Good Finesse Baitcaster 1/8 - 3/16 Oz Baits 2024
Bdjr1 reply :
Looking to say around $200 or less
hzzhangc reply :
Any 50 size shimano or a Daiwa pixy can handle that easily. If you want more extreme just add a yumeya BFS spool.
masterbass reply :
On 1/18/2015 at 11:28 PM, hzzhangc said:Any 50 size shimano or a Daiwa pixy can handle that easily. If you want more extreme just add a yumeya BFS spool.
Agreed. The other important part of the puzzle is a rod that rated low enough to load those weights.
robster80 reply :
find a used daiwa sol
Catt reply :
Calcutta 100 
Jaheff reply :
*** *** - KP
Jeff H reply :
A whole lot of reels could do this duty if using 6lb test line and proper rod. The Daiwa Sol is a very good choice or any Daiwa Alphas. I have not done it yet but I'm going to buy one of those Pinnacle Producer LTE or whatever they're called, the ones all the mods here are bragging about. I'm betting with clean spool bearings even this reel with 6 lb line on it will throw 1/8 oz lures a respectable distance and they only cost $90.
Bdjr1 reply :
What Rod specs do u like
bootytrain reply :
For that price range and those weights the revo Lt would be the best
Jaheff reply :
On 1/18/2015 at 11:28 PM, hzzhangc said:Any 50 size shimano or a Daiwa pixy can handle that easily. If you want more extreme just add a yumeya BFS spool.
On 1/18/2015 at 11:31 PM, masterbass said:Agreed. The other important part of the puzzle is a rod that rated low enough to load those weights.
I love these responses, under 200, but add another 100bucks on a spool. while your at it, add a longer handle too.
aavery2 reply :
Since there are so many stock reels that are capable of casting 1/8th oz weight, can someone post some video of them casting a 1/8th oz naked jig head on a stock reel.
I have tried this on a lot of rod and reel combinations, many with upgraded spools and bearings, and I have not found it easy to do with any of them.
Help me out with some video, please.
masterbass reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 3:26 AM, Jaheff said:I love these responses, under 200, but add another 100bucks on a spool. while your at it, add a longer handle too.
The spool is not necessary nor longer handle.
masterbass reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 1:07 AM, Bdjr1 said:What Rod specs do u like
Most ML rods rated as low as 1/8 should work.
aavery2 reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 4:42 AM, masterbass said:Most ML rods rated as low as 1/8 should work.
What combination and line are you using to cast 1/8oz on?
Jaheff reply :
I must be doing something wrong. I have two rods rated down to 1/8 - 12. My super tuned 50e cant throw 18 on them. but it does throw 14 ounce total weight pretty good.
masterbass reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 4:46 AM, aavery2 said:What combination and line are you using to cast 1/8oz on?
I have a pixzilla on a klx finesse rod and pxl-r on a imx cr721. I use 10lb. power pro, but considering yozuri hybrid this year. I also have a scorpion xt with avail spool, but no rod presently.
aavery2 reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 12:01 AM, robster80 said:find a used daiwa sol
I have an upgraded Sol, bearings, drag, handle, level wind bearing, all the usual stuff. I don't find it that great at casting 1/8th oz baits. In fact I own a couple of very upgraded Fuego's and with the 100M spool installed I find them the better caster, but still not great at 1/8oz.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
At 1/8oz what do you guys feel would be a respectable distance for sub $200 reels?...sub $100 reels?
aavery2 reply :
If you can cast an 1/8th oz at all on a sub 100 dollar bait cast reel it would be good distance. I hear a lot of reports that the Curado 50E can do it for under 200, I know that I was not satisfied with mine even with upgrades and the distance was less than 10 yards.
cyclops2 reply :
O K
I cast Flicker Spinners. They weigh between 1/16 to 1/40 of a ounce.
Mitchell Ultra light with 2 # mono or 4# braid. Long & STIFF rod to get the air speed up there. Actually the easy way is split shot or cast downwind in a good breeze. 
aavery2 reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 5:48 AM, cyclops2 said:O K
I cast Flicker Spinners. They weigh between 1/16 to 1/40 of a ounce.
Mitchell Ultra light with 2 # mono or 4# braid. Long & STIFF rod to get the air speed up there. Actually the easy way is split shot or cast downwind in a good breeze.
Think he is looking for a LP BC by the title of his post.
John G reply :
But how far can u cast that weight with your heavy spool CT100 and your Crucial? I am getting a little over 20 yards casting an unweighted Trick Worm with a Shimano Scorpion XT-1000 w/a Yumeya BFS spool, a Loomis MBR782 and 10# Power Pro.On 1/19/2015 at 12:25 AM, Catt said:Calcutta 100
IMHO, a full spool on a stock 50 Shimano is still too heavy for casting really light lures.
Jaheff reply :
X2On 1/19/2015 at 5:42 AM, aavery2 said:If you can cast an 1/8th oz at all on a sub 100 dollar bait cast reel it would be good distance. I hear a lot of reports that the Curado 50E can do it for under 200, I know that I was not satisfied with mine even with upgrades and the distance was less than 10 yards.
Jaheff reply :
Two actual reels that I do own that throw light weight better than a 50E supertuned, with no spool upgrade is... under 200 is ***, and over 200 is Helios Air.
That's all throwing a 4" yum dinger wacky rigged weightless and a 18 ounce plus 2" grub on the same rod, line, etc...
aavery2 reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 4:53 AM, masterbass said:I have a pixzilla on a klx finesse rod and pxl-r on a imx cr721. I use 10lb. power pro, but considering yozuri hybrid this year. I also have a scorpion xt with avail spool, but no rod presently.
Nice setups, what you thinking of putting the Scorpion on?
Jeff H reply :
I don't think you'll find anybody that's really tried this will say throwing actual weight of 1/8 oz is easy on any rod/reel combo. I have fished 1/16 oz heads on small tubes (2-1/2" stubbys etc) and total weight probably exceeds actual weight of 1/8 oz. I don't weigh this crap, not that freaky about it. I throw 1/16 and 1/8 oz Charlie Brewer Pro Series Slider w/Producto 4" Tournament worms on 6 lb line a LOT. I can get approx 40-45 ft with these provided I'm not bucking a wind.
It's not easy, but it's not impossible. I've got a Presso going on a custom rod that I'll be using 4lb line on this season and I'm pretty sure it will throw 1/8 oz more than 45 ft. If I can get 50 ft I'll be more than happy with it.
bootytrain reply :
Theres a difference between casting 1/8th oz and casting 1/8th oz for distance and accuracy. I was able to cast a 1/8th drop shot weight with my Aldebaran BFS on a 6'9 Volkey UL about 110 ft. Now throw on a 1/8 oz rapala ultra light minnow Id be lucky to get 60-70 ft due to the aerodynamics and density. That being said, the Revo LT is gonna eat all others in the 200 or less range and even some more expensive BFS reels. Its basically an aluminum framed LTX/LTZ. Same superlight shallow spool that weights 8.2 grams. Order from Japan today, you should get it by next weekend. $176 plus shipping, should put you right at $200.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 6:19 AM, Jaheff said:Two actual reels that I do own that throw light weight better than a 50E supertuned, with no spool upgrade is... under 200 is ***, and over 200 is Helios Air.
That's all throwing a 4" yum dinger wacky rigged weightless and a 18 ounce plus 2" grub on the same rod, line, etc...
Ive weighed a 4" Dinger and it came in at .23005oz so with hook you're around 1/4oz. Ive owned a Helios and yes would say the Air would be quite capable, the Helios was.
Jaheff reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 6:43 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:Ive weighed a 4" Dinger and it came in at .23005oz so with hook you're around 1/4oz. Ive owned a Helios and yes would say the Air would be quite capable, the Helios was.
The Helios Air is the most versatile reel ive ever owned. Can throw light weight baits and 34 ounce baits effectively. I was Carolina riggin with it Friday.
masterbass reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 6:23 AM, aavery2 said:Nice setups, what you thinking of putting the Scorpion on?
dx702, phenix recon2 or m1. Still not sure yet.
Cgrinder reply :
Under $200, Shimano 50 is my recommendation. You should be able to get one for ~150 and put the extra money into Carbontex washers and a supertune. I feel that to make Alphas variants truly special, you have to put more than $200 into them. Ask me how I know! 
Arv reply :
You could get away with a 50 size shimano, but I would look at upgrading the spool when possible. In really not familiar with the daiwa reels that could be capable of handling those weights.
cyclops2 reply :
I am amazed at the technology we have that can allow a level wind to chuck a 1/16 oz.
I have to unwind about 100' & let it unwind as I wind up the 2# mono. It gets storage coils. Even the braids get coils. I just let out line behind the boat for a couple of minutes. Done
Edit
1st dry cast is perfect. Next wet line cast is a joke.
Load the reel with a weight forward or a shooting head & a 4# leader. Then the 1/16 should cast nicely
new2BC4bass reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 3:38 AM, aavery2 said:Since there are so many stock reels that are capable of casting 1/8th oz weight, can someone post some video of them casting a 1/8th oz naked jig head on a stock reel.
I have tried this on a lot of rod and reel combinations, many with upgraded spools and bearings, and I have not found it easy to do with any of them.
Help me out with some video, please.
I'll stand in line to watch these videos as well.
On 1/19/2015 at 4:52 AM, Jaheff said:I must be doing something wrong. I have two rods rated down to 1/8 - 12. My super tuned 50e cant throw 18 on them. but it does throw 14 ounce total weight pretty good.
I've tried 1/8 oz. on a Falcon Expert Light rated down to 1/16 oz. Was using an older gold colored Carbonlite. Maybe not the best reel I have for light weights, but throws a 3/16 oz. Shad Rap quite a ways. Haven't tried 1/8 oz. on any of my rods rated down to 1/8 oz. yet.
On 1/19/2015 at 4:57 AM, aavery2 said:I have an upgraded Sol, bearings, drag, handle, level wind bearing, all the usual stuff. I don't find it that great at casting 1/8th oz baits. In fact I own a couple of very upgraded Fuego's and with the 100M spool installed I find them the better caster, but still not great at 1/8oz.
One of my Sols was tuned and upgraded by e_bassfisher (purchased used). Seller was pretty sure it has ABEC9 bearings in it. I put a Presso spool in it. Unfortunately I spooled 10# Super Natural on it as I was putting it on a rod not designed for the real low weight baits. Need to spool some 6# and give it a fair shot on another rod. DVT did a thorough cleaning on my other Sol. Haven't tried below a 3/16 oz. spinnerbait with it (and we all know they weigh more than 3/16 oz.), but I doubt I can throw 1/8 oz. with it.
On 1/19/2015 at 5:38 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:At 1/8oz what do you guys feel would be a respectable distance for sub $200 reels?...sub $100 reels?
I'd like to know as well.
On 1/19/2015 at 6:26 AM, Jeff H said:I don't think you'll find anybody that's really tried this will say throwing actual weight of 1/8 oz is easy on any rod/reel combo. I have fished 1/16 oz heads on small tubes (2-1/2" stubbys etc) and total weight probably exceeds actual weight of 1/8 oz. I don't weigh this crap, not that freaky about it. I throw 1/16 and 1/8 oz Charlie Brewer Pro Series Slider w/Producto 4" Tournament worms on 6 lb line a LOT. I can get approx 40-45 ft with these provided I'm not bucking a wind.
It's not easy, but it's not impossible. I've got a Presso going on a custom rod that I'll be using 4lb line on this season and I'm pretty sure it will throw 1/8 oz more than 45 ft. If I can get 50 ft I'll be more than happy with it.
Jeff, you apparently aren't reading the right forums....or maybe not the right threads. Quite a few state this is easy and they have only been using a baitcaster for a few weeks. Normally they are using something like a $99 Lews, a Black Max, etc. and a MHF rod.
I recently received a PXL (nearly had a heart attack pressing the SUBMIT). Thought about 4# mono, but an experienced tournament fisherman said for bass fishing I should go with the 6# I have on other reels. I may try 4# for giggles. 
Previously I have been using a tuned and upgraded TD-Z 105H and 2 older gold Carbonlites for light lure duty. According to many threads I have read, I should be able to use several of my other reels as well. Two Purple Alphas (stock), an Alphas F tuned and upgraded drag and bearings, an Alphas ito 103ai, the 2 previously mentioned Sols and 2 Curado 51Es. Possibly my Tatula and Tatula Type R, and if I can believe a couple people, my Lews Tournament Pro. According to a TT review, the T3 1016 is capable of finesse fishing. My new one is set up with 12# Siege, and I think the seller said the used one I bought had 12# AbrazX, so none are set up to even try finesse AFAIC.
Jeff H reply :
Well, they can say what they want. I don't think it's easy for any revolving spool reel to chuck lures that light any great distance. I seldom feel the need to go more than the 40-45 ft I can get. Truth is, in my finesse presentations I'm seldom going that light in actual weight. This whole light lure with casting gear thing is still new to me, I have part of one season under my belt so far so I don't really know what I'm talking about either. I do know this....I CAN throw 1/8 oz (sorta) stuff with a bunch of different reels with 6 lb line, but I guess I can't throw it as far as others claim or expect to. Maybe my expectations are more in line with reality or maybe I'm underachieving?? Don't really care I guess.
Tossing above mentioned Sliders/4" worm combo.....
I have a 2013 model Cabela's Tournament ZX (Rapala Shift ) that will give me 40' +/- spooled with 6lb line and mounted on a custom Avid 5'6" pistol grip M/F
My Alphas F will give me 45' +/- with 6 lb line mounted on an Avid 6'2" M/XF.
I have a small collection of TD-Z's too but not throwing super light stuff with them. Downsized, yes. Maybe 1/4 oz 5/16 oz in some cases but probably usually under 3/8 oz.
I seldom go much lighter than 1/16 oz heads with salted Stubby tubes (they kinda heavy w/salt IMO) I mean, I'm not fishing panfish with this stuff so I'm just using some smaller baits, not micro stuff. I have not tried weightless lures yet. I do like to fish 4" Fin S Fish weightless but have no idea what they weigh with a 3/0 EWG hook in them. I'll be trying those this spring and I expect casting them to be difficult.
cyclops2 reply :
What is the logic behind the light lures ?
I catch a 40" pike on the 1/16 oz Flickers & big smallies & LM also while casting for perch. There is a connection. I just can not prove one.
aavery2 reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 10:14 AM, Jeff H said:Well, they can say what they want. I don't think it's easy for any revolving spool reel to chuck lures that light any great distance. I seldom feel the need to go more than the 40-45 ft I can get. Truth is, in my finesse presentations I'm seldom going that light in actual weight. This whole light lure with casting gear thing is still new to me, I have part of one season under my belt so far so I don't really know what I'm talking about either. I do know this....I CAN throw 1/8 oz (sorta) stuff with a bunch of different reels with 6 lb line, but I guess I can't throw it as far as others claim or expect to. Maybe my expectations are more in line with reality or maybe I'm underachieving?? Don't really care I guess.
Tossing above mentioned Sliders/4" worm combo.....
I have a 2013 model Cabela's Tournament ZXv (Rapala Shift ) that will give me 40' +/- spooled with 6lb line and mounted on a custom Avid 5'6" pistol grip M/F
My Alphas F will give me 45' +/- with 6 lb line mounted on an Avid 6'2" M/XF.
I have a small collection of TD-Z's too but not throwing super light stuff with them. Downsized, yes. Maybe 1/4 oz 5/16 oz in some cases but probably usually under 3/8 oz.
I seldom go much lighter than 1/16 oz heads with salted Stubby tubes (they kinda heavy w/salt IMO) I mean, I'm not fishing panfish with this stuff so I'm just using some smaller baits, not micro stuff. I have not tried weightless lures yet. I do like to fish 4" Fin S Fish weightless but have no idea what they weigh with a 3/0 EWG hook in them. I'll be trying those this spring and I expect casting them to be difficult.
Jeff, it is really pretty easy, put an 1/8th oz bare jig head on which every setup you think casts the best and attempt a cast. Let us know what kind of distance you get. I am not trying to be rude, I am really interested, I have been trying for a while to put together a setup in my price range that will cast 1/8oz baits, not sorta, kinda, maybe 1/8oz baits.
Jeff H reply :
What do you have to get for distance to consider your efforts a success? What have you experienced with your past efforts?
aavery2 reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 11:36 AM, Jeff H said:What do you have to get for distance to consider your efforts a success? What have you experienced with your past efforts?
I think my expectations would be met if I could consistently cast a 1/8th oz bait 15 to 20 yards. Is that to high of an expectation? Most of the reels I have made serious effort with this have either not been very consistent or just were not capable of any usable distance.
I am thinking of taking Bootytrain's advice on the ABU LT(X) and give it a go, seems like a reasonable priced reel and would still fit my budget with some micro bearings installed.
Jeff H reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 12:06 PM, aavery2 said:I think my expectations would be met if I could consistently cast a 1/8th oz bait 15 to 20 yards. Is that to high of an expectation? Most of the reels I have made serious effort with this have either not been very consistent or just were not capable of any usable distance.
I am thinking of taking Bootytrain's advice on the ABU LT(X) and give it a go, seems like a reasonable priced reel and would still fit my budget with some micro bearings installed.
Naw, not too high. That ABU LT is gonna get you there! Nice shallow spool on that reel! I might even get me one of those sometime.
bootytrain reply :
Just as any other lure, its the shape and density of the 1/8th lure that's going to determine its ultimate distance.
aavery2 reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 12:38 PM, bootytrain said:Just as any other lure, its the shape and density of the 1/8th lure that's going to determine its ultimate distance.
That is why I have been using the bare jig head in testing different setups, seems like it would be about as aerodynamic as anything else.
masterbass reply :
It's not the most scientific experiment, but I just took 3 reel outside and tried each on my cr721 which is rated down to 3/16. I took a 1/8 jighead, but cut the hook off so I could cast in the yard without getting snagged. I weighed it and it was exactly 3 grams which is barely under 1/8oz. The 3 reels: pxl-r, curado 51e and scorpion xt w/avail spool. All 3 reels have abec7's. The pxl-r had 10lb power pro and it casted and pitched nicely. The curado 51e had 20lb power pro and it was more challenging and not really ideal for me. The xt w/avail had 15lb power pro and it casted/pitched nicely.
I have used my 51e with a 1/8 plus 3" grub (whatever this weighs) in the past and it worked ok.
cyclops2 reply :
booty has it right.
Cast a lead BB. Then try my Flicker Spinner. After that comparison ? All reels are crap at any price. Even if Sooper Dupper upped by the best reel person.
thehooligan reply :
On 1/18/2015 at 11:18 PM, Bdjr1 said:Looking to say around $200 or less
To go back to the original question, heres my recommendations for a $200 budget.
For a new reel, completely agree with booty, revo lt. Will cover all finesse fishing in the $170-180 range.
Used options, find a rashed up curado 50/51e, drop in an avail spool. Should be able to do that for around $200 and will work great.
Other option would be rashed up daiwa sol and drop in the megabass finesse spool. You can also do this around $200 if you shop around. Last sol i picked up for $65 bucks.
carlm01 reply :
Can't go wrong with any of the LEWS they have quite a few in the 200.00 or below range I have 3 of them and they are all great reels ......Good Luck
a1712 reply :
On 1/20/2015 at 6:03 AM, carlm01 said:Can't go wrong with any of the LEWS they have quite a few in the 200.00 or below range I have 3 of them and they are all great reels ......Good Luck
I have 10 Lew's Team Golds all tuned up and none of them is going to throw a 1/8oz. bait with any distance. Brian.
Bdjr1 reply :
What bearings would u recommend for chronarch 51e, link please
Jeff H reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 12:06 PM, aavery2 said:I think my expectations would be met if I could consistently cast a 1/8th oz bait 15 to 20 yards. Is that to high of an expectation? Most of the reels I have made serious effort with this have either not been very consistent or just were not capable of any usable distance.
I am thinking of taking Bootytrain's advice on the ABU LT(X) and give it a go, seems like a reasonable priced reel and would still fit my budget with some micro bearings installed.
Hey Tony....did you ever get the Revo LT? I just got a new LTX this week.
Anybody know where my buddy aavery2 went? I just noticed his name shows in black instead of green. Is that a dead acct?
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 3/18/2015 at 7:36 AM, Jeff H said:Hey Tony....did you ever get the Revo LT? I just got a new LTX this week.
Anybody know where my buddy aavery2 went? I just noticed his name shows in black instead of green. Is that a dead acct?
I think that means he was banned. Whether that's for a period of time or indefinitely I don't know. I wish he'd come back. I appreciated his input.
Jeff H reply :
Banned? Ah geez....why? Did I miss something?
Catt reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 5:54 AM, John G said:But how far can u cast that weight with your heavy spool CT100 and your Crucial? I am getting a little over 20 yards casting an unweighted Trick Worm with a Shimano Scorpion XT-1000 w/a Yumeya BFS spool, a Loomis MBR782 and 10# Power Pro.
IMHO, a full spool on a stock 50 Shimano is still too heavy for casting really light lures.
I promise ya more than 30 yds with a Trick Worm!
WRB reply :
The difference between 1/8 oz and 3/16 oz is 50%. If you are talking about total lure weight that includes weight, hook and soft plastic that weighs 1/8 oz, in total few 50 & 100 size bait casting reels with 6 lb line can perform good.
If you are only talking the 1/8 oz weight and add the hook and soft plastic ( total 1/4 oz) and use 8 to 10 lb line several size 50 & 100 bait casting reels can perform good.
Tom
John G reply :
I believe you! I thought that I was a big shot casting a Trick Worm 20+ yards with a 2 power Loomis, XT1000 w/shallow spool and 10# Power Pro until I found out yesterday that I can cast farther with a full spool Conquest 50 with 10# Big Game. In reality, an unweighted Trick Worm should be no problem for a experianced caster using a 50 size Shimano with the proper rod and line.On 3/18/2015 at 8:16 AM, Catt said:I promise ya more than 30 yds with a Trick Worm!
chelboed reply :
Been fishing for Trout all winter on a BPS micro lite casting rod with a crappie max might lite reel and 4# line. Got the reel at the catalog return for $30.
This combo costs half as much as a used old Liberto.
Sure, it's not as boutique as what y'all are used to, but it will toss down to 1/10oz further than I've needed from the bank. I've been casting 1/8oz Kastmaster spoons farther than people next to me on their ultra light spinning setups.
kingmotorboat reply :
I have a *** that can really throw a 1/8 oz tungsten bullet with a trick worm
rippin-lips reply :
A trick worm is 5.45 grams '3/16' without a hook. Add a hook and you are almost at 1/4oz. Add 1/8 weight and it's almost 3/8oz. A lot of 50 and 100 sized reels can throw a 1/4oz without any issue. Using the right rod helps too of course.
Alpha Male reply :
Im going to be trying this with a revo elite 8 on a 1970's 5'6" fenwick HMG 4 power rod. The fenwick power rating from the era is far different than the #power ratings now and that rod feels almost as light as my current model ML HMG spinning rod. looking forward to it.
kingmotorboat reply :
On 3/18/2015 at 12:41 PM, rippin-lips said:A trick worm is 5.45 grams '3/16' without a hook. Add a hook and you are almost at 1/4oz. Add 1/8 weight and it's almost 3/8oz. Ap lot of 50 and 100 sized reels can throw a 1/4oz without any issue. Using the right rod helps too of course.
I also throw a zoom 6 inch lizard weightless. Not easy but effective
rippin-lips reply :
The lizard is 6.5 grams without hook. Over 1/4oz with. A medium rod should cast it pretty good.
kingmotorboat reply :
That's what I have it though. I'm not opening poster. But rippin lips you just answered my biggest Question. Weight of a lizard haha
scaleface reply :
I have a 6.5 foot medium light Shimano Compre rated for 1/8th ounce lures. I have lost so many bass with this rod and a Shimano Curado with 10 lb test that I no longer use the rod.
Catt reply :
FYI: reels do not cast lures...rods do
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 1/20/2015 at 6:24 AM, Bdjr1 said:What bearings would u recommend for chronarch 51e, link please
Stock, flushed and oiled with 1 drop RemOil. Have the reel Super Tuned next and see if you still need more. If yes, a pair of Boca ABEC5 Ceramic Hybrids are as fast as any reel can use @ $9.95ea. I have them or you can order direct.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 3/19/2015 at 7:35 PM, Catt said:FYI: reels do not cast lures...rods do
X2 Without the right rod, all these other points are moot. The sweet spot usually lies near the middle of the labeled lure weight range. To cast an actual 1/8 oz or weight the rod should be rated for something like 1/16-1/4. If you're putting a trailer on an 1/8oz jig you're casting near or over 1/4oz. and can probably look a power higher.
new2BC4bass reply :
All I know is that I have several combos that can handle a #5 Shad Rap (3/16 oz.) just fine. However the bozo doing the tossing can't do a true 1/8 oz. worth a darn. Finally broke down and bought a true finesse reel over the winter. Hoping this bozo can now do 1/8 oz. with ease....relatively speaking. 
rippin-lips reply :
I've casted a bare 3.5g jig head. It's really tough to do. Distance and accuracy were not there. Honestly I'd never use a bait that light so it doesn't matter but I wanted to try it.
fishangdood reply :
On 3/19/2015 at 10:43 PM, rippin-lips said:I've casted a bare 3.5g jig head. It's really tough to do. Distance and accuracy were not there. Honestly I'd never use a bait that light so it doesn't matter but I wanted to try it.
If you really want to cast 1/8th 30+ ft without feathering the spool, first off at least a medium light or even a medium (roll casted) in moderate action rod is necessary for accuracy. Reel, light line, preferrably 6 lb or less. Spool, ideally shallow and spool bearings are recommended to be flushed and lightly oiled. Braking systems- magnet based is smoothest, but dual braking will have more stopping force added on the first half of the cast as well.
rippin-lips reply :
On 3/20/2015 at 2:37 AM, fishangdood said:If you really want to cast 1/8th 30+ ft without feathering the spool, first off at least a medium light or even a medium (roll casted) in moderate action rod is necessary for accuracy. Reel, light line, preferrably 6 lb or less. Spool, ideally shallow and spool bearings are recommended to be flushed and lightly oiled. Braking systems- magnet based is smoothest, but dual braking will have more stopping force added on the first half of the cast as well.
I was using a PX68 which is a finesse reel with a shallow spool. #15 braid and abec 7 spool bearings. Mounted on a medium light 7'2 rod. It handles it but more practice would obviously help. I spent maybe 10 minutes fooling around. As I stated I'll never have a need to go that light.
fishballer06 reply :
Check out the Shimano Brenious. You'll have to order it straight from Japan, but its designed specifically for lightweight baits.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 3/20/2015 at 2:45 AM, rippin-lips said:I was using a PX68 which is a finesse reel with a shallow spool. #15 braid and abec 7 spool bearings. Mounted on a medium light 7'2 rod. It handles it but more practice would obviously help. I spent maybe 10 minutes fooling around. As I stated I'll never have a need to go that light.
I honestly doubt I would go down to 1/8 oz. for bass fishing. For me it is more an attempt to use a baitcast reel for such fish as crappies, perch and even bluegills rather than one of my spinning rods. Also since so many people feel it is easy to cast 1/8 oz. and below on a baitcast reel, I feel it is something I should also be capable of doing. However, I hope my PXL Type R can handle 1/8 oz. (with me doing the casting) or I will be getting a major inferiority complex. 
Jeff H reply :
The reel, spooled with 6 or 8 lb line can handle it, the rod will play an important role. This is why I had one built for my Presso. Get you a good rod and forget about inferiority complex!
oldschoolbasser reply :
My 15-2500C's works pretty well for light baits and worms.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 3/20/2015 at 7:47 AM, Jeff H said:The reel, spooled with 6 or 8 lb line can handle it, the rod will play an important role. This is why I had one built for my Presso. Get you a good rod and forget about inferiority complex!
Let's hope my Falcon Expert Light rated 1/16-3/8 oz. can make me look good.
How do you like that Presso? Were 2 for sale not long ago. Took awhile to get sold. I put a Presso spool in one of my Sols. Haven't done much testing with it yet.
Jeff H reply :
I actually have not used the Presso yet. I will have more answers come May.
DogBone_384 reply :
Good to hear. I have an A & E but haven't tried either on my ML casting rods. When it thaws out up here I'll give them a try.On 1/19/2015 at 6:19 AM, Jaheff said:Two actual reels that I do own that throw light weight better than a 50E supertuned, with no spool upgrade is... under 200 is ***, and over 200 is Helios Air.
That's all throwing a 4" yum dinger wacky rigged weightless and a 18 ounce plus 2" grub on the same rod, line, etc...
Thanks for the info.
chelboed reply :
The shallow spool of the PXr is a huge benefit. The weight of the spool will keep it going when the wind slows your lure down. A light (shallow) spool will be less affected by momentum.
A good magnetic brake will probably work better than centrifugal.
-Lighter lures will slow down faster.
-Good magnetic brakes will slow the spool down quicker so the slowing lure won't cause over run.
-The lighter shallow spool will require less magnet to manage it.
-Light line is very helpful too.
fishangdood reply :
On 3/20/2015 at 8:56 AM, oldschoolbasser said:My 15-2500C's works pretty well for light baits and worms.
Oldschoolbasser, have you messed around with the avail 1520 spools? Is the 4 point brake block on a 1500 with a 1520 spool better at casting 1/8 or less than the 2500 on a 2520 spool with the mag assembly and no brake blocks? I'm assuming there's not enough width on a 1500 spool to accomodate the magnet assembly seen in the 2500 series of the avail shallow spools.
oldschoolbasser reply :
I have both the 1540,and 2540 spools on my 15-2500C's, and they work just fine. I haven't tried the magnetic brakes yet,but I want to give them a try. The 1520,and 2520 are a little too shallow, and don't have the depth to hold much line,even with 5lb floro. I've been using them for plastics, and darter heads since the late 70's, and they've never let me down. Out here in the West,1500-2500C's on a Phenix Dooldlin' rod was the hot set up, especially for vertical fishing. Fact is I still have 2 of those setups with me whenever I go fishing is a testament to their fish catching qualities.
fishangdood reply :
Oldschool, I'm still new to the Abu world of 15-2500 class reels and I know you've got some nice gear too, but so far these are mine from this class. These are the 2500 c triplets. Left is a ct ( blakdogtackle dumbell) conversion, stock spool/brake assembly, bigger blocks, and 4.7. I plan on pairing it with an 8'6" medium light to medium just for giggles. I'd love the chance to cast a weightless fluke 40 yards when it gets warmer. Middle is a 4.7, avail idler/worm housing/4 brake/big blocks/stock spool. This will be paired with a medium 6'6" moderate fast; crank and frogging. Last one is an avail 6.0/idler/worm housing/4 brake/big blocks/2520 spool/mag assembly. I kid you not, with no tension on the mechanical knob, you can whip 1/8 on a 7' UL rod 40+ ft and then hear the mag slowing down everything to a pause when eventually the bait just stops at its tracks and drops straight down. The only way you can backlash is if you slap the water in front of you!
Btw, you're right about the 5.3 pinion, it's a no go with purefishing. They did have the main gear though.
On 3/20/2015 at 10:59 AM, oldschoolbasser said:I have both the 1540,and 2540 spools on my 15-2500C's, and they work just fine. I haven't tried the magnetic brakes yet,but I want to give them a try. The 1520,and 2520 are a little too shallow, and don't have the depth to hold much line,even with 5lb floro. I've been using them for plastics, and darter heads since the late 70's, and they've never let me down. Out here in the West,1500-2500C's on a Phenix Dooldlin' rod was the hot set up, especially for vertical fishing. Fact is I still have 2 of those setups with me whenever I go fishing is a testament to their fish catching qualities.
oldschoolbasser reply :
Nice set! I see you took off the star wheel so you can use a swept handle. If you use a Hawgtech, or Avail swept handle,you can still use the star wheel. Never tried the 4 brake blocks as I rarely use that much braking on my but I really want to try the Avail magnetic brakes. My next Custom 2500C is going to have pink side plates,and a chrome frame. I'll probably put all the bearing,and gearing upgrades, plus magnetic braking on that reel. Since Custom side plates are going to be available soon,I'll be concentrating on the little guys more than my 45-4600's. Keep up the good work fishangdood,and check out our FB group. We Who Loves the Abu Ambassadeurs. 6:1 Green 2500CI with swept star drag wheel,and handle. Custom 150C (Japan budget model) with 5.3:1 gears,ceramic bearings,and Avail spool. Lots of fun!
fishangdood reply :
Oldschoolbasser, 
That's boss. Those plates- daaayum!
I've 100% quit facebook for a while now, mostly to avoid my past. I guess now it's time to make an exception and bust open a new account. Those plates got me thinking.
I do have a hawgtech on the right reel, but only went that route since the drag settings are much more sensitive on that gear set. After seeing that swept star, I plan on buying one for the middle one. I normally use the starless knobs exclusively for the ct conversions.
oldschoolbasser reply :
If your reels don't have instant anti-reverse, the swept star drag wheels won't work. BTW,I have 4 more different color reels. Burgundy, Blue,Red,and Gold.
fishangdood reply :
On 3/21/2015 at 5:19 AM, oldschoolbasser said:If your reels don't have instant anti-reverse, the swept star drag wheels won't work. BTW,I have 4 more different color reels. Burgundy, Blue,Red,and Gold.
Plates are in the planning book. Yup, I'm partial to the classic red, original c4 blue, and the c5 mag green colors.
The boss rides higher on the iar models, the brake plate shaft post also rides longer, along with the longer drive shaft it requires. My middle one actually has the longer shaft for the iar plate, but it has the non iar brake plate. I had to drill tap a 3mm or so thread into the post to secure it with a washer and recessed screw. The D series drag knob I put on the middle one actually exposes the longer shaft just a wee bit when loosened all the way because of the shorter boss. It may sound crazy, but I might order an IAR gearside plate and then remove the iar just to have the longer boss; I just can't go back to the two pin ratchet of the original drive shaft.
The only one of mine with the IAR and matching components is the far right one. The left and middle were pretty much the spawns from my IAR build. Haha. Funny thing though, is that without the iar dog, it's pretty fun; kind of like a knuckle buster. I think I might remove the anti-reverse dog on the ct converted one; full manual control.
oldschoolbasser reply :
The Green, Red,and Blue plates will only fit the IAR models. As for finding a IAR brake plate,good luck,I've only been able to find used ones! You've got a lot of work in those reels. The BM's are a good base reel to upgrade,and the spool widths are comparable to the 15-2500C's. The C4 is another great reel to upgrade,and will give you a larger size reel for applications like cranks,and blades.
0119 reply :
Gee maybe I should stop fishing my 1500/2500's. They may be worth some serious trading fodder soon!
fishangdood reply :
On 3/21/2015 at 12:04 PM, oldschoolbasser said:The Green, Red,and Blue plates will only fit the IAR models. As for finding a IAR brake plate,good luck,I've only been able to find used ones! You've got a lot of work in those reels. The BM's are a good base reel to upgrade,and the spool widths are comparable to the 15-2500C's. The C4 is another great reel to upgrade,and will give you a larger size reel for applications like cranks,and blades.
Brake plates, yeah, I know for sure the gold ones are impossible new. I got lucky on the IAR plate, standard black, last January or maybe it was December, but that was from Purefising. Btw, the C4, is just another bag of addiction I've recently jumped head first into this past winter. Dadsoletackle can confirm, haha.
fishangdood reply :
On 3/21/2015 at 8:05 PM, 119 said:Gee maybe I should stop fishing my 1500/2500's. They may be worth some serious trading fodder soon!
I'm close to pulling the trigger on my gen3 stx-hs: carbent handle, premier spool, ivcb-vi brake system swap (including palm plate slide cam), and changed the knobs, thumb bar, and front cover plate to match the silver body. It's pretty much the Revo Elite 8, same specs: 8:1, ivcb-vi. The only difference is that the Elite has a shallower spool and the drag stack has the clicker like the revo inshore or the oldschool ambassadeurs.
I might post this onto the flea market forum for a 1600 or 1500 trade.
oldschoolbasser reply :
Looks good,great job! I have a black IAR brake plate too,just waiting to see if Simon is going to do Custom IAR sideplates, if so,I might do a CDL version. Me and Eddie at Dad's Ole Tackle are best buds! I get parts from him all the time. These reels are a lot of fun to fish with and upgrade. I'm working on a 2500C that a friend of mine sent me. It was in pretty bad shape,and it looked like the previous owner used silicone on some of the parts! There was grease everywhere, and all the parts were stuck together. Good thing I had a spare frame, and spool because the foot was broken off,and the side plates were trashed. This will definitely be a reel I will fish with,and not for my collection. I've also started upgrading my 80's Ambassadeurs, worm gear, cog wheels,sideplates,and handles. Also a Custom 4600D with a lightweight chrome frame. Just waiting for the spools im getting from Avail which are being specially built by the owner of the company. The 80's style reels have been overlooked by so many people,but are some of the best fishing reel around.
oldschoolbasser reply :
New Alpha 105SH on a Jackall Bros Light Plugging Rod. Great for Flick Shaking,shakey heads, or other Finese worm applications
fishangdood reply :
On 3/22/2015 at 3:57 AM, oldschoolbasser said:New Alpha 105SH on a Jackall Bros Light Plugging Rod. Great for Flick Shaking,shakey heads, or other Finese worm applications
I'm diehard Abu but this Alphas is probably one the best straight out of the box deals. I know I saw it mentioned on this site with somebody scoring it for just under 200. I could imagine if Abu packaged the SX with a shallow spool, it'd be right around the the same class.
oldschoolbasser reply :
Get a shallow spool from Avail! BTW,j just found 2 sets of 5.3:1 gears,and chrome frames for a 15 and 2500C! Better play Lotto,it's my lucky day!
fishangdood reply :
I 've never ordered from Purefishing Japan, have you or do you know if they still carry the 5.3 and pinion. I got the main gear from the US, but not the pinion.
I've gotta start looking overseas for more factory parts.
oldschoolbasser reply :
I have 2 sets (pinion and drive gear) coming from from Sweden.
oldschoolbasser reply :
Just upgrade the standard 1 pin drive shaft and 4.7:1 gears with a 4pin drive shaft and 5.3:1 gears. This reel is the finished project reel that started off as a junked 2500C that was so bad I had to replace most of the parts on it. I also upgraded the bearings and drag washer, now it looks and works like it should.
Bassaholic84 reply :
Revo STX....i can cast 1/8 oz baita with ease. But casting lures this light with baitcaster you need to know how to properly use a baitcaster and thumb the line. Loosening the spool tension and brakes will help cast light lures
fishangdood reply :
On 3/23/2015 at 11:12 AM, oldschoolbasser said:Just upgrade the standard 1 pin drive shaft and 4.7:1 gears with a 4pin drive shaft and 5.3:1 gears. This reel is the finished project reel that started off as a junked 2500C that was so bad I had to replace most of the parts on it. I also upgraded the bearings and drag washer, now it looks and works like it should.
Aha, that's an old school lew childre handle, huh? My first 2500c was like that too.
desmobob reply :
I picked up a new Daiwa PX-R this winter. With the right rod, I'm hoping to be able to cast a size 22 Trico on a 7x tippet.
Tight lines,
Bob
oldschoolbasser reply :
Back in the day,this was the best upgrade for Ambassadeur reels. Inexpensive, easy to get,and worked great. I still have 4 handles on my reel.On 3/24/2015 at 6:33 AM, fishangdood said:Aha, that's an old school lew childre handle, huh? My first 2500c was like that too.
0119 reply :
I always thought they were the worst shaped most uncomfortable grips! To thin and the handle so short..... I still want to find a way to fit Revo eva style knobs on to the classic dimpled chromed brass handles, just cant find a source for posts.
oldschoolbasser reply :
Too short? The Lew's BB1N handle was the 1st 100mm handle to come out! The Abu handle was only 90mm! Have you tried taking a knob off to see if the Revo knob fits? Don't forget the Revo knobs are bearing supported so most likely they won't fit on the post unless you put bearings in the knobs
0119 reply :
I have 2 original made by Shimano Lew's and they have incredibly short handles. Yeah you can't use the original posts from the old style handles. You have to do like UT Reels does and remount a screwed in post.
oldschoolbasser reply :
The BB1,and the BB1N had different csize handles with the BB1 the shorter of the 2. Why don't you just get a straight carbon fiber handle and put the knobs on it?
0119 reply :
I dislike the modern look of carbon especially when compared to the chrome brass with the dimpled face. The Eva serves a useful purpose. I'm going to try the scalp the post out of the handle set Mike's Reel Repair makes.
fishangdood reply :
On 3/25/2015 at 1:35 AM, 119 said:I dislike the modern look of carbon especially when compared to the chrome brass with the dimpled face. The Eva serves a useful purpose. I'm going to try the scalp the post out of the handle set Mike's Reel Repair makes.
Where there's a will, there's a way. Where there's a will, dremel, and a twelve pack, there's a better way.
oldschoolbasser reply :
Why don't you ask Mike to make one for you? Can't hurt to ask.
fishangdood reply :
On 3/24/2015 at 6:56 PM, 119 said:I always thought they were the worst shaped most uncomfortable grips! To thin and the handle so short..... I still want to find a way to fit Revo eva style knobs on to the classic dimpled chromed brass handles, just cant find a source for posts.
The bblxm is about as short as I've seen them from nut to handle post. 2500c has an 80mm, post to post, for scale.
Amain.com or maybe even rcbearings.com may carry bushings to you specifications for a custom revo eva knob fit. Posts- I've toyed with the idea of using aluminum rivets and then chop/grind/dril tap. Regardless, customizing is always great. I've also just finished a simple-to-remove mag assembly for the 2500c brake plate. All you need is a nylon washer with almost the exact outer diameter of the bearing housing, cut it into a c-washer, and then hot glue the earth mags.
0119 reply :
On 3/25/2015 at 3:47 AM, oldschoolbasser said:Why don't you ask Mike to make one for you? Can't hurt to ask.
Good idea....
oldschoolbasser reply :
Yeah, I get those every now and then 
Lews BB1N handle on the left,Abu 100mm on the right. You guys still think its too short?
0119 reply :
Both of Mine are shorter. I don't mind shorter, I prefer Abu's counter balanced handles best for their 'snubbiness' I just want replaceable big beefy knobs like the Revo's. IT's always seem to be his trade mark blue!
fishangdood reply :
On 3/25/2015 at 6:31 AM, 119 said:Both of Mine are shorter. I don't mind shorter, I prefer Abu's counter balanced handles best for their 'snubbiness' I just want replaceable big beefy knobs like the Revo's. IT's always seem to be his trade mark blue!
I know you said that you aren't partial to the carbon fiber on the ambassadeurs, but did you see the carbon fiber counterbalance handles? That's oldschool with newschool flare. I'd love to sprinkle some of that on my abus, heck, even on a cranker low pro.
oldschoolbasser reply :
Check out Simon's big knob handles. Knobs are 2x the size of normal knobs. And they come with different color knobs!
oldschoolbasser reply :
Just updating the frames to better match the side plates.
Bdjr1 reply :
What size handle would u Go with for Scorpion 1001XT?
John G reply :
On 4/13/2015 at 7:02 AM, Bdjr1 said:What size handle would u Go with for Scorpion 1001XT?
Both of mine are going to be sporting 85mm ZPI Handles with Power Grip II knobs. One of them is already set up that way I'll post a pic of it when I get home from work .
85mm ZPI Handle and a Core 100 Star Drag
stkbassn reply :
I heard the Pflueger Supreme XT was a great reel for throwing light baits. I saw them on Ebay for $119 shipped.
fishangdood reply :
On 4/13/2015 at 7:07 AM, John G said:Both of mine are going to be sporting 85mm ZPI Handles with Power Grip II knobs. One of them is already set up that way I'll post a pic of it when I get home from work .
85mm ZPI Handle and a Core 100 Star Drag
That is sexaaay!
John G reply :
Thank you! I have it mounted on a Loomis CR721IMX with a Yumeya shallow spool. It is a very fun combo to fish with.On 4/14/2015 at 3:24 AM, fishangdood said:That is sexaaay!
Bdjr1 reply :
Ordered a HawgTech 90mm, Blk/Silver w/Septon Knobs
JeziHogg reply :
Shimano Brenious for under $200, That is all.
stk reply :
Little bit older, but my Shimano Scorpion 1001 4x4 SVS can cast some pretty light lures. In fact there is one in the flea market right now (1000 for righty).
Boogey Man reply :
I got a Pinnacle Primmus last fall. I was fishing at a small pond a few weeks ago, the bass weren't cooperating and I didn't have a spinning combo so i tried a Strike King Mini King spinnerbait with the Primmus. It had 12lb mono and was on a 6'6" Abu Garcia rod. Figured what the heck, lol. I was very impressed with the distance I was getting. So, thought how low can I go, so I tried a 1/8th ounce in line spinner. Impressed again. I'm sure with a different rod and lighter line, the Primmus would make pretty good finesse baitcaster that can be had for a pretty deep discount on some sites.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 4/14/2015 at 5:41 AM, Boogey Man said:I got a Pinnacle Primmus last fall. I was fishing at a small pond a few weeks ago, the bass weren't cooperating and I didn't have a spinning combo so i tried a Strike King Mini King spinnerbait with the Primmus. It had 12lb mono and was on a 6'6" Abu Garcia rod. Figured what the heck, lol. I was very impressed with the distance I was getting. So, thought how low can I go, so I tried a 1/8th ounce in line spinner. Impressed again. I'm sure with a different rod and lighter line, the Primmus would make pretty good finesse baitcaster that can be had for a pretty deep discount on some sites.
Whoa! Got a Primmus over the winter. No plans to try light stuff with it, tho, as I already have more than enough light set ups. How about starting a thread with a little review of this reel? I'd like to hear more about it. Thanks.
FishTank reply :
I have been using a Core 101MG and a Chronarch 51e for light weight stuff. But the 1/8oz stuff, the right rod also needs to be involved. I have tried it and it was to light for my needs but St. Croix has one in the Avid series that is a ML x-fast that will cast light lures with easy. It did not feel balanced with any reel I tried on it, IMHO. I almost purchased it but instead went with spinning gear (pflueger supreme and a 7'3" Elite Tech ML) for the application I wanted to use it for.
John G reply :
On 1/19/2015 at 6:37 AM, bootytrain said:Theres a difference between casting 1/8th oz and casting 1/8th oz for distance and accuracy. I was able to cast a 1/8th drop shot weight with my Aldebaran BFS on a 6'9 Volkey UL about 110 ft. Now throw on a 1/8 oz rapala ultra light minnow Id be lucky to get 60-70 ft due to the aerodynamics and density. That being said, the Revo LT is gonna eat all others in the 200 or less range and even some more expensive BFS reels. Its basically an aluminum framed LTX/LTZ. Same superlight shallow spool that weights 8.2 grams. Order from Japan today, you should get it by next weekend. $176 plus shipping, should put you right at $200.
So where is the Revo LT made? I haven't found any righties for the price you quoted (did not check Rakuten) but found them for around $200.00. It's a great looking reel. Is it comparable in size to a 50 size Shimano or bigger?
I have been casting the 1/8oz Rapala Husky Jerk with a Conquest 50 with an Avail Spool/Loomis CR721 and I have been very pleased with the distance that I was getting. At least 60ft. With the right rod, I know that it will do even better.
For a Shimano 50, Curado, Scorpion, Core etc, I think that you will have problems throwing the little Husky Jerk with the factory spool. Having the proper rod would help but the heavier spool would work against you.
MCS reply :
On 6/8/2015 at 5:47 PM, John G said:So where is the Revo LT made? I haven't found any righties for the price you quoted (did not check Rakuten) but found them for around $200.00. It's a great looking reel. Is it comparable in size to a 50 size Shimano or bigger?
I have been casting the 1/8oz Rapala Husky Jerk with a Conquest 50 with an Avail Spool/Loomis CR721 and I have been very pleased with the distance that I was getting. At least 60ft. With the right rod, I know that it will do even better.
For a Shimano 50, Curado, Scorpion, Core etc, I think that you will have problems throwing the little Husky Jerk with the factory spool. Having the proper rod would help but the heavier spool would work against you.
Try japan angler
John G reply :
They have lefties in stock but no righties.On 6/8/2015 at 6:34 PM, MCS said:Try japan angler
I just saw that Digitaka says "A few quantity ask in advance".
Are the Revos a quality reel?
thehooligan reply :
On 6/8/2015 at 6:38 PM, John G said:They have lefties in stock but no righties.
I just saw that Digitaka says "A few quantity ask in advance".
Are the Revos a quality reel?
Im not an abu fan, but for the money the abu LT is just about the best deal out there for a factory bfs reel...
John G reply :
On 6/8/2015 at 8:10 PM, thehooligan said:Im not an abu fan, but for the money the abu LT is just about the best deal out there for a factory bfs reel...
I am always wanting something. It never ends! LOL
I also have a Brenious on my mind and I would need to investigate this reel a little more as it would be the first non Shimano baitcaster that I have ever bought.
thehooligan reply :
On 6/8/2015 at 8:26 PM, John G said:I am always wanting something. It never ends! LOL
I also have a Brenious on my mind and I would need to investigate this reel a little more as it would be the first non Shimano baitcaster that I have ever bought.
I hear ya John, im a shimano nut but im playing around with megabass/daiwa just to switch it up.
I love the 50 series shimano platform so much that i find myself comparing every new reel i pick up and always seem to be let down, lol.
masterbass reply :
Pick up an avail microcast spool and your choice of shimano 50 reels.
John G reply :
On 6/8/2015 at 8:31 PM, thehooligan said:I hear ya John, im a shimano nut but im playing around with megabass/daiwa just to switch it up.
I love the 50 series shimano platform so much that i find myself comparing every new reel i pick up and always seem to be let down, lol.
I have always thought that if I ever did buy a reel besides a Shimano, it would be a Daiwa and the new Alphas is very sweet and affordable.
John G reply :
On 6/8/2015 at 8:57 PM, masterbass said:Pick up an avail microcast spool and your choice of shimano 50 reels.
I have 2 Yumeya spools and 1 Avail spool now.
bootytrain reply :
On 6/8/2015 at 5:47 PM, John G said:So where is the Revo LT made? I haven't found any righties for the price you quoted (did not check Rakuten) but found them for around $200.00. It's a great looking reel. Is it comparable in size to a 50 size Shimano or bigger?
I have been casting the 1/8oz Rapala Husky Jerk with a Conquest 50 with an Avail Spool/Loomis CR721 and I have been very pleased with the distance that I was getting. At least 60ft. With the right rod, I know that it will do even better.
For a Shimano 50, Curado, Scorpion, Core etc, I think that you will have problems throwing the little Husky Jerk with the factory spool. Having the proper rod would help but the heavier spool would work against you.
JP Angler has righties.. looks like at the moment they are $164 http://jpangler.com/index.php/reel/abu/revo-lt.html Im sure these are made in Korea with the other Revos.
John G reply :
On 6/8/2015 at 10:14 PM, bootytrain said:JP Angler has righties.. looks like at the moment they are $164 http://jpangler.com/index.php/reel/abu/revo-lt.html Im sure these are made in Korea with the other Revos.
Unless I am reading it wrong, they are out of righties.
bootytrain reply :
On 6/8/2015 at 10:16 PM, John G said:Unless I am reading it wrong, they are out of righties.
I think you are right bro, are you a lefty?
John G reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 12:56 AM, bootytrain said:I think you are right bro, are you a lefty?
Righty
That is no problem because other people have it. Thanks
J Francho reply :
Upside down spinning reel!
OroBass reply :
Im surprised no one mentioned the abu 1500 or 2500. There are guys that bring new meaning to supertune. Not all super tuning is the same. You can go on YouTube and watch an antique abu free spool for literally over 3 minutes! I have a highly upgraded 4600c that has 8 bearings.
Jeff H reply :
On 6/8/2015 at 10:16 PM, John G said:Unless I am reading it wrong, they are out of righties.
I think you can get a right hand Alphas SV for $200 from Japan Lure Shop??
John G reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 6:21 AM, Jeff H said:I think you can get a right hand Alphas SV for $200 from Japan Lure Shop??
I have seen those and they are very tempting.
Ozark_Basser reply :
How well does the Alphas sv hold up to braid and heavier line? I know some spools on finesse baitcasters recommend you don't use braid or even fluoro on some.
Cgrinder reply :
Alphas SV is good with braid. 40 lb is probably the highest I would run for capacity's sake.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 7:23 AM, Ozark_Basser said:How well does the Alphas sv hold up to braid and heavier line? I know some spools on finesse baitcasters recommend you don't use braid or even fluoro on some.
Personally that doesn't make sense to me. What kind of line would you use? Fluoro, mono and co-polymer lines are so much alike I don't see what possible difference it would make between those 3 types of line. Please don't tell me it is because fluoro has a lot less stretch than the other 2 types because I call bull on that. Sure some have less stretch than others, but none come close to braid.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 8:45 AM, new2BC4bass said:Personally that doesn't make sense to me. What kind of line would you use? Fluoro, mono and co-polymer lines are so much alike I don't see what possible difference it would make between those 3 types of line. Please don't tell me it is because fluoro has a lot less stretch than the other 2 types because I call bull on that. Sure some have less stretch than others, but none come close to braid.
I'm not real sure why. I remember seeing a finesse baitcaster "showdown" on A. Sava's blog or website maybe. One of the spools on one of the reels was so light the manufacturer recommended only low # test mono. The way the spool was built to save weight apparently made it structurally unsound for anything else. I'll look it up. It's pretty in depth. The reels were very high end though. Nothing a non enthusiast would think about buying.
Ozark_Basser reply :
http://asavacustom.com/en/casting-with-daiwa-t3-air-shimano-aldebaran-bfs-xg-and-abu-revo-ltz-shootout/
Check the rest of the site if you want to some AWESOME custom rods as well. He does very nice work.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
j francho u have a message
new2BC4bass reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 8:58 AM, Ozark_Basser said:http://asavacustom.com/en/casting-with-daiwa-t3-air-shimano-aldebaran-bfs-xg-and-abu-revo-ltz-shootout/
Check the rest of the site if you want to some AWESOME custom rods as well. He does very nice work.
Thanks. An interesting read. However, it didn't say not to use fluorocarbon line. The T3Air did specify fluoro and mono had to be within a certain range or it could warp the spool. Also lure weight is limited for the same reason with that reel.
iceintheveins reply :
Chronarch 50E. As the others have said though, use a rod light enough to throw light baits though by checking it's ratings and how it loads.
fishangdood reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 5:23 AM, OroBass said:Im surprised no one mentioned the abu 1500 or 2500. There are guys that bring new meaning to supertune. Not all super tuning is the same. You can go on YouTube and watch an antique abu free spool for literally over 3 minutes! I have a highly upgraded 4600c that has 8 bearings.
Haha. I've recently joined the 2500c club this past winter thanks to ebay. I can honestly say that with only a shallow spool (avail 2520) and mag assembly (two set side by side), that it blows away any of my stock revo 3's; it doesn't even have the air bfs bearings in it either.
Anyways, question about your 4600c:
Without handle bearings is it levelwind x 2, idler gear x 2, spool x2, tension knob x1, and IAR?
I've done away with all my 4000 sizes except for one setup as mentioned prior without the tension knob; it's the separate spool axle design.
Ozark_Basser reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 9:31 PM, new2BC4bass said:Thanks. An interesting read. However, it didn't say not to use fluorocarbon line. The T3Air did specify fluoro and mono had to be within a certain range or it could warp the spool. Also lure weight is limited for the same reason with that reel.
I took a second glance through it, and I didn't see it. Lol. Must have imagined it. Its been a good while since I read it.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 6/9/2015 at 5:23 AM, OroBass said:Im surprised no one mentioned the abu 1500 or 2500. There are guys that bring new meaning to supertune. Not all super tuning is the same. You can go on YouTube and watch an antique abu free spool for literally over 3 minutes! I have a highly upgraded 4600c that has 8 bearings.
I have zero experience with either model. However, I have 3 of the Black Max 1600C and 2 Morrums of the same size. Each Black Max cost me just $3.33 more than my cheapest reel ($100 for all 3). Yet the one Black Max I have used will throw a small unweighted fluke straight into a pretty strong wind without backlashing if you don't try for the moon. (Or have a better thumb than I do.)
Silas reply :
After reading this thread I thought I needed another finesse type reel so I had my finger on the trigger dor the Revo LT Japan model for $180. Pretty good reviews and I should find out what Revos are like.
But-----I couldn't do it. Japan Anglers had the Scorpion for $149.12! Darn! Could not pass that up. I already have a tuned old model 1000 that is a fantastic caster. So I wanted this one before they become hard to find.
And, I have to try to keep up with my friend New2BC4bass, with fishing reels!LOL!
The Great Blue Heron reply :
The $150 Scorpion XT1000 is just too good to pass up.
OroBass reply :
yes ^^^ double abec 7 levelwind, double abec 9 spool bearings, double cog gear bearing with upgraded ported cog, and two bearing handle. lol and I just replaced the black handle bushing with a bearing!
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