The Ned Rig Resource 2024
RSM789 reply :
After using a Ned rig for the first time a couple weeks ago, I made a thread about the experience (http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/155892-uh-yep-the-ned-rig-is-awesome/). However, even though it caught a 7lb catfish, I wondered if it was strictly a numbers lure, something that wouldn't catch big bass? No problem if it was, I am a numbers fisherman, but the mantra of "Big Baits+Big Bass" was in my head. It made sense that such a small lure wouldn't attract a larger fish.
So last Saturday morning I am out fishing, having already caught 3 bass in the 12" - 14" range on little Neddy, when this gal suddenly shows up near my boat. She was kind of brutish, with a big mouth & she told me that the Ned rig will catch big bass no matter what I think. I was a bit taken aback, but since she looked like she might win in a fight with me, I didn't argue with her. I figured it best we just go our separate ways, but before we did, I snapped a few photos of her...
She weighed 7-6 and I could have fit 6 dozen Ned rigs in her mouth...
Glenn reply :
We get so many questions about the Ned Rig, I thought I'd make it easy to find what you're looking for in this post. So without further adieu...
New Video: The Ned Rig
Tried The Ned Rig Twice
How To Fish The Ned Rig
Ned Rig Believer 1
Ned Rig Believer 2
Ned Rig Tips
TRD Ned Rig
Alternatives to Mushroom Jig for Ned Rig
Ned Rig Questions
Ned Rig
Had My Camera This Time....5 lb'r On The Ned Rig
First Time Ned Rig
Ned Rig Video
Are Ned Rigs A Numbers Only Bait?
Getting Skunked? Try Ned
Ned Riggin'
Ned Rig : Updated Line Choice ?
Ned Rig Mushroom Head Weight Question
What the Ned Rig Mimics
Will These Work For The Ned Rig?
Ned vs. Tubes
Rod For Ned Rig
Is the ned rig just a small fish bait?
Zman TRD
Zman TRD's melting no matter what!
Z-man TRD on a drop shot.
another option for ned rig worm
Ned Rig Mushroom Head Weight Question
Modified Ned Rig?
Z Man Finesse Shroomz Weedless Heads?
FavoriteZman Trd Colors ?
More Ned Rig Fishing and Testing
Choporoz reply :
Great idea. Thanks, Glenn. Searching for three letter words is recipe for frustration, so this is a big help.
Last_Cast reply :
Awesome idea. Thanks for this!
Bought a bunch of stuff the other day thanks to the video you posted.
Z-man must like you.
Bladesmith, reply :
Thank you, Glenn. The search box turns up 0 on the term "Ned Rig".
Pond reply :
I tried the ned rig from reading this post and wow does it work caught a bunch of bass and even a pike and the zman Trd held up to all the fish even the pike fished the whole day on one worm thanks for the info it's now my go to bait
upchuck1383 reply :
I tried it earlier this spring and was disapointed with the results. Tried it again today on a whim and it crushed. Every cast felt like it resulted in a fish. Really glad I gave it another try. Now to find a way to snag less...
FishHard247 reply :
Well I tried it today for the first time and knocked their lights out. Even crappie. Not that I was looking for a crappie but they got in on it also. I'm in on the ned!
desmobob reply :
I threw a Ned Rig yesterday and caught largemouth, smallmouth, yellow perch, black crappie, northern pike, pickerel, a HUGE freshwater drum and even managed to somehow foul-hook a large catfish. And it's all a blast if you're using light spinning tackle.
Tight lines,
Bob
Hurricane reply :
Whats everyones favorite TRD color? Have tried PB&J and the Green Pumpkin.. No complaints..
upchuck1383 reply :
Green pumpkin is the only one I have tied on, and at the rate I am crushing I don't see a reason why not.
I lost my last 1/10oz and had to use some 1/6. Snagged a little more, and had less strikes on the fall. But it still performed well. What sizes have you guys been using? Do the weedless heads help at all? Submerged wood has been tricky to say the least!
desmobob reply :
On 5/23/2016 at 8:06 AM, LastCastChris said:Whats everyones favorite TRD color? Have tried PB&J and the Green Pumpkin.. No complaints..
I don't know if I have a favorite color (yet). It seems like when I decide to fish the Ned Rig, I grab the first package of TRDs or ZinkerZ I lay my hands on, and use that color. I have at least a half-dozen colors, and every one I've tried seems to work like crazy!
Tight lines,
Bob
FishHard247 reply :
Get the weedless. I cant imagine not with all the wood I fish around. My only complaint is the small hooks WILL break off if you dig one into a log deep enough tho.
desmobob reply :
On 5/23/2016 at 9:34 PM, FishHard247 said:Get the weedless. I cant imagine not with all the wood I fish around. My only complaint is the small hooks WILL break off if you dig one into a log deep enough tho.
I would use the weedless if they made them in 1/15 oz. I like to use the two lightest 'Shroomz jigheads.
Tight lines,
Bob
Hurricane reply :
The green pumpkin/ orange colored trd looks killer...
Bluebasser86 reply :
I have a lot of the colors and they all work. Just like anything else, sometimes color makes a huge difference, and sometimes they could care less. I wish they would make a TRD in Purple Haze because it's a killer color in a couple of our lakes.
Hurricane reply :
On 5/24/2016 at 9:40 AM, Bluebasser86 said:I have a lot of the colors and they all work. Just like anything else, sometimes color makes a huge difference, and sometimes they could care less. I wish they would make a TRD in Purple Haze because it's a killer color in a couple of our lakes.
Got a gift card from my work to Cabelas.. Seriously thinking about buying a bag of every color.... I destroyed smallmouth on the trd all day the other day... It was the first time i used my spinning rod/reel in a long time.. I loved it..
boostr reply :
Try it with the Hula Stickz. This past Saturday used them the first time, and caught a few on them.
Fishing Rhino reply :
I've ordered the makings of some NED rigs. I'm looking forward to trying them.
Rpratt reply :
I picked up all the required tackle last weekend and this week the Ned Rig was given its trial run. I went fishing early going up my favorite banks , picked up a few fish using a square bill and havoc pit boss. But not really getting many bites. So I decided to give the Ned it's chance...
I turned the boat around and started back down the same banks. I just wanted to say first I was extremely skeptical, but on the 3rd cast... Fish on! And so on and so on all the way back. I could not believe how many fish I caught and what I had missed when I came the other way. I can't wait to get out and experiment more with it next weekend.
Great bait I am completely sold and thanks Bass Resource and forum members for all the information.
JPascavage52 reply :
Who says the Ned Rig doesn't catch big fish?
I've used it this year everywhere from the local electric motor only lake that tops out around 10 feet deep, to Lake Erie, and caught bass from 7 inches to just under 5 pounds (although, on average, most fish on it are probably 13-14 inches, need to be 12 to keep here in PA)
While theres nothing magical about it, and there will be times other lures will outfish it, it is definitely a potent tool, and something I'll almost always have a rod rigged up with, and will almost always make a pass with it over each spot.
In addition, my tournament fishing strategy has changed, while I used to go after bigger fish early and then scramble to fill in my limit, now I try to get a limit as fast as possible to set the tone and get my confidence up, then I'll go out deeper or to thick cover for the kicker fish. But, even if I'm throwing big jigs, big worms, and deep cranks offshore, this can still be worth a few casts if the schools are finnicky.
FishHard247 reply :
Separate the elastics! I learned the hard way. They melt. Unlike plastics.
MickD reply :
On 5/11/2015 at 8:27 AM, RSM789 said:After using a Ned rig for the first time a couple weeks ago, I made a thread about the experience (http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/155892-uh-yep-the-ned-rig-is-awesome/). However, even though it caught a 7lb catfish, I wondered if it was strictly a numbers lure, something that wouldn't catch big bass? No problem if it was, I am a numbers fisherman, but the mantra of "Big Baits+Big Bass" was in my head. It made sense that such a small lure wouldn't attract a larger fish.
So last Saturday morning I am out fishing, having already caught 3 bass in the 12" - 14" range on little Neddy, when this gal suddenly shows up near my boat. She was kind of brutish, with a big mouth & she told me that the Ned rig will catch big bass no matter what I think. I was a bit taken aback, but since she looked like she might win in a fight with me, I didn't argue with her. I figured it best we just go our separate ways, but before we did, I snapped a few photos of her...
She weighed 7-6 and I could have fit 6 dozen Ned rigs in her mouth...
The Ned gets the "small fish" tag because it catches so many fish. Most fish are small fish, so. . . BUT, it catches ALL fish, and it's a numbers game. Now and then you'll catch the exceptional big fish. There just are not many of them to be caught.
itspj reply :
Thanks for the links Glenn. I think I'm going to try this one next. Been fishing curly tail works wacky or texas because of warmer waters and I'm thinking of trying this guy. I primarily bank fish so hopefully this rig will prove to be fruitful
itspj reply :
WOW! That was fruitful! I watched the video Glenn put together about this rig and got the Z-Man stuff to rig this up and gave it a go. There's a pond I frequent that's been really tough this summer. So I went out early morning and tried out the ned rig for an hour and hooked up two (more than my usual in this pond, even when I texas rigged curly tails). I had to go back in the evening and they just couldn't resist, I think this is my new confidence bait. There were 3 other people fishing in the pond and they had been there longer than I had and hadn't caught anything, while I was just reeling them in. This is the most I've caught in this pond since I started fishing 3 months ago. I used a medium light spinning rod with 10lb test mono with a palomar knot. I don't have a scale so I don't know how much they weighed. Here are some pictures of some of the catch, what do you guys estimate they weighed?
basswrangler83 reply :
On 5/22/2016 at 6:15 AM, upchuck1383 said:I tried it earlier this spring and was disapointed with the results. Tried it again today on a whim and it crushed. Every cast felt like it resulted in a fish. Really glad I gave it another try. Now to find a way to snag less...
I had the same problem because of the weeds in my lakes, and weak hooks on the mushroom heads. Today I tried this out and did very well. It's a 1/16 oz bullet weight and a 1/0 gamakatsu ewg hook. I call it my baby Texas rig
upchuck1383 reply :
How does that rig cast?
basswrangler83 reply :
On 11/12/2016 at 8:43 AM, upchuck1383 said:How does that rig cast?
Pretty well. the weight of the trd helps. If you go with a lighter plastic like the finesse shad, it's harder to get distance
Bluebasser86 reply :
The Ned rig doesn't snag often if you're using the correct sized hook. With the common notion in bass fishing being to use a hook with plenty of gap, it causes a lot more hang ups. I fish around grass, rock, and wood with a Ned and lose very few to snags. Even when they do snag, they pop lose easily usually.
As for the hooks being weak, if you're having problems with breaking or bending hooks, you need to evaluate your setup or buy better heads. I use a 6' 10" ML/XF with 24lb Gliss and a fairly light drag and have no problems with breaking hooks, and I've landed fish way bigger and meaner than any bass on a Ned rig. I caught this one on one of my homemade heads with a #1 Eagle Claw Lil' Nasty hook. Only took about 5 minutes to land so I'm not taking it easy on them either.
BASS302 reply :
Got my January/February 2017 issue of BASSMASTER magazine today. There's an article "Introduction to the Ned Rig" in it.
Choporoz reply :
On 1/11/2017 at 8:31 AM, BASS302 said:Got my January/February 2017 issue of BASSMASTER magazine today. There's an article "Introduction to the Ned Rig" in it.
With no lesser authority than Ned, himself. Neko article, too...cat's out
liamhales14 reply :
Everyone know that the ned rig can catch plenty of fish. I catch a lot of fish on the green pumpkin/ orange color of z-man trd. I feel that this is an underrated color and perfectly imitates a crawfish. I just bought the big trd jig heads and excited to give them a try!
Smokinal reply :
I'm a huge fan of the Ned rig with a TRD. I have had great success with the ZMan Hula Stickz as well; fished on the same tackle, same way. just fyi
IndianaFinesse reply :
Here's a link to a thread that details Ned rigging according to Ned Kahde The basics of the Ned rig. It should have all the information needed to start Ned rigging the right way.
WildmanWilson reply :
We fish the Ned rig today and it out fished everything. We lost a lot of fish as well. I wish the hook was a little bigger and had a bigger barb in it. It almost doesn't have a barb.
I may try the worm weight but turn it around so the flat side allows it to stand up and peg it.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 2/21/2017 at 9:04 AM, WildmanWilson said:We fish the Ned rig today and it out fished everything. We lost a lot of fish as well. I wish the hook was a little bigger and had a bigger barb in it. It almost doesn't have a barb.
I may try the worm weight but turn it around so the flat side allows it to stand up and peg it.
What size hook and what line/rod where you using? And how where you setting the hook? A medium lite rod with eight pound line tied to a #4 or #2 hook is ideal, and with those tiny hooks a different hookset is required to land a decent percentage of bites. Try simply reeling into the fish and letting the lite wire hooks do the rest, a traditional hookset will result in a lot of lost fish.
WildmanWilson reply :
On 2/21/2017 at 9:32 AM, IndianaFinesse said:What size hook and what line/rod where you using? And how where you setting the hook? A medium lite rod with eight pound line tied to a #4 or #2 hook is ideal, and with those tiny hooks a different hookset is required to land a decent percentage of bites. Try simply reeling into the fish and letting the lite wire hooks do the rest, a traditional hookset will result in a lot of lost fish.
I was using a med light with 6 pound line. 1/6 zman heads. We were letting the fish take it and just raising the rod and reeling. At least this seemed to work the best. Still had several good ones come off just bringing them in. Had one at least 5 plus get off. Caught several in the 2 to 4 range but still had nearly half get off. I'm sure it's a learning curve but I wasn't forcing them and had a rather loose drag.
Smokinal reply :
On 2/21/2017 at 2:40 PM, WildmanWilson said:I was using a med light with 6 pound line. 1/6 zman heads. We were letting the fish take it and just raising the rod and reeling. At least this seemed to work the best. Still had several good ones come off just bringing them in. Had one at least 5 plus get off. Caught several in the 2 to 4 range but still had nearly half get off. I'm sure it's a learning curve but I wasn't forcing them and had a rather loose drag.
Not to cause a stir but I have to disagree with the "just reel into them" thing. I've fished the Ned a lot and can count the number of fish I've lost on just my hands. Now, I don't reel down and cross their eyes like I would with a jig or big soft plastic worm but I do give a short, quick hookset. When I detect a bite, whether it's my line jumping or just by feel, I reel up a small amount of slack (if I have any) and then give a quick, short, sharp set. Again, nothing hard but more of a half-hearted set.
If the reel into them thing works for ya, great. But try this other method too WildMan.
Keep us posted.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 2/21/2017 at 2:40 PM, WildmanWilson said:I was using a med light with 6 pound line. 1/6 zman heads. We were letting the fish take it and just raising the rod and reeling. At least this seemed to work the best. Still had several good ones come off just bringing them in. Had one at least 5 plus get off. Caught several in the 2 to 4 range but still had nearly half get off. I'm sure it's a learning curve but I wasn't forcing them and had a rather loose drag.
Hm, so its not the line or rods fault, as long as you were using braid, the hooks penetrate much more easily with no stretch braid instead of mono. Another thing you should consider in the future is trying some 1/15 ounce heads, it won't help the hooking percentage but it is almost garrunteed to increase your catch rate. Contrary to what many people think, you don't want to feel the bait during the retrieve, which requires a lite jig head. Scroll up five posts to find a link to a post detailing what the Ned rig is and how to most effectively use it.
Smokinal reply :
On 2/21/2017 at 9:51 PM, IndianaFinesse said:as long as you were using braid, the hooks penetrate much more easily with no stretch braid instead of mono.
Good point Indiana. I use 10 lb braid (Sufix Nanobraid) with a 10 lb fluoro leader. I would highly recommend braid for the no-stretch. That helps with that short, quick hookset I mentioned. I would not go all mono or all fluoro as they both feel like rubber bands to me.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 8:46 AM, Smokinal said:Good point Indiana. I use 10 lb braid (Sufix Nanobraid) with a 10 lb fluoro leader. I would highly recommend braid for the no-stretch. I would not go all mono or all fluoro as they both feel like rubber bands to me.
I agree, and I'm also going to add that I highly recommend sticking with Ned rigging the way it was intended and as detailed by Ned kahde and other Midwest finesse fishermen. I prefer 6-8 pound braid (any braid will work, but my favorites Gliss) with a 8 pound leader. If the fish get real finicky or if I'm looking for a challenging fight, I will occasionally take the leader down to four pound mono just for the challenge, but that is not necessary.
WildmanWilson reply :
I was using mono so that may be the issue. I'm really falling in love with this bait though.
So is the hi vis braid the best?
Smokinal reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 9:48 AM, WildmanWilson said:I was using mono so that may be the issue. I'm really falling in love with this bait though.
So is the hi vis braid the best?
Use any braid you are confident in. As long as you can detect the bites, which can be subtle at times, than any will work. It's the no-stretch part of braid that matters. And, like mentioned above, I would always use a fluoro leader so that hi-vis for you doesn't become hi-vis to the fish. Keep us posted please!
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 9:48 AM, WildmanWilson said:I was using mono so that may be the issue. I'm really falling in love with this bait though.
So is the hi vis braid the best?
I agree with smokinal on the braid. It well help improve your hooking percentage, the stretchy mono you are currently using is likely the cause of your problem. It will also help detect bites and make it easier to cast/retrieve. Choose whichever color braid you are confident in, some people prefer high vis colored braid and some prefer green or smoke color. Stay under ten pound test braid, more than that is overkill (braid typically breaks at about twice the advertised strength) and will reduce casting distance. I use the litest braid I can find, usually between 5 and 8 pound test.
NCbassraider reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 9:48 AM, WildmanWilson said:I was using mono so that may be the issue. I'm really falling in love with this bait though.
So is the hi vis braid the best?
It doesn't matter, the fish are not looking at the line and analyzing. I use green braid to blend on every reel but despite what people tell you, they're not looking at line. Just like they're not identifying treble hooks hanging off hard baits. Bass are not that evolved.
I love Ned rigging on braid because it floats and you can usually see the line move before you feel the hit, if you fish it with controlled slack. I keep the drag loose on almost very reel to make up for the lack of stretch in braid.
Mosster47 reply :
On 2/21/2017 at 6:51 PM, Smokinal said:Not to cause a stir but I have to disagree with the "just reel into them" thing. I've fished the Ned a lot and can count the number of fish I've lost on just my hands. Now, I don't reel down and cross their eyes like I would with a jig or big soft plastic worm but I do give a short, quick hookset. When I detect a bite, whether it's my line jumping or just by feel, I reel up a small amount of slack (if I have any) and then give a quick, short, sharp set. Again, nothing hard but more of a half-hearted set.
If the reel into them thing works for ya, great. But try this other method too WildMan.
Keep us posted.
I do the same. I was losing some fish, but I haven't lost any at all since I started reeling up the slack and giving it a pop.
WI_Angler1989 reply :
I really wish Zman would make a green pumpkin blue flake TRD. The blue craw doesn't look like I wanted.
Smokinal reply :
^^^That could be nasty!
WI_Angler1989 reply :
On 3/16/2017 at 7:35 AM, Smokinal said:^^^That could be nasty!
It really would be. That color KILLING in my waters!
Smokinal reply :
^^^What plastics are you throwing in that color?
Mokujon reply :
Anyone have a chance to try the tubez yet? I'll probably go out this weekend and pick some up if my local store has them.
WI_Angler1989 reply :
On 3/16/2017 at 6:08 PM, Smokinal said:^^^What plastics are you throwing in that color?
A lot actually. Cabin Creek tubes and craws, BizzBaits baby Bizzbug and killer kraw, Culprit worms, River Rock tubes (not just G. Pumpkin blue, but close)
It's my favorite color by far. Watermelon blue is awesome too. Idk that it matters either way. The smallies LOVE either one
CenCal fisher reply :
On 3/16/2017 at 11:27 PM, Mokujon said:Anyone have a chance to try the tubez yet? I'll probably go out this weekend and pick some up if my local store has them.
I fished them this weekend and didn't see my catch rate change. I was catching fish on the trd. I switched to the tubez and caught fish then switched back to the trd and still caught fish. The trd weigh a little more and are easier to cast. I probably won't buy another pack of tubez but don't regret buying a pack to try
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 3/16/2017 at 11:27 PM, Mokujon said:Anyone have a chance to try the tubez yet? I'll probably go out this weekend and pick some up if my local store has them.
I have used them, and while I do use them on occasion they are much harder to cast and less versatile. They seem to do well once the bass have seen a lot of 2.5 inch zinkerzs and want something different with a slower fall. The downside like I mentioned is they don't cast very far, but I see them being deadly in small streams for smallies. I over all prefer half of a zinkerz, by far, but they are good to have as another option.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 3/16/2017 at 12:37 AM, WI_Angler1989 said:I really wish Zman would make a green pumpkin blue flake TRD. The blue craw doesn't look like I wanted.
Have you tried a Punch CrawZ as a Ned Rig bait? It comes in green pumpkin blue flake. It's a slower fall, but an awesome Ned Rig bait. I'd never thought about it until a local guy had 2 over 5 and 2 over 7 on it one day last year.
joe chum reply :
Nichol's has released a new Ned Rig head:
https://nicholslures.com/products/clent-david-toadstool
Smokinal reply :
Whoa! I like that^^ I like that the hook size is a hair larger than the Shroomz. Thank you for sharing
JustinCT reply :
Got my first set of Ned Rig gear today. Will give it a try when I next get out which will also be the first time this year.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 3/27/2017 at 2:59 AM, Smokinal said:Whoa! I like that^^ I like that the hook size is a hair larger than the Shroomz. Thank you for sharing
A cheaper option than the Nichols (or z-man) is the mushroom heads from Gopher tackle. They let you choose the weight, hook brand/type, hook size, and the color of the head. Here's a link http://www.gophertackle.com/mushroomjig.html. They are quite bit cheaper, and you can get exactly what you want.
Smokinal reply :
On 3/27/2017 at 9:04 AM, IndianaFinesse said:A cheaper option than the Nichols (or z-man) is the mushroom heads from Gopher tackle. They let you choose the weight, hook brand/type, hook size, and the color of the head. Here's a link http://www.gophertackle.com/mushroomjig.html. They are quite bit cheaper, and you can get exactly what you want.
I like those too! Thanks!
WildmanWilson reply :
I placed an order with Gopher tackle about 6 weeks ago and never got anything. I did get an email saying the order number but that was it. Never shipped it and I called and the voice mailbox was full. Sent emails with no reply. I can't do business with someone so unreliable. Looked like good product too.
Bluebasser86 reply :
Man, over $1 a jighead for a Ned rig head is highway robbery. It's not hard to lose 5-10 a trip thanks to the zebra mussels. Makes me really glad I'm not paying for them
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 4/1/2017 at 3:41 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Man, over $1 a jighead for a Ned rig head is highway robbery. It's not hard to lose 5-10 a trip thanks to the zebra mussels. Makes me really glad I'm not paying for them
Yep, I started pouring my own jig heads cause I couldn't stomach paying 1$ for each head that i knew I could make for 6¢. Paid for itself within three or four months.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 4/2/2017 at 10:15 AM, IndianaFinesse said:Yep, I started pouring my own jig heads cause I couldn't stomach paying 1$ for each head that i knew I could make for 6¢. Paid for itself within three or four months.
Exactly, even with the keepers and painting them, they're still below $.10 a head. It's how time consuming they are to make that is so frustrating. I wish Do-It or someone would listen to the actual needs of people fishing a Ned Rig (what is really considered a Ned Rig, not what they built this first mold for). I'd like the smaller sizes, but I also can tell that the keeper may not work in anything smaller. In that case, I wish they'd make like a 6-8 cavity of just 1/16 so I could get my main needs taken care of quickly. Pouring 1 tiny head at a time is mind numbing.
Skippy reply :
OK - so a quick question for everyone...
I live near Toronto and very few retailers have been stocking Z-man products for the Ned Rig...
SAIL has just started, but near as I can tell they only carry the 1/5 oz 'finesse shroomz 5-pack' - nothing lighter for some reason. They do carry the 'power finesse shroomz 3-pack' in as light as a 1/10 oz, but these have a much larger hook (nearly twice the length), and although it seems to be a stronger hook, I am concerned it might impede the action.
Anyone used the 'power finesse' over the standard 'finesse' z-man mushroom heads? Thoughts?
I'm planning on trying these myself, but seeing as bass season doesn't open up here until mid-June - I thought I would ask for others opinions who might have used both already.
Thanks
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 4/3/2017 at 7:08 AM, Skippy said:OK - so a quick question for everyone...
I live near Toronto and very few retailers have been stocking Z-man products for the Ned Rig...
SAIL has just started, but near as I can tell they only carry the 1/5 oz 'finesse shroomz 5-pack' - nothing lighter for some reason. They do carry the 'power finesse shroomz 3-pack' in as light as a 1/10 oz, but these have a much larger hook (nearly twice the length), and although it seems to be a stronger hook, I am concerned it might impede the action.
Anyone used the 'power finesse' over the standard 'finesse' z-man mushroom heads? Thoughts?
I'm planning on trying these myself, but seeing as bass season doesn't open up here until mid-June - I thought I would ask for others opinions who might have used both already.
Thanks
The "power finesse" heads aren't really a Ned rig anymore, the hook is so big and it weighs to much. The action would be killed, it would be hard to fish "no-feel", and it would snag more easily. They might be good for use as a shaky head or jig worm with a larger worm though, but for the ned rig it sounds like you'll have to order the components online.
RMax reply :
I believe in this now after avoiding the skunk with four largemouth and one rainbow trout! The color I used was green pumpkin orange on a 1/16th and I had to pause it a few times instead of keeping it just off the bottom.
S-T-R-I-K-E-R reply :
May I ask what are the limitations of the ned rig in terms of location? What type of composition would it excel in and what areas should i avoid using this rig?
thanks in advance
Smokinal reply :
On 4/12/2017 at 6:59 AM, S-T-R-I-K-E-R said:May I ask what are the limitations of the ned rig in terms of location? What type of composition would it excel in and what areas should i avoid using this rig?
thanks in advance
Like most will say, rocky bottoms are best (I have found) as it creeps over this cover well. I throw it in light grass but anything heavier for grass gets some other t-rigged plastic.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 4/12/2017 at 6:59 AM, S-T-R-I-K-E-R said:May I ask what are the limitations of the ned rig in terms of location? What type of composition would it excel in and what areas should i avoid using this rig?
thanks in advance
Here ya go, read paragraph 12 for the answer to your question.
BassOnKlinger reply :
Ned Rig is my confidence bait at my local pond. I caught five 1-pounders in 35 minutes the other day. Biggest was 1.85. Still looking for a bit more size. But a fish is a fish for me. It's a blast.
1/16th oz jig head
black and blue fleck ZMan TRD (used the same lure the entire time. Indestructible).
paleus reply :
I've been playing with trying to make the Ned rig weedless. I don't like the shroomz with the weed guards, they still get hung up and are heavier than I want. So far I've been rigging them this way:
That works pretty well to keep the hook from hanging on things and doesn't seem to impede the action. But, it still gets hung up in weeds due to the mushroom head.
So, I thought I would try this:
1/16th oz bullet weight pegged on a size 1 worm hook. I'm hoping this will come through grass and weeds better. Haven't fished it yet. The one problem I see so far is the worm is a little wider than the weight, so it may get pulled down on the hook. And this probably won't work well with split color TRDs since the eye is not off to the side, even though my favorite color is "the deal."
Smokinal reply :
On 4/30/2017 at 4:55 AM, paleus said:
so it may get pulled down on the hook.
Put a dap of super glue on it where it meets the hook if it does pull down.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 4/30/2017 at 4:55 AM, paleus said:I've been playing with trying to make the Ned rig weedless. I don't like the shroomz with the weed guards, they still get hung up and are heavier than I want. So far I've been rigging them this way:
That works pretty well to keep the hook from hanging on things and doesn't seem to impede the action. But, it still gets hung up in weeds due to the mushroom head.
So, I thought I would try this:
1/16th oz bullet weight pegged on a size 1 worm hook. I'm hoping this will come through grass and weeds better. Haven't fished it yet. The one problem I see so far is the worm is a little wider than the weight, so it may get pulled down on the hook. And this probably won't work well with split color TRDs since the eye is not off to the side, even though my favorite color is "the deal."
Not saying that it won't work, but I think the hook may be a little to large to allow the bait to shimmy and wiggle much.
paleus reply :
QuoteNot saying that it won't work, but I think the hook may be a little to large to allow the bait to shimmy and wiggle much.
I think you're right. That's the smallest worm hook I could find at Academy.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 4/30/2017 at 12:03 PM, paleus said:I think you're right. That's the smallest worm hook I could find at Academy.
Check out the Owner Rig N hook. They come in really small sizes but with a good gap for the fat little bait.
paleus reply :
On 4/30/2017 at 4:55 AM, paleus said:
1/16th oz bullet weight pegged on a size 1 worm hook.
So this works pretty good, even without the weight pegged (since my peg-its blew out). Caught 7 in about an hour. Also fished with a normal ned rig and caught just as many.
PaBassMan13 reply :
Ned Rig Bass
BPS 3" Stik-O in California Craw with a BPS 1/16 oz. Shroom Head. I have used the BPS Brand worm since last season and it has not disappointed one bit. I have caught some great numbers but a few very nice bass as well (along with a couple of 25"+ pickerel).
LOVE THE NED RIG!
PaBassMan13 reply :
New Ned Rig bait found this past weekend; works even better than a BPS Stik-O or a Z-Man TRD!
The MISSILE BAITS FUSE 4.4
21 Bass in 90 minutes of fishing in the rain on Saturday; WOW.....what a fun time. I am now a believer!
Yeajray231 reply :
Location and timing contributed to your success more than anything...
Does look nice though.
Ya know.. if you ask a real ned nerd (
) I'm pretty sure they will tell you a 4.4 inch piece of plastic is not a true Ned rig. Just sayin.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 5/16/2017 at 2:08 AM, PaBassMan13 said:*****URGENT MESSAGE*****
New Ned Rig bait found this past weekend; works even better than a BPS Stik-O or a Z-Man TRD!
The MISSILE BAITS FUSE 4.4
21 Bass in 90 minutes of fishing in the rain on Saturday; WOW.....what a fun time. I am now a believer!
Nice catch. And I just caught 32 bass in two hours with the ol standby half of a zinkerz.
fishwizzard reply :
On 3/29/2017 at 5:59 AM, WildmanWilson said:I placed an order with Gopher tackle about 6 weeks ago and never got anything. I did get an email saying the order number but that was it. Never shipped it and I called and the voice mailbox was full. Sent emails with no reply. I can't do business with someone so unreliable. Looked like good product too.
I had the same thing happen to me. Gopher always took a while to ship but they always answered the phone.
I firmly believe that even a #1 hook is too big for a 1/16oz head, but I cannot find anyone who offers, other than Gopher, a hook that small. The Zman heads are ok, but the hook is too brittle for my liking. It is killing me as the Ned was a standby and I am almost out of Gopher heads. I would love a lead on where to find some small-hooked heads.
Also, for a weedless option, look at the Owner Ultrahead 1/16oz w/ #1 hook and the Decoy Nailbomb head, also in 1/16oz w/ #1 hook. The hookup rate is worse than an open hook, but they are a great weedless option and still catch a ton of fish.
IndianaFinesse reply :
@Bunnielab I have yet to find or hear of a 1/16 ounce mushroom jig with a small enough hook for halves of zinkerzs or trds, other than gopher or zman, but something I would recommend considering is pouring your own. If you use the lil' nasty hooks (#4 and #2 lil nastys are my favorite hook I have tried, even better than owner IMO) they only cost 5¢ each to make plus lead costs. I get my lead for free, its not all that hard to find someplace willing to give you lead wheel nuts or something. If you pour your own, you can obviously choose whichever size and style of hook you want in addition to saving money. My favorite mold is the Midwest finesse mold with the wire keepers, although unfortunately only two of the cavities are light enough to be usable and the 3/32 ounce size is rarely used. Mine paid for itself within a few months.
PaBassMan13 reply :
On 5/16/2017 at 4:00 AM, Yeajray231 said:Location and timing contributed to your success more than anything...
Does look nice though.
Ya know.. if you ask a real ned nerd (
Actually; I read an article in Bassmaster a few months ago where Ned himself states that he also uses a Z man Hula Stick and a Z man ShadZ; both baits are 4" and almost 5" respectively. You don't necessarily need to use a 2.5-3" straight worm to be a Ned Rig. Z man also put out a 4" big trd so you can still officially have a Ned Rig with a 4" bait. Just sayin'
fishwizzard reply :
I have a hundred pounds or so of lead that I hoarded up years ago when I was looking to get into bullet casting. But as of now, I don't have the space or really the desire to get into pouring lead. It is just so odd that no one else sells heads with smaller hooks.
I hope Gopher comes back, or atleast sells the molds to someone who will keep them in production.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 5/16/2017 at 7:16 AM, PaBassMan13 said:Actually; I read an article in Bassmaster a few months ago where Ned himself states that he also uses a Z man Hula Stick and a Z man ShadZ; both baits are 4" and almost 5" respectively. You don't necessarily need to use a 2.5-3" straight worm to be a Ned Rig. Z man also put out a 4" big trd so you can still officially have a Ned Rig with a 4" bait. Just sayin'
Both the hula stickz and the finesse shadz are 4" long, according to the zman website. And not to be nitpicky, but he usually cuts the hula stickz down to three inches long for the record.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 5/16/2017 at 7:16 AM, PaBassMan13 said:Actually; I read an article in Bassmaster a few months ago where Ned himself states that he also uses a Z man Hula Stick and a Z man ShadZ; both baits are 4" and almost 5" respectively. You don't necessarily need to use a 2.5-3" straight worm to be a Ned Rig. Z man also put out a 4" big trd so you can still officially have a Ned Rig with a 4" bait. Just sayin'
Ned fishes the Finesse ShadZ, which is a 4" bait. You're right though, it doesn't have to a half ZinkerZ or TRD to be a Ned rig. This is a great Ned rig bait, but I didn't tell you that.
PaBassMan13 reply :
On 5/16/2017 at 8:01 AM, IndianaFinesse said:Both the hula stickz and the finesse shadz are 4" long, according to the zman website. And not to be nitpicky, but he usually cuts the hula stickz down to three inches long for the record.
Well; I could always cut an inch of the Fuse 4.4; then it would be a Fuse 3.4, haha.....just giving you a hard time : ) But seriously; if I see I'm not getting bites I would certainly not object to trimming it down a bit.
fishwizzard reply :
On 5/16/2017 at 2:52 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Ned fishes the Finesse ShadZ, which is a 4" bait. You're right though, it doesn't have to a half ZinkerZ or TRD to be a Ned rig. This is a great Ned rig bait, but I didn't tell you that.
I used to fish these all the time, but moved over to the small sized Batwingz trailer. I would cut the Punch Crawz down so the hook exited at the crotch of the "Y" on the craw's back. I find the Batwingz have a slower fall and have more action on a slow swim.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 5/17/2017 at 4:40 AM, Bunnielab said:
I used to fish these all the time, but moved over to the small sized Batwingz trailer. I would cut the Punch Crawz down so the hook exited at the crotch of the "Y" on the craw's back. I find the Batwingz have a slower fall and have more action on a slow swim.
The Punch CrawZ is one of my favorites on a very pressured lake, where I want next to no action from my bait, and it provides just that. I fish the whole thing on a 1/16oz head. I'm sure it stands and rocks pretty good on the pause, a lot like a real craw in a defensive posture.
fishwizzard reply :
Interesting. I don't think I ever fished one without trimming it down. I think a have a few left, I will have to give them a try.
SMBLifter reply :
Does anyone soak their elaztech baits in water before using them? Found a video of a guy testing buoyancy of them and when it was soaked in water for awhile it floated more. I'd imagine it's getting rid of some of the salt. What are your thoughts?
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 5/19/2017 at 11:52 PM, SMBLifter said:Does anyone soak their elaztech baits in water before using them? Found a video of a guy testing buoyancy of them and when it was soaked in water for awhile it floated more. I'd imagine it's getting rid of some of the salt. What are your thoughts?
It probably doesn't matter, the salt all gets soaked out in less than an hour of fishing anyways. But the ocd side of me soaks and stretches the salt out beforehand just cause. The buoyancy is somewhat a moot point in my opinion, its more about the softness and durability. Unless you are spending a lot of time dead sticking it, which I don't. I almost always use a swimming and shaking retrieve just above the bottom. So my thoughts are, soak the salt out if you want or just leave it, it probably doesn't matter anyways.
fishwizzard reply :
I stretch the TRDs a ton before I glue them on, but the zlinkers are soft enough as is and they loose their salt really really fast in any case.
I went wading yesterday and fished a the Ned almost the entire time. Caught some nice smallies, some very nice redbreasts, a few fallfish and a surprise stocker rainbow. The numbers were not what I was hoping for, but I am confident that the Ned will catch most anything that swims in small rivers.
desmobob reply :
On 5/19/2017 at 11:52 PM, SMBLifter said:Does anyone soak their elaztech baits in water before using them? Found a video of a guy testing buoyancy of them and when it was soaked in water for awhile it floated more. I'd imagine it's getting rid of some of the salt. What are your thoughts?
I stretch them a couple of times while holding them in the water. This rinses the salt out quickly and makes them buoyant right away.
Tight lines,
Bob
WildmanWilson reply :
On 5/16/2017 at 6:26 AM, Bunnielab said:
I had the same thing happen to me. Gopher always took a while to ship but they always answered the phone.
I firmly believe that even a #1 hook is too big for a 1/16oz head, but I cannot find anyone who offers, other than Gopher, a hook that small. The Zman heads are ok, but the hook is too brittle for my liking. It is killing me as the Ned was a standby and I am almost out of Gopher heads. I would love a lead on where to find some small-hooked heads.
Also, for a weedless option, look at the Owner Ultrahead 1/16oz w/ #1 hook and the Decoy Nailbomb head, also in 1/16oz w/ #1 hook. The hookup rate is worse than an open hook, but they are a great weedless option and still catch a ton of fish.
Well guess what. Exactly 3 months after I placed my order with Gopher Tackle it came in. There was a note inside stating he would call to get updates credit card information because I guess the other one expired. I didn't even want them now as I've bought others. I'm sure it's a good product but it's my first and last order.
fishwizzard reply :
I am just glad the guy is still alive. InFisherman did a little profile on the company and it seems like it has been scaled back to a one man operation.
Also, if you got some 1/16oz heads with #2 or 4 hooks, I will buy them from you if you don't want them
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 5/21/2017 at 11:21 AM, Bunnielab said:I am just glad the guy is still alive. InFisherman did a little profile on the company and it seems like it has been scaled back to a one man operation.
Also, if you got some 1/16oz heads with #2 or 4 hooks, I will buy them from you if you don't want them
I ordered some #4 hooks to do my own. Curious to see if they make a difference.
fishwizzard reply :
On 5/22/2017 at 3:18 AM, Bluebasser86 said:I ordered some #4 hooks to do my own. Curious to see if they make a difference.
I find that they snag a whole lot less and bass still get really well hooked. The only downside is that smaller panfish can now hook themselves instead at just knocking at the lure.
txchaser reply :
After a bit of reading it seems like Ned and the infish crew have moved to red or chartreuse heads. Trip reports almost always have red/chart, occassionaly blue on a black/blue bait.
I'm baffled that most of what I see in pictures are GP or black, and other colors are scarce. Am I missing something, or that just didn't translate into wide adoption? Or just one of those 'it worked one day so they keep doing it but no one really knows if it makes a difference' things?
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 2/4/2019 at 12:51 PM, txchaser said:After a bit of reading it seems like Ned and the infish crew have moved to red or chartreuse heads. Trip reports almost always have red/chart, occassionaly blue on a black/blue bait.
I'm baffled that most of what I see in pictures are GP or black, and other colors are scarce. Am I missing something, or that just didn't translate into wide adoption? Or just one of those 'it worked one day so they keep doing it but no one really knows if it makes a difference' things?
My main colors I use are red, chartreuse, candy purple, and pink. Those are also the main colors I sell every year in Ned rig heads. I think a lot of it is the same issue a lot of bass guys have with Midwest Finesse in general where they're almost scared to use the bright colors and the light weight with the little hook because a guy can't possibly outsmart a wary bass with anything but the most natural looking colors.
Jig Man reply :
I use several colors on mine. It is done for size so I can reach in the box and be sure I am picking up the weight that I want. Mine go brown, green, red, yellow from smallest to largest though I find that 1/16 and 3/32 are the most common sizes that I use and rarely go over 1/8 (red).
fishwizzard reply :
On 2/5/2019 at 1:42 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I think a lot of it is the same issue a lot of bass guys have with Midwest Finesse in general where they're almost scared to use the bright colors and the light weight with the little hook because a guy can't possibly outsmart a wary bass with anything but the most natural looking colors.
I 100% believe this is true. When I go a few weeks without fishing a Ned that #2 hook always looks a lot smaller then I remember and sometimes I hard to believe I can catch the same fish on it and a 5/0 XXX shank jig hook.
I prefer bright colors, mostly Red and Chart. Disregarding what the bass think of them, I find a bright head really helpful in guiding the lure around snaggy cover and guiding it where I want it in general. I am also often surprised at how many hits I detect by suddenly seeing my jig-head vanish. For river fishing it seems like the smallies swim at me fairly often after biting and the bright head vanishing often comes a second or so before I feel any pressure on the line or even see it move unnaturally.
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