Flouro Problems 2024
11justin22 reply :
Ok, I recently decided I would try flouro. Went on the cheap first and bought some red label. The sensitevty was awesome but I found the memory and abrasion restiance a little lacking. Then one trip I got one of those professional overruns......picked it out and when I reeld up I was stuck. I just reeled down to it and pop...half my freaking spool was gone. So I decided since the sensitevty was so great I would try some abrazx. Everything red label was and more except a little more stretchy. Then tonight after six or so trips on the line I did the same thing as before. Backlash..hung up...pop....half my spool gone. It's getting old. I know of the problems with getting a knick in your line and flouro breaking. This last one I was extra careful to not pull hard to kink the line and it still done it. So my question is....is there a fix for this? Is there a better line that doesn't do this AS bad. I just happened to pick a up box of invisix for ten bucks earlier today so I guess that will be going on next...
hooah212002 reply :
Did you put any KVD on it? I am not saying for sure that it would have helped, but theoretically it would have.
MarkH024 reply :
Your birds nest could have caused the line to cut through or partially through itself. KVD line conditioner is magical with fluorocarbon. It will soften it up really nice. Apply it before you go out and a few times during.
I hate to be blunt,but it's more than likely that it was an error by you. Check your guides too. Bad guide could have put a nick in the line.
iabass8 reply :
There really isnt a fix for that issue unless you go up in price a ways which isnt for everyone. Those kinks in fluoro will just happen and its something you will just get better at by knowing when to pick out certain areas. I use red label for shallow cranks and had the same issues except i casted the kink out and and off went the bait. Line conditioner will help a little with kinks but not the end all for it. Getting more proficient with your brakes will help more than anything.
11justin22 reply :
Line was soaked kvd several times and yes it helps with managing it. To the guys saying its an error by me I agree but I'm not a newbie to baitcasters either. Been using them for twenty years. Not the rod either as this was two different rods( I didn't make that clear). I chalked the first time up to me pulling backlash out to rough. The second time I literally had two backlashes in 6 trip on that line. I babied it and got it out gently. Just sucks cause that stuff is twenty five bucks a box. I really want flouro to work as its great with trigs and jigs. If that is my only, option to baby it more, I guess I will just deal with it.
TNBassin' reply :
I've had issues with fluoro as a main line, and I've given up. Not gonna spend big money on line. Gonna give Yo Zuri a try, since it seems like it's the perfect mix between fluoro an mono.
rockchalk06 reply :
What were you using to pick the backlash out?
I hated red label. Had way to much memory for me. I have some invizix I'm trying out.
I am about ready to just say screw it and stick with braid and a fluoro leader. Hopefully the invizix will fair better
11justin22 reply :
On 8/31/2012 at 3:53 PM, rockchalk06 said:What were you using to pick the backlash out?
I hated red label. Had way to much memory for me. I have some invizix I'm trying out.
I am about ready to just say screw it and stick with braid and a fluoro leader. Hopefully the invizix will fair better
My hand....
NMarotta28 reply :
What i do is put like 10-20 yards of braid on first so the fluoro doesnt dig into the spool.. I just tie my 12lb berkley vanish onto it and spool it up.. Havent had any problems yet. Like everyone else said.. Check ur guides etc. Best of luck.
msolorio reply :
Well your first problem was using fluoro with the seaguar name on it lol jk jk when it comes to fluoro, you get what you pay for and if it's not made in Japan, dont waste your time. The Japanese have that market down and are so strict on quality control and those dudes really pay attention to detail. I know it's expensive but get toray super hard upgrade. That stuff is insanely strong and if you throw a backlash you dont have to worry about breaking off at all because the stuff is just beastly. Idk if a line conditioner really does anything to fluoro because I dont think fluoro absorbs liquid but I could be wrong.
11justin22 reply :
On 9/2/2012 at 12:19 AM, msolorio said:Well your first problem was using fluoro with the seaguar name on it lol jk jk when it comes to fluoro, you get what you pay for and if it's not made in Japan, dont waste your time. The Japanese have that market down and are so strict on quality control and those dudes really pay attention to detail. I know it's expensive but get toray super hard upgrade. That stuff is insanely strong and if you throw a backlash you dont have to worry about breaking off at all because the stuff is just beastly. Idk if a line conditioner really does anything to fluoro because I dont think fluoro absorbs liquid but I could be wrong.
???? Seaguar is made in Japan and abrazx is roughly 26 or 27 bucks a box depending I where u get it. It's not an entry level flouro.
Anyways after some research looks like it is defiantly just the nature of the beast. The backlash is defiantly the problem. I'm still experimenting with different brands. Going to try sme sunline next I believe.
msolorio reply :
Yea true it is but it seems like a lot of people, well friends of mine are switching from seaguar to other fluoros because of inconsistencies. Sunline is amazing stuff. I've straightened med. Wire hooks with 14# sniper, it was crazy. Toray fluoro is absolutely amazing. I have nothing but great things to say about both sunline and toray. Toray is a bit expensive but you get what you pay for.
11justin22 reply :
On 9/2/2012 at 3:17 AM, msolorio said:Yea true it is but it seems like a lot of people, well friends of mine are switching from seaguar to other fluoros because of inconsistencies. Sunline is amazing stuff. I've straightened med. Wire hooks with 14# sniper, it was crazy. Toray fluoro is absolutely amazing. I have nothing but great things to say about both sunline and toray. Toray is a bit expensive but you get what you pay for.
I could be wrong but it seems like a read that sunline is made in the toray plant. Would make since why u like both of them. It's going to be the next line I try. I'm not ready to give up on it yet.
joeyd50 reply :
I use braid and a 2 or 3 foot leader of flurocarbon uni to uni knot and never had a problem. And even more sensative
fishking247 reply :
use mono, screw fluoro. too many problems and the last thing i want to have to worry about is my line snapping every time i hook a fish. mono is cheap, cheap enough to respool once a month and not have to worry about all the hassles of fluoro and applying "KVD line conditioner" to your line every week
BASSclary reply :
Backlashes, even small ones, can and will kink your line almost all the time. Once it kinks, it will break there. Sorry, but it happens with all fluorocarbon lines, including Sunline and Toray. And FWIW, Sunline and Toray are overpriced for what they are and people overhype them to an extreme. Toray is slightly better than Seahuar, but not worth the price of admission. Sunline has less memory than Seaguar, but that's because it's diameter is so small. That also equates to it's lack of abrasion resistance IMO. I think Seaguar is a nice blend of abrasion, and handling.
msolorio reply :
Well there's really only 2, maybe 3 plants in the world that extrude fluoro. 2 of which are in Japan and one in I think Germany but I could be wrong. They might both be extruded in the same factory but they are not the same at all. Toray seems to be a step above every other fluoro I've tried in every way. Its not as limp as most fluoros but its still very manageable. I dont think you can go wrong with either though.
msolorio reply :
On 9/2/2012 at 11:58 AM, BASSclary said:Backlashes, even small ones, can and will kink your line almost all the time. Once it kinks, it will break there. Sorry, but it happens with all fluorocarbon lines, including Sunline and Toray. And FWIW, Sunline and Toray are overpriced for what they are and people overhype them to an extreme. Toray is slightly better than Seahuar, but not worth the price of admission. Sunline has less memory than Seaguar, but that's because it's diameter is so small. That also equates to it's lack of abrasion resistance IMO. I think Seaguar is a nice blend of abrasion, and handling.
Its hyped because its better. I'm not knocking seaguar in any way but from experience with the stuff, its complete junk to me. I had nothing but problems. Sunline as well as today's abrasion resistance is insanely awesome. I've had fish drag my line over rock, through timber, You name it and I still got fish in the boat. Never ever had a fish break off, not once. Seaguar on the other hand, break offs on hooksets, fish breaking off, way too much stretch, just problems. Idk but id rather spend the money on fluoro I know is and has been consistent than spend money on fluoro that's not so consistent. Oh and btw, sunline sniper, one of the best fluoros on the market, is only about a buck more than seaguar so idk why people say its expensive. Toray is pricey buuut you get what you pay for.
NMarotta28 reply :
When i first tried fluoro I absolutely hated it.. i mean really despised it.. After countless backspools a friend of mine told me to try tieing a 2-3 foot leader at the beginning of my spool with some braid.. I tried it out and havent looked back since. I use 12lb Berkley Vanish and i tell you it casts so smooth and so far and rarely backspool unless i make a mistake.
*Hootie reply :
On 8/31/2012 at 1:54 PM, TNBassin said:I've had issues with fluoro as a main line, and I've given up. Not gonna spend big money on line. Gonna give Yo Zuri a try, since it seems like it's the perfect mix between fluoro an mono.
Given up here too. I am using Yozuri, and Vicious Ultimate. Both work great for me. I refuse to spend $20.00+ for a spool of line.
You get what you pay for? Ahh, if only that were always true. What a wonderful world it would be.
Hootie
Highhawk1948 reply :
fishking247, that is exactly what I did. Went back to mono. Did the line dressing and spraying it but to much drama with it. Have tied a FC leader to my dropshot though. We'll see how that works.
Highhawk1948 reply :
fishking247, that is exactly what I did. Went back to mono. Did the line dressing and spraying it but too much drama with it. Have tied a FC leader to my dropshot though. We'll see how that works.
TNBassin' reply :
How soft is the Yo Zuri? I'm reluctant to lay the cash down for this line, one because they make an ultra soft that no one seems to prefer over the original, and 2 because I'm told a line conditioner is a must, and 3 because I have come to hate fluorocarbon line because it's too stiff.On 9/3/2012 at 12:21 AM, hootiebenji said:Given up here too. I am using Yozuri, and Vicious Ultimate. Both work great for me. I refuse to spend $20.00+ for a spool of line.
You get what you pay for? Ahh, if only that were always true. What a wonderful world it would be.
Hootie
*Hootie reply :
On 9/3/2012 at 4:09 AM, TNBassin said:How soft is the Yo Zuri? I'm reluctant to lay the cash down for this line, one because they make an ultra soft that no one seems to prefer over the original, and 2 because I'm told a line conditioner is a must, and 3 because I have come to hate fluorocarbon line because it's too stiff.
I use KVD line conditioner, simply because I already have a bottle. So I don't know that it wouldn't work just fine without it. My guess is that it would work just fine. I wouldn't worry to much about the expense of line conditioner. I'm still using a bottle I've had for 2 years.
Hootie
11justin22 reply :
On 9/2/2012 at 10:18 PM, NMarotta28 said:When i first tried fluoro I absolutely hated it.. i mean really despised it.. After countless backspools a friend of mine told me to try tieing a 2-3 foot leader at the beginning of my spool with some braid.. I tried it out and havent looked back since. I use 12lb Berkley Vanish and i tell you it casts so smooth and so far and rarely backspool unless i make a mistake.
Are u saying u put three foot of braid then the rest with flouro? Or braid with a flouro leader? If the first I have never heard of that, why would it solve the problem?
fishking247 reply :
On 9/3/2012 at 3:14 AM, Highhawk1948 said:fishking247, that is exactly what I did. Went back to mono. Did the line dressing and spraying it but too much drama with it. Have tied a FC leader to my dropshot though. We'll see how that works.
old school works best! i have never used a leader with my mono. i used to use one with braid but don't even do that anymore. if mono is spooled correctly you should have no problems with it. at the end of the trip put a heavy lure on, cast it out far and retrieve back slow and steady so the line goes tight back on the spool.
NMarotta28 reply :
On 9/3/2012 at 12:14 PM, 11justin22 said:Are u saying u put three foot of braid then the rest with flouro? Or braid with a flouro leader? If the first I have never heard of that, why would it solve the problem?
I use about 5 foot of braid on the bottom of the reel, then the rest fluoro. I am not sure why it works.. but once I did this i never had any problems. Maybe because the fluoro carbon doesnt get to tight around the bottom of the spool and cause problems while you cast? I really don't have that answer but after I put braid on the bottom of the spool i never had any backlashes. 
11justin22 reply :
On 9/4/2012 at 6:42 AM, NMarotta28 said:I use about 5 foot of braid on the bottom of the reel, then the rest fluoro. I am not sure why it works.. but once I did this i never had any problems. Maybe because the fluoro carbon doesnt get to tight around the bottom of the spool and cause problems while you cast? I really don't have that answer but after I put braid on the bottom of the spool i never had any backlashes.
Hmmm going to give it a try. still don't know why it would work but I never claimed to be the smartest guy LOL.
Hooligan reply :
On 9/2/2012 at 3:17 AM, msolorio said:Yea true it is but it seems like a lot of people, well friends of mine are switching from seaguar to other fluoros because of inconsistencies. Sunline is amazing stuff. I've straightened med. Wire hooks with 14# sniper, it was crazy. Toray fluoro is absolutely amazing. I have nothing but great things to say about both sunline and toray. Toray is a bit expensive but you get what you pay for.
Seaguar is the most consistent fluorocarbon on the US market right now. It's the second most on the international market, and the most is from the Parent company Kureha under a different name. Their line is accurate to nearly 1-millionth an inch. There's no one else in the industry that is approaching that, particularly not sunline. All of the testing I've seen, and been part of, actually shows that sunline is inconsistent in most diameters, ranging from .00039 to as much as .00099. The second thing is that Seaguar is the ONLY company that manufactures its lines from start to finish. They produce their own resin, extrude it, finish it, wind it, and package it. NOT ONE other company in the industry does that. Also, for the record, they don't sell their resin, or produce line for any other line company, and have only one private label. Thirdly, if you think that Toray isn't guilty of inconsistency, why do you think that Bass Pro XPS fluoro was unavailable for the ENTIRE summer?
msolorio reply :
That's cool but I base my opinions on experience with products. I'll never knock a product ever but ill give my honest opinion of one after I've used it for a bit. With seaguar, it was nothin' but problems. Three different spools, same problems. I gave it a chance and came to the conclusion that it was junk to me. That's my opinion. Sunline and toray have never once given me problems. Its lasted and lasted with not one break off or anything. I'll never waste money on seaguar again so more for you to use. From my understanding, seaguar extrudes cabelas fluoro, toray extrudes bps. I'll stick with what's been proven to me time and time again.
msolorio reply :
What it all comes down to in the end is preference. That's what bass fishing is, preference. The fish dont care what line, rod, reel, hook, or sinker you use. I'm sorry if my response sounded condesending in any way. By inconsistent I meant performance inconsistency.
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