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Did switching to flourocarbon get you more bites? 2024


fishing user avatarThe Maestro reply : 

Personally I run braid on all my rigs. I just prefer it from a line management perspective as well as sensitivity + it's just more fun to set hook and fight the fish with no stretch in the line.  I do sometimes wonder if I'm potentially spooking some fish with it though.  I mostly fish in pretty heavy weeds so I doubt it makes any difference there, but sometimes I'll fish more open/clear water situations.


fishing user avatarSam reply : 

No, but using different line-test levels did.

 

Different line-tests gives your moving and plastic baits different looks and depths.


fishing user avatarThe Maestro reply : 
  On 2/2/2019 at 5:01 AM, Sam said:

No, but using different line-test levels did.

 

Different line-tests gives your moving and plastic baits different looks and depths.

What type of line are you talking about? Braid is pretty limp until you get into really high strength.


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 

I haven't caught a single giant bass on FC line but broke a few:embarassed:.

Started using Sunline Shooter FC line in 1995 or 24 years ago and haven't noticed any difference in catch rates per man hour fished verses mono line. Strike detection is slightly better for bottom bumping lures like jigs and worms but random knot failures off sets any advantage in putting bass in the boat.

Tom


fishing user avatarSam reply : 

Hi Joe.

 

You asked if switching to fluorocarbon gets you more bites.

 

I have no idea. All I know is that by using different line test levels for different presentations and baits can produce more bites or at least put your bait in the strike zone.

 

Braid is limp and is a great line to use for so many applications. Many pros are switching to braid with and without a fluorocarbon leader. I use braid almost exclusively other than for my YoZuri, my fluorocarbon and my monofilament lines for specific baits, like frogs, crankbaits, buzzbaits, spinnerbaits, and plastics, etc. But I use braid for these baits, too.

 

Each line has its own properties and they all perform as advertised. It is up to you to decide how deep you want your bait to go; how fast it falls; will it withstand hitting and sliding across structure; is it limp or heavy; any backlash problems; any line spinning off your spinning reels as the test is too low (4 pound test for example); how it performs for specific applications (shaky head, drop shot, Carolina rig, Ned rig, etc.) and any other factors that impact how and where you fish.

 

I was brought up with the understanding you throw mono for treble hook baits; fluoro for all other baits; and braid on special occasions when fishing grass and pads. In today's world, you can use any line you wish as long as the test matches your rod's line-test parameters. I am going with braid most of the time now and have not seen any decline in hits.

 

To determine the most effective line test, take the low and high parameters as illustrated on your rod, add them together, and divide by 2. You will have an idea of the best performance of the line, reel and rod based on your average line test.

 

The fun part of bass fishing is experimenting with your tackle. So please hit the water with different lines and tests to find the line type and test levels you have the most confidence.

 

No go watch those Flyers tear up the conference and win it. Then again.........:ok-wink: 


fishing user avatarThe Maestro reply : 
  On 2/2/2019 at 5:19 AM, WRB said:

I haven't caught a single giant bass on FC line but broke a few:embarassed:.

Started using Sunline Shooter FC line in 1995 or 24 years ago and haven't noticed any difference in catch rates per man hour fished verses mono line. Strike detection is slightly better for bottom bumping lures like jigs and worms but random knot failures off sets any advantage in putting bass in the boat.

Tom

Thanks for the reply. I guess I should have specified switching from braid to flouro.  I'm guessing the difference in visibility from mono to flouro would be less than from braid to flouro.


fishing user avatarBassHawg2293 reply : 

I mostly use copolymer. I decided to do this after fishing with a guy in a tournament that caught literally 30 bass to my 1. 

We were both using the same bait on a shakey head. I was using pure monofilament and he was using a braid to flurocarbon leader. 

 

Yes I was on the back of the boat, but that doesn't explain the difference and since I started using both floro and copolymer as leader material, my bites have increased. 


fishing user avatarA-Jay reply : 

My introduction to braid occurred while I was still and mostly a saltwater angler.  Loved it for just about everything I did; Surf casting, inshore & offshore.

 When I retired and made the switch to exclusively sweet water (insert moved away from the coast) I went with what I knew - braid & a leader.  Just down sized as needed.   Work well.

 

 When Fluorocarbon hit the scene, I tried that - my experience was not good - no knot strength at all.

Went back to braid & leader for everything.

 

 Fast forward a few more years - while I had all but written it off, several anglers who I respect, (many of them BR members) were using fluorocarbon effectively and recording very good results.

 I gave it another try.  It had improved.  I had nearly none of the previous 'problems' I'd experienced in the past.   So, I added it's use where applicable, in all my fishing.

  That includes but is not limited to, most all moving baits (except topwater), as well as light cover bottom contact baits. 

 Presentations where I still use braid are anything in the slop, (frogs, pitching / flipping etc), all my spinning gear, and anything where I may need a super long distance hookset.

 

 Now to answer the OP question - Do I get More Bites ?  Although I've never actually fished the two side by side and tabulated the results, my personal impression is while I may or may not get more bites, per se.  I do believe that I put more fish in the net.  Braid is loud, I jumped off & pulled more hooks with braid, and where needed, I'm spending less (or no) time re-rigging leaders. 

 

 Finally, I never fished braid south of the border, ever - guides hated it. 

Always used 20 lb mono.

I was very leery about trying fluorocarbon there just because if I lost the fish of a life time - I'd be very hurt.  Took a flier this last trip - which as insanely great - I used 20 & 25 lb Tatsu - the entire trip.  Never had a problem. 

Not one.

So there's that.

:smiley:

A-Jay

PS - late edit.  Although I use 'quality products', which are advertised as 'durable' and for the most part, they are - I still end for end & change out my line right before "I think I need to".  So I'm rarely fishing - stressed line - and that goes for every type line I use.  Seems to help quite a bit.  If you prefer to fish your line for several seasons before changing it - stick with braid. 


fishing user avatarThe Maestro reply : 

I also recall reading about a study that was done to answer the question of whether or not bass can see line. They determined that bass have a hard time seeing anything that's less than the thickness of a nickel.


fishing user avatarFCPhil reply : 

Very little experience with Flourocarbon but when I have tried it I too have run into knot failure issues. I fish straight braid all the time, I like the comfort of knowing line failure is going to be a non issue. I fish a lot of reaction baits though.


fishing user avatarGlaucus reply : 

Nope. I used to be on the fluoro bandwagon to get any advantage I could. Didn't notice a difference and the line breaking sucked. And of course the idea that the line will scare the fish away but your shiny hook and weights and wires and all sorts of pieces to a lure won't is laughable. Total marketing gimmick. Line diameter matters more. 


fishing user avatarMN Fisher reply : 

On my BCs I use nothing but braid.

 

On my spinners it depends on the application. Deep running lures I use FC, but everything else I use Mono.


As others have said, it's the diameter of the line that's the issue, not what type. Since braid is thinner per pound test, I use it for the heavier lines (20# and 50#) My FC is 12# (Trion), my mono is 8# (Avocet-finesse) and 4# (640-UL rig). Just for a change of pace, I'm putting 12# Fireline on my Cardinal this year as an 'all around' rig.


fishing user avatarMAN reply : 

I didn't notice a difference in the catch ratio. Didn't care for it either after about a year or so and went back to Berkley Big Game on all my spinning and baitcast reels.  I tried to fix something that wasn't broke for me. 


fishing user avatarDangerfield reply : 

I tried FC (Sunline FC Sniper 18# & Maxima 12# FC leader) after the many glowing reviews and I ended up with more breakoffs than knot failures. I'm still a novice on the water and I may have stressed the line too much but I digress. All my reels, spin or cast, are braid to a leader (when necessary), except my cranking rig which I'm experimenting with YZH as a long leader (40 yards). I use a bloodknot for all my connections, zero confidence in the double uni, alberto etc.

 

PP Maxcurato braid on my baitcasters and I'm experimenting with 12# Sufix Nanobraid on my spinning outfit.


fishing user avatarPLfishing reply : 

I'm not sure that using flouro has caught me more fish but switching to flouro can be better when fished in pressured lakes or clear water as flouro is less visibile compared to mono or braid. Flouro also has less stretch than mono, but that's for another topic.


fishing user avatarJig Man reply : 

Yes it did.  I took a guy a few years ago.  He beat me like a left handed, red headed, step child.  I was using 10# mono and he was using 12# fluorocarbon.  We went again.  I just knew I could hold my own with him.  I couldn't.  I now have at least 10 setups with fluorocarbon.

I took him last week and had 23 to his 12.  I'll stick with it.


fishing user avatarTnRiver46 reply : 

I like floro for two applications: 1) leaders - although mono leaders work too

2) I always keep a rod spooled with 10 lb floro for suspending jerkbaits in winter. They just seem to suspend better with it (x rap). Also this must be a baitcaster, tried straight floro on a spinning rod once..... holy crap don’t do that 


fishing user avatarThe Maestro reply : 
  On 2/2/2019 at 6:23 AM, Jig Man said:

Yes it did.  I took a guy a few years ago.  He beat me like a left handed, red headed, step child.  I was using 10# mono and he was using 12# fluorocarbon.  We went again.  I just knew I could hold my own with him.  I couldn't.  I now have at least 10 setups with fluorocarbon.

I took him last week and had 23 to his 12.  I'll stick with it.

Interesting.  In the early stages of getting serious about bass fishing I joined a club as a non-boater.  For one tourney I drew a well known angler on the local scene (he went on to win a major event in FLW in the US) I asked him why he was using flouro and he recounted a similar story to yours.

  On 2/2/2019 at 6:23 AM, Jig Man said:

Yes it did.  I took a guy a few years ago.  He beat me like a left handed, red headed, step child.  I was using 10# mono and he was using 12# fluorocarbon.  We went again.  I just knew I could hold my own with him.  I couldn't.  I now have at least 10 setups with fluorocarbon.

I took him last week and had 23 to his 12.  I'll stick with it.

I tried straight flouro on a spinning reel once.  Stripped it off and threw it out right in the boat first time out.


fishing user avatarMassYak85 reply : 

I have a spool of Sunline Sniper lying around but I've pretty much switched to all braid + mono (Maxima) leaders, and straight braid when fishing thick vegetation. I do run strait P-Line PF copoly for treble hook swimbaits though. As for more bites...I don't think line visibility itself is super important unless you're fishing clear water (I'm not about to switch to straight neon yellow braid though) but the slack line sensitivity of fluoro is impressive from my short time using it, which can make a difference in hooking and landing the bites you do get for sure. 


fishing user avatarsoflabasser reply : 

Have caught plenty of big bass on Berkeley big game mono or straight braid in both clear and murky water. I find the knot strength of flourocarbon to be below my expectations and less than the knot strength/ abrasion resistance of a quality mono line.


fishing user avatarBankbeater reply : 

The only time I ever saw a difference between fluoro and braid was in clear water that saw heavy fishing pressure.  The fluoro always seemed to do better. 


fishing user avatarBluebasser86 reply : 

When it was needed, yes it caught me fish. Did it catch me more fish? No way of telling but I wouldn't use it if I didn't believe it didn't give me an advantage at times.


fishing user avatarLogan S reply : 

I wouldn't use it if I didn't think it was the most effective choice...Same goes for the other lines, they all have a place.  

 

More bites is tough to say...Though I did have an experience once that seemed to suggest the flouro made all the difference.  Fishing Lake Erie, dropshotting in 40 to 60' using braid/leader.  First day we did very well on that setup...Second day not so much.  Ran into a buddy who said he swapped to flouro and started catching.  I swapped my spools over to one with straight 8lb flouro right there on the water and sure enough, the bites all returned.  Same exact rod, reel, bait, weight, etc in the same areas...Only difference was swapping my spool to one with flouro.  

 

Not sure what difference really was, I suspect it was the way the bait moved with the chop on the lake and the drifts we were doing...But it was definitely better. 


fishing user avatargeo g reply : 

Its. Hard to tell if I get more bites with Floro, but I think so.  One thing I can tell you the hookup rate is better.  I detect more Initial bites, the  hook set is better, little line stretch, and I usually out fish those using other lines.  Not all floro’s are the same quality.  Trilene profession grade is what I use, love it.  I have used it for 10 years.


fishing user avatarmheichelbech reply : 

Hopefully not too far of a tangent but I wonder why you see the pros throwing Fluoro so much?  Are they just selling?  Are there specific applications, such as jerkbaits, where it is a lot better?


fishing user avatarCrankFate reply : 

I do not notice a difference with bass. But I do notice that in shallow clear water stren purple is just as clear as fluorocarbon but adds better bounce to an all braid setup. I have seen bigger bass roll upside down to shake the hook, literally belly up upside down. A short fluoro leader makes them successful when they do that sometimes, but not with a short (2-4’) leader of stretchy stren. 


fishing user avatargeo g reply : 

When it comes to TX’s they are out to win and will only use what puts them in the best position to win!  Floro does that for them!


fishing user avatarwaymont reply : 

I mostly fish McCoy Copolymer on my casting rigs except for frogging which I use PP 40lb braid.

I use 8,10, 15lb PP braid on all my spinning rigs with a McCoy Copolymer OR Trilene XL leader tied on.

Last year I switched to 6, 8, 10, 12lb InvizX Flouro for leaders. I didn't notice any more bites, but I did notice knots were weaker, especially with the 6 and 8lb InvizX. I didn't really have an issue with knot strength with the 10 and 12lb InvizX, and I did like the thinner diameter for equal line strength the InvizX has, but I'm not sure the finicky flouro knots are worth the benefits. I ended up using the 6 and 8lb InvizX like a size lower rating on my rigs. For example, I use the 6 in place of 4lb for ultralight stuff and the 8lb in place of 6lb for light stuff. I find that the knot strength using the McCoy Copolymer OR Trilene XL is so great and worry free that I'm going to go back to it as soon as I use up my InvizX line.


fishing user avatarThe Maestro reply : 
  On 2/2/2019 at 10:29 AM, mheichelbech said:

Hopefully not too far of a tangent but I wonder why you see the pros throwing Fluoro so much?  Are they just selling?  Are there specific applications, such as jerkbaits, where it is a lot better?

I remember when it first came on the scene it seemed all the pros were pushing it really hard without ever talking about the drawbacks.  I haven't noticed them shilling it as hard these days.


fishing user avatarTeam9nine reply : 

I think I'm closest to A-Jay in approaches mentioned. All fluoro on baitcasters with just 1 or 2 exceptions. I've got very little use for braid on them. However, I'm nearly all braid on spinning. 

 

A couple other thoughts. The knot issue with fluoro is not all encompassing. There are fluoro lines with as good or better knot strength than mono (nylon). They are the only ones I use. 

 

Also, if you are using straight braid, you are definitely getting a different presentation in many cases (vs straight mono/fluoro or braid with leader) that can affect the bite, sometimes for the better, and sometimes for the worse. It's why I don't go straight braid very often even when using it.


fishing user avatarJrob78 reply : 

I use fluoro on most of my casting set ups but it doesn't have anything to do with visibility. I feel like it gives me the best bite detection, abrasion resistance, connection to the bait (no huge bow) and enough stretch to keep fish hooked up.

 

Braid has no stretch, floats and doesn't transmit vibration while slack. I feel like all three of those things are negatives the vast majority of the time. I only use braid for heavy vegetation and some topwater.


fishing user avatarHeartland reply : 

How exactly would one go about determining if they were getting more or less bites on one line over the other?


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 

The advantage fluorocarbon line has over braid and monofilament line is it's heavier specific gravity allows the line to sink and it has very low coeffient of drag going through water. Equal diameter FC line has lower knot strength then mono, that is it's major flaw.

I use small diameter line because it enhances lure action, not that bass can't see, they can. I don't like braid even though it's the smallest line to diameter it's strength, it floats do to it's very weight creating a bow in the line between the rod tip and lure underwater. Braid is highly visible in larger enough diameters to use on a baitcasting reel effectively requiring a leader. 

Spinningvreels can use much smaller diameter line effectively and braid is a advantage to reduce line twist, leader is optional. Using FC as a leader with line that floats negates it's weight advantage plus 2 knots to fail. 

Choices....no panacea.

WherecI bass fish the water has good clarity and very high fishing pressure, the big bass have learned to aviod anglers and lures or live bait  that line effects movements. You can fish all day with jigs and worms using line .012D or larger and never get bit. Drop down to .010 or less, same lures and get bit during day light. At night it doesn't matter. I get about the same number strikes using  FC or mono, easier to detect strikes using FC with jigs and worms, easier to put them in the boat using mono do to more reliable knot strength. The bass I catch often weigh equal to or 50% more then the line strength, knot strength is critical.

Tom

 


fishing user avatarMN Fisher reply : 
  On 2/2/2019 at 12:57 PM, Heartland said:

How exactly would one go about determining if they were getting more or less bites on one line over the other?

Exactly - it would require extensive experimentation and documentation.

 

Exact same lures presented in the same way in the same location at the same time of year under the same weather conditions. Repeat with every other lure in your bag(s) in every location you fish.

 

Only such a thorough research project could determine whether FC was better than Mono or Braid at catching fish.

 

Only place I'll use FC is for diving lures where I want them to run at a depth, except in heavy weed situations...then out come the braid.


fishing user avatarjunyer357 reply : 

I dont think you will ever find the clear answer to your question, because there is no clear answer. If there was it would already be known. I have used braid, flouro, and mono for most techniques at some point in my life. I think each has its merits and flaws. I stick with mostly flouro now, as a personal preference based on past experiences. 

 

I use flouro exclusively for cranking, worm/jigs, spinnerbaits, jerkbaits, and chatterbaits. I only use mono for topwater and buzzbaits. Braid is for my spinning gear, frogs, and flipping. 

 

On my spinning gear, i have had mixed results on wether braid or flouro was better. I always use 15# or 20# yellow pp8 and usually color the last few feet with a black sharpie.  I have had diffrent times in the same lakes or ares where i started with a flouro leader, broke it off, and went to straight braid and saw no change, especially if they were more aggressive. Other times i hardly got a bite til i added a flouro leader. 

 

This spring i am going to try 25# flouro on a 2nd flipping set up and try it, based on reccomendations from a trusted local i fiah with. He and his tourny partner found last year that it worked better at times, especially more pressured areas and times. Their belief is that the fish were alerted and spooked some by the sound of the braid zipping on grass and wood when flipping. 

 


fishing user avatarCatt reply : 
  On 2/2/2019 at 12:57 PM, Heartland said:

How exactly would one go about determining if they were getting more or less bites on one line over the other?

 

Guess I aint that good! ????

 

 

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fishing user avatarThe Maestro reply : 
  On 2/2/2019 at 12:57 PM, Heartland said:

How exactly would one go about determining if they were getting more or less bites on one line over the other?

If you were in an area and not catching so you decide to switch lines (only) and start catching.  If you're being badly out fished by someone doing the same thing you're doing except he's using flouro.  Some people just swear they started getting more bites after switching.  Obviously none of this is very scientific but scarcely anything in fishing is.


fishing user avatarbagofdonuts reply : 

I reaaly like it for cranking and jig fishing in woody cover(prefer braid in the grass). I know i detect bites while cranking that i would never feel with mono. Im pretty sure i can even feel a fish miss the crankbait and have caught many by stopping the bait after feeling a miss. Gone back to mono a couple of times for shallow cranking and hated the lake of feel. Never had knot problems using a doubled improved cinch knot. For jig fishing its more of a feel thing, i just like the way floro feels sliding over the wood and the abrasion resistance. 


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 

Use the same model rod, reel and lure on 2 outfits, 1 with mono and 1 with FC line the same diameter. It doesn't doesn't take a genius to determine which rod you catch more bass or how the lure feels using them alternately. Jigs and worms I prefer FC but...breaking off occasional big bass is a nightmare with FC, doesn't happen with mono.

Tom


fishing user avatarHeartland reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 2:28 AM, WRB said:

Use the same model rod, reel and lure on 2 outfits, 1 with mono and 1 with FC line the same diameter. It doesn't doesn't take a genius to determine which rod you catch more bass or how the lure feels using them alternately. Jigs and worms I prefer FC but...breaking off occasional big bass is a nightmare with FC, doesn't happen with mono.

Tom

So as soon as you pick up one rod and put down the other, you have created a problem regardless if they are identical except for line.  How do then prove that the fish you just caught would not have been caught on the other setup if the lure had been presented in the same exact spot and at the same angle at the same time?  The only difference between genius and insanity is genius has its limits.   A. Einstein....


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 3:25 AM, Heartland said:

So as soon as you pick up one rod and put down the other, you have created a problem regardless if they are identical except for line.  How do then prove that the fish you just caught would not have been caught on the other setup if the lure had been presented in the same exact spot and at the same angle at the same time?  The only difference between genius and insanity is genius has its limits.   A. Einstein....

Did I mention I have been using FC line since '95 and made thousands of cast catching hundreds of bass on both FC and mono. Arguing for the sake of argument is hopeless.

Tom


fishing user avatarMN Fisher reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 3:32 AM, WRB said:

Did I mention I have been using FC line since '95 and made thousands of cast catching hundreds of bass on both FC and mono. Arguing for the sake of argument is hopeless.

Tom

I think his point is that how do you know that a catch made on FC would not have been made on Mono - and visa-versa. There is no definitive proof that one is better than the other at catching fish - it's all supposition and 'feelings'.


fishing user avatarHeartland reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 3:32 AM, WRB said:

Did I mention I have been using FC line since '95 and made thousands of cast catching hundreds of bass on both FC and mono. Arguing for the sake of argument is hopeless.

Tom

Could not have said it better myself.....

 


fishing user avatarThe Maestro reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 3:36 AM, MN Fisher said:

I think his point is that how do you know that a catch made on FC would not have been made on Mono - and visa-versa. There is no definitive proof that one is better than the other at catching fish - it's all supposition and 'feelings'.

If you're looking for proof and absolutes on the level of proving 2+2=4, it's not possible with fishing.  That doesn't mean anecdotal evidence has zero merit.


fishing user avatarHeartland reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 3:40 AM, The Maestro said:

If you're looking for proof and absolutes on the level of proving 2+2=4, it's not possible with fishing.  That doesn't mean anecdotal evidence has zero merit.

Anecdotal evidence is when a person uses personal experience or an isolated example instead of a  sound argument or compelling evidence.     It is in fact a logical fallacy.


fishing user avatarThe Maestro reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 3:48 AM, Heartland said:

Anecdotal evidence is when a person uses personal experience or an isolated example instead of a  sound argument or compelling evidence.     It is in fact a logical fallacy.

You're on this forum right? Do you watch fishing shows to try to pick up tips and information? Do you read about fishing?  Do you talk to other anglers?  Its ALL anecdotal evidence when it comes to fishing.


fishing user avatarFishTank reply : 

For me Braid and FC are two different tools used for the same thing.   I use FC mainly and I like to think I catch for fish with it but that's because I have more confidence in it.  With braid (sometimes with leader), I use it for thick weeds, topwater and large rock bottoms.  FC for almost everything else, except crankbaits (mono). 


fishing user avatarMN Fisher reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 3:53 AM, The Maestro said:

You're on this forum right? Do you watch fishing shows to try to pick up tips and information? Do you read about fishing?  Do you talk to other anglers?  Its ALL anecdotal evidence when it comes to fishing.

Exactly, and that's how I treat it.  The lake/bay/river/whatever they're fishing is NOT the ones I fish. I read/watch to bone up on techniques. What lures/line/etc they use won't be the ones I use as their 'fishing hole' is not the one I go to. Every location is unique, as are the fish in them. Do I try the lures that they've suggested? Maybe. But it's not a given...unless they produce a video or a detailed account of one of the spots I fish. Then I might listen more to lure/line selection.


fishing user avatarThe Maestro reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 4:03 AM, MN Fisher said:

Exactly, and that's how I treat it.  The lake/bay/river/whatever they're fishing is NOT the ones I fish. I read/watch to bone up on techniques. What lures/line/etc they use won't be the ones I use as their 'fishing hole' is not the one I go to. Every location is unique, as are the fish in them. Do I try the lures that they've suggested? Maybe. But it's not a given...unless they produce a video or a detailed account of one of the spots I fish. Then I might listen more to lure/line selection.

The point of the question in my OP was to ask about what others have experienced.  No different than if we were having a conversation irl.  At no point do any of us ask for the peer reviewed studies (there aren't any) related to the topic or we're just going to disregard everything.  Time on the water obviously matters and drawing on the experience of others can help shorten the already steep learning curve.


fishing user avatarCraigholland reply : 

In clear water absolutely over braid. Did some trolling this year for other things crappie, walleye and bass. Ran four lines , it was like 9 to 1 floro over braid. Everything else was equal on more than one occasion. Mono vs florocarbon , I don't know I'm kinda on the fence , think it's a marketing deal and there are some good co polys out there too. Mono that doesn't stretch I like too. I used to be all braid , now I'm 80% folro/co ploy and mono. Don't know if there is a difference between those 3 in bites but vs braid in none heavy cover or non muddy water I was say 100 yes.


fishing user avatarHeartland reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 3:53 AM, The Maestro said:

You're on this forum right? Do you watch fishing shows to try to pick up tips and information? Do you read about fishing?  Do you talk to other anglers?  Its ALL anecdotal evidence when it comes to fishing.

Some things are and other are not.  Water temp, clarity, fall rate, barometric pressure, thermocline, depth, primary food source, are all examples of things that are not anecdotal.   I tend to listen for these kind of details when fisherman start speaking of how their fish were caught as opposed to Jimmy Bob telling me the only thing they are bittin on is a pink critterbug......


fishing user avatarThe Maestro reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 3:48 AM, Heartland said:

Anecdotal evidence is when a person uses personal experience or an isolated example instead of a  sound argument or compelling evidence.     It is in fact a logical fallacy.

 

  On 2/3/2019 at 7:36 AM, Heartland said:

  I tend to listen for these kind of details when fisherman start speaking of how their fish were caught as opposed to Jimmy Bob telling me the only thing they are bittin on is a pink critterbug......

 


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 3:48 AM, Heartland said:

Anecdotal evidence is when a person uses personal experience or an isolated example instead of a  sound argument or compelling evidence.     It is in fact a logical fallacy.

I caught 58 LMB over 15 lbs on mono since 1968, 0 on FC. Between 1995 and 2012, I fish FC primarily because I liked the feedback. Would have I caught a giant bass during that that period....yes 2008, 2012 I caught 15.8 and 15.3 lb bass using mono after breaking off a few big bass on FC. Bass fishing is fishing not a sceince project with controlled elements. The results speak volumes.

Tom


fishing user avatarLegendaryBassin reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 8:27 AM, WRB said:

I caught 58 LMB over 15 lbs on mono since 1968, 0 on FC. Between 1995 and 2012, I fish FC primarily because I liked the feedback. Would have I caught a giant bass during that that period....yes 2008, 2012 I caught 15.8 and 15.3 lb bass using mono after breaking off a few big bass on FC. Bass fishing is fishing not a sceince project with controlled elements. The results speak volumes.

Tom

Your attempt to use your prior experience and how long you have used certain types of line are irrelevant to the topic. Would you have caught/lost those fish still? I would assume a sizable amount but ultimately who knows.

 

It is ultimately impossible to prove which line is more effective as that would require a controlled environment which can not be replicated in fishing. It comes down to preference to individuals after they analyze the main advantages and disadvantages mono, copolymer, FC, braid, or even using main line to a leader.

 

 


fishing user avatarBoatSquirrel reply : 
  On 2/2/2019 at 6:26 AM, TnRiver46 said:

holy crap don’t do that 

Well said sir!


fishing user avatarA-Jay reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 8:27 AM, WRB said:

I caught 58 LMB over 15 lbs on mono since 1968

Tom

@WRB

EASILY My Favorite Quote on the Bass Resource Forum ~ Ever !

btw - in 68 I was 9.

:thumbsup:

A-Jay


fishing user avatarMN Fisher reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 12:28 PM, A-Jay said:

btw - in 68 I was 9.

Old fart - I was only 8.????


fishing user avatarHeartland reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 8:27 AM, WRB said:

I caught 58 LMB over 15 lbs on mono since 1968, 0 on FC. Between 1995 and 2012, I fish FC primarily because I liked the feedback. Would have I caught a giant bass during that that period....yes 2008, 2012 I caught 15.8 and 15.3 lb bass using mono after breaking off a few big bass on FC. Bass fishing is fishing not a sceince project with controlled elements. The results speak volumes.

Tom

Toot Toot

  On 2/3/2019 at 8:10 AM, The Maestro said:

 

 

And you point is what?

 


fishing user avatarQUAKEnSHAKE reply : 

There have been times with braided line sight fishing that I threw to the same fish umpting times and then got bit. Maybe on that umptingth cast the lure landed just where it made the fish react. What if I threw 1/2 those times with braid then finally decided to throw FC cast a few more times and then get bit? Was it the FC line then or did the lure land just in the right spot as with the braid on the umptingth time???  

My most productive hour of fishing was with white nanofil. FC hasnt come close to the same number of fish in 1 hour for me. Is that due to the line or just being at the right place at the right time. If the scenario reversed some would rationalized it as being due to FC but but make it just an anomaly with with white line.

Why in 5 years using FC havent I equaled or surpassed my nanofil record 1 hour catch rate? I fish the same lure senko I fish the same lake very clear water 15 feet of visibility same spots same hours but havent got the same numbers. 

 

No one has been able nor is able to prove FC works better than braid or the other way around. 


fishing user avatarLegendaryBassin reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 12:58 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

There have been times with braided line sight fishing that I threw to the same fish umpting times and then got bit. Maybe on that umptingth cast the lure landed just where it made the fish react. What if I threw 1/2 those times with braid then finally decided to throw FC cast a few more times and then get bit? Was it the FC line then or did the lure land just in the right spot as with the braid on the umptingth time???  

My most productive hour of fishing was with white nanofil. FC hasnt come close to the same number of fish in 1 hour for me. Is that due to the line or just being at the right place at the right time. If the scenario reversed some would rationalized it as being due to FC but but make it just an anomaly with with white line.

Why in 5 years using FC havent I equaled or surpassed my nanofil record 1 hour catch rate? I fish the same lure senko I fish the same lake very clear water 15 feet of visibility same spots same hours but havent got the same numbers. 

 

No one has been able nor is able to prove FC works better than braid or the other way around. 

Well said


fishing user avatarHeartland reply : 

The cost of the juice is not worth the squeeze, I am out of this.


fishing user avatarA-Jay reply : 
  On 2/3/2019 at 12:33 PM, MN Fisher said:

Old fart - I was only 8.????

 

 "At my age and with my knees, getting in and out of a kayak is a non-starter."

If you say so.

A-Jay


fishing user avatarBluebasser86 reply : 

I think this has run it's course.

 

LOCKDOWN!!




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