My Old Dog New Tricks Thoughts On The Features In Todays Equipment 2024
mhilgtx reply :
So my thoughts on the quality of the new equipment I have been exposed to over the past few months vs what was out there 30 years ago is this:
Even the least expensive baitcasting reels by Abu Garcia are much easier to use than the highest end equipment back in when I fished with my father. Basically all you had was a tension nob and thats it even the free spool buttons were on the side so if you had every thing backed off it was a two handed motion to start the cast. Learning to use a baitcaster back then took quite a bit of effort and time. That is just to not backlash anytime you made a cast, now you can almost tune my new Shimano Curado I to cast without any thumb control. Its not the most accurate way to do it and you have to be smooth but I played around with it and an an old Bantam. I think the Lews V Spool was one of the first reels that had any kind of breaking.
I am astounded with the smothness of even my Abu Black Max which is just about as cheap of a reel as you can get these days. I have always prefered Abu and Shimano reels. Probably the reel I am most disapointed with is my Diawa Lexa and that is is just because of its initial MSRP. I think a real at above $100 should have dual braking these days, maybe that is why TW and Gander Mountain have the reel on sale now for $69.99 which is what I paid.
The lines of today are shockingly sensative as are the rods, I have a $50.00 Shimano Clarus casting rod that is worth every penny of the original MSRP and I can feel so much sensation with it I am actually really confused about what I am feeling and spend more time working out whats what than actually fishing at this point. That is to me the allure of fishing for Bass learing and refining techniques.
I think by the time in a few months when I can cast my reels with the right settings and hit a paper cup with a jig from the other side of the world 95 out 100 times its going to be a blast.
Not sure if this post makes sense, I was just kind of thinking of all the differences from the last 30 years and they are as astounding in fishing as they are in comparing my old Apple desktop 30 years ago to my iPad today.
0119 reply :
Whats that old saying..."Thats why the old lady kissed the cow" Whatever floats your boat. I think todays reels are all garbage. Rods, even worse.....
WIGuide reply :
Things have definitely come a long way even in my lifetime. What's crazy is to think about where it'll be in another 30 years. I'm sure if he's around in another 30 years 0119 will be out in a field still kissing cows...
rippin-lips reply :
Daiwa isn't a company that offers reels with dual braking. They have probably the best magnetic brake system. That's what they're known for. Magforce Z V 3D. Though the Lexa only had standard magforce brakes on it.
jtesch reply :
15 years ago the Daiwa tournament ss was a top of the line spinning reel and if you use it now it's like holding a mixer. Still a tank of a reel but that spool oscillation thing will drive you nuts
jtesch reply :
Really? IOn 3/27/2015 at 7:51 PM, 119 said:Whats that old saying..."Thats why the old lady kissed the cow" Whatever floats your boat. I think todays reels are all garbage. Rods, even worse.....
*Hootie reply :
Ignore ignorant ignorance.
Hootie
thehooligan reply :
On 3/27/2015 at 7:51 PM, 119 said:Whats that old saying..."Thats why the old lady kissed the cow" Whatever floats your boat. I think todays reels are all garbage. Rods, even worse.....
Wow
thehooligan reply :
The 2000-2012 range put the absolute best reels out there.The curado e, core, Aldebaran, conquest, Antares, metanium, chronarch d, tdz, alphas, steez, pixy, Sol, fuego, zillion...
I could go on and on, absolute best time period for fishing reels.
And for rods, were getting the absolute best right now !! Shimano/Jackall, 13, phenix, megabass, the rod offerings are amazing right now.
mhilgtx reply :
On 3/27/2015 at 7:51 PM, 119 said:Whats that old saying..."Thats why the old lady kissed the cow" Whatever floats your boat. I think todays reels are all garbage. Rods, even worse.....
That's a pretty general statement and even might be true comparing ten years ago. I doubt it though, but hey maybe you like the way paint used to fall off our trucks before robots started painting them with electrostatic charged particles that leave almost zero orange peel effect too.
Heck 30 years ago the understanding of how light the formulation of these modern day resigns (sp) was almost non existent. Go check out some of the stuff they are doing with carbon fiber in F1 or the fact that we have street cars with carbon fiber wheels. Think of the strength and forces that wheel goes through. Then you have c n c machines laser cutting cfd or computational fluid dynamics along with a type of 3d printing using silica and a laser are used in designing and making reel rods lures and lines today.
Check out this to see some cool stuff http://www.infiniti-redbullracing.com/video/how-make-f1-car-design-and-rd-part-1
Alonerankin2 reply :
Gettin hot in here now! Lol..
mhilgtx reply :
On 3/27/2015 at 9:05 PM, rippin-lips said:Daiwa isn't a company that offers reels with dual braking. They have probably the best magnetic brake system. That's what they're known for. Magforce Z V 3D. Though the Lexa only had standard magforce brakes on it.
Thanks for the information and that makes since because I can't understand half the stuff on these reels yet. However I have an addictive personality and a little bit nerdy. For instance I see a ton of people that like the black *** rods and *** makes a big deal about the Toray Graphite being from Japan. So I checked into Toray and they have a huge facility here in the states and I have them sending a bunch of info and stuff to my office.
*Hootie reply :
I don't like to admit it, but stupid people scare me.
Hootie
John G reply :
Do you have a huge stash of 30 year old lures or are you using modern day lures or new lures that are old designs? I don't think that even you believe this bs. If you do, you are missing out on some really nice gear!On 3/27/2015 at 7:51 PM, 119 said:Whats that old saying..."Thats why the old lady kissed the cow" Whatever floats your boat. I think todays reels are all garbage. Rods, even worse.....
mhilgtx reply :
On 3/28/2015 at 4:06 AM, John G said:Do you have a huge stash of 30 year old lures or are you using modern day lures or new lures that are old designs? I don't think that even you believe this bs. If you do, you are missing out on some really nice gear!
I was thinking I found a buyer for my Shakespeare Boron spinning rod.
BasshunterJGH reply :
I agree with you on this one. 2000-2012 was the golden age of reels, from the curado e to the steez. And rods are getting better and better, the shimano/jackall offerings are of particular interest to me now.On 3/28/2015 at 3:46 AM, thehooligan said:The 2000-2012 range put the absolute best reels out there.The curado e, core, Aldebaran, conquest, Antares, metanium, chronarch d, tdz, alphas, steez, pixy, Sol, fuego, zillion...
I could go on and on, absolute best time period for fishing reels.
And for rods, were getting the absolute best right now !! Shimano/Jackall, 13, phenix, megabass, the rod offerings are amazing right now.
Cgrinder reply :
On 3/28/2015 at 3:46 AM, thehooligan said:The 2000-2012 range put the absolute best reels out there.The curado e, core, Aldebaran, conquest, Antares, metanium, chronarch d, tdz, alphas, steez, pixy, Sol, fuego, zillion...
I could go on and on, absolute best time period for fishing reels.
And for rods, were getting the absolute best right now !! Shimano/Jackall, 13, phenix, megabass, the rod offerings are amazing right now.
How many more Jackall rods before you're single? 
0119 reply :
Ok so let me get this right.... all you shimano worshippers have a entitled right to proclaim your shimano love 25 hours a day. Defensively any thought other than your own is ignorance? Right, thats why I served, to defend your rights to entitled arrogance and my ignorance. Nothing on this forum has ever proven my claims that there are so many "internet experts". I'm ignorant because I don't like what you all likeand don't use what you all use. You are as a whole the largest group of defensive and arrogant man boys the angling world has ever seen.
Don't worry Francho, you don't need to add another warning point to my doesnt play well with others tag.
Cgrinder reply :
On 3/28/2015 at 5:45 AM, 119 said:Ok so let me get this right.... all you shimano worshippers have a entitled right to proclaim your shimano love 25 hours a day. Defensively any thought other than your own is ignorance? Right, thats why I served, to defend your rights to entitled arrogance and my ignorance. Nothing on this forum has ever proven my claims that there are so many "internet experts". I'm ignorant because I don't like what you all likeand don't use what you all use. You are as a whole the largest group of defensive and arrogant man boys the angling world has ever seen.
Don't worry Francho, you don't need to add another warning point to my doesnt play well with others tag.
Bit of a leap. Many of us are Daiwa worshippers. You called modern rods and reels garbage. People disagreed. I'm not sure what the problem is.
John G reply :
You served! So did I! Your service or mine, in regards to the First Amendment, doesn't mean jack on an Internet forum. You posted something really stupid and you are being called out on it. Like they say....if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!
Grantman83 reply :
And the countdown begins. People disagreed with you just like you disagreed with them. To call us defensive because of a disagreement is to me a truer act of defensiveness.
The OP provided an opinion with reasons for his points. Your response came off merely as retaliatory. To then use military service as a "get out of jail free" card comes off as holier than thou. If anything, you should understand that you served to protect the ability to have very disagreement which you are now bashing others for.
Rant over.
Alonerankin2 reply :
I served a decade.. I'm a Shimano fan!! And Daiwa too.. So what.. Saltwater guys trashing out freshwater guys.. I don't get it..
BadBassWV reply :
I for one am proud to be a member of the Largest group Of defensive and arrogant men the angling world has ever seen. You Sir on the other hand are...uh...........................never mind it aint worth it.
mhilgtx reply :
On 3/28/2015 at 5:45 AM, 119 said:Ok so let me get this right.... all you shimano worshippers have a entitled right to proclaim your shimano love 25 hours a day. Defensively any thought other than your own is ignorance? Right, thats why I served, to defend your rights to entitled arrogance and my ignorance. Nothing on this forum has ever proven my claims that there are so many "internet experts". I'm ignorant because I don't like what you all likeand don't use what you all use. You are as a whole the largest group of defensive and arrogant man boys the angling world has ever seen.
Don't worry Francho, you don't need to add another warning point to my doesnt play well with others tag.
Actually I thought it was just friendly banter, I took no offense. I think your position is unsupportable and I think we all have a tendency to think things were better back in the day.
SenkoGuru reply :
WoW, A thread may get locked that I was not a part of.....I can't have that so I will just say....um,......Hi.
EDIT...................Dobyn's still suck's. 
Sam reply :
Interesting post and opinions offered.
Here is what I think: With so much competition and money on the line in the tournaments each rod and reel manufacturer wants their best products on the market.
The big companies have put millions into their Research and Development and are trying to produce the best products that they can with no "planned obsolescence" needed for many years.
To achieve this goal new materials are being used to replace the old metal gears and rod guides. In fact, selecting rod guides can drive you nuts with all of the new materials out there.
What was simple when mhigtx and I grew up is no longer simple. In fact, with all of the engineering going into today's rods and reels you have to do research to figure out what was best.
Ah yes, the good old days. When selecting fishing and sporting goods was simple. Basic products from a few manufacturers along with Sears offering their own brand for just about everything. OK, so Sears is a little older than mhigtx but look at an old Sears catalog and you can see what I mean.
*Hootie reply :
mhilgtx, I found your original post very interesting. I enjoy looking at the transition in fishing tackle from then until now. I doubt if more than a few of the old timers on here have a bigger collection of old, and antique fishing gear then I do. The improvement in technology, in reels is awesome. Rods are spectacular. If you doubt that, pick up one of my old “whippy” steel rods of the 40’s, then pick up my NRX. Garbage?....
“I don’t think so Al.” How about the old “handle spinning, knuckle buster” reels. This is what I fished with as a kid and it worked. Would I want to go back? A resounding...NO!! I love experimenting with the new stuff. I fish, primarily Loomis and Shimano. Yeah, I guess I’m a “Shimano fan boy”. I have also used St.Croix, Falcon, Berkley, BPS, Duckett, and yes, SenkoGuru, “them ol’ Dobyns.”...lol. Reels?...Heddon, Southbend, Langley, Pflueger, Abu Garcia Ambassadeurs, the list goes on and on. The fact that someone would make such a blanket cover all statement calling everything else garbage is absurd. It’s all good, and an enormous lot of fun. If you enjoy, and prefer what you use over what I use, that’s great. But why knock everything that everyone else is using. As we used to say “WHAT’S IT TO YA!”
Hootie
Bruce424 reply :
The only thing about older equipment I'll say had a benefit is it was easier and cheaper to clean, fix, and get parts for. Look at the garcia Mitchell spinning reels, it has like... 8 parts lol! And you can beat those reels sensless. I use them for catfish But as for technology, it's only gettin better and better.
My dad's hookset looks like he's gonna do a back flip because he grew up with whippy 6 ft rods. And that's usually what he uses always. I respect that. But it's not for me or alot of people.
Last note I think what turns people off about today's gear is the high price your paying for it and what your getting.
Alonerankin2 reply :
On 3/28/2015 at 11:10 AM, SenkoGuru said:WoW, A thread may get locked that I was not a part of.....I can't have that so I will just say....um,......Hi.
EDIT...................Dobyn's still suck's.
Uh, nice one.. So do "white carrot stix's"! LOL..
I kid you, I kid.. NOT!! hehe...
Poolshark reply :
Lol. I like this thread. As for me, it makes no difference what others enjoy fishing with. Not gonna knock anyone's preferences. But I will say I can apreciate the design simplicity of some of the older style reels like the old abus and penn z series reels. I have some really old stuff that is still serviceable today. While I own some of them and will always have them, I can't say that I prefer using them over the newer more tech advanced reels out there. It's so much easier tossing a 3/16 ounce lure on a new lews or low pro shimano with a graphite/carbon rod that weighs 3 to 4 ounces.
OK Bass Hunter reply :
And while this is going on. We are ignoring the real "reel" tragedy. My Conquest 400 has been stuck in customs for week
*Hootie reply :
On 3/28/2015 at 11:28 PM, OK Bass Hunter said:And while this is going on. We are ignoring the real "reel" tragedy. My Conquest 400 has been stuck in customs for week
That's a shame. Bet you can't wait to fish it. Maybe the guys in customs are test driving it for you...lol.
Hootie
matuka reply :
I'm staying clear of the banter, but I can honestly say that the rods I'm buying now perform better for me than the high end stuff I bought 15 to 20 years ago. And I'm paying much less now. We have so many more brands to choose from the manufacturers could no longer ignore the middle of the road guys. And durability has been taken into account, I've broken a lot of them LOL!
adam32 reply :
On 3/27/2015 at 7:51 PM, 119 said:Whats that old saying..."Thats why the old lady kissed the cow" Whatever floats your boat. I think todays reels are all garbage. Rods, even worse.....
I agree with the reels part. I would take my zillions, curado D's, and Calais over any casting reels available today. I still prefer my ss1300s over most spinning reels.
Sherlock 60 reply :
Regarding prices for rods and reels, I think that generally speaking we get more bang for our buck than we used to with the mid-range products.
Jrob78 reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 12:10 AM, adam32 said:I agree with the reels part. I would take my zillions, curado D's, and Calais over any casting reels available today. I still prefer my ss1300s over most spinning reels.
Nice try but I believe Zillions, Curados and Calais' ARE today's reels. lol 
He thinks you're a Shimano Fanboy too. 
*Hootie reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 3:18 AM, Jrob78 said:Nice try but I believe Zillions, Curados and Calais' ARE today's reels. lol
He thinks you're a Shimano Fanboy too.
You were reading my mind Jrob.
Hootie
oldschoolbasser reply :
Being and "older" guy who still fishes with his "obsolete" tackle (according to some on this site) I can say with all honesty that my 2 bearing Ambassadeurs have caught more bass than most of you here will ever see. As for rods, the biggest change is in the length of the newer ones versus the older ones. My Oldschool Phenix rods are a Boron Graphite composite with blanks being half the size of most of the newer rods. Progress? Boron is lighter,stronger,and more sensitive than graphite,yet no manufacturers use it in their rods. So by most of the younger guys reasoning, I shouldn't be able to catch fish with my 5'6" pistol grip rod,with my slow 4.7:1 2 bearing reel both over 30 years old because? ( not enough bearings,too short, and too slow) thanks to all you "experts" for pointing this out to me.
IAY reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 3:45 AM, oldschoolbasser said:Being and "older" guy who still fishes with his "obsolete" tackle (according to some on this site) I can say with all honesty that my 2 bearing Ambassadeurs have caught more bass than most of you here will ever see. As for rods, the biggest change is in the length of the newer ones versus the older ones. My Oldschool Phenix rods are a Boron Graphite composite with blanks being half the size of most of the newer rods. Progress? Boron is lighter,stronger,and more sensitive than graphite,yet no manufacturers use it in their rods. So by most of the younger guys reasoning, I shouldn't be able to catch fish with my 5'6" pistol grip rod,with my slow 4.7:1 2 bearing reel both over 30 years old because? ( not enough bearings,too short, and too slow) thanks to all you "experts" for pointing this out to me.
No one is arguing against effectiveness of the old tackle. I am so surprised how 0119 got so defensive. You have to expect to take some shots, if you make such a blanket statement saying most of people's gear here are crap. 
Grantman83 reply :
I don't understand the defensiveness from some older anglers. Nobody is arguing that older equipment doesn't work or hasn't caught fish. Not one person has made that statement.
Abus, calcuttas, bantams and the orginal Lew's have a massive following for a reason, they work and continue to work. Nobody is arguing that shorter and older rods don't catch fish because they did and continue to.
What people are arguing is that a blanket statement saying new gear is junk is wrong. Supporting newer gear does not automatically mean we all think old gear is ineffective or junk. Saying modern reels are smoother doesn't mean older reels aren't tanks. Saying newer rods are lighter and there is a greater availability DOES NOT mean you cannot or didn't catch fish on older rods.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Taking a turn now.. Old guys vs Younger Guys
Geez, really?
Jrob78 reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 3:45 AM, oldschoolbasser said:Being and "older" guy who still fishes with his "obsolete" tackle (according to some on this site) I can say with all honesty that my 2 bearing Ambassadeurs have caught more bass than most of you here will ever see. As for rods, the biggest change is in the length of the newer ones versus the older ones. My Oldschool Phenix rods are a Boron Graphite composite with blanks being half the size of most of the newer rods. Progress? Boron is lighter,stronger,and more sensitive than graphite,yet no manufacturers use it in their rods. So by most of the younger guys reasoning, I shouldn't be able to catch fish with my 5'6" pistol grip rod,with my slow 4.7:1 2 bearing reel both over 30 years old because? ( not enough bearings,too short, and too slow) thanks to all you "experts" for pointing this out to me.
Says the guy buying brand new gear from Japan and upgrading all his old reels with brand new components. Give me a freaking break.
Nobody said the old gear wasn't good. All of us older than about 20 have fond memories of the gear we grew up using and still use today. But to say that the old stuff is better than the new stuff and the new stuff is "garbage" is plain silly. Gotta have something to complain about though, right?
mhilgtx reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 3:45 AM, oldschoolbasser said:Being and "older" guy who still fishes with his "obsolete" tackle (according to some on this site) I can say with all honesty that my 2 bearing Ambassadeurs have caught more bass than most of you here will ever see. As for rods, the biggest change is in the length of the newer ones versus the older ones. My Oldschool Phenix rods are a Boron Graphite composite with blanks being half the size of most of the newer rods. Progress? Boron is lighter,stronger,and more sensitive than graphite,yet no manufacturers use it in their rods. So by most of the younger guys reasoning, I shouldn't be able to catch fish with my 5'6" pistol grip rod,with my slow 4.7:1 2 bearing reel both over 30 years old because? ( not enough bearings,too short, and too slow) thanks to all you "experts" for pointing this out to me.
Of course it still works and works very well, as I can attest due to the fact that when I started back to fishing earlier this year that old stuff is what I was using. It works very well today.
However the new stuff I have been exposed too, which are not even close to being top of the market, are much improved. Easier to cast, more power to reel, and much more sensative is just the start. My post was more of a wow look what we have here vs someone that maybe has been fishing all this time and the changes have seemed more incremental and therefore maybe a little less noticable.
As far as the other guy talking about a shimano fan boy, well I have purchased to date these rods and reels:
Shimano Curado I
Diawa Lexa 100
Abu Black Max
Pflueger President Spinning
Rods
Duckett Ghost
Mojo Bass Spinning
Shimano Compre or something like that it was on sale and d**n good rod too.
Diawa Lexa casting rod
I like them all and will probably sample a few other brands as I decide which I like the best and will probably stick with it. Certainly not a Shimano Fan boy although I was big Shimano and Abu fan back in the day.
adam32 reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 3:18 AM, Jrob78 said:Nice try but I believe Zillions, Curados and Calais' ARE today's reels. lol
He thinks you're a Shimano Fanboy too.
Can you buy any of those reels today? No.
I'm definitely NOT a shimano fan! I haven't liked any shimanos since the chronarch d's,curado d's and Calais. Wasn't impressed at all with the e series reels.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Next we will be hearing my bass is bigger than your bass! Lol..
Oh wait, that's right, he's a saltwater guy...
Jrob78 reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 4:59 AM, adam32 said:Can you buy any of those reels today? No.
I'm definitely NOT a shimano fan! I haven't liked any shimanos since the chronarch d's,curado d's and Calais. Wasn't impressed at all with the e series reels.
I was being tongue in cheek. My point was that all the reels you mentioned were modern reels, whether or not they are currently being produced isn't relevant to this ridiculous conversation.
Matthew2000 reply :
He is customizing his reels to his liking. Just like tons of the people on here take half of their brand new reel and replace it with higher end parts. That's like yelling at someone for putting a new exhaust pipe on a muscle car. Shimano fanboys love to put another 200 dollars into an already 400 dollar reel and go on and on about how all other brands are in-superior. If you put an old lews with revamped parts against a new lews with original parts they are going to be quite equal.On 3/29/2015 at 4:53 AM, Jrob78 said:Says the guy buying brand new gear from Japan and upgrading all his old reels with brand new components. Give me a freaking break.
Nobody said the old gear wasn't good. All of us older than about 20 have fond memories of the gear we grew up using and still use today. But to say that the old stuff is better than the new stuff and the new stuff is "garbage" is plain silly. Gotta have something to complain about though, right?
So has anyone come to a real conclusion about why people are arguing about this? There was junk then and there is junk now there is great products now and there was great products 20 years ago. People pay 10 times retail on some old baits or 2 times the price on old rods and reels. Why ? Because it's their money and they are free to do whatever the heck they want with it.
I don't agree that all rods and reels today are junk. Just like not all rods and reels then were junk. So quit making stupid comments about your personal preference that wasn't even part of the OP's statement. Quit being fanboys of one brand or time period or whatever you want to be a fan of, or at least quit arguing over all of it.
fishangdood reply :
At 7 years old, I can remember my dad buying my first reel at a flea market- it was a 2 maybe 3000 size ryobi spinner. It worked, I caught fish, and it survived my time of possession.
Fast forward 10 years, I grab hold of my first baitcast reel, an Ambassadeur 4500. It was a two hour break in period before I got the gist of casting it. It was a memorable experience comparable to learning to drive manual. That reel survived until it got ran over- long story.
Finally you go back to the future, 32, I'm a full fledged tackle junkie. I'm an Abu guy, but I can truly appreciate all brands as I've become the unofficial reel maintenance go to guy among my fishing group. My best are in the low high end: revo3 inshore, premier, stx, and sx. All of them have been changed into IVCB-VI brakes and premier spools, yet I still believe dual brakes are tad bit more effective.
Anyhow, I enjoy the reel tech of today, but also enjoy the simplicity under the hood of the old school reels. Obviously new tech builds upon the old. However, it's funny because this past winter I've invested into three Ambassadeur 2500c model reels and I like them so much that they are probably going to share half the workload this season.
Long-story-short, preference is preference and quality is subjective.
FishTank reply :
I enjoy using the newer tackle that is available today (in the last 15 years or newer) because it increases the fun factor of fishing. I have to confess, I like getting new toys. One great thing about todays tackle is how competitive the market has become. The low end priced reels are getting closer to higher priced reels in quality and over all feel, which i think is great for every fisherman. The reels from most manufactures you can get at the $100 and below price point, have come a long way. I hope this upward trend continues.
bootytrain reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 11:05 AM, Matthew2000 said:Shimano fanboys love to put another 200 dollars into an already 400 dollar reel and go on and on about how all other brands are in-superior.
Is this a new word that Shimano haters created? lol Shimano users aren't the only ones who spend a lot of money on aftermarket parts for their reels.
FishTank reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 12:51 PM, bootytrain said:Is this a new word that Shimano haters created? lol Shimano users aren't the only ones who spend a lot of money on aftermarket parts for their reels.
How about a simple but awesome staple from the guys at PMR (Pimp My Reel). This cost a few bucks.....
FishTank reply :
Old vs. New..... Check out what this guy has to say about this particular Abu Garcia Reel. He is very critical of it. I am not sure all of it is warranted but it is interesting to listen to.
fishangdood reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 1:07 PM, FishTank said:Old vs. New..... Check out what this guy has to say about this particular Abu Garcia Reel. He is very critical of it. I am not sure all of it is warranted but it is interesting to listen to.
That Jamie guy is hit or miss among the surf/tournament casting community. His reviews are pretty Captain Obvious, but then again, there are still those that are still new to the world of fishing and that's his target demographic.
*Hootie reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 11:05 AM, Matthew2000 said:He is customizing his reels to his liking. Just like tons of the people on here take half of their brand new reel and replace it with higher end parts. That's like yelling at someone for putting a new exhaust pipe on a muscle car. Shimano fanboys love to put another 200 dollars into an already 400 dollar reel and go on and on about how all other brands are in-superior. If you put an old lews with revamped parts against a new lews with original parts they are going to be quite equal.
So has anyone come to a real conclusion about why people are arguing about this? There was junk then and there is junk now there is great products now and there was great products 20 years ago. People pay 10 times retail on some old baits or 2 times the price on old rods and reels. Why ? Because it's their money and they are free to do whatever the heck they want with it.
I don't agree that all rods and reels today are junk. Just like not all rods and reels then were junk. So quit making stupid comments about your personal preference that wasn't even part of the OP's statement. Quit being fanboys of one brand or time period or whatever you want to be a fan of, or at least quit arguing over all of it.
You need to go back and read this whole thread again. You will soon see that most of what you're saying makes no sense at all.
Hootie
Maico1 reply :
On 3/27/2015 at 7:51 PM, 119 said:Whats that old saying..."Thats why the old lady kissed the cow" Whatever floats your boat. I think todays reels are all garbage. Rods, even worse.....
On 3/28/2015 at 5:45 AM, 119 said:Ok so let me get this right.... all you shimano worshippers have a entitled right to proclaim your shimano love 25 hours a day. Defensively any thought other than your own is ignorance? Right, thats why I served, to defend your rights to entitled arrogance and my ignorance. Nothing on this forum has ever proven my claims that there are so many "internet experts". I'm ignorant because I don't like what you all likeand don't use what you all use. You are as a whole the largest group of defensive and arrogant man boys the angling world has ever seen.
Don't worry Francho, you don't need to add another warning point to my doesnt play well with others tag.
I am curious, is this how you feel in general about things in life that technology continues to improve or is this just an attitude regarding people who own Shimano products on this forum. I am whole heartedly trying to understand your two posts one that says you may enjoy the way things once were and the other an outright assault on Shimano consumers. I can certainly understand if you are one who does not welcome changes in life but why the tude regarding your words "Shimano Worshippers".
oldschoolbasser reply :
Jrod78,I bought 1 new reel from and the other 2 are used Ambassadeurs. As for upgrading my other reels you seem to forget that they are still older reels who's basic design has been around since the 50's. Of the 3 reels that I fish with the most,2 have only 2 bearings, and the other one has only bushings. I wasn't the one who said the new stuff was junk,new designs and technology have made for better reels,but it also makes these reels obsolete within a few years,where as the design of my reels are evolutionary, and have been improved upon through the years. Most of the youngsters here seem to think they invented bass fishing, and that they know the best way to fish.i was around when most of the effective techniques were developed. Doodlin, flipping,splitshotting, swim baits, tubes,and swimming jigs were all from my era,amd I learned from the guys who invented these techniques. Everyone has their opinion, but thst doesn't mean it's right.On 3/29/2015 at 4:53 AM, Jrob78 said:Says the guy buying brand new gear from Japan and upgrading all his old reels with brand new components. Give me a freaking break.
Nobody said the old gear wasn't good. All of us older than about 20 have fond memories of the gear we grew up using and still use today. But to say that the old stuff is better than the new stuff and the new stuff is "garbage" is plain silly. Gotta have something to complain about though, right?
oldschoolbasser reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 1:07 PM, FishTank said:Old vs. New..... Check out what this guy has to say about this particular Abu Garcia Reel. He is very critical of it. I am not sure all of it is warranted but it is interesting to listen to. Those new reels are junk,and are not made in Sweden. No true Ambassadeur lover would buy this crap!
Cgrinder reply :
Paging Dr. Irene.
FishTank reply :
On 3/29/2015 at 10:10 PM, oldschoolbasser said:
On 3/29/2015 at 1:07 PM, FishTank said:Those new reels are junk,and are not made in Sweden. No true Ambassadeur lover would buy this crap!
Agreed. I was just trying to find an example of a reel that comes from a great line of reels which was not all that it appeared to be. Hence not all new reels are what they appear to be. It's some time it helps to be informed of what you are buying despite the name. That is why I visit this forum.
BasshunterJGH reply :
Wow that's a pretty bold statement to make. I agree that some of today's rods and reels are junk, but to say that ALL are garbage... I'm not sure what kind of experience you have with todays rods and reels but obviously you haven't used a new Metanium or even tatula. LOL.On 3/27/2015 at 7:51 PM, 119 said:Whats that old saying..."Thats why the old lady kissed the cow" Whatever floats your boat. I think todays reels are all garbage. Rods, even worse.....
BasshunterJGH reply :
And no I'm not a "shimano worshipper", I own only 2 shimano reels and one g loomis rod.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Personally, I couldn't get rid of my Abu's fast enough, I don't care if a reel is capable of a 50 year lifespan.. You don't hear me and other Shimano & Daiwa fans trashing out those reels..
If you notice, the Disgruntled Shimano ex-users..
The theme is to just insistently bash Shimano on this Site.. Seems like trolling to me, having a opinion is one thing, interjecting the same old rhetoric has little purpose. I'm sorry Shimano failed to meet your expectations, sounds like Abu's are your go to reels. Great, I don't see a problem, except you try and create one. Always.
Get over it and move on..
oldschoolbasser reply :
Unfortunately, Purefishing has been going down this road lately, much to chagrin of it's avid following. That's why most of us die hard Abu fans continue to build our own reels. That's why there is a growing number of companies picking up the slack that Purefishing has decided not to be a part of. At one time, Purefishing considered having it's own Custom Shop,but decided against it. I build Custom reels for the fun of building something I can use,but also as a way to relax, and use my imagination to create a reel of my own design. Abu Garcia used to be a leader in the industry, eith features that every other company has adopted in their designs.Purefishing JP is the only entity trying to build better reels for the Ambassadeur enthusiasts.
Jrob78 reply :
Everyone has said their piece, it's time for this thread to die.
OK Bass Hunter reply :
Not until my Conquest is released and allowed to come home.
Jrob78 reply :
On 3/30/2015 at 1:58 AM, OK Bass Hunter said:Not until my Conquest is released and allowed to come home.
I feel you on that. My Conquest was held in customs for about 3 agonizing weeks. It finally made it home though.
OK Bass Hunter reply :
3 weeks???
On 3/30/2015 at 2:00 AM, Jrob78 said:I feel you on that. My Conquest was held in customs for about 3 agonizing weeks. It finally made it home though.
3 weeks??? How much duty did they add to it?
Jrob78 reply :
On 3/30/2015 at 2:05 AM, OK Bass Hunter said:3 weeks???
3 weeks??? How much duty did they add to it?
Yeah it was about 3 weeks. I ended up calling customs to make sure everything was ok. lol It finally did make it though and the duty fee was $26.
fishangdood reply :
Can't we all just get along?
Sherlock 60 reply :
Agreed that nobody is dissing the older gear at all.
I have lots (read "too much") current gear and love it all. But I still miss walking along the bank with a bamboo pole and an inline spinner when I was six. And well remember when my Dear Old Dad gave me my first fiberglass rod with a newfangled Zebco attached.
It's ALL good!!
rippin-lips reply :
Live long and prosper.
ChrisWi reply :
it's alright. Me too.On 3/28/2015 at 3:54 AM, *Hootie said:I don't like to admit it, but stupid people scare me.
Hootie
ChrisWi reply :
This was easily the most pointless thread I've saw on this site. Aside from the Mustad hooks thread.
Glenn reply :
And scene....
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