brand loyalty and the purchase decision 2024

21farms reply :

this was recently posted at tackletog: http://tackletog.com/news/2009/12/11/what-factors-influence-anglers-purchasing-decisions/

What factors influence anglers' purchase decisions?

Brand loyalty

51.60%

Magazine advertisement

11.80%

Another experienced angler

52.70%

TV commercials

6.30%

Other

24.90%

Lucky Craft Man reply :

I am not sure how these results were achieved, but I would think your results should add up to 100%.

J Francho reply :

it doesn't need to add up to 100% if more than one option was chosen.

Lucky Craft Man reply :

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it doesn't need to add up to 100% if more than one option was chosen.
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I assume that was how the research was driven, but I would like to see what "most" drives fisherman to buy what they do, which would only take into account one opinion (and produce a 100% total).

central.PA.bass reply :

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it doesn't need to add up to 100% if more than one option was chosen.
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I assume that was how the research was driven, but I would like to see what "most" drives fisherman to buy what they do, which would only take into account one opinion (and produce a 100% total).

Then by looking at the results, the highest percentage would probably be the "most". Which would be from another experienced angler. That's just how I would interpret it. I would say these results are fairly accurate as well...

Lucky Craft Man reply :

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TV commercials

6.30%

I wonder how many fisherman who own the Wave Spin Reels and Pocket Fisherman marked this category?

J. M. Richardson reply :

I've never really been partial to any brand. I am not sponsored so have no brand loyalty that way. If it is a high quality product and gets the job done for what I am looking to spend. I will purchase it,

Grey Wolf reply :

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I've never really been partial to any brand. I am not sponsored so have no brand loyalty that way. If it is a high quality product and gets the job done for what I am looking to spend. I will purchase it,

X2.

21farms reply :

i only brought this up because i see so much brand loving/hating here. i doubt that many of the recommendations here are based on what is truly in the best interest of the asker.

Grey Wolf reply :

"What is the best" question starts many debates that sometimes get out of hand.

A lot of people are very opinionated about their equipment.

Tin reply :

Well you can see why companies take care of and like pro-staff. I can't believe 52% of purchases are based on advice from "more experienced" or who they think are better fishermen than they are. How dumb are people?

GRiver reply :

I do listen to other people's advise..(ie...bass resource forum) but when it comes down to it. I agree with JM, what get me the most for the money can spend.

bilgerat reply :

Just because someone buys fishing gear does not make them an angler (just like me buying golf clubs....)

So who participated in the poll ? How many times have you been at Dick's, Gander Mtn., Academy, etc. and have seen someone totally lost in the fishing section. If you offered them help or advice, they are one of the 52%.

If the poll was taken on a site like this where the majority are experienced anglers, the results would be drastically different.

roadwarrior reply :

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A lot of people are very opinionated about their equipment.

Ain't that the truth!

Obviously, I'm part of the "brand loyal" crowd.

roadwarrior reply :

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i only brought this up because i see so much brand loving/hating here. i doubt that many of the recommendations here are based on what is truly in the best interest of the asker.

Wrong.

Being opinionated can give you very specific advice on a variety of gear.

So some of the answers are:

G. Loomis, St. Croix, Yo-Zuri, Gamakatsu,

MegaStrike, KVD Line & Lure Conditioner,

Rage Tail and Shimano.

Now, what's the question?

;D ;D ;D

K_Mac reply :

RW you should copy that answer and keep it on a clip board. Just about covers it. 8-)

I think brand loyalty makes things easier and faster. I have figured out what works, so I don't have to wonder...

I do appreciate opinion also, especially from an experienced angler. I am going to try Yo-Zuri Hybrid line this year, based on RW's and other's opinion of the line. RoLo's writings (and dodgeguy's pictures ) have convinced me to give braid another shot this coming year. Owner hooks, Lucky Craft Pointers, wacky rigged Senkos, and many other things I use or will use are as a result of the opinions of others here. If and when I buy a Shimano it will be a Curado e7-RW has convinced me. :-?That is one of the great things about this site, it gives access to the opinions of many good bass fishermen. 8-)

I wonder if I can convince RW to buy a BPS branded reel? :

cart7t reply :

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i only brought this up because i see so much brand loving/hating here. i doubt that many of the recommendations here are based on what is truly in the best interest of the asker.

True, though the best way for an angler to actually know how a reel or rod will work for them is to go out and use one for a day on the lake. Not always practical.

Most of the major brands along with the labeled stuff will work for the vast majority of anglers. Then it comes down to minor nuances of each type of equipment and what would work best for a given angler.

Hammer 4 reply :

I guess I'm one of those "Dumb" people... :

I rely on peoples opinion of a product if in fact they have used that product, I have asked for opinons of folks here, not nessesarly better anglers. Brand has littler to do my purchases, unless it's a Shimano..

J Francho reply :

I guess I'm dumb too. If they specifically relate to what I'm asking about a certain product, and I trust them, then its a go.

MattinOK reply :

My brand loyalties fall within the clearance bin! ;D

skunked_again reply :

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Well you can see why companies take care of and like pro-staff. I can't believe 52% of purchases are based on advice from "more experienced" or who they think are better fishermen than they are. How dumb are people?

i LOL at this. sort of a slap in the face to posters who ask for gear advise.

Pantera61 reply :

I think you are going to see a lot more of the influence of more experienced anglers as the O-conomy gets worse. People don't have as much discretionary income and those without jobs have even less.

roadwarrior reply :

The value of advice depends on who is sharing

their experience. Examples here on the forum

would be: Catt and CJ, fishing structure; Fourbizz,

Mattlures, Fish_Chris, Randal, swimbaits; The Reel

Mechanic, Bantam1, J Francho, reel maintenance;

RoLo, mapping; Long Mike, spelling and punctuation :;

Chris, crankbaits; Joe S, jigs: etc, etc, etc...

(I know I left a lot of guys out, but not intentionally)

So, my point is obvious...We have members whose

advice should be revered...Period. When this is applied to

fishing gear, some guys (Raul) know "a little more" than

others. My advice, especially for those just starting, is

to pay attention to those "in the know". Over the long

run you will have better equipment and tackle at any

given pricing point. I think this will make you a better

fisherman, too.

-Kent

21farms reply :

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True, though the best way for an angler to actually know how a reel or rod will work for them is to go out and use one for a day on the lake.

fishing with equipment for a whole day does give a pretty good idea of how well something works or doesn't work but even that isn't enough sometimes. i've had stuff that, after one day, i thought was great but then after 3-4 more outings, i discovered some things i really didn't like. i've also had stuff that didn't impress me greatly initially but, over time, proved to be truly outstanding.

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I guess I'm one of those "Dumb" people... :
I rely on peoples opinion of a product if in fact they have used that product, I have asked for opinons of folks here, not nessesarly better anglers.

there's nothing wrong with taking recommendations from other anglers as long as you know where they're coming from. try to look past the emotion and make sure the advice you're getting is truly objective.

J. M. Richardson reply :

I've asked for gear advice on this site before. I have gotten a lot of good responses and take those responses and "advice"(opinions really) to the store and apply them to what I am buying. Most of the time, I won't follow exactly what someone has offered as advice, but purchase something similar within my budget (being a broke college student doesn't help matters when your hobbies include hunting and fishing).

Overall, I feel that brand doesn't matter as much as quality.

grimlin reply :

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Well you can see why companies take care of and like pro-staff. I can't believe 52% of purchases are based on advice from "more experienced" or who they think are better fishermen than they are. How dumb are people?

Almost 75% of the questions here are "what kind of *insert*(tackle,reel & rod) should i consider buying?".

I don't consider it dumb.If i didn't ask some of my questions I may have made some even dumber purchases on my own without any advice... ;D

SWMIBASSER reply :

After looking over the green Curado and Citica 200e It's clearly obvious to me that there is a BUNCH of bandwagoning that happens in tackle selection.

Those two reels felt no better than a BPS reel that goes on sale for $50. The curado looked GREAT. It wasn't as smooth as reels costing 1/4 what it does. Not particularly light. Nothing special about the drag. Just another reel-albeit overpriced.

The citica was even worse.

Maybe they cast great? Other reels do too. And I couldn't take anyones word for it, because according to most, those reels are so super smooth and refined. Yet CLEARLY they are NOT

Overrated reels no doubt about it.

midnighthrasher reply :

I agree that brand loyalty simplifies alot. I know that if im gonna buy a new reel or rod that its going to be shimano. Not only because they have never failed me and because i love them but also because i have a service center 15 minutes from my house which does over the counter excganges on waranteed products. As for lures i like yamamoto alot because i trust them. Generally their products never let me down. Power pro and Yo zuri also havent let me down yet. I am however always willing to try new things. I have 10000000000 bags of plastics and hundreds of crankbaits. I saw them somewhere and I NEEDED THEM.

So to me brand loyalty plays a big role for my main " go to " items but the baitmonkey makes sure that i have plenty of everything else

midnighthrasher reply :

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After looking over the green Curado and Citica 200e It's clearly obvious to me that there is a BUNCH of bandwagoning that happens in tackle selection.
Those two reels felt no better than a BPS reel that goes on sale for $50. The curado looked GREAT. It wasn't as smooth as reels costing 1/4 what it does. Not particularly light. Nothing special about the drag. Just another reel-albeit overpriced.

The citica was even worse.

Maybe they cast great? Other reels do too. And I couldn't take anyones word for it, because according to most, those reels are so super smooth and refined. Yet CLEARLY they are NOT

Overrated reels no doubt about it.

FYI i have 2 curados and they kick total A#$. I dont care how a reel feels in a store i care how it does on the water with a lure at the end!!!! These reels get the business done. Not to mention the waranty. My buddies have tried all kinds of reels where i have been loyal to shimano and one by one they are coming to shimano. I guarantee that if you buy 1 curado and one BPS reel that in 10 years you will be fishing with your curando and your BPS reel will be nowhere to be found.

Jake. reply :

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After looking over the green Curado and Citica 200e It's clearly obvious to me that there is a BUNCH of bandwagoning that happens in tackle selection.
Those two reels felt no better than a BPS reel that goes on sale for $50. The curado looked GREAT. It wasn't as smooth as reels costing 1/4 what it does. Not particularly light. Nothing special about the drag. Just another reel-albeit overpriced.

The citica was even worse.

Maybe they cast great? Other reels do too. And I couldn't take anyones word for it, because according to most, those reels are so super smooth and refined. Yet CLEARLY they are NOT

Overrated reels no doubt about it.

This seems unfair.... completely bashing a reel's performance based on fiddling with a display model that is abused daily. Maybe it's just an anti-Shimano bias?

SWMIBASSER reply :

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After looking over the green Curado and Citica 200e It's clearly obvious to me that there is a BUNCH of bandwagoning that happens in tackle selection.
Those two reels felt no better than a BPS reel that goes on sale for $50. The curado looked GREAT. It wasn't as smooth as reels costing 1/4 what it does. Not particularly light. Nothing special about the drag. Just another reel-albeit overpriced.

The citica was even worse.

Maybe they cast great? Other reels do too. And I couldn't take anyones word for it, because according to most, those reels are so super smooth and refined. Yet CLEARLY they are NOT

Overrated reels no doubt about it.

This seems unfair.... completely bashing a reel's performance based on fiddling with a display model that is abused daily. Maybe it's just an anti-Shimano bias?

I actually tried two of each. The display and one from a box....Same story. The Curado was OK.....But was more like a $75-$100 reel.

I will give the Curado appearance points. I either like green or it's the best 'looking' reel made.

bilgerat reply :

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After looking over the green Curado and Citica 200e It's clearly obvious to me that there is a BUNCH of bandwagoning that happens in tackle selection.
Those two reels felt no better than a BPS reel that goes on sale for $50. The curado looked GREAT. It wasn't as smooth as reels costing 1/4 what it does. Not particularly light. Nothing special about the drag. Just another reel-albeit overpriced.

The citica was even worse.

Maybe they cast great? Other reels do too. And I couldn't take anyones word for it, because according to most, those reels are so super smooth and refined. Yet CLEARLY they are NOT

Overrated reels no doubt about it.

Don't you know how this works around here ? It's ok to bash everyone elses reels but you crossed the line buddy > >.........

SWMIBASSER reply :

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After looking over the green Curado and Citica 200e It's clearly obvious to me that there is a BUNCH of bandwagoning that happens in tackle selection.
Those two reels felt no better than a BPS reel that goes on sale for $50. The curado looked GREAT. It wasn't as smooth as reels costing 1/4 what it does. Not particularly light. Nothing special about the drag. Just another reel-albeit overpriced.

The citica was even worse.

Maybe they cast great? Other reels do too. And I couldn't take anyones word for it, because according to most, those reels are so super smooth and refined. Yet CLEARLY they are NOT

Overrated reels no doubt about it.

Don't you know how this works around here ? It's ok to bash everyone elses reels but you crossed the line buddy > >.........

Yep you are exactly right. I'm waiting for my comments on my view of these Shimano reels to magically disappear

Glenn reply :

I think the point here is that - for whatever reason - some people prefer brand X over brand Y. No big deal. Why should everyone like the same brand anyway? That would be....dull.

However, to the extent people get into a catfight over which is better is absurd. It is, after all, just fishing.

If you like brand Y, great! Let's hear why you like it. But please refrain from bashing brand X in the process.

That's all I ask.

Thanks!

Glenn

skunked_again reply :

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After looking over the green Curado and Citica 200e It's clearly obvious to me that there is a BUNCH of bandwagoning that happens in tackle selection.
Those two reels felt no better than a BPS reel that goes on sale for $50. The curado looked GREAT. It wasn't as smooth as reels costing 1/4 what it does. Not particularly light. Nothing special about the drag. Just another reel-albeit overpriced.

The citica was even worse.

Maybe they cast great? Other reels do too. And I couldn't take anyones word for it, because according to most, those reels are so super smooth and refined. Yet CLEARLY they are NOT

Overrated reels no doubt about it.

IMO one thing youre missing is:

How will this gear feel in 2 years after every day use?

K_Mac reply :

I was going to hit the quote button to see if we could set a new record for number and length...

I think that sanother sitebasser and bilgerat have points. It is generally acceptable to bash some products while others seem to be more sacred than others. Why is it acceptable to say Quantum, BPS, and others make junk, yet if someone has the boldness to say he is not impressed with Shimano he is criticized for his opinion? We can say what we know, what we think, what we think we know, what we've heard, that's all cool. We need to be tolerent enough to let others do the same.

As usual Glenn is the voice of reason. "If you like brand Y, great! Let's hear why you like it. But please refrain from bashing brand X in the process."

Tin reply :

WHOOPS!!!

I did not mean it like that, I appoligize. What I was referring to is shows and expos (I didn't even think of those who ask questions on this sight). The first thing that comes to mind is the demonstrations they do at things like the Berkley tank when they have 12 year olds showing people how to fish.

I think people should buy reels and rods that they have handled and had experience with. I see so many things in the flea market section that have been recommended and such. When I recommend something or get a recommendation I would go handle it at a BPS or store and tried or call up a friend that might have one to try out.

So this is what I meant. Sorry for the insert foot in mouth comment.

Catt reply :

One can go to Wal/Mart, Harbor Freight, or some other outlet store to buy mechanic, carpenter, electrician, machinist tools ect and these tools will work but they are not designed for industrial use. Yes these tools wills last the weekend guy a lifetime of light to medium use and serve him quite well.

Now look at it through my eyes I am a journeyman carpenter/mechanic my tools are what I make my livelihood with so I must depend on my tools to perform every single time I use them under extremely adverse conditions with limited failure.

Now relate this to bass fishing; when I hit the lake it will be from sunup to sunset, under extremely adverse conditions, and with full expectations of bass in excess of 6 pounds so any failure on the part of my tools is not accepted.

NewKidInTown reply :

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After looking over the green Curado and Citica 200e It's clearly obvious to me that there is a BUNCH of bandwagoning that happens in tackle selection.
Those two reels felt no better than a BPS reel that goes on sale for $50. The curado looked GREAT. It wasn't as smooth as reels costing 1/4 what it does. Not particularly light. Nothing special about the drag. Just another reel-albeit overpriced.

The citica was even worse.

Maybe they cast great? Other reels do too. And I couldn't take anyones word for it, because according to most, those reels are so super smooth and refined. Yet CLEARLY they are NOT

Overrated reels no doubt about it.

BPS REEL? ;D

rubba bubba reply :

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One can go to Wal/Mart, Harbor Freight, or some other outlet store to buy mechanic, carpenter, electrician, machinist tools ect and these tools will work but they are not designed for industrial use. Yes these tools wills last the weekend guy a lifetime of light to medium use and serve him quite well.
Now look at it through my eyes I am a journeyman carpenter/mechanic my tools are what I make my livelihood with so I must depend on my tools to perform every single time I use them under extremely adverse conditions with limited failure.

Now relate this to bass fishing; when I hit the lake it will be from sunup to sunset, under extremely adverse conditions, and with full expectations of bass in excess of 6 pounds so any failure on the part of my tools is not accepted.

Yes, but are you fishing every day sunup to sunset? Since your livelihood is as a carpenter/mechanic, not a basspro, the answer would be no, I presume. So this puts you in your own described "weekend guy" category, which means you'll get a lifetime out of use for most reels made today.

Very few on this board would fall into your carpenter category as very few on here fish for a living. There are some, for sure, just not many compared to the majority of members.

Uncle Leo reply :

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After looking over the green Curado and Citica 200e It's clearly obvious to me that there is a BUNCH of bandwagoning that happens in tackle selection.
Those two reels felt no better than a BPS reel that goes on sale for $50. The curado looked GREAT. It wasn't as smooth as reels costing 1/4 what it does. Not particularly light. Nothing special about the drag. Just another reel-albeit overpriced.

The citica was even worse.

Maybe they cast great? Other reels do too. And I couldn't take anyones word for it, because according to most, those reels are so super smooth and refined. Yet CLEARLY they are NOT

Overrated reels no doubt about it.

IMO one thing youre missing is:

How will this gear feel in 2 years after every day use?

The Shimano's will be smoother. There is something about Shimano and Abu reels that the longer you use them the smoother they get. I Own Shimano, Diawa, Abu, Plueger, Quantum and BPS reels. All where purchased for a particular use. My last 5 reels were Shimano as I learned something. Smoothness is nice but performance is much better in consideration for a purchase. I have found that based on my style casting Shimano fits my needs. This may not be the case for everyone thus brand loyalty. I believe the same goes for rods as I also have numerous manufacturer rods. Some cast better and some have better sensitivity. I guess to each their own, after-all most spend their own money.

Catt reply :

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One can go to Wal/Mart, Harbor Freight, or some other outlet store to buy mechanic, carpenter, electrician, machinist tools ect and these tools will work but they are not designed for industrial use. Yes these tools wills last the weekend guy a lifetime of light to medium use and serve him quite well.
Now look at it through my eyes I am a journeyman carpenter/mechanic my tools are what I make my livelihood with so I must depend on my tools to perform every single time I use them under extremely adverse conditions with limited failure.

Now relate this to bass fishing; when I hit the lake it will be from sunup to sunset, under extremely adverse conditions, and with full expectations of bass in excess of 6 pounds so any failure on the part of my tools is not accepted.

Yes, but are you fishing every day sunup to sunset? Since your livelihood is as a carpenter/mechanic, not a basspro, the answer would be no, I presume. So this puts you in your own described "weekend guy" category, which means you'll get a lifetime out of use for most reels made today.

Very few on this board would fall into your carpenter category as very few on here fish for a living. There are some, for sure, just not many compared to the majority of members.

Total Bass Caught 2009: 2223

Total days on the water: 158

Average daily catch: 14.07

Bass under 14: 482

Bass over 14: 1741

Bass over 5 lbs: 83

Bass over 6 lbs: 57

Bass over 7 lbs: 16

Bass over 8 lbs: 0

Bass over 9 lbs: 0

Bass over 10 lbs: 0

Largest: 7 lbs 8 ozs

Yelp that's puts me in the "weekend guy" category

Uncle Leo reply :

Looks like you have been busy Catt. Wear out any gear?

K_Mac reply :

Catt you make some great points. With your resume you have my respect and I value your opinion.

I made a living working with tools, mechanical and electrical, my entire working life (30+ years). I understand the value of quality equipment. When young and inexperienced I bought some Harbor Freight Quality tools. It did not take long to learn that if one is using tools everyday to make a living, cheap wasn't necessarily good. Most of my wrenches, sockets, and such ended up coming from a chain store-Sears. As the years went on much of my Craftsman stuff was upgraded to their Professional line, but still Sears merchandise. Most anyone who uses tools will tell you Craftsmen tools are not the best, but based on quality, price, warranty, and service they are hard to beat.

All of my pipe and tubing tools-Ridgid. My electrical tools, including screwdrivers-Klein. Meters-Fluke. I never found a better value in these tools, although I did try a few times.

I've never owned Snap-on tools. I've used them a few times, and would readily agree they are fine tools. I'm just not willing to spend that much for that little difference.

My point is we all make value judgments based on our own experience. Because I use Craftsmen tools or BPS reels does not mean I am inexperienced or unknowing. It simply means they work for me.

bilgerat reply :

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One can go to Wal/Mart, Harbor Freight, or some other outlet store to buy mechanic, carpenter, electrician, machinist tools ect and these tools will work but they are not designed for industrial use. Yes these tools wills last the weekend guy a lifetime of light to medium use and serve him quite well.
Now look at it through my eyes I am a journeyman carpenter/mechanic my tools are what I make my livelihood with so I must depend on my tools to perform every single time I use them under extremely adverse conditions with limited failure.

Now relate this to bass fishing; when I hit the lake it will be from sunup to sunset, under extremely adverse conditions, and with full expectations of bass in excess of 6 pounds so any failure on the part of my tools is not accepted.

I'm a journeyman diesel mechanic, so allow me to add my .02....Catt is right on when it comes to tools BUT there are suitable alternatives. You've all seen the Snap On trucks loaded with the high dollar tools. Over the years Snap On's service has deteriorated to the point most of the guys in our crew (myself included) won't deal with them anymore. Craftsman, Proto and S-K are a few that come to mind that are excellent tools. I can't have tools fail when I'm working on a tugboat out in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay and my Craftsman's have not let me down.

The point is there is more than one choice. If through experience you like brand X, fine. I've used all of the tools I've mentioned, have you extensively fished with all of the reels you bash* ?

*not directed at Catt. I quoted his response for the tool discussion.

Hammer 4 reply :

Different strokes, for different folks..

In the end, nobody I know was ever sorry they bought the best they could afford.

Shimmano bashing..? Where's Muddy..lol ;D

I am also a carpenter, and have never bought cheap tools. There's usually a reason why better stuff cost's more.

Catt reply :

Quality in a product is not what the manufacturer puts in...It is what the customer gets out and is willing to pay for.

Catt reply :

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Looks like you have been busy Catt. Wear out any gear?

Other than wearing out the occasional spinner bait or Trap it took 10 years for me to wear out the paw & worm gear on a Shimano Calcutta 50A but that was more my fault than the product since I have a bad habit of engaging the spool while the bait is still in the air.

Uncle Leo reply :

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Looks like you have been busy Catt. Wear out any gear?

Other than wearing out the occasional spinner bait or Trap it took 10 years for me to wear out the paw & worm gear on a Shimano Calcutta 50A but that was more my fault than the product since I have a bad habit of engaging the spool while the bait is still in the air.

Sounds like that reel served you well, a little extra going in paid dividends it seems.

Lucky Craft Man reply :

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Looks like you have been busy Catt. Wear out any gear?

Other than wearing out the occasional spinner bait or Trap it took 10 years for me to wear out the paw & worm gear on a Shimano Calcutta 50A but that was more my fault than the product since I have a bad habit of engaging the spool while the bait is still in the air.

I have that same bad habit. I haven't worn any gears out yet, but I don't get to fish nearly as much as you do.

rubba bubba reply :

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Yelp that's puts me in the "weekend guy" category

Well unless you are making your livelihood with fishing (your definition, not mine), then it sounds like there's a 3rd category in between that you would fall into. Let's call it the SSWW - Super Studly Weekend Warrior.

OK Bass Hunter reply :

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Looks like you have been busy Catt. Wear out any gear?

Other than wearing out the occasional spinner bait or Trap it took 10 years for me to wear out the paw & worm gear on a Shimano Calcutta 50A but that was more my fault than the product since I have a bad habit of engaging the spool while the bait is still in the air.

I have that same bad habit. I haven't worn any gears out yet, but I don't get to fish nearly as much as you do.

Wow I thought I was the only person with that bad habit, but I do the same thing with my Calcutta's also.

VAfishin4me reply :

Look, we all have our brands, and I *** those that have numerous or can honestly say they have tried them all and found their favorites. Personally, I don't have enough money to try out every brand of baitcaster, spinning reel, line, lure, or rod. I have brands that work for me and the ones I haven't tried that could be better, but is it wrong for me to give an opinion on a Shimano reel even if I haven't tried every other brand. Brand loyalty, just like knowledge come directly from experience, and I think all opinions should be valued even if that other angler hasn't been fishing as long as you. The "Shimano posse" has come to be a derrogative term I have noticed on this site, but imo I have seen little evidence to support the idea that they are trying to make us all use Shimano, and I also have seen little reason to doubt the opinions of the so called "members" of this group. Once again, I find virtue in brand loyalty, and those that stand beside their Abus, Shimanos, Daiwas, BPS, etc. because all of their opinions matter and can make a difference in the choices I make as a fisherman. However, this doesn't mean I can't try different brands when possible, or that I feel the need to bash anyone who I feel may be biased just because they enjoy fishing a certain brand of tackle.

Incheon Basser reply :

OK here are my .02 Here is a little about me... I'm 29 years old. I was born in Osage Beach Missouri and lived in Camdenton Mo. on lake road 5-88 right on the Niangua Arm with the lake in my back yard. started fishing at age 5. Moved to Blue Springs Mo at 9 years of age and lived on lake Tapawingo. moved to Washington Mo. at age 15 and lived with in walking distance of the Missouri River. then at the age of 27 moved to Lake Sherwood Mo. with the lake in my back yard. I Fished every day from thaw to freeze for years. It's easy when your deck and dock are the same thing. I'm not a wealthy guy and have Bass Pro Extreams, Bionics, Shakespere ugly stick lite pro Rods (which I love for moving baits) Falcon Bucoo's (my most expensive rods to date.. Which I love) Citca 200e, Quantum TE PT, Cabelas mag-touch, Banax Lexima lx-108 bait caster, and i'm sorry but out of all the reels i have including the PT TE the Citca is by far the best reel I have, even though it cost a third of the TE to be honest i like my extremes better then the TE. My Reels and rods have been hammered over the years... The fact I have not fished since Aug. is killing me.

I understand Brand Loyalty... But for some one who has Bought a ton of cheep gear in his life... The Citca is by far the best reel i have bought. It is because of the quality of this reel that I have become a Shimano Guy but I like to collect gear and want one of everything. but it's hard to do when you only get an allowance of 420 bucks a month from your wife to buy and pay for all things a guy needs from gas to gear. This is the first time in my life I have not lived with in walking distance from a great fishery AND IT SUCKS.

I think every one is a fan of who they are a fan of because of there experience. No one is right and no one is wrong. IT"S A MATTER OF OPINION. so agree to disagree

I don't know why so many people think they know more about this than others when most of us don't even know each other

The Home I miss

rubba bubba reply :

It would seem there is a unifying force that is resulting in the BR members coming together whereas they would normally be apart:

the Shimano Posse

roadwarrior reply :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azESmq6KENQ

KSRonH reply :

RW,

That's one drunk pony!!

Primus reply :

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After looking over the green Curado and Citica 200e It's clearly obvious to me that there is a BUNCH of bandwagoning that happens in tackle selection.
Those two reels felt no better than a BPS reel that goes on sale for $50. The curado looked GREAT. It wasn't as smooth as reels costing 1/4 what it does. Not particularly light. Nothing special about the drag. Just another reel-albeit overpriced.

The citica was even worse.

Maybe they cast great? Other reels do too. And I couldn't take anyones word for it, because according to most, those reels are so super smooth and refined. Yet CLEARLY they are NOT

Overrated reels no doubt about it.

Sorry, I know I'm late to the party as I just read this thread today. Shimano overated, I'm sorry but I just can't help myself ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;

Seriously, I fish app 70-80 outings per year and I'll admit I'm very fortuneate to be able to get out as much as I do with a typical outing being 6-8 hours. That said I've been using Shimano baitcasting reels for app 15 years, the one certainity is that they last, have high performance and are dependable. The few times I've tried other reels besides a Shimano I've been disapointed. I'm also a proud member of the Shimano posse.

Fat-G reply :

Since I'm 15, I can't go out and buy a $200 reel just for crankbaits, spinnerbaits, or topwaters. I have ONE chance when I'm buying a rod or reel to get it right, therefore I research, and research, and research rods/reels before I buy them. That's why I've been posting so much stuff about this rod compared to that rod, etc. In the end, I look for the best performance for the price, therefore I have a Citica, will soon have a Powell 705c and Compre CPC-X610MHB, and then MAYBE a used high-end Shimano reel (Chronarch, Curado, etc).

Basically I need the best value in the $100-$150 range. Some people don't like Shimano, but I think the Citica is the best reel you can get for the price. One again, I THINK that. Some people will agree, others won't.

Another $.02 to add to the pot.

burleytog reply :

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After looking over the green Curado and Citica 200e It's clearly obvious to me that there is a BUNCH of bandwagoning that happens in tackle selection.
Those two reels felt no better than a BPS reel that goes on sale for $50. The curado looked GREAT. It wasn't as smooth as reels costing 1/4 what it does. Not particularly light. Nothing special about the drag. Just another reel-albeit overpriced.

The citica was even worse.

Maybe they cast great? Other reels do too. And I couldn't take anyones word for it, because according to most, those reels are so super smooth and refined. Yet CLEARLY they are NOT

Overrated reels no doubt about it.

You had your mind made up before you handled anything.

flechero reply :

Many guys dismiss completely the opinions of those of us who fish multiple brands and have used particular pieces of equipment for years on end, without a specific loyalty to any brand. And you wonder why we poke fun at you on occasion? :

These same guys make full reviews based on a 2 minute fondle at the reel counter- never even cast or use the reel. ;D I do recall that the zebco 202 feels pretty smooth at the counter... :-?

I find it pretty funny that the anti shimano crowd is so set on bashing that they are actually worse than the homers... and then throw out a comment like "I wonder when my post will disappear..."

That's a load in the shorts. Not to mention a slap in the face of all the mods. If you (and I mean all the bashers, not any one person in particular) would pony up and buy a decent reel, there would be very little drama here. Oh, I meant to ask what "great" reel was available for 1/4 the price of a curado? Even at FULL MSRP, that leaves $45 for said "great reel."

And before you say "I had a XXX reel..." One experience does not qualify you to make gross generalizations of an entire brand, good or bad.

enough of my rant... I have to clock in.

skunked_again reply :

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Many guys dismiss completely the opinions of those of us who fish multiple brands and have used particular pieces of equipment for years on end, without a specific loyalty to any brand. And you wonder why we poke fun at you on occasion? :
These same guys make full reviews based on a 2 minute fondle at the reel counter- never even cast or use the reel. ;D I do recall that the zebco 202 feels pretty smooth at the counter... :-?

I find it pretty funny that the anti shimano crowd is so set on bashing that they are actually worse than the homers... and then throw out a comment like "I wonder when my post will disappear..."

That's a load in the shorts. Not to mention a slap in the face of all the mods. If you (and I mean all the bashers, not any one person in particular) would pony up and buy a decent reel, there would be very little drama here. Oh, I meant to ask what "great" reel was available for 1/4 the price of a curado? Even at FULL MSRP, that leaves $45 for said "great reel."

And before you say "I had a XXX reel..." One experience does not qualify you to make gross generalizations of an entire brand, good or bad.

enough of my rant... I have to clock in.

I guess everyone missed Glenn's post to let it go?

To all the people crying about somone saying a bad thing about a Shimano real.....Take a look in the mirror. As over and over products are dismissed as junk because they aren't shimano. :

Apparently you need to actually READ the post I made. I said in that post in may well cast GREAT. But I'm not taking your word for it. Because before actually checking them out, I would have had to take everone at their word of how smooth they are.....Which would have been a mistake.

I did not "throw out" a comment about when my post will disappear. In fact BECAUSE I made that comment is the ONLY reason the stuff stayed up. I have had my postes deleted and edited several times now. And I feel it all stems from a signature I had that a mod didn't like.

im not really seeing that on this forum.

Pantera61 reply :

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Many guys dismiss completely the opinions of those of us who fish multiple brands and have used particular pieces of equipment for years on end, without a specific loyalty to any brand. And you wonder why we poke fun at you on occasion? :
These same guys make full reviews based on a 2 minute fondle at the reel counter- never even cast or use the reel. ;D I do recall that the zebco 202 feels pretty smooth at the counter... :-?

I find it pretty funny that the anti shimano crowd is so set on bashing that they are actually worse than the homers... and then throw out a comment like "I wonder when my post will disappear..."

That's a load in the shorts. Not to mention a slap in the face of all the mods. If you (and I mean all the bashers, not any one person in particular) would pony up and buy a decent reel, there would be very little drama here. Oh, I meant to ask what "great" reel was available for 1/4 the price of a curado? Even at FULL MSRP, that leaves $45 for said "great reel."

And before you say "I had a XXX reel..." One experience does not qualify you to make gross generalizations of an entire brand, good or bad.

enough of my rant... I have to clock in.

Since you addressed all in the clear thinking, non-drone, wouldn't jump off the bridge if everybody else did crowd, I'll respond right back with the same cow flop you just tried to toss on everybody else. How many Shimano reels am I supposed to buy and how long am I supposed to use it before my conclusion is supposed to be valid?

I have used Shimano and it didn't a whole lot for me, nothing I couldn't get from an ABU 2005LP @$75 or so? I have used the Shimano Antares7DC, the Daiwa TDZ 103H beats it hands down. Citica, Curado, Scorpion? Revo, Zillion, Sol or Fuego.

If you want to run with the pack, stick with Shimano. If you want to lead the pack, run with Daiwa or ABU. Just remember, unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes.

Oh, yeah, I've been fishing about 40 years.

flechero reply :

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Apparently you need to actually READ the post I made. I said in that post in may well cast GREAT.

You said it may... as in you don't know because you haven't used one before reviewing it.

You are entitled to any opinion you want, but before you say things do or don't, you should at least have an idea of whether it will or won't. Saying it is overpriced is fine... but you should just say you think it's overpriced. That is a valid opinion. But to ***** its performance w/o experience dillutes the good advice and opinions this site's reputation was built upon.

flechero reply :

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Since you addressed all in the clear thinking, non-drone, wouldn't jump off the bridge if everybody else did crowd, I'll respond right back with the same cow flop you just tried to toss on everybody else. How many Shimano reels am I supposed to buy and how long am I supposed to use it before my conclusion is supposed to be valid?

I have used Shimano and it didn't a whole lot for me, nothing I couldn't get from an ABU 2005LP @$75 or so? I have used the Shimano Antares7DC, the Daiwa TDZ 103H beats it hands down. Citica, Curado, Scorpion? Revo, Zillion, Sol or Fuego.

If you want to run with the pack, stick with Shimano. If you want to lead the pack, run with Daiwa or ABU. Just remember, unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes.

Oh, yeah, I've been fishing about 40 years.

Geez, did I hit a nerve? No one questioned your experience... but since you brought it up, how many of those years are with the reels we are talking about. I suspect no more than the years I have been using them. And yes, I also have a number of ABu's, Daiwa's and Shimanos.

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If you want to lead the pack, run with Daiwa or ABU

There is a well thought out comparison. And exactly the kind of talk that adds no value to a discussion.

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How many Shimano reels am I supposed to buy and how long am I supposed to use it before my conclusion is supposed to be valid?

One is enough to comment on your single reel... a few is better but like any advice, it should be considered based on the sampling. (and the rewiewer)

As i stated, those who HAVE NOT owned or used them shouldn't review. If you have, great, make a legitimate comparison or review and I won't say a word. I wasn't addressing you in my post. But thanks to your participation in this thread, I will consider your reel advice differently from now on.

Grey Wolf reply :

And the bashing goes on even with christmas just around the corner.

What a shame.

Gatorbassman reply :

I'm locking this for a little while while I read through the whole thing and then give a logical (why do I have to moderate adults) response.

Gatorbassman reply :

Almost on a daily basis someone will ask "What is the best.......?". This person will usually be someone who is fairly new to fishing or has been away from it for some amount of time. This question always makes me cringe because they are looking for a right answer and there just isn't one. There isn't even a wrong answer. All they will get is a confusing bombardment of differing opinions.

Then to add insult to injury they get to see the posse and the anti posse folks go at each other's necks like a pack of dogs.

Why some people get so upset when another member says something bad about "their" brand I haven't a clue. All I know is that a personal, attacking response is childish.

How do you think this looks to a new angler? How do you think this looks to an outsider?

If you read a post that makes you angry STOP and step back and read it again. Then ask yourself if what you read is what they really meant or are you just interpreting it wrong. Then respond with respect and ask them if you read it right.

If you find yourself in total disagreement with someone for their post that's fine. Respect their opinion and respond with respect. Be careful of how you word things. They aren't wrong and you aren't wrong.

Deal with your differences like adults and you will be amazed at the learning experiences and friendships that you will get from the whole situation.

This forum's number one rule is "respect each other". I hate looking like I'm taking a side because two people or groups can't respect each other.

Hammer 4 reply :

Different strokes, for different folks...

And, there's always the "search" feature to help people find info. for common questions.

Glenn reply :

And just to reiterate:

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I think the point here is that - for whatever reason - some people prefer brand X over brand Y. No big deal. Why should everyone like the same brand anyway? That would be....dull.
However, to the extent people get into a catfight over which is better is absurd. It is, after all, just fishing.

If you like brand Y, great! Let's hear why you like it. But please refrain from bashing brand X in the process.

That's all I ask.

Thanks!

Glenn

Pantera61 reply :

You know, normally I'm a live and let live kind of guy and really don't care what kind of reel, rod, screwdriver, donut, whatever people choose. There just comes a point where you have to swat the mosquito.

Some guy will ask a question about a Daiwa, Abu, Shakespeare, Pinnacle, Penn for a specific reason and without fail, someone from a specific "posse" pipes in with an unwanted comment to try another brand of reel associated with a specific "posse" as if they are going to a receive a commission on the sale.

People know what they want and know what they don't want. If they wanted advice on a particular "posse's" favorite brand of reel, they would have asked about it.

Thanks

SWMIBASSER reply :

This thread took a turn for the better.

While I'm not terribly impressed with the products I gave a quick once over, I probably conveyed that in a combative tone....

That was wrong and I appologize.

I'm also looking forward to a more bash free zone

VAfishin4me reply :

To get back to the original topic, I would say anyone looking at this thread can see that brand loyalty clearly has a HUGE impact on the members here along with purchases, opinions, and tackle choices.

flechero reply :

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You know, normally I'm a live and let live kind of guy and really don't care what kind of reel, rod, screwdriver, donut, whatever people choose. There just comes a point where you have to swat the mosquito.
Some guy will ask a question about a Daiwa, Abu, Shakespeare, Pinnacle, Penn for a specific reason and without fail, someone from a specific "posse" pipes in with an unwanted comment to try another brand of reel associated with a specific "posse" as if they are going to a receive a commission on the sale.

People know what they want and know what they don't want. If they wanted advice on a particular "posse's" favorite brand of reel, they would have asked about it.

I agree with that... and I tried to say it earlier, just not as clearly as I should have... it's just as annoying when people champion the "shimano or nothing" chant as when other bash. (to me anyway)

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