Got a new nice baitcaster. I hate it. 2024
Tackett1980 reply :
I tried to use baitcasters 20-25 years ago when I was a young man. I was never able to use the thing. I went back to spinning and never looked back.
A few few weeks ago I got the itch to try the baitcaster again. I thought maybe I was just inpatient in my youth and now that I’m old maybe I’d be able to master it.
So so long story short, for about 2.5 weeks now, I’ve been watching YouTube videos and practicing in the backyard.
I can. Not. Use. This. Thing.
The only way I can keep it from Back lashing is to tighten everything to the point to where I can’t throw it very far, plus I can’t hit the broad side of a barn with it which bothers me more than anything.
i can plug the exact same spot with my spinning gear from 25 yards. I can’t do anything near that with this thing.
i think I’m just too much of a gorilla to finesse this thing.
Joshua van Wyk reply :
What reel is it?
What bait are you throwing?
What rod are you using?
All of these things make a difference. If you are trying to throw a weightless 4 inch senko you won't be getting much distance and it'll be very easy to backlash.
MassYak85 reply :
What model reel do you have? I fish baitcasters most of the time and "finesse" is the exact opposite of how I would treat them. All I do usually is apply a slight amount of thumb pressure, but I put some serious "umph" into my casts.
JoshFromBolo reply :
Cheap or expensive, learning a baitcaster can take a whole season to fully know what your doing with it. Takes a ton of paitence, trust me I had 100's of backlashes starting out. STILL DO lol
KDW96 reply :
What SIZE and TYPE of line? And what weight of bait were you using?
LionHeart reply :
It's just hard work man. You will get frustrated for sure. Anyone you know that could help couch you a bit. Even a random dude at the boat launch would likely be eager to give a half hour or so to offer pointers.
YouTube is an outstanding resource but can only take you so far. Having an experienced person at your disposal would be invaluable.
WRB reply :
Members are trying to help the op and need some basic answers like rod model, reel model and lure weight as a minimum.
Most spinning outfit anglers that transition to bait casting blame the reel and it's nearly always poor casting mechanics....trying to whip the rod like a spinning rod.
Tom
lo n slo reply :
use what works for you
Tackett1980 reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 8:44 AM, WRB said:Members are trying to help the op and need some basic answers like rod model, reel model and lure weight as a minimum.
Most spinning outfit anglers that transition to bait casting blame the reel and it's nearly always poor casting mechanics....trying to whip the rod like a spinning rod.
Tom
I’m not trying to sound like I am blaming the reel. I know I just suck at it and I honestly don’t see the point. It seems like more work than it’s worth. Really the purpose of the thread was more to imply the question of “why am I doing this?”
I catch fish on spinning gear, I’ve caught some monsters on spinning gear. It seems like I’m opening myself up to a bunch of headache I don’t really need, so my question is really, what’s there to gain by doing this to myself? Is this worth spending the next “x” amount of outings ticking with my equipment instead of catching fish?
answers to questions:
Reel: kastking royale elite (8.1)
rod: st croix MF 7’
line: trilene xt 12lb mono.
lure: practicing with a lunker hunter poppin frog
Sorry it took so long to respond I didn’t expect replies this soon.
Hulkster reply :
once you adjust your reel properly it should be pretty easy.
start by engaging all brakes.
adjust the spool tension knob so that the lure slowly falls to the ground when you engage the clutch button.
When casting wait for the rod to load up before you swing forward. gently thumb the spool while the lure is in mid cast and stop the spool as it splashes down. as you get good you will be able to lift your thumb off when the lure is in mid cast.
back off the brakes as you get the hang of it to gain more distance.
you should be able to cast farther with your baitcasting rod than your spinning rod for heavier baits
the main advantage is that they have much more torque so for big bladed baits and big crankbaits baitcasters are 1000x easier to retrieve such baits.
keep practicing and don't give up just yet.
Mobasser reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 9:26 AM, lo n slo said:use what works for you
I agree with lo n slow. Use what your comfortable with. Both will work
rippin-lips reply :
Reel - questionable
Rod - good
Line - good
Lure - questionable
If it’s the small frog then try something heavier to start with until you get the hang of it. With a decent quality baitcaster you can use it with little to no thumb at all until right before the lure hits water. I have no experience with KK reels so I can’t say if it’s good or bad in terms of quality. I do know a lot of times in life the whole “you get what you pay for” saying rings true.
scaleface reply :
Release earlier than you do on the spinning set up , or else you will cast it in the ground with a big back-lash .
WRB reply :
I prefer learning with a 5/8-3/4 oz practice casting plug for 2 reasons; aerodynamic shape and flat sides to prevent line twist. Fast action rods are not the best choice to learn with, but that is what you have.
You can look at vedio's all day and I think Glenn's instructional bed is a good start.
Catt's suggestion to put a rolled news paper under your upper casting arm is also a good idea to reduce over swinging. Letting the rod do it work requires slowing the casting motion down,from then on it's timing the release.
If you don't want to practice and happy with spinning I can't see any reason to beat yourself up to learn something your heart isn't into.
Tom
new2BC4bass reply :
I have zero experience with any KastKing reel. Therefore I have no idea how well their magnetic brakes work. I can suggest several reels that should help you to have fewer backlashes. Any Daiwa with 3D Magforce. These will be used reels in the T3 series. They were the first reels I ever used where I didn't need to apply thumb pressure somewhere in the cast. I have an older Shimano Exsence that is nearly impossible to backlash as long as you don't go below Max on the Max...Min setting. Max and any other setting need no thumb....and this is with loose spool tension.
Even used the Exsence is expensive. Probably can find a T3 for $140 or less. There are a couple older gold colored Carbonlites for sale on another forum for $55. These have a dual braking system and can be set up to be almost backlash proof. I imagine most other dual brake reels are similar. An older Patriarch XT is another dual brake reel that would be a good choice. My last one cost me $65....it was a $250 reel when new.
It is very important to know that you can't cast a baitcast rod like you are use to doing with your spinning rods. Smoothness is critical. Are you using a side arm roll cast? If not, I would highly suggest you do. It helps a lot to smooth out the rod reversal. Jerks here cause an immediate backlash if not very careful. Even for people use to a baitcast reel.
Dirtyeggroll reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 9:47 AM, Tackett1980 said:“Why am I doing this?”
It seems like I’m opening myself up to a bunch of headache I don’t really need, so my question is really, what’s there to gain by doing this to myself?
Is this worth spending the next “x” amount of outings ticking with my equipment instead of catching fish?
You can do it.
Yes it’s going to be difficult at first, as are most things for which you haven’t developed “muscle memory” or fundamentals.
It will be worth it. Casting gear is not “necessary” but there plenty of times when it can be more efficient and can help you catch more fish. It will not, however, change your life or make fish jump in the boat. On the contrary, feeing good about mastering something new, may.
My suggestion is two-fold.
1) Start with an at least 1/2 ounce moving bait that doesn’t require tricky casts and you can cover a lot of open water quickly. Crank the tension knob down until the bait doesn’t fall or just barely falls with the spook released. Crank the brakes down all the way. Start out making gentle casts and practice the same type of cast to start to train your thumb.
2) Keep practicing through the mistakes and the tiredness. This will really help to solidify the “muscle” memory. Don’t end your practice session on a backlash.
Backlashes are annoying as hell. You can do it though.
GeekFisher reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 9:47 AM, Tackett1980 said:I’m not trying to sound like I am blaming the reel. I know I just suck at it and I honestly don’t see the point. It seems like more work than it’s worth. Really the purpose of the thread was more to imply the question of “why am I doing this?”
I catch fish on spinning gear, I’ve caught some monsters on spinning gear. It seems like I’m opening myself up to a bunch of headache I don’t really need, so my question is really, what’s there to gain by doing this to myself? Is this worth spending the next “x” amount of outings ticking with my equipment instead of catching fish?
answers to questions:
Reel: kastking royale elite (8.1)
rod: st croix MF 7’
line: trilene xt 12lb mono.
lure: practicing with a lunker hunter poppin frog
Sorry it took so long to respond I didn’t expect replies this soon.
I am using the same reel you do and I love it ! Its on my frog Rod which is an heavy though and I'm casting a 5/8 to 3/4 HB frog. It cast a mile and a half. I'm Rocket launching that frog just a few spins shy of the spool knot. I guess you are using the smaller frog since you have a medium. Like the other guys said, you more need the Pendulum/momentum effect of the lure than the whip of the rod to propulsate the lure. There should be no wrist flick. Its a Little bit like a golf swing (straight forearms and wrist) and you need to let the lure go a tad before what you are use to with the spinning reel otherwise, like golf, you'll slice.
I'll double check my settings tomorrow and let you know. Whats that frog weight ?
GeekFisher reply :
Also, guys that told you to not end your training on a backlash are right. I would push that further and try to finish on a short sequence of good, satisfying cast. That means more distance and accuracy than when you start the training session. I use to practice at the end if the Fishing day for 15 to 45 minutes (my 45 minutes session included an aggressive pike that helped ????) I also went out to a field at least for an initial setup, and tried these setups on the bank. Also try to notice when the backlash occurs, at the beginning or the end of the cast. Also note that frog will be influenced by the winds, you Will likely have to crank brake and spool tension when casting into winds and lose some distance.
Junger reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 7:47 AM, Tackett1980 said:i think I’m just too much of a gorilla to finesse this thing.
If I can do it, you can do it. I picked up a BC for the first time last year and got the hang of it in about a month. People will help you here. Braid is easier to pick out than the other stuff. Walk out 75-80 yards of line, then tape the spool so that the line won't come out any farther than that. This will help you reduce "birds nests". Answer some people's questions about line/reel model, lure you're throwing, etc and you'll get some solid advice.
Fishin Dad reply :
Why use a baitcaster? For me, I get off way more casts with a baitcaster. I also find fighting a fish much easier (especially for my hands/fingers) and I get a lot more power to control fish. Topwater frog in slop on spinning.........yuck and ouch!
i am not a professional, but here are a couple insights. I find it way easier and more accurate for me to use a lighter power rod (M and/or glass instead of MH Or especially H). A more aerodynamic, heavier lure (1/2 oz). And do NOT learn to cast a baitcaster in the wind. Wind will frustrate the heck out of you.
I really couldn't fish the same without a Baitcaster. I think you will find it very worth it and rewarding once you do. Like everyone said, it can be frustrating, but as many people as have learned to do it, you got this!!!
fishnkamp reply :
Lets start this with a simple question. Where are you located? We have members all over the place and many would be happy to give you some personal assistance. If you live anywhere near MD, DC, VA, DE or PA we could meet. I can cast and correctly set your rig up, then help you learn how to properly work with it. I can also bring one or two of my personal setups with some of my Daiwa reels so you can see what another rod and reel play like. If you are not in my area, then I am sure another member would happily meet you at some school's grassy field or some pond for some one on one training. That also helps to determine if the problem is a defective reel, improperly installed line (slipping on the spool), just poor casting techniques or some other issue. I noticed your personal info says you are a newer member, so welcome to our playground. As for your situation it helps to fill in your profile so members close to you know they can personally help. Another good reason is many of our members end up sharing fishing trips with other members. I personally have shared my boat with at least a dozen anglers from several websites I belong to.
DogBone_384 reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 9:47 AM, Tackett1980 said:I know I just suck at it and I honestly don’t see the point. It seems like more work than it’s worth.
Keep at it and follow the membership’s advice. Once you get the hang of it you’ll “see the point.”
burrows reply :
It takes time..... it takes time... be patient you will get it eventually if we learned so will you. Can actually take even a couple of months till you finally get it down. You’re gonna get it just give it time.
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 9:47 AM, Tackett1980 said:
I catch fish on spinning gear, I’ve caught some monsters on spinning gear. It seems like I’m opening myself up to a bunch of headache I don’t really need, so my question is really, what’s there to gain by doing this to myself? Is this worth spending the next “x” amount of outings ticking with my equipment instead of catching fish?
I agree with use what you comfortable with, if you like spinning why not? There are many pros out there that use only spinning outfit. Spinning these day can do pretty much baitcaster can do even with big heavy swimbait.
Now benefits of baitcaster TO ME anyway are rapid cast, more accuracy, less line twist problem and much more choice of line to use with.
LionHeart reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 12:44 PM, fishnkamp said:Lets start this with a simple question. Where are you located? We have members all over the place and many would be happy to give you some personal assistance. If you live anywhere near MD, DC, VA, DE or PA we could meet. I can cast and correctly set your rig up, then help you learn how to properly work with it. I can also bring one or two of my personal setups with some of my Daiwa reels so you can see what another rod and reel play like. If you are not in my area, then I am sure another member would happily meet you at some school's grassy field or some pond for some one on one training. That also helps to determine if the problem is a defective reel, improperly installed line (slipping on the spool), just poor casting techniques or some other issue. I noticed your personal info says you are a newer member, so welcome to our playground. As for your situation it helps to fill in your profile so members close to you know they can personally help. Another good reason is many of our members end up sharing fishing trips with other members. I personally have shared my boat with at least a dozen anglers from several websites I belong to.
Dallas TX area, I'd give you some time on a Sat afternoon no problem. Where you from?
Joshua van Wyk reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 9:47 AM, Tackett1980 said:I’m not trying to sound like I am blaming the reel. I know I just suck at it and I honestly don’t see the point. It seems like more work than it’s worth. Really the purpose of the thread was more to imply the question of “why am I doing this?”
I catch fish on spinning gear, I’ve caught some monsters on spinning gear. It seems like I’m opening myself up to a bunch of headache I don’t really need, so my question is really, what’s there to gain by doing this to myself? Is this worth spending the next “x” amount of outings ticking with my equipment instead of catching fish?
answers to questions:
Reel: kastking royale elite (8.1)
rod: st croix MF 7’
line: trilene xt 12lb mono.
lure: practicing with a lunker hunter poppin frog
Sorry it took so long to respond I didn’t expect replies this soon.
I learned on a Kast king too. It's a tricky to reel to get used to but it's great to learn with.
NYWayfarer reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 8:08 PM, Joshua van Wyk said:I learned on a Kast king too. It's a tricky to reel to get used to but it's great to learn with.
While I didn't learn on a Kastking, a Kastking reel (The Stealth) is what made me really start using them consistently. I found the Kastking reels easy to dial in the dual brakes and prevent backlash enough to where I was able to educate my thumb.
The Royal Legend Elite only has magnetic brakes. I prefer the dual brakes on most of their other baitcasters (Stealth, Assassin, Spartacus, Royal Legend/Whitemax)
My advice is avoid light lures when trying to learn baitcasters. Try a topwater lure like a Whopper Plopper. The heavier lure will allow you to set the brakes at near max and still get a decent cast without backlash. Once you have casted a few times without issue you can click the magnetic brakes down one notch. Repeat until you have dialed the brakes to get maximum casting distance without issue.
Also no need to "gorilla" your cast. Wrists and rod do the work in the cast.
Good luck and stick with it!
new2BC4bass reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 12:44 PM, fishnkamp said:Lets start this with a simple question. Where are you located? We have members all over the place and many would be happy to give you some personal assistance. If you live anywhere near MD, DC, VA, DE or PA we could meet. I can cast and correctly set your rig up, then help you learn how to properly work with it. I can also bring one or two of my personal setups with some of my Daiwa reels so you can see what another rod and reel play like. If you are not in my area, then I am sure another member would happily meet you at some school's grassy field or some pond for some one on one training. That also helps to determine if the problem is a defective reel, improperly installed line (slipping on the spool), just poor casting techniques or some other issue. I noticed your personal info says you are a newer member, so welcome to our playground. As for your situation it helps to fill in your profile so members close to you know they can personally help. Another good reason is many of our members end up sharing fishing trips with other members. I personally have shared my boat with at least a dozen anglers from several websites I belong to.
As fishnkamp (a good guy 
) said, many of us are willing to meet up with you for some one on one. It helps to know the area of the country you live in. I could supply an example of each of the reels I mentioned in my post for you to try. Plus a lot more. Heck, I could even bring a few different rods for you to try if you wished.
I have no idea why someone mentioned that a Fast action wasn't good to learn on. A combo I haven't backlashed yet is an older Trion with 17# mono on a 6'10" HF. It was a backlashing machine when loaded with light braid on a MF rod. Some reels do better in different lure weight ranges. For me this reel does much better with a heavier weight. Of course a lot of that is due to my lack of skill. 
Choporoz reply :
1. Tighten the spool tensioner
2. Tighten the brakes
3. Loosen the drag
4. Put the combo in a corner
5. Use your spinning gear
ratherbfishin1 reply :
I would really try throwing something other than a frog at first. Maybe a weighted T-rig. Frogs can be weird sometimes on a baitcaster when you are just starting.
EGbassing reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 11:51 AM, Junger said:Walk out 75-80 yards of line, then tape the spool so that the line won't come out any farther than that.
I agree with that, but 75 - 80 yards sounds like way too much for just starting out. I never hit close to 80 yards and I've used a BC for years. I would tape it down at about 90 feet.
Also, I definitely wouldn't use a frog to start out. A jig or a bullet weight would be a lot easier to cast. Trust me, I still have problems casting frogs.
Darren. reply :
Since it will take time to master the art of baitcasting, you have to
ask yourself if you want to spend the time necessary to do so. I did
and had a lot of success with BCs. But over time I simply felt that
spinning was more useful to me in more situations.
Sold off some of my casting gear and only have one BC reel with 2
rods that I use these days. The majority of the time I use spinning only.
As others have said, use what you feel comfortable with.
onenutinthewater reply :
Stick with it and try another reel- My first bc was a revo stx and i never did figure that thing out and finally sold it. Being frustrated I read everything I could get my hands on and after reading the TT reviews on the Daiwa Tatula I decided to give it a try.
Bingo -it all became crystal clear and got so easy that i now have 20+ bc reels and enjoy them for most situations. Kinda wish i still had that reel because in the back of my mind i always wonder if it was me or the reel...........
new2BC4bass reply :
On 10/25/2018 at 12:41 AM, onenutinthewater said:Stick with it and try another reel- My first bc was a revo stx and i never did figure that thing out and finally sold it. Being frustrated I read everything I could get my hands on and after reading the TT reviews on the Daiwa Tatula I decided to give it a try.
Bingo -it all became crystal clear and got so easy that i now have 20+ bc reels and enjoy them for most situations. Kinda wish i still had that reel because in the back of my mind i always wonder if it was me or the reel...........
I have a Gen1 STX. Have made some of my longest casts with it. Very good reels. I've read that the Gen2 reels were even better partly due to their dual braking. Gen1 is magnetic only. I switched to baitcast reels when I got back into fishing in '09. I have a few more than that. 
BaitFinesse reply :
Linear mag brakes strike again.
greentrout reply :
Take it back...get your money back...be happy...fish with spinning...the sun will rise tomorrow...
A man's got to know his limitations...
Dirty Harry Callahan
TBAG reply :
Very good advice in this thread, but like others have said it takes practice off the water. If you're not willing to do that then yeah, send it back and stick to what you know. You don't have to use a BC to catch fish, but it sure makes it easier IMO.
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
Would you guy stop blaming the reel, doesn't matter WHICH REEL if the guy don't know how to set the reel correctly (brake/spool tension) and don't know how to thumb or delay the spin of spool (stop the puffing), the disaster wait to happen.
Choporoz reply :
BR misses @SirSnookalot
new2BC4bass reply :
On 10/25/2018 at 2:26 AM, Choporoz said:BR misses @SirSnookalot
I know I do. 
Boomstick reply :
When I started getting back into fishing last year, I went out and bought spinning rods for myself and my youngest son. My oldest son was brave enough to try the baitcaster. We both spent time trying to learn it, and for the first few weeks, had a very difficult time. At this time, I probably could say that I hated it, but we remained optimistic because we know that people do learn how to use them and kept trying.
Fast forward about a month or so, I finally figured out how to use the baitcaster and now for anything besides finesse baits, I couldn't see myself using anything else! I can cast more quickly and accurately and I just love fishing with the baitcaster! I immediately went out and bought one for myself at that point.
Fast forward about another month or so, and I started being able to cast reliably without birds nesting, turned my tension knob and brakes way down and could cast for better distance and place my bait within a 12" radius of where I tried to cast it pretty consistently. Caught my biggest bass to date by throwing it perfectly under a fallen tree which was an absolutely perfect cast!
Start with the brakes turned all the way up, and adjust it so that your bait falls rather slowly. If the tension knob is a little too tight, it might cause backlash issues as well (although usually more minor). Start by casting sidearm, and when you cast, you want to essentially draw a Nike symbol with your rod, and as you start to throw it forward, speed up your cast to really throw it forward. I found that I was hesitating to throw it forward for fear of birds nesting, but as it turns out the further you throw it forward, the less likely to birds nest you are.
Hope that helps anyway.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
I have that reel. Its a great reel for the money but can be a pain to tune. Start by turning your brakes off. Then set the spool tension so that the bait falls slow enough to stop the spool when the bait hits the ground. Since you are new turn your mag brakes to 3/4 strength. Cast. Adjust brakes back down until you are getting the furthest cast without backlash. If you are getting backlash at 3/4 it is more user error than reel.
burrows reply :
From my understanding Yamamoto will not fish with bait casters and you don’t have to fish them but if you don’t learn how will you ever know if it will benefit you and maybe help you become a better angler?
r83srock reply :
How much line do you have spooled. You won’t cast as far but you can start with less line on the spool until you get it down.
Tennessee Boy reply :
I'm guessing that your problem is actually pretty simple. You've been casting a spinning reel for a long time and you're trying to cast your new baitcaster the same way. You cast a spinning rod with a quick snapping action. This will generate a backlash every time with a bait caster. Try this. Turn the breaks to max. Tie on a 1/2 to 3/4 ounce weight and with a long, full, smooth casting motion make a very short cast. Just lob it a few yards using a full casting motion. When you master the long slow smooth short cast, then use the same long smooth casting motion to cast a little further. Then just keep increasing the distance and turn the breaks down some as you go. You want to lob the lure instead of whipping it the way you've been doing it with the spinning rod.
Maggiesmaster reply :
My brother HATES baitcasters, and cusses them at every opportunity. A bunch of us were fishing, and he started in. I finally laughed and said “ Charles, you’ve got a mental problem and need to see a psychiatrist.” He replied “ The first thing you need to do to get help is to admit you’ve got a problem, and I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM????!.” Keep using your spinning rig! FWIW, I use both.
BobP reply :
My buddy was raised on spinning, me on baitcasting. When he started using a baitcaster, I noticed one or two big differences he had a hard time adjusting. Baitcasting wants a more compact and controlled casting stroke. Flailing away with abandon and accelerating the rod too hard is a recipe for disaster. You need to feel the rod flex and let it do its work. Once you have the basic stroke down, add more power as long as you keep it in control. Side arm casting is easier to control if space permits. Using a reel that is adjusted properly solves a lot of problems. Don’t think you are fixing a backlash problem by cranking down the cast control and brakes to max, that only results in frustration and 10 ft casts, not fewer backlashes.
Mikeltee reply :
It's all about the thumb. You have to train that bad dude to apply light pressure at times and full pressure right before it hits the water. I had not thrown a baitcaster in 25 years until spring. It was like riding a bike. Once you get it down you will have it for life.
All you can do is practice. Preferably with something heavy like about 3/4oz and work your way down in no wind. Wind is when you get to master your thumb work.
fishwizzard reply :
The best way I can describe how to use a baitcaster is to liken it to shooting pool. In both you almost never want to put all your strength behind it, they are both all about smooth and controlled force and in both cases you almost always want to err on the side of less force. When shooting pool in a crowded bar full of drunk rednecks you *do not* want that ball to leave the table and hit someone, bring that same level of caution to casting a baitcaster.
scaleface reply :
I gave a kid a bait casting rod and reel for his graduation gift . I took him fishing a month ago and got the hang of it in an hour .
EGbassing reply :
On 10/26/2018 at 4:55 AM, scaleface said:I gave a kid a bait casting rod and reel for his graduation gift . I took him fishing a month ago and got the hang of it in an hour .
It was the same way for me. I think it must be because he's fished with spinning reels so long.
thedilettantedad reply :
I pretty much learned watching a couple fluke master videos on YouTube, then spending a morning just practicing. I am not great or accurate, but I am down to two bird nests a trip and it doesn't take me more thank 5 minutes to pick out and get going again.
Good luck!
burrows reply :
Bird nest are part of the gig
islandbass reply :
On 10/25/2018 at 9:30 AM, BobP said:My buddy was raised on spinning, me on baitcasting. When he started using a baitcaster, I noticed one or two big differences he had a hard time adjusting. Baitcasting wants a more compact and controlled casting stroke. Flailing away with abandon and accelerating the rod too hard is a recipe for disaster. You need to feel the rod flex and let it do its work. Once you have the basic stroke down, add more power as long as you keep it in control. Side arm casting is easier to control if space permits. Using a reel that is adjusted properly solves a lot of problems. Don’t think you are fixing a backlash problem by cranking down the cast control and brakes to max, that only results in frustration and 10 ft casts, not fewer backlashes.
This is golden and the key for all spinners to keep in mind. The first thing spinners getting into using casting gear is that whipped kind of casting you're accustomed to in which the rod is not properly loaded by the rod is a disaster waiting to happen on casting gear, for which, with spinning gear, one can do without ill effect or penalty.
The sooner spinners realize that, the faster they'll learn. Speaking from experience.
Now, whipping a casting rod is generally NOT an issue if the lure's weight properly loads the rod AND the reel is set correctly. The only two show stoppers are, if all of else is correct, is a super-strong wind or the lure hits something unexpectedly and the angler's thumb didn't stop the spool from spinning before the hit occurred.
BaitFinesse reply :
I whip my casting reels all the time. The only reels I have to smoothly lob cast are linear mag brake reels that don't have a centrifugal brake to curb spool RPM at the beginning of the cast and instead rely on spool tension or thumb. My centrifugal, Magforce V/Z and Air Brake reels have no problem being whipped and are set with little to no spool tension and require no thumb other than on splash down and some of the Air Brake SV reels don't even need that.
The problem is the combination of the reel and beginner user. It is a linear mag brake reel. It is going to require the use of spool tension or thumb to keep it from blowing up on the cast when whipping it out there. A change to a centrifugal reel like a Shimano or Magforce Z reel would be a huge improvement.
greentrout reply :
Tackett1980 reply :
Thanks for all the responses everyone.
I actually finally sold it. I’ll never touch another one of those nasty things again. I’m not sure why anyone would choose these over a spinning reel. I understand people have different preferences, but the frustration was just too much for me.
I practiced quite a bit with it, I took it out a few times and could throw a few here and there, but eventually it would backlash so bad that I would just cut the line and throw it in the back of the yak. I literally can only see negatives to these reels and I have no idea why anyone goes near them. Fishing is supposed to be fun and relaxing, and there’s nothing fun or relaxing to me about these types of reels, nothing. Anything this reel can do I can do with a spinner with less headache.
I appreciate all the enthusiasm and postitivity I received with this post, and to everyone that loves these things more power to you, and I wish you happy fishing.
new2BC4bass reply :
I feel bad that you had so much trouble with the reel. It takes some time to learn. More for some than others. I was in the "more" camp. Although I grew up using spinning reels, I enjoy using a baitcast reel much more than a spinning reel. I was 61 before learning how to use one.
I still think if you could try a couple of my reels, you would do alright with a baitcast reel. However, I realize they aren't for everyone....even if I wish they were. My oldest grandson has no desire to try one. A brother-in-law that I fish with feels the same way. My daughter's ex-fiance only likes to use spincast reels. I offered to let him try one of my spinning combos, but he wasn't interested. On the other hand, my daughter started with spinning reels. She hasn't touched them since I bought her a baitcast outfit. 
To each his own. We like what we like. If using a baitcast reel takes the fun out of fishing, then I say forget about it. We are all out there to enjoy ourselves. I have a nine-to-five if I want to work.
Hulkster reply :
On 10/26/2018 at 5:46 AM, Burrows said:Bird nest are part of the gig
but only during the learning curve. after you get good with it you never backlash anymore.
its a shame the OP had so much trouble, sounds like the reel was difficult to adjust and not consistent.
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
On 10/26/2018 at 10:58 AM, new2BC4bass said:I feel bad that you had so much trouble with the reel. It takes some time to learn. More for some than others. I was in the "more" camp.
Although I grew up using spinning reels, I enjoy using a baitcast reel much more than a spinning reel. I was 61 before learning how to use one.
I still think if you could try a couple of my reels, you would do alright with a baitcast reel. However, I realize they aren't for everyone....even if I wish they were. My oldest grandson has no desire to try one. A brother-in-law that I fish with feels the same way. My daughter's ex-fiance only likes to use spincast reels. I offered to let him try one of my spinning combos, but he wasn't interested. On the other hand, my daughter started with spinning reels. She hasn't touched them since I bought her a baitcast outfit.
To each his own. We like what we like. If using a baitcast reel takes the fun out of fishing, then I say forget about it. We are all out there to enjoy ourselves. I have a nine-to-five if I want to work.
I would love to try yours especially those pixy/Alphas. Pls send to my address below ????
new2BC4bass reply :
On 10/27/2018 at 12:52 AM, JustJames said:I would love to try yours especially those pixy/Alphas. Pls send to my address below ????
Musikfest starts the 2nd week of August every year. Take a vacation and fly here for it. I will gladly let you try a few. However, be aware there will be a security guard near so that none leave with you.
Harold Scoggins reply :
You can't beat hands on instruction. I remember when I was trying to learn I eventually just walked up to a guy fishing the bank and in 30 minutes he had me roll casting and skipping. Today I'm flipping and pitching from a seated position in a kayak...keep at it and don't be afraid to ask for help. Your first cast without issues is the cast you will remember the rest of your life.
Tackett1980 reply :
Well the dude that was supposed to buy this thing backed out, so I guess it’s fate.
I just wont take it out with me until I get it down a little better.
at least practicing will help some with the fishing itch this winter if nothing else.
Looks like I’m headed to wal mart to buy some more cheap mono and some plugs.
ill keep this thread updated and maybe I can post some videos for everyone to critique my form?
Fishingmickey reply :
On 10/27/2018 at 1:38 AM, Tackett1980 said:Well the dude that was supposed to buy this thing backed out, so I guess it’s fate.
I just wont take it out with me until I get it down a little better.
at least practicing will help some with the fishing itch this winter if nothing else.
Looks like I’m headed to wal mart to buy some more cheap mono and some plugs.
ill keep this thread updated and maybe I can post some videos for everyone to critique my form?
When you refill your spool, only fill it to 3/4's of the spool. Good luck.
FM
Tackett1980 reply :
On 10/27/2018 at 1:43 AM, Fishingmickey said:When you refill your spool, only fill it to 3/4's of the spool. Good luck.
FM
Sounds good will do.
i also like the taping trick idea I’m also going to do that.
fishnkamp reply :
You never mentioned where you are located. If there is a member on here that is located near you it would be easy to hook up for a short lesson and maybe a trip to a local pond. Watch and learn how they setup theri rig nd even try it. The problem is often just how the reel is properly adjusted. I know this from experience since I have met with and helped dozens if anglers from several boards. Best of all I have taken many out fishing on my boat later. i enjoy fishing with different anglers. I get to enjoy their company and most times we both learn a few new tricks.
NHBull reply :
Like others have said, use way you like...who cares.
If you want training wheels, get a Shimano DC.
Taught my daughter in one this summer and now uses a Met MGL with ease
islandbass reply :
On 10/27/2018 at 1:38 AM, Tackett1980 said:Well the dude that was supposed to buy this thing backed out, so I guess it’s fate.
I just wont take it out with me until I get it down a little better.
at least practicing will help some with the fishing itch this winter if nothing else.
Looks like I’m headed to wal mart to buy some more cheap mono and some plugs.
ill keep this thread updated and maybe I can post some videos for everyone to critique my form?
That is excellent. I’m also from a 100% spinning background and I learned a lot of things the harrrrrrd way because no one I knew personally used one.
I learned via trial and error and fortunately for you and others here, you have the advice of your thread.
I too learned over a winter break. So here’s the deal:
mono - 10 to 15# test. Buy a larger spool of trilene big game because it’s very economical.
1/2 weight - buy a few half oz bass casting weights. Stay away from lures. No need to sacrifice a good lure for your learning. They will also have something to tie the line like a casting plug. Do use you anything less than 1/2 oz.
amount of line - this is very important. Make sure the line is optimally filled. Half or overfilled might slow your learning. Typically it’s about 1/8 - 1/16 under the lip of the spool but check with reel maker’s recommendation.
Casting mechanics- THIS IS THE MOST DIFFICULT THING for someone coming from a spinning background. We need to learn how use the weight of our lure (bass casting weight in your case) to properly load the rod. You have years of spinning behind you where you don’t have to this although you should because too would improve your casting efficiency.
I’ll write more later.
Maggiesmaster reply :
Don’t buy cheap mono. It’ll only backlash worse. Pick up at least 5/8 oz. practice plugs also. If you can at all, take up one of the offers for ‘hands on’ instruction. The fellows (and gals!) on this board are great!
islandbass reply :
With everything set up properly and the bass casting tied on, go through the motions of a cast (a soft, light cast) but do not let your thumb off of the spool. Instead. Allow yourself to feel the weight pull back the rod and then feel the rod shoot the weight forward. Remember, don’t let your thumb off the spool. The only goal is to feel the rod get loaded (bend back) by the weight and spring the weight forward (spring forward).
Do this enough times to get familiar with this sensation.
You’re ready to let it go now. You choose if you want to cast side arm or overhand.
I will I’ll give you the scoop on the overhand cast. Picture 12 o’clock above you and 9 directly in front and 6 behind.
The time to release your thumb off the spool is between 1 and 2:00. If you let go at 12:00, the lure will slam into the ground in front of you. This is going to feel awkward because you have years of having your release time with a spinning reel with you. If you release at the time I recommend, the cast will be successful if everything is properly set.
Sidearm is very similar. If the weight flies to you’re left, (assuming casting right handed) you’re letting go too late. To the other right, too early. Directly in front of you, perfect timing.
So over the the winter and fall, practice as much as you can in your yard. I have no doubt you’ll get this down well before the spring.
Now get r done.
Koz reply :
On 10/24/2018 at 8:44 AM, WRB said:...trying to whip the rod like a spinning rod.
I STILL do that once in a while and pay the price!
CrankFate reply :
My advice on casting a baitcaster is to get a rod capable of throwing 1oz at the sweet spot, with a relatively fast, but not very fast tip. Any decent, inexpensive baitcaster on such a rod will cast far with ease. The reason I say to throw 1oz is exactly the reason you said it doesn’t work—because you have to tighten everything down. If you start at 1oz, you can tighten everything down, but you’ll still be able to get good distance all tightened down. You can also use 15-20lb braid no problem. Once you can cast a reasonable distance, practice backing off the settings until you can throw full strength without everything buttoned down. IMO, learning a baitcaster is the opposite of a spinner. A spinner casts light easy. But try throwing 12oz on a spinner. It’s harder than a baitcaster. A baitcaster does heavier easier, so start around 1 to 1.5oz and work your way down in weight. Then you’ll be able to throw a lighter rod and faster reel no problem. It is very hard to throw very light for everyone, and even if you can do it without tangles, you’ll still find yourself cursing distance.
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