waiting for Mike @Delaware Valley Tackle to jump in on the conversation. Maybe he can give some information on ARB bearings in spinning reels. Steel or stainless steel? Specifically Shimano and Pflueger.
if the nasci is wobbly there is something wrong with it. they are well balanced. in fact, most spinning reels today are. only the really cheap ones wobble these days.
On 8/29/2018 at 11:41 PM, Bass Turd said:I've been waiting for Mike @Delaware Valley Tackle to jump in on the conversation. Maybe he can give some information on ARB bearings in spinning reels. Steel or stainless steel? Specifically Shimano and Pflueger.
I'm not privy to every element of every reel but as far as I'm concerned "ARB" is marketing jargon for a slightly higher quality bearing. There are grades of SS and assume this is the difference. I can't see a bearing company making anything to intentionally rust or worse yet a prominent reel company sourcing them. The OP is a clear case of neglect. Always makes sure all your tackle: rods, reels, baits, hooks, tools... are dry before storage and keep each clean and properly lubricated.
As brand vs brand spinning reels, Shimano's heavy duty, self contained design is unique and worth points when comparing apples to apples.
Are we talking Anti Reverse Bearing or Anti Rust Bearing?
On 8/30/2018 at 3:22 AM, J Francho said:Are we talking Anti Reverse Bearing or Anti Rust Bearing?
Lol he said ARB stands for Anti Rust Bearing, that would be hilarious if it's reverse omg.
On 8/30/2018 at 2:31 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:I'm not privy to every element of every reel but as far as I'm concerned "ARB" is marketing jargon for a slightly higher quality bearing. There are grades of SS and assume this is the difference. I can't see a bearing company making anything to intentionally rust or worse yet a prominent reel company sourcing them. The OP is a clear case of neglect. Always makes sure all your tackle: rods, reels, baits, hooks, tools... are dry before storage and keep each clean and properly lubricated.
As brand vs brand spinning reels, Shimano's heavy duty, self contained design is unique and worth points when comparing apples to apples.
So if I go kayaking and have my pole fastened to the deck of my kayak and it is getting splashed lightly most of the day when I'm not using it, I have to take it apart every time immediately after?
No not at all. Just lay it out to dry rather than stick it soaking wet in a rod locker, car trunk etc. if it gets dunked even more so.
On 8/30/2018 at 3:29 AM, Ohioguy25 said:Lol he said ARB stands for Anti Rust Bearing, that would be hilarious if it's reverse omg.
Yes, he did. ARB is Shimano's marketing term for their corrosion resistant bearings. Daiwa calls theirs CRBB.
On 8/30/2018 at 2:31 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:As brand vs brand spinning reels, Shimano's heavy duty, self contained design is unique and worth points when comparing apples to apples.
The roller bearing referred to here is also termed an ARB by other brands.
On 8/30/2018 at 4:22 AM, J Francho said:Yes, he did. ARB is Shimano's marketing term for their corrosion resistant bearings. Daiwa calls theirs CRBB.
The roller bearing referred to here is also termed an ARB by other brands.
Gotcha, are Shimano's particularly better protected than Abu Garcia's bearings?
Generally speaking Shimano bearings are on the higher end of the quality scale in my experience. Corrosion resistance wise...hard to tell. Just take care of whatever you have.
On 8/30/2018 at 6:53 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:Generally speaking Shimano bearings are on the higher end of the quality scale in my experience. Corrosion resistance wise...hard to tell. Just take care of whatever you have.
I'd echo Mike's opinion as well.
On 8/30/2018 at 8:44 PM, J Francho said:I'd echo Mike's opinion as well.
Is it worth returning my Revo X and getting the Nasci?
On 9/3/2018 at 3:12 AM, Ohioguy25 said:Is it worth returning my Revo X and getting the Nasci?
Only if you think it is. I am beginning to think nothing is going to work.
On 8/25/2018 at 11:05 AM, Ohioguy25 said:As I said it was the guy at the specialty shop who advised me that Shimano was probably the only reel under $100 that won't rust, not Field and Stream. If this isn't true then what do you suppose happened to my Pflueger?
I have had my Pflueger for a few years now, and there is absolutely no signs of rust on the bearings or anywhere else on it. Did you leave it on the lake when you weren't using it or something?
Anyway, aluminum is aluminum, steel is steel -- they're going to all rust the same regardless of what brand is stamped on it.
On 9/3/2018 at 12:11 PM, Boomstick said:Anyway, aluminum is aluminum, steel is steel -- they're going to all rust the same regardless of what brand is stamped on it.
Absolutely not! Steel is not steel. There are a ton of different steels such as stainless steel, tool steel, carbon steel, etc. These categories all vary based on there compositions. For example, stainless steel is a classification of steel so there are a multitude of different stainless steels that will have much differing performance in corrosion resistance that are all "stainless steel".
On 9/3/2018 at 4:58 PM, Stephen B said:Absolutely not! Steel is not steel. There are a ton of different steels such as stainless steel, tool steel, carbon steel, etc. These categories all vary based on there compositions. For example, stainless steel is a classification of steel so there are a multitude of different stainless steels that will have much differing performance in corrosion resistance that are all "stainless steel".
I should re-clarify, the same grade of steel is the same grade of steel. I think you know very well what I meant...
On 9/4/2018 at 12:41 AM, Boomstick said:I should re-clarify, the same grade of steel is the same grade of steel. I think you know very well what I meant...
Nope. I had no idea what you were intending to say. No problem though.
On 9/4/2018 at 3:15 AM, Stephen B said:Nope. I had no idea what you were intending to say. No problem though.
Sorry, I'm used to internet know it alls trying to take things out of context at the moment, but yeah I meant if it's made with the same materials, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Have had no issues at all in freshwater.
On 8/25/2018 at 6:59 AM, Ohioguy25 said:I want one I don't have to do anything to
Buy something cheap.
On 9/4/2018 at 9:20 AM, Boomstick said:Sorry, I'm used to internet know it alls trying to take things out of context at the moment, but yeah I meant if it's made with the same materials, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Have had no issues at all in freshwater.
I know exactly what you mean. Agreed. Goodluck fishing!
On 9/3/2018 at 9:16 AM, MickD said:Only if you think it is. I am beginning to think nothing is going to work.
What do you mean nothing is going to work??
I don't think there is anything available that is going to satisfy your requirements.
On 9/6/2018 at 8:07 AM, MickD said:I don't think there is anything available that is going to satisfy your requirements.
What are my requirements, not rusting?