Well, if you read my other post you would know that I picked up a Citica 201E last night at what I thought was a decent buy, but not sure. I have read a lot about these reels, and have found that the Citica and Curado have a cult like following, and not sure why? I pulled the spool bearings on it last night, and soaked them in Mineral Spirits to clean the grease out. I have found Mineral Spirits to work extremely well for this type of procedure. I then let the bearings dry on a paper towel over night.
I woke up due to the excitement of my new reel, and could not wait to get to finishing the job at hand. I spun the bearings on the tip of a pencil, and they spun fast and free. I put a drop of Reel Butter bearing lube on each bearing and let it soak in. I then wiped the excess oil off and installed the bearings back in the reel. I spun the spool and it was much smoother and faster than before. I spooled it up with 30# Power Pro and tied on a mouse and headed for the pond, a two minute walk from my front door.
I arrive at the pond, and my expectations are not very high, as I have always been a Abu fan. I set 3 brakes to the on position, and adjust the spool tension. I now proceed to unleash my first cast with my new Citica 201E....... I bring the rod back, and let it load, and swoosh..... this reel is a rocket launcher!!!!!! It is by far the smoothest and best casting reel I have ever held in my hands. I could not be any more happy, and feel this is by far the best $49.00 I've ever spent on any fishing gear. I now understand what all the hype is with these reels. I bought a Pro Qualifier about a month ago, and it does not even come close to the Citica.
Now having said this, I can't imagine how a Curado, could be any better, but I now want to find out.
Welcome to the Posse!
Traitor!!!
I cant talk I have one also but the rest are all REVOS!!!!!!!!!!!!
it is a nice reel though
Don't buy a Zillion!
On 8/1/2012 at 8:06 PM, mabasshunter said:Now having said this, I can't imagine how a Curado, could be any better, but I now want to find out.
Lighter Spool, brass brake pins instead of plastic, Ti coated line guide instead of SiC, larger grips, and an extra bearing for smoothness. Both great reels, the Citica has always been my favorite in that price range.
On 8/1/2012 at 8:42 PM, roadwarrior said:Welcome to the Posse!
What he said! Welcome to the club.
On 8/1/2012 at 8:52 PM, new2BC4bass said:Don't buy a Zillion!
It's not a Shimano so I won't
Its all over now! It starts with one, then its collecting them all!
On 8/1/2012 at 9:53 PM, LgMouthGambler said:Its all over now! It starts with one, then its collecting them all!
I have one and one is where I will stay I have no ambition to get any more shimano's unless there spinning reels MAYBE. I will say I do like my Citica it gets used as much as my Revo SX does just as a soft plastics reel and the Revo is my jigging and flipping set up they are great reels for the money especially when u get them at 50bucks or less like the OP and my self as well as many others here if I remember correctly.
Thanks for leaving more for us!On 8/1/2012 at 10:50 PM, clayton86 said:I have one and one is where I will stay I have no ambition to get any more shimano's unless there spinning reels MAYBE. I will say I do like my Citica it gets used as much as my Revo SX does just as a soft plastics reel and the Revo is my jigging and flipping set up they are great reels for the money especially when u get them at 50bucks or less like the OP and my self as well as many others here if I remember correctly.
On 8/1/2012 at 9:32 PM, mabasshunter said:It's not a Shimano so I won't
Thank god, if people ever switched from SHE-MAN-O there wouldn't be anymore zillions left for us! LOL
Edit: Ooops, LMG beat me to the punch line, but with SHE-MAN-O instead
On 8/1/2012 at 10:56 PM, LgMouthGambler said:Thanks for leaving more for us!
No problem I may actually be selling my Citica not sure if I will or not I may keep it for back up.
BC, keep your Zillions. We don't WANT them.
On 8/1/2012 at 11:00 PM, deep said:BC, keep your Zillions. We don't WANT them.
I didn't know those words could be used in the same sentence, dont, want, zillion?
Rather have a Core over a Zillion anyday.
Overly attached BassClary:
On 8/1/2012 at 11:26 PM, deep said:Overly attached BassClary:
Deep, I seriously just pee'd of laughter!!!!
I see you also are a meme fan, lol
here we go the Shimano v. Abu v. Diawa now with meme lol
I'd take the Core anyday over zillion, but for the price of either of those, I'd take the same features and a few more and go with - 2 - Lew's Tournament Pro's, same size as the lighter Core 6.7 oz., better drag 14lbs., more line capacity than the Core, and nicer handle and ergonomics! and be welcomed to the hole in the wall gang!! bring your posse, is that spelled correct??
On 8/1/2012 at 8:06 PM, mabasshunter said:I could not be any more happy, and feel this is by far the best $49.00 I've ever spent on any fishing gear.
I own a lot of tackle. Far too much. Way more reels than I can ever hope to use on a given day. That being said, my Citicas see more use than any other reel I own. The Curados are just a little smoother, and will cast lighter baits just a little better. The larger knobs are nice as well. Dollar for dollar though, the Citica 200E series are extremely hard to beat. Just a solid workhorse reel. I beat mine to death in both fresh and saltwater. Other than routine maintenance, I haven't had to do a thing to them. Trouble free reels. Just make sure you clean out the factory sludge that Shimano covers their reels in.
On 8/1/2012 at 11:32 PM, clayton86 said:here we go the Shimano v. Abu v. Diawa now with meme lol
but anyways, citicas are great, and for $50 you basically stole it! I would've done the same things, wouldn't even look twice!
Another believer and a member of the tribe.
Keep on chucking those Shimano's!!!!
Great post, too.
Count me in the posse', two Calcutta's, 2 Curado's, and a Citica. This is not a have v. have not question. I want a Chronarch to see how good it is, since it is a level above the Curado. My question is: What does the Core offer that it is basically twice as much as the Chronarch. Is it a durability thing, the lighter weight or just knowing you have the top Shimano? I understand it has more expensive components, but does it fish that much better? I was strictly an Abu guy until I made my first cast with a Calcutta.
Mike
On 8/2/2012 at 3:47 AM, Diggy said:
What on earth Gods green earth is this, and what are they doing?
On 8/2/2012 at 8:17 AM, Michael DiNardo said:Count me in the posse', two Calcutta's, 2 Curado's, and a Citica. This is not a have v. have not question. I want a Chronarch to see how good it is, since it is a level above the Curado. My question is: What does the Core offer that it is basically twice as much as the Chronarch. Is it a durability thing, the lighter weight or just knowing you have the top Shimano? I understand it has more expensive components, but does it fish that much better? I was strictly an Abu guy until I made my first cast with a Calcutta.
Mike
What the Core offers is the incredible lightness of a magnesium reel, you really need to handle one to beleive it, problem is, once you´ve tried one you hardly want anything else. Comes with a price but I think is well worth it.
On 8/2/2012 at 8:36 AM, mabasshunter said:What on earth Gods green earth is this, and what are they doing?
celebrating your good fortune
On 8/2/2012 at 9:20 AM, Diggy said:celebrating your good fortune
Excellent....... I love to celebrate.
Sounds good, I can understand that.On 8/2/2012 at 8:39 AM, Raul said:What the Core offers is the incredible lightness of a magnesium reel, you really need to handle one to beleive it, problem is, once you´ve tried one you hardly want anything else. Comes with a price but I think is well worth it.
Mike
On 8/1/2012 at 11:12 PM, LgMouthGambler said:Rather have a Core over a Zillion anyday.
You're crazy.
I'm shimano through and through, but the Zillion is a far better reel for moving baits. The ONLY thing the Core has going for it is its weight. I love my Zillions and I won't trade them for anything but a Calais- which I have, and the Zillion is STILL comparable.
I love my Curados, but they aren't perfect. They are inconsistant from one reel to another, but I'm willing to live with that as they perform up to my standards and I can break them down thoroughly to clean. Also, ordering parts from Shimano is easy as well.
I just hope the next generation Curados aren't a step back or I'll be moving on to another brand. I've been playing around with the Lews and they are impressive.
This wasn't a topic, this was a party. Love it!!!
Hootie
Children must play. When you Boy's become men and have a home and family, you will learn to appreciate the smaller things in life (like a fishing reel). It's amazing how the children on most of the online forums enjoy ruining posts and well, acting their age.
Lets dance!On 8/2/2012 at 6:26 PM, hootiebenji said:This wasn't a topic, this was a party. Love it!!!
Hootie
On 8/2/2012 at 8:11 PM, LgMouthGambler said:Lets dance!
Okay, here goes.
Hootie
Oh boy, Getting all giddy over a reel that shimano has already discontinued! Once the NOS E's are gone? The Chronarch will set you back over $200. The down graded G series doesn't seem as smooth and feels just that "a downgrade"compared to the E(I'd grab my E series over the G any day).
Personally, I'd rather vest in a company that upgrades their reels and improves the performance while its charging more for them. Old technology usually gets sold at a reduced rate, Because its just that old technology! Not one of the Daiwa, Abu, Lews new stuff is a downgrade and most are complete revamps with more options. The Daiwa Lexa's and the Abu Revo's aren't step backwards reels.
I used to be in the Shimano camp, But I guess I didn't drink the cool-aide!
Only downgrade with the Shimano was not puting the bearings in the knobs.
I'd like to hear what the other members that have fished both the E and G series have to say.
Its not just the bearings in the handle IMHO. The G's just feel like a Caenan in sheeps clothing. Plus the Caenan's reliability has been less than steller. I'm actually afraid to fish my G series(both citica and curado) all that hard! Will they fail like the Caenan's?
Might explain why the E series Curado's are selling for more(on ebay) now than they did before! You might have a pot of gold if you have a new in box(unused) Curado. I sold a used one for close to what I paid for it new.
On 8/5/2012 at 10:33 AM, LgMouthGambler said:Only downgrade with the Shimano was not puting the bearings in the knobs.
also add the line guide insert, nicer machined handle & star drag on the E7~the G falls between the old E7 & the Citica...i have all E7's and wont buy the G, feels cheap in my hands and had been cheapened no matter how ya slice it. price reflects over all quality, it were the same across the board quality it would be priced accordingly but its not.
guarantee if someone offered anyone the choice, heres a NIB E7 or NIB G which would ya choose, no question the E7 all day long.
if i were to buy another, it'd be the Chronarch E which is essentially more as the old curado E7.
On 8/6/2012 at 12:05 AM, Frog Turds said:the G, feels cheap in my hands
That pretty much nails my feelings too! Cheap it is!!
I have a Citica G, and it sees a lot of use being my Spook reel. I have no problems with it. Tore it down and lubed it my way and it feels better than new. The next reel that i pllan to purchase is the Chronarch 50E for my spinnerbaits, but after that I will be grabbing a Curado G for my collection as well. I have no doubts of them, Ive seen some pretty big fish pulled with them and no problems. I would still rather fish that than a Lews knowing Shimanos design is proven.On 8/5/2012 at 10:28 PM, jj said:I'd like to hear what the other members that have fished both the E and G series have to say.
Its not just the bearings in the handle IMHO. The G's just feel like a Caenan in sheeps clothing. Plus the Caenan's reliability has been less than steller. I'm actually afraid to fish my G series(both citica and curado) all that hard! Will they fail like the Caenan's?
Might explain why the E series Curado's are selling for more(on ebay) now than they did before! You might have a pot of gold if you have a new in box(unused) Curado. I sold a used one for close to what I paid for it new.
On 8/6/2012 at 1:15 AM, LgMouthGambler said:I have a Citica G, and it sees a lot of use being my Spook reel. I have no problems with it. Tore it down and lubed it my way and it feels better than new. The next reel that i pllan to purchase is the Chronarch 50E for my spinnerbaits, but after that I will be grabbing a Curado G for my collection as well. I have no doubts of them, Ive seen some pretty big fish pulled with them and no problems. I would still rather fish that than a Lews knowing Shimanos design is proven.
X2.... I will now be switching over to all Shimano baitcast reels. I took a good look at the Citica and Curado G Seires and they are fine reels. They do not look or feel cheap, and they are smooth.
since you've never owned an E7 your not gonna know the difference anyways now are ya?
On 8/6/2012 at 6:06 AM, Frog Turds said:since you've never owned an E7 your not gonna know the difference anyways now are ya?
I have a Citica E and the G is not much different if at all, so I doubt the E7 is any different. I just got back from looking at the Carado and Citica G and they will be fine for my inteneded use. They both felt as smooth as my E seires.
Personally, the g series curado body felt too large and awkard with their cannen body. The refinement wasnt there to give me a reason to switch from a proven design. The G series reels wwill probably work and perform just fine but those of us that use the E (not all people) understand the disappointment. All of my 201 and 51E curados still perform flawlessly and are always enjoyable to fish. However the only "citica" i own now is 2 curados /w citica gears so i cant speak about citica Es.
Umm...I own a Chronarch E7, Curado E7, Curado 50E, Citica E, Citica G, soon a Chronarch 50E, and Curado G7. But I dont know what Im talking about since all I fish is ShimanoOn 8/6/2012 at 6:06 AM, Frog Turds said:since you've never owned an E7 your not gonna know the difference anyways now are ya?
I think it was directed at the other guy, im assumingOn 8/6/2012 at 7:03 AM, LgMouthGambler said:Umm...I own a Chronarch E7, Curado E7, Curado 50E, Citica E, Citica G, soon a Chronarch 50E, and Curado G7. But I dont know what Im talking about since all I fish is Shimano
On 8/6/2012 at 7:03 AM, LgMouthGambler said:Umm...I own a Chronarch E7, Curado E7, Curado 50E, Citica E, Citica G, soon a Chronarch 50E, and Curado G7. But I dont know what Im talking about since all I fish is Shimano
Thats my buddy. You tell em guy. I doubt anyone on here knows more about Shimano than LMG.
Maybe DVT, but thats about it.
Hootie
How did I know that this was going to come about. Lets dance again!On 8/6/2012 at 7:17 AM, hootiebenji said:Thats my buddy. You tell em guy. I doubt anyone on here knows more about Shimano than LMG.
Maybe DVT, but thats about it.
Hootie
On 8/6/2012 at 7:17 AM, hootiebenji said:Thats my buddy. You tell em guy. I doubt anyone on here knows more about Shimano than LMG.
Maybe DVT, but thats about it.
Hootie
LMG still needs some cores. calaiseseseseseses, tranxes/calcuttas for saltwater and a few caenans for the baby mommas
Shimano owes him these luxuries for his online marketing campaign , they should throw in some Cumaras also for good measure
Thats what Im saying! Help a brother out! I just broke the Clarus that they sent me a week ago under warranty!On 8/6/2012 at 7:22 AM, Diggy said:LMG still needs some cores. calaiseseseseseses, tranxes/calcuttas for saltwater and a few caenans for the baby mommas
Shimano owes him these luxuries for his online marketing campaign , they should throw in some Cumaras also for good measure
On 8/6/2012 at 7:21 AM, LgMouthGambler said:How did I know that this was going to come about. Lets dance again!
http://www.bassresou...imano-g-series/
On 8/3/2012 at 5:22 PM, LgMouthGambler said:The Chronarch E is a totally different horse.Citica is a great reel for intro users, Curado a bit better, and the Chronarch......well, that is sweetness.
The Curado e is a twin to the chronarchs. No?
We'll from your post in this thread. I see you might have done some back pedaling. That's OK we know your slightly biased about Shimano. A proud posse member. I used to be too, So don't get me wrong here! You'll have a tough time getting me to part with my 50e. I'm thrilled with my supertuned citica 201E6 as well. Probably should have kept my 201E6 Curado. I'm not as thrilled with the g's. Maybe a supertuned/upgraded one would change something?
Once I sell my old boat I'll be able to get some new stuff. I'll start with a Chronarch 201E5 for my medium cranks for now. Maybe a Core 50mg if the boss doesn't notice. There will be a few other brands mixed in JIC. The new Daiwa Lexa is looking good in its price range. And I just have to try one of the new Revo's(probably the winch). My son wants the new SX.
Now if Shimano want to sponser me, Then I'd be too!
On 8/6/2012 at 6:21 AM, mabasshunter said:I have a Citica E and the G is not much different if at all, so I doubt the E7 is any different. I just got back from looking at the Carado and Citica G and they will be fine for my inteneded use. They both felt as smooth as my E seires.
your assuming since you never had one, but there is a quality difference. even moreso compared to the Citica E vs E7...better spool on the E7, Citica has plastic pins for the weights & a lesser quality spool itself, a bushing in the bottom of the crank shaft vs bearing, no bearings in the Citca knobs and lesser quality knobs. besides several other things already mentioned like line guide insert, handle & the star drag quality differences...
so ya the E7 is different & a much better reel. upgrade the bearings to ABEC 7 ceramics on the E7 & you really have a super solid fine reel all the way around...
never said the others were bad per se...
That was Citica G vs Curado G. We are on Curado E and Curafo G now, and the fact that its not much of a downgrade.On 8/6/2012 at 7:53 AM, jj said:http://www.bassresou...imano-g-series/
The Curado e is a twin to the chronarchs. No?
We'll from your post in this thread. I see you might have done some back pedaling. That's OK we know your slightly biased about Shimano. A proud posse member. I used to be too, So don't get me wrong here! You'll have a tough time getting me to part with my 50e. I'm thrilled with my supertuned citica 201E6 as well. Probably should have kept my 201E6 Curado. I'm not as thrilled with the g's. Maybe a supertuned/upgraded one would change something?
Once I sell my old boat I'll be able to get some new stuff. I'll start with a Chronarch 201E5 for my medium cranks for now. Maybe a Core 50mg if the boss doesn't notice. There will be a few other brands mixed in JIC. The new Daiwa Lexa is looking good in its price range. And I just have to try one of the new Revo's(probably the winch). My son wants the new SX.
Now if Shimano want to sponser me, Then I'd be too!
While "it may not be much", i believe the basis of most arguments of e vs g is since the curado e is still readily avaliable NIB theres no reason to buy a lesser "newer" version of the curado when the E is without a doubt a better reel when it comes down to it. A downgrade is a downgrade.I'm sure the G is/will be a good reel and some will prefer it but as a poster said before if somebody came up to you and gave you the option of a curado e or curado g most will agree that choice is a no brainer.
Technical differences aside i personally feel the biggest mistake they made with the curado g was giving it the cannen body. I may even own one downgrade aside if it werent for that.
Its just a cosmetic design, like a new car body. Shimano has always tried to make the reel series' look similar.
I can say that Shimano's customer service is FANTASTIC! I called them Wednesday to tell them I did not receive the accessories with my new Citica 201E. Today I received a package from Shimano with two bottles of oil, tool, manuals, extra brake pads and a bunch of Shimano stickers. This to me is great service, and I will support them by purchasing their reels.
LMG if your not a salesman? You should be!
Wow! Thats pretty sweet!On 8/7/2012 at 5:36 AM, mabasshunter said:I can say that Shimano's customer service is FANTASTIC! I called them Wednesday to tell them I did not receive the accessories with my new Citica 201E. Today I received a package from Shimano with two bottles of oil, tool, manuals, extra brake pads and a bunch of Shimano stickers. This to me is great service, and I will support them by purchasing their reels.
Sign me up!On 8/7/2012 at 6:00 AM, jj said:LMG if your not a salesman? You should be!
LMG, I'm willing to give my citica g another try. Point me to a thread or article on supertuning(or should I start my own thread?)! Tell me what parts I can use from an E as well! I'll take it out and beat the chit out of it. If it stands up, I'll take a swing at a buds Curado g thats just sitting on the shelf. I can score it for a song.
Sorry for jacking the OP thread!
Super tuning varies from angler to angler. I like to take down the whole reel and clean all the factory grease and lube out of it. Soak the bearings in acetone until all the factory grease is out of them. Then take the spool bearings and put them in a cup and put 1 drop of oil on each side. Then, all the gears I make sure are packed with grease. Some say a little goes a long way, I like mine to be well lubricated. If you have never done this before, make sure you keep the paperwork for the reel handy so you can use it if you lose track of the parts placement. Another option is to send it to DVT, and for a good deal he can do it for you. As far as parts you can use for the G from the E. The only thing would be that you can take the crankshaft bearing from the Curado E and use it to replace the bushing they use in the Citica. Just so you know, you could take the Citica out stock and beat that thing all day long and it will take it. Dont be fooled just because its a G. They still are great reels. Shimano is just putting the reels back to where they should be as far as options/price lineup. When I relubed my Citica G, it was like night and day. Im gonna honestly say that the Curado E is going to be known as the best Curado that Shimano has ever produced, due to the amazing features that Shimano put in it. Unfortunately, since they had to make the adjustment to put it back in perspective, and let the Chronarch take the reigns again, people are set on the E, as am I. Since I own all of the E line up (except for the Chronarch 50E), I will be adding a Curado G to it as well. Ive used it, and I like it, and will tune it my way.
LgMouthGambler
I'm going to pick up anpther Shimano this week, and would like your opinion. I will buy either the Curado CU201G7 or the Chronarch CH201E7, which one would you recommend?
For the extra $ I would go for the Chronarch. Its got a better drag system, and is a little smoother. I love the Chronarchs ability to cast just about any kind of bait. It also comes with a nice little bag for storing or transporting
On 8/7/2012 at 9:04 AM, LgMouthGambler said:For the extra $ I would go for the Chronarch. Its got a better drag system, and is a little smoother. I love the Chronarchs ability to cast just about any kind of bait. It also comes with a nice little bag for storing or transporting
Thanks!!!
On 8/7/2012 at 7:23 AM, LgMouthGambler said:Super tuning varies from angler to angler. I like to take down the whole reel and clean all the factory grease and lube out of it. Soak the bearings in acetone until all the factory grease is out of them. Then take the spool bearings and put them in a cup and put 1 drop of oil on each side. Then, all the gears I make sure are packed with grease. Some say a little goes a long way, I like mine to be well lubricated. If you have never done this before, make sure you keep the paperwork for the reel handy so you can use it if you lose track of the parts placement. Another option is to send it to DVT, and for a good deal he can do it for you. As far as parts you can use for the G from the E. The only thing would be that you can take the crankshaft bearing from the Curado E and use it to replace the bushing they use in the Citica. Just so you know, you could take the Citica out stock and beat that thing all day long and it will take it. Dont be fooled just because its a G. They still are great reels. Shimano is just putting the reels back to where they should be as far as options/price lineup. When I relubed my Citica G, it was like night and day. Im gonna honestly say that the Curado E is going to be known as the best Curado that Shimano has ever produced, due to the amazing features that Shimano put in it. Unfortunately, since they had to make the adjustment to put it back in perspective, and let the Chronarch take the reigns again, people are set on the E, as am I. Since I own all of the E line up (except for the Chronarch 50E), I will be adding a Curado G to it as well. Ive used it, and I like it, and will tune it my way.
I have done all that. Its something I just do since reading DVT's and Proreel's posts(from another forum). I guess the Curado/Citica E ruined me. So I was looking for more. I do have the crank bearing on order and I also have been eyeing spool bearings upgrades. I may try to swap the spool with a Curado G to see if it helps first. I'm sure I can barrow the Curado from my bud for trials.
I'll do some diggin!
atleast get some ABEC 7 orange seal ceramic hybrids form Boca Bearing for the 2 spool bearings. they're shipped dry so pop the orange seals & add a drop of oil. i leave the orange seals off cuz i clean them often myself. you get 2 spool bearings for $29.95.
even the curado e came with only abec 3's...
Yes those orange seals are AMAZING! I have them in my Citica E. First I would worry about just cleaning it out yourself, and then later on down the road spend the extra $ on HP bearings. Get some rigs together, and some good baits. The factory Shimano bearings will serve you for years and years with no problems.
It doesn't seem to be the spool bearings. It seems draggy/sluggish even with the spool removed. Once the new crank bearing arrives(couple more days) I'll dig deeper into it.
That will make a big improvementOn 8/8/2012 at 8:13 AM, jj said:It doesn't seem to be the spool bearings. It seems draggy/sluggish even with the spool removed. Once the new crank bearing arrives(couple more days) I'll dig deeper into it.
I probably should start my own thread, But seeing we jacked the heck out of this one I'll continue here.
I got home from work and the crankshaft bearing I ordered arrived. I tore into it and replaced the bushing with the bearing. The bushing was very dry and I also noticed the pinion support bearing had some brown stuff coming out of it. I flushed it out with mineral spirits. I packed greased in both the bearings. I assume this is where the sluggishness came from as the bearing was somewhat hard to turn it. Not to mention the dry crank bushing.
Put it back together an hit the dock for some casts. Still not as smooth overall as the e or even the same feel. But much better now. I'll get some smooth drag washers and a set of abec 5, 7 or Boca spool bearings. So some super tuning should liven these up a lot! I'll be hitting up my bud for his barely used Curado g and order up some goodies for that too!
I dont pack any other bearing but the AR bearing with grease. All others just get oil. I dont know if that will make a difference for you.
I pack all the low speed bearings with grease. I can fish them for the whole season and only need to lube the spool bearings as needed. When I used oil on them, I was having to tear into them a few times a season to re-oil them. A trick I got from someone who puts his hands on more reels in a week than I do all season long. To me the reel will stay smoother, also stays quieter much longer and less fiddling on my part.