Ugh Why St. Croix... Why 2024

JeziHogg reply :

So, I was excited for the release of the Avid X until I saw that they're still using those fugly reel seats.

http://stcroixrods.com/resources/newscenter/radical-fishing-rod-evokes-extreme-performance#.U8AB041dWr8

I'll stick to the LTB's...

Tywithay reply :

That's fuji's most comfortable seat. I love the new foregrip design too. The split grip is my deal breaker. So tired of them.

JeziHogg reply :

To each his own, I prefer having the blank exposed under the reel.

Tywithay reply :

It's slightly exposed. I like skeleton seats as well, but the Fuji sk is far from my favorite. I do like the ecs seat though. I have never noticed any enhanced sensitivity from any reel seat.

Cgrinder reply :

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Alonerankin2 reply :

Hey Iam still liking those myself, I am tired of split grips too... But idk... Doesn't seem to be a better alternative outside of Custom... Still more Rods to come.... Thanks for the link

Tywithay reply :

I don't understand the price point either. Very close to the LT, but with only a 15 year warranty. I'm intrigued, but not overly optimistic. If they had a full grip, I'd be more interested.

00 mod reply :

I like they still have a foregrip!!!!!!!!!

Jeff

Grantman83 reply :

That's the seat I prefer. Ecs right?

Alonerankin2 reply :

You're hand holds the rod Feel ends at you're hand, I believe a reels seat can make some difference in feel.. How much? Idk.. But I can feel more on certain reel seats than others

Jrob78 reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 8:35 AM, Grantman83 said:
That's the seat I prefer. Ecs right?

I prefer the ECS too. I've never heard the ECS called a deal breaker, it's the "standard" seat. The foregrip is what I can do without.

FishTank reply :

I won't pass judgement until I put one in my hands. The Avid was a great rod as is.

0119 reply :

Just imitating loomis in looks. Ten times better than those horrid bulbous grips thay are putting on their top of the line stuff.

Goose52 reply :

Look at the bright side - there might soon be a bunch of current-model Avids in the St. Croix bargain room...at about half price...

Dwight Hottle reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 9:10 AM, Goose52 said:

Look at the bright side - there might soon be a bunch of current-model Avids in the St. Croix bargain room...at about half price...[/quote.

X2

Smallmouth Hunter reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 9:10 AM, Goose52 said:
Look at the bright side - there might soon be a bunch of current-model Avids in the St. Croix bargain room...at about half price...

ill take 3.

ColdSVT reply :

I like it!

And i dont think the regular avid is goin anywhere

TrippyJai reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 6:51 AM, Tywithay said:
That's fuji's most comfortable seat. I love the new foregrip design too. The split grip is my deal breaker. So tired of them.

Those Fuji ECS reel seats are my favourite.

Capt.Bob reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 9:10 AM, Goose52 said:
Look at the bright side - there might soon be a bunch of current-model Avids in the St. Croix bargain room...at about half price...

On 7/12/2014 at 9:51 AM, Dwight Hottle said:

On 7/12/2014 at 9:10 AM, Goose52 said:

Look at the bright side - there might soon be a bunch of current-model Avids in the St. Croix bargain room...at about half price... [/quote.

X2

That will be sweet for those needing more. But right now I don't know what St Croix I could possibly want, but whats bad is if that happens I am sure there will be several,,,,,,, there just ain't no cure for this disease,

drew4779 reply :

I don't know the technical term for it but I love the reel seats on the new Fenwick HMG.

tomustang reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 7:54 AM, Tywithay said:
I don't understand the price point either. Very close to the LT, but with only a 15 year warranty. I'm intrigued, but not overly optimistic. If they had a full grip, I'd be more interested.

It's not far off, avids have jumped in price, $180-$250 for a caster now

Hi Salenity reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 1:03 PM, drew4779 said:
I don't know the technical term for it but I love the reel seats on the new Fenwick HMG.

Fuji SK2

Tim Kelly reply :

I like the look of the build! It's the only thing that stops me buying factory St Croix rods at the moment. I love their blanks and have built a load of rods on them, but their factory builds I hate. The reel seats, casting and spinning, are closer to what I like than anything else they build. Shame it's only on the Avid blanks and not their better quality blanks.

Capt.Bob reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 7:54 AM, Tywithay said:
I don't understand the price point either. Very close to the LT, but with only a 15 year warranty. I'm intrigued, but not overly optimistic. If they had a full grip, I'd be more interested.

As far as the warranty I would not put much faith in the 15 years. The ScIII blank if custom built still carries a full lifetime warranty, when St. Croix says 15 years I will believe it, till then I have seen to many previews be off on some of their particulars. Anyways, I can still find new Avids with complete grips and reel seats for under $180.00, just gotta shop around, and those are what I will be buying anyways.

Hogsticker reply :

Best looking rods they have produced to date Imo. No huge foregrip or exposed threads.

smalljaw67 reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 6:45 AM, JeziHogg said:

So, I was excited for the release of the Avid X until I saw that they're still using those fugly reel seats.

http://stcroixrods.com/resources/newscenter/radical-fishing-rod-evokes-extreme-performance#.U8AB041dWr8

I'll stick to the LTB's...

I thought I was the only one that didn't care for the Fuji ECS reel seat, well at least I'm not alone. I'm happy to see they integrated the foregrip and locking nut to hide those reel seat threads.

smalljaw67 reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 3:28 PM, Capt.Bob said:
As far as the warranty I would not put much faith in the 15 years. The ScIII blank if custom built still carries a full lifetime warranty, when St. Croix says 15 years I will believe it, till then I have seen to many previews be off on some of their particulars. Anyways, I can still find new Avids with complete grips and reel seats for under $180.00, just gotta shop around, and those are what I will be buying anyways.

The 15 years comes straight from St. Croix, and a tackle shop Owner I know said that all the SClll blanks will feature 15 year warranties.

S Hovanec reply :

LOVE the ECS seat. The ACS is the most uncomfortable thing I've ever held next to a Minima. Still on the fence about the SK2. Haven't fished one yet, just handled them in the shop.

I'm not a fan of foregrips on my bass rods, but this one looks tolerable and wouldn't be a dealbreaker. The split grip, I can do without. I'm not a huge fan, but my current favorite rod does sport a split grip.

On 7/12/2014 at 8:51 PM, smalljaw67 said:
The 15 years comes straight from St. Croix, and a tackle shop Owner I know said that all the SClll blanks will feature 15 year warranties.

Warranties have gotten out of hand. Glad to see them reigning them back in a bit. No reason to offer more than a 1 year IMO. If it doesn't blow up in the first couple outings, then there's no manufacturing defect.

Capt.Bob reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 9:42 PM, S Hovanec said:
Warranties have gotten out of hand. Glad to see them reigning them back in a bit. No reason to offer more than a 1 year IMO. If it doesn't blow up in the first couple outings, then there's no manufacturing defect.

To date all the SCIII blanks do have a Lifetime Warranty, at least on any rod from the USA, the imports are only 5 which I hope stays that way. I like the benefits to go to those that keep Americans working. But I like the lifetime Warranty and hope it stays on the Avid rods after this year, and it is kinda nice to use a rod for 15 or more years, and when a quality rod finally takes all the abuse I put it thru over those years break's, be able to return the pieces and have a brand new rod packed with all the new technologies for a fraction of the price of a new rod. Of course unless I was making money selling them?? To me this is just one thing that keeps St. Croix #1 for so many years, I hope they realize being the oldest and setting standards for world class as they have done for so many years don't reverse what has put them where they are today and start following those companies that came about after them, Leaders don't follow.

I am willing to pay a premium when I feel I am buying the best, and being backed by the best customer service available. Just my personal feelings, when they stop the Lifetime, I stop building, I could be set for life with all the Avids and Legends I own now, but sure hope I continue to have to have that new outfit every year, just because, but if they ever do change there policy on these American Made Blanks, I will live out my days with what I have already in my inventory, and smile every day I use them, I hope others can continue the same luxuries for the rest of their lives!

dam0007 reply :

What's the deal with the foregrip on bait cast rods I just don't understand. Dobyns/Powell is IMO the perfect look and set up for your index finger. Even my choice 13 rods big stupid locking nut to hide the threads. Spinning rods depending on how you cast is one thing. I'm not trying to be a smart arse. Someone please explain this.

Alonerankin2 reply :

Idk.. But 15 years? That's still quite a bit of time, surely there will be some fabulous change in rod blanks by then, then again, how good is good enough ? Avid 3 is good but if it ain't built right it won't matter, the USA avid is better than import, idk why, but it is, my opinion only

Hogsticker reply :

I think the reason for the foregrip is purely traditional. It provides no benefits other than possible balance. If a foregrip is to be used it should measure no longer than 3/4 inch, and not be fat in diameter. No foregrip is great as long as the threads on the reel seat are trimmed as far as possible. Nobody does that. It's likely easier to mass produce rods with a foregrip than cut a bunch of reel seats. I'm pretty sure Dobyns and Powell use the size 16 ecs and do no trimming. Falcon rods are the worst and it's a shame cause most of there blanks are above par.

Jrob78 reply :

On 7/12/2014 at 9:42 PM, S Hovanec said:
Warranties have gotten out of hand. Glad to see them reigning them back in a bit. No reason to offer more than a 1 year IMO. If it doesn't blow up in the first couple outings, then there's no manufacturing defect.

Exactly, this is a HUGE part of the reason prices keep going up.

Alonerankin2 reply :

I like a cork fore grip, even more when it has function this is on a heavy loomis fore grip is over 3" I can grip the rod and grab a net.. Without risking a rod break

dam0007 reply :

Interesting

00 mod reply :

I cast with two hands 90% of the time and when no flipping, pitching or side arm casting, I always ise the foregrip. Just the way I learned to cast at a young age. I do know I am in the minority though.

Jeff

Jrob78 reply :

On 7/13/2014 at 4:40 AM, 00 mod said:

I cast with two hands 90% of the time and when no flipping, pitching or side arm casting, I always ise the foregrip. Just the way I learned to cast at a young age. I do know I am in the minority though.

Jeff

Interesting. So you cast with a hand on the reel and one on the foregrip, vs. a hand on the reel and one on the butt?

ColdSVT reply :

^^ most of the time i cast with one hand on the reel when i pitchin or flippin

Long distance two hands...one on the reel and other on the butt...split grips or full grips i like em both lol

dam0007 reply :

I cast with trigger between my middle and ring finger. Then reel with it between pinky and ring with index on fore grip or blank. I've never needed extra leverage to handle the rod while freeing it for a net or anything. Only time I may need to do that is on the fly switching hands like in my pic<<<<< with that said I now see where I could make use of it... But still think it's hideous lol

dam0007 reply :

On 7/13/2014 at 6:21 AM, Jrob78 said:
Interesting. So you cast with a hand on the reel and one on the foregrip, vs. a hand on the reel and one on the butt?

a lot of saltwater guys with big conventional reels I've seen do that. Before worm gears were common.... Dammit I just aged myself

Alonerankin2 reply :

dam0007, I know where you're coming from, I also use this rod in salt, as well, on bigger harder running fish, I can pump that rod properly with that foregrip ... St. Croix stresses about grabbing a rod by the blank with you're hand/ fingers , Gary Loomis also says there's nothing harder on a rod, I don't fully understand it but I have broke one rod in 30 years by following certain guidelines.

Jrob78 reply :

I've seen plenty of people retrieve a bait with a hand on the foregrip, just never cast one that way.

dam0007 reply :

As far as these rods go the fact they now cover the threads is good. IMO if threads are showing with a reel locked down, then the craftsmanship looks incomplete and cheap.

dam0007 reply :

iabass8 reply :

Why a 15 year warranty isn't enough or is in question is beyond me. If after 15 years of fishing the rod breaks, that's on you. Obviously St. Croix has such amazing customer service that they are replacing it for next to nothing but show the company some respect and just buy a new one.

Alonerankin2 reply :

On 7/13/2014 at 8:35 AM, dam0007 said:
As far as these rods go the fact they now cover the threads is good. IMO if threads are showing with a reel locked down, then the craftsmanship looks incomplete and cheap.

That's a fine design who is the maker?

dam0007 reply :

On 7/13/2014 at 8:45 AM, Alonerankin2 said:
That's a fine design who is the maker?

I was referring to the avid x lol my sw combo is avid surf

Alonerankin2 reply :

I know, on X , but I thought it looked croix ( surf ) anyhow nice rig.

Tywithay reply :

New from St Croix.

Triumph X: http://www.tackledirect.com/st-croix-triumph-x-rods.html

Avid X Spinning: http://www.tackledirect.com/st-croix-avid-x-spinning-rods.html

Avid X Casting: http://www.tackledirect.com/st-croix-avid-x-casting-rods.html

Legend Trek Travel Rods: http://www.tackledirect.com/st-croix-legend-trek-rods.html

00 mod reply :

On 7/13/2014 at 6:21 AM, Jrob78 said:
Interesting. So you cast with a hand on the reel and one on the foregrip, vs. a hand on the reel and one on the butt?

Yep. I learned to throw a baitcaster when I was very young. 2-3yrs old. Back then I was so young, I had to grip the foregrip to be able to hold the rod and not launch it into the lake(which I did several times anyways). I never switched as I grew older. I will grab a screenshot from one of my videos to show. One hand on the foregrip and one hand right below reel with thumb on reel. Also helps you to get your hands back on the reel quicker for a right handed reel.

Jeff

00 mod reply :

On 7/13/2014 at 9:06 AM, Tywithay said:

New from St Croix.

Triumph X: http://www.tackledirect.com/st-croix-triumph-x-rods.html

Avid X Spinning: http://www.tackledirect.com/st-croix-avid-x-spinning-rods.html

Avid X Casting: http://www.tackledirect.com/st-croix-avid-x-casting-rods.html

Legend Trek Travel Rods: http://www.tackledirect.com/st-croix-legend-trek-rods.html

Travel rids....Awesome! Price....WOW!

Jeff

00 mod reply :

Check out this video: @ :40

or this one...about 2:20

Jeff

Jrob78 reply :

That's really cool, I've never seen anyone cast like that but it obviously works for you.

Mike2841 reply :

Having a lifetime warranty is nice, but I could live without one. I feel like the warranties have been built into the price for a lot of rods, but if manufacturers scale back the warranties will they also scale back the prices? Doubt it

TrippyJai reply :

Shimano and St Croix failed to get a piece of the full grip market that has made Dobyns so popular over the years. There aren't many options for a full grip cork rod anymore and there are lots of people who love cork. Check out the threads that asks foam or cork and you'll get what I mean.

On 7/12/2014 at 9:42 PM, S Hovanec said:
Warranties have gotten out of hand. Glad to see them reigning them back in a bit. No reason to offer more than a 1 year IMO. If it doesn't blow up in the first couple outings, then there's no manufacturing defect.

Absolutely. It'll teach people to take care of their gear. Some people use the warranty a lot and they are the reason why companies are making these changes.

Edit: Seems like Shimano is coming out with both a split grip and full grip. Can't wait.

SirSnookalot reply :

Just about every rod I own has a lifetime warranty, I've yet to send one in for warranty as I've never broken one that wasn't my fault.

I've had or used 3 St Croix rods in the past couple of years, none of them for any lenght of time. None of them were bad rods just not what I was looking for. I used a friend's 8' mojo surf for 2 days, great casting distance but the butt had this knarly handle, was uncomfortable. Bought an 8' tidemaster mh, was very light and a nice rod, I was looking for more of a mf tip, returned it. One of my Long Island stripers buddys living here in Florida had some kind of a St Croix for years, complained of a sore shoulder with it, gave it to me and I gave him my Redbone. Few days later I gave it back and he had just bought his own Redbone.

iabass8 reply :

On 7/13/2014 at 2:57 PM, SirSnookalot said:

Just about every rod I own has a lifetime warranty, I've yet to send one in for warranty as I've never broken one that wasn't my fault.

I've had or used 3 St Croix rods in the past couple of years, none of them for any lenght of time. None of them were bad rods just not what I was looking for. I used a friend's 8' mojo surf for 2 days, great casting distance but the butt had this knarly handle, was uncomfortable. Bought an 8' tidemaster mh, was very light and a nice rod, I was looking for more of a mf tip, returned it. One of my Long Island stripers buddys living here in Florida had some kind of a St Croix for years, complained of a sore shoulder with it, gave it to me and I gave him my Redbone. Few days later I gave it back and he had just bought his own Redbone.

Im having waffles for breakfast

tomustang reply :

Or it will deter them from buying, lifetime warranties are a selling point for most.

Grantman83 reply :

I don't see how people would have the gall to return a rod after 10 or more years of use lol. Maybe it is just me, but I couldn't. I have only ever had to use a warranty because of my stupidity. If a rod doesn't break In a year of good use, then the manufacturer has done a good job.

Yes I understand that the warranty has been built into the rod BUT I look at it like this.

I have several $300 rods. If those rods last me 10 years and break, that's 30 bucks a year and that is more than adequate for me.

Capt.Bob reply :

"Having a lifetime warranty is nice, but I could live without one. I feel like the warranties have been built into the price for a lot of rods, but if manufacturers scale back the warranties will they also scale back the prices? Doubt it"

Watch out, that makes sense!! Why would anyone pay extra for a warranty that is built into the price and not use it????? I hope they are not insane enough to think eliminating the lifetime warranty will change the price. But if you like paying for something you won't use, and think it is called ethical, so be it, I call it bad economics! Be real,,Look at this Avid X, same money as an Avid, the Avid rod or blank is lifetime, the X isn't, and uses less material and cheaper components to build it,,,,,,,buy ten then and go for it, makes sense to me!! But don't bash those for using what they pay for, and please come back to reality and realize, this is a company who has grown more, for longer, and imported less than any other company making the same products in the USA for the last half century, and are making money doing it! They appreciate your contribution I am sure, but I doubt they expect it. In over 20 years and 30 or more rods, so many used seldom who knows how old, and spending more than a few thousand dollars on their rods, I feel quite comfortable using my warranty twice regardless how old they were!!! I hope I don't bankrupt them, especially when last year they got $70.00 for the replacement, which was probably close to paying for the materials they had in the rod!! Be real,,,,,PLEASE!!

I can't understand why anyone would not want what they pay for, but I see it everyday with a lot of imports people waste their money on,,,, I expect a 300 dollar rod to last longer than a 100 dollar imported rod, and have the gull to admit it, now since I also sleep well, I think I will take a nap,,,,,

Jrob78 reply :

I'm sorry, if you take back a 15 yr old rod and expect a free warranty replacement, you're a flawed guy. If there is a built in replacement fee to cover the manufacturers costs then that's a different story. My high end rods are all customs so I don't really know how the warranty system works but breaking an old rod isn't the manufacturers fault.

Alonerankin2 reply :

Yea, I don't do warranty s for the sake of doing it for advantage, having a good company replace my rod if truly a defect? Is all I ask for. That doesn't happen for me, I have never sent a rod back for warranty, hasn't been a need, after 15 yrs? Wow! That's all I can say, is wow!

Capt.Bob reply :

On 7/14/2014 at 4:17 AM, Jrob78 said:
I'm sorry, if you take back a 15 yr old rod and expect a free warranty replacement, you're a flawed guy. If there is a built in replacement fee to cover the manufacturers costs then that's a different story. My high end rods are all customs so I don't really know how the warranty system works but breaking an old rod isn't the manufacturers fault.

Like I said, I gave $70.00 as for the replacement, that model had seen 5 updates, quite worth it and costing Croix very little, probably covers what St Croix has in materials. The fact is they think there is a reason for more than 5 or 10 years or that would be the limit. It is a senseless argument to say everybody abuses a warranty in any time limit, and is viewing one theory of use and not the whole picture, some Tournament fisherman put more use and abuse on a rod that I would never subject a rod to, and in one years time may use it as much as I do some of my 10 or 15 year old rods, and they don't deteriorate setting in the closet!! You have to think about more than the way you use your equipment.

As for a built up blank, all my customs are warranted the same as the rods built by Croix, but since the only thing St. Croix builds is the Blank, that is all they cover, all components and labor are backeb by my builder for life! The way it should be when you pay a premium for an expert to build something better than is available for less with a lifetime warranty. If I abused my equipment or bought a couple rods and wore them out I could see your view, but most don't do that, I take care of my equipment and pay a premium to buy it once and that is what I expect when I pay that premium!

iabass8 reply :

On 7/14/2014 at 3:22 AM, Capt.Bob said:

"Having a lifetime warranty is nice, but I could live without one. I feel like the warranties have been built into the price for a lot of rods, but if manufacturers scale back the warranties will they also scale back the prices? Doubt it"

Watch out, that makes sense!! Why would anyone pay extra for a warranty that is built into the price and not use it????? I hope they are not insane enough to think eliminating the lifetime warranty will change the price. But if you like paying for something you won't use, and think it is called ethical, so be it, I call it bad economics! Be real,,Look at this Avid X, same money as an Avid, the Avid rod or blank is lifetime, the X isn't, and uses less material and cheaper components to build it,,,,,,,buy ten then and go for it, makes sense to me!! But don't bash those for using what they pay for, and please come back to reality and realize, this is a company who has grown more, for longer, and imported less than any other company making the same products in the USA for the last half century, and are making money doing it! They appreciate your contribution I am sure, but I doubt they expect it. In over 20 years and 30 or more rods, so many used seldom who knows how old, and spending more than a few thousand dollars on their rods, I feel quite comfortable using my warranty twice regardless how old they were!!! I hope I don't bankrupt them, especially when last year they got $70.00 for the replacement, which was probably close to paying for the materials they had in the rod!! Be real,,,,,PLEASE!!

I can't understand why anyone would not want what they pay for, but I see it everyday with a lot of imports people waste their money on,,,, I expect a 300 dollar rod to last longer than a 100 dollar imported rod, and have the gull to admit it, now since I also sleep well, I think I will take a nap,,,,,

Nobody is saying that you shouldn't use the warranty if they'll let you. If after 15 years your rod breaks because you were trying to get a lure unsnagged and you send it into St. Croix and they'll give you a new rod for scraps then by all means do it. What you need to realize is that for someone like yourself that spouts and promotes that he wants to use American-made products that are made in the United States by anAmerican company, you are doing nothing to help the company when you're sending in a 15-year-old rod that you broke and getting a new one . After that long you're costing the company money.

Capt.Bob reply :

On 7/14/2014 at 4:49 AM, iabass8 said:
Nobody is saying that you shouldn't use the warranty if they'll let you. If after 15 years your rod breaks because you were trying to get a lure unsnagged and you send it into St. Croix and they'll give you a new rod for scraps then by all means do it. What you need to realize is that for someone like yourself that spouts and promotes that he wants to use American-made products that are made in the United States by anAmerican company, you are doing nothing to help the company when you're sending in a 15-year-old rod that you broke and getting a new one . After that long you're costing the company money.

Give me a break!! Do you have any idea what you are talking about, or just justifying your ethics?? I will venture to say I support St. Croix FAR BETTER than most that are doing the ethics knocking and assure you they are not going broke because of me, Quite the contrary!! I just wonder how many of the dollars I spent for Lifetime warranties built into there prices everyone else has cashed in on?? You say poor St Croix,,,,I say poor Captain!! These are just a few Avids, Legend Elite's, Extreme's Tournament's, and Ultra's, the ones in the house not the 4 or 5 in the boat lockers or the ones I have sold off over the years, and 90% of them bought new. You guy's need to worry more about other things and realize you are no authority on my ethics!! I can bet money when I pass through the Pearly gates they aren't going to open the books and ask me about my warranty history with St. Croix, you should have far more important things to be concerned about. I can assure you St. Croix is well aware of the support they get from me, every time they ask mt zip code!!

iabass8 reply :

On 7/14/2014 at 6:42 AM, Capt.Bob said:
Give me a break!! Do you have any idea what you are talking about, or just justifying your ethics?? I will venture to say I support St. Croix FAR BETTER than most that are doing the ethics knocking and assure you they are not going broke because of me, Quite the contrary!! I just wonder how many of the dollars I spent for Lifetime warranties built into there prices everyone else has cashed in on?? You say poor St Croix,,,,I say poor Captain!! These are just a few Avids, Legend Elite's, Extreme's Tournament's, and Ultra's, the ones in the house not the 4 or 5 in the boat lockers or the ones I have sold off over the years, and 90% of them bought new. You guy's need to worry more about other things and realize you are no authority on my ethics!! I can bet money when I pass through the Pearly gates they aren't going to open the books and ask me about my warranty history with St. Croix, you should have far more important things to be concerned about. I can assure you St. Croix is well aware of the support they get from me, every time they ask mt zip code!!

First off, I didn't say anything was "unethical" or "unjustifiable". I even opened stating that nobody says you shouldn't do it. I'll break this down very simply for you. Nobody is arguing your admirable loyalty to a company. I really don't understand the heaven reference...I mean I get it, but nobody said bob's not going to heaven because he shouldn't have warrantied a fishing rod....

Bob loves St. Croix and cannot see himself using a different rod. They make everything he wants in a rod so naturally he would want this company to thrive and be around for his grandkids.

Bob buys rod in 1990 for 200$

Bob breaks rod in 2005 (this is after 15 years)

Bob asks for rod to be warrantied to which St. Croix obliges to the sum or 70$ even those it was his fault.

Bob then sends in a 15 year old broken rod that is promptly thrown away and receives a brand new one that has been updated X amount of times over the course of 15 years.

Instead of just buying a new one and supporting a company he wants to be around for a long time, he costs to company more than the price of the rod. (your 15 year old broken rod holds 0$ valu-this figure can be attained by looking up your serial number /w the rod value system they provide via their website. you were given a free 200$ rod + the labor)

Now I'm not saying what you, or anybody for that matter, did was "wrong" or "unethical". I mean you get a new rod for next to nothing...that's great. I'm simply saying as a WHOLE, when people do this, they are costing a company money after X amount of years that does play a part in price increases. Now what the set amount of years should be, I don't know. But I believe you can unarguably say that if you break a rod after 15 years of ownership, you should chalk that one up to a solid 15 years and not expect anything in return; even if they will replace it being 100% your fault and not their responsibility.

iabass8 reply :

x2 post

dam0007 reply :

On 7/13/2014 at 8:59 AM, Alonerankin2 said:
I know, on X , but I thought it looked croix ( surf ) anyhow nice rig.

why thank you

Capt.Bob reply :

On 7/14/2014 at 4:49 AM, iabass8 said:
What you need to realize is that for someone like yourself that spouts and promotes that he wants to use American-made products that are made in the United States by anAmerican company, you are doing nothing to help the company when you're sending in a 15-year-old rod that you broke and getting a new one . After that long you're costing the company money.

I think you missed your point, mine is I do way more than MOST to support this company, I just thought maybe if you didn't understand, the picture would help,,,,,,guess I was wrong!! You win my dealings with ST. Croix show no support and they would go broke if they had more customers like me,,,,,OK U win!! now I feel bad,,,,,,

iabass8 reply :

On 7/14/2014 at 7:37 AM, Capt.Bob said:
I think you missed your point, mine is I do way more than MOST to support this company, I just thought maybe if you didn't understand, the picture would help,,,,,,guess I was wrong!! You win my dealings with ST. Croix show no support and they would go broke if they had more customers like me,,,,,OK U win!! now I feel bad,,,,,,

Okay well nothing in there was coherent enough to understand so I'll elaborate on the bold portion of my post that you quoted to which I believe you are saying that I missed my own point?

" like yourself that spouts and promotes that he wants to use American-made products that are made in the United States by anAmerican company, you are doing nothing to help the company when you're sending in a 15-year-old rod "

I'm not entirely sure what you don't understand about that....I mean I even laid out in, what I believed, was a very simple explanation of what this meant...I really can't make it much more simple for you to make the leap. I apologize. I guess I'll try to break that line down so you understand it. If it isn't simple enough, then I'm sorry there's not much more I can do.

St. Croix is made in America

St. Croix rods employs hard working Americans

Bob loves America

Bob loves fishing thus

Bob loves St. Croix.

Bob breaks fishing rod after 15 years of use.

Bob could buy a new rod at retail or even a % discount during a sale to support the company he loves and supports to ensure the rod company is making money.

Bob instead returns broken rod after 15 years and receives a more than generous offer of a new rod for essentially 1/3 of the cost

Bob costs St. Croix money by doing this.

Again, I'm by no means saying "DON'T USE THE WARRANTY BOB YOU'RE GOING TO KILL A COMPANY ON U.S SOIL #MERIKA". I'm merely stating, again..as a whole for anybody that does this, you are contributing to price increases and costing one of the few U.S based rod companies money.

Alonerankin2 reply :

Geez, guys give it a break..... Not a rod though

Is Irene on strike or?

Capt.Bob reply :

Yes, but sorry all you worried about me closing the doors on St Croix, but I will use everything I pay for, it might brake a foreign company, but I think St. Croix has displayed quite well for over half a century that it is capable of handling its finances on it's own and quite capable of making money while offering benefits most can afford but won't!! As long as it uses American labor to do it!! But I appreciate your concern! Just got a new Stradic Ci4+ 1000FA, everything the original wasn't, maybe I will by a new 6'6" light LE blank while I can still get the Lifetime warranty,,,,, give me a reason to get rid of my IMX 6' LF, just to help cover their expenses of honoring my warranty last year of course,,,,,

Next time you have a wreck and it's your fault, save me some premium costs will ya, and be responsible and pay all the damages yourself,,,,,

00 mod reply :

OK, we are way off topic and going in the wrong direction.

Good Night Irene

Jeff

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