Line Conditioners 2024

Bad to da Bass reply :

So what is all the craze about these line conditioners for? Are they really that good? If so what brand should I use?

8-)

rynobass reply :

Line conditioners are great they take the memory out of your line and they help the line from being damaged by uv rays of the sun. also good on those cold day it help keep ice from forming on eyelets of your rods I like blakemore reel magic and Ardent line butter they both are great products

Maxximus Redneckus reply :

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Line conditioners are great they take the memory out of your line and they help the line from being damaged by uv rays of the sun. also good on those cold day it help keep ice from forming on eyelets of your rods I like blakemore reel magic and Ardent line butter they both are great products

Id be careful and not mix any line conditioners with each other i use KVD L& L and your not supposed to mix it with anything chemical reactions can weaken ur line i used reel magic for a long time and it was OK then i found KVD never looked back so much better no residue no oily feeling no smell stick with one

eyedabassman reply :

There is only one to use KVD ! All the others just wish they could be as good!

roadwarrior reply :

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There is only one to use KVD ! All the others just wish they could be as good!

Nothin' to talk about!

8-)

gabes reply :

KVD is the way to go. A little higher price than Real Magic but a better product. Stuff works great. Highly recommended!

BrianinMD reply :

I was like you last year, wondering if they actually did any good. Then went a got a bottle of KVD to try it out.....will never go without it now.

Muddy reply :

I tired it, much to do about nothing. Strange how after fishing for years,line memory has become such a problem.

bigfruits reply :

KVD's!

adclem reply :

KVD all the way.

Later,

NOVA Angler reply :

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I tired it, much to do about nothing. Strange how after fishing for years,line memory has become such a problem.

So you don't notice any difference in line memory between mono and fluoro? The first time I ever put PLine Fluoro on my baitcasting setup I took it off after fishing a day with it and swore I would never use the stuff again. The Trilene 100% Fluoro in combination with the KVD line and lure conditioner has been the only exception for me. I honestly don't know how anyone could not tell the difference between Fluoro and Mono. I think line memory has always been an issue with Flouro, it's just that many were willing to sacrifice some performance aspects for other benefits that Fluoro provides. The KVD helps get some of that manageability back.

roadwarrior reply :

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I tired it, much to do about nothing. Strange how after fishing for years,line memory has become such a problem.

Kinda like black & white television, 45 records and dial-up internet,

don't you think?

8-)

Muddy reply :

I decided to stay with mono, having seen no real advantage with the floro. I don't have tip wrap issues since I switched from spinning gear to baitcasting and I tried and saw no real advantage with line conditioner. The question as stated did not differentiate between types of line. Since I do not use floro, I am not qualified to answer it in that respect I can, from experience say I saw no advantages while using mono

Muddy reply :

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I tired it, much to do about nothing. Strange how after fishing for years,line memory has become such a problem.

Kinda like black & white television, 45 records and dial-up internet,

don't you think?

8-)

Gee I never though of it that way. I saw a colorized version of the Maltese Falcon, to tell you the truth it looks better in black and white. 8-)

Phil Spector records and his wall of sound sounded way better on vinyl

There is nothing wrong with old ways, some are comfortable with them I gave an answer based on my experience and preferances and you fellas have yours

MitchIsFishin reply :

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Muddy Wrote:
I don't have tip wrap issues

Why did you have tip wrap issues? Only with fluro or Mono too? Never had this happen.

Muddy reply :

I was getting this with deep diving cranks a lot with spinning gear., I used a swivel, I made sure that my line was spooled the way it came off the feeder spool. I switched over to baitcasting, with the help and guidance of some here, and i have never experienced it with bait cating. I hardly ever used spinning gear last year and i suspect except for pan fishing i will contiue to rely on baitcasting.

NOVA Angler reply :

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I decided to stay with mono, having seen no real advantage with the floro. I don't have tip wrap issues since I switched from spinning gear to baitcasting and I tried and saw no real advantage with line conditioner. The question as stated did not differentiate between types of line. Since I do not use floro, I am not qualified to answer it in that respect I can, from experience say I saw no advantages while using mono

Yeah, I sprayed some on mono and didn't notice any difference either. I don't know what I was expecting since I've never really had any castability problems with mono. Just figured why not.

If by chance one day you come to your senses and decide to buy a She-mano baitcasting reel and while your at it decide what the heck, I'm gonna put some Fluoro on this bad boy, I would recommend that you get the KVD.

Muddy reply :

Thats very ;D. I am a stubborn old fart .

eyedabassman reply :

I bought 3 bottles of the KVD line conditioner. Now what do I do with what I have left of the Reel Magic ? Throw it away? :-/

Muddy reply :

I like Reel Magic to keep things clean on my reels, not the line. Especially between lubes. It's also good for ratchet wrenches and all kinds of metallic tools , clamps, pad and combo locks you use outdoors , etc.

roadwarrior reply :

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I bought 3 bottles of the KVD line conditioner. Now what do I do with what I have left of the Reel Magic ? Throw it away? :-/

No. It's nothing more than silicone spray and can be used as a substitute for WD-40.

8-)

MitchIsFishin reply :

Muddy, what were you doing using a swivel with a crank????

Muddy reply :

I learned a long time ago to avoid twist I take the tag end of the line and put a small swivel onto it, NOT A SNAP SWIVEL a good quality ball bearing swivel , then a leader of 12 to 14 inches and then to the crank, it really does decrease the need to let the line off the reel so many times during a 12 hour day on the water. You might want to try it some time, I learned that a long time ago from an article on reducing twist in the 3 or 4 edition of In Fisherman Magazine.

In this case, on days of a really good bite, when deep cranking it becomes difficult not to reel while the fish is taking line against the drag. After several fish you wind up with twist, since it is very hard to stop reeling in completely at the moment each fish is taking out line against the drag.

For many years I only used spinning equipment and no matter what , twist becomes an issue. Using a barrel or bearing on a line with a leader does not effect a lures action and depth the way a snap swivel right at the lure does.

J Francho reply :

In subfreezing temps, Reel Magic will keep mono from absorbing water, and freezing. Several applications are necessary throughout the day. In all cases, I treat my line with KVD, regardless if I'm going to spray it Reel Magic. KVD does do something that actually improves the line. Reel Magic simply displaces water, temporarily. Unless you fish very cold weather, all you need for your line is KVD.

Redhed reply :

well dang i just bought reel magic for the first time.. what is so bad about it? i know folks who swear by it for line conditioning and they have never caught less fish than before when using it so why is it not worth the $$? just asking bc i am quite curious

thanks fellas

J Francho reply :

I used it for years, before trying KVD late last summer. In all situations, KVD is better at "line conditioning" than Reel Magic. There are specific circumstances, though, where Reel Magic's water displacement characteristics are advantageous. The way I see, it, they serve two different purposes.

Rob Faddis reply :

I would venture to say that those of you that did not experience a cast ability/line improvement with KVD Line & Lure were applying and casting (Reel Magic technique). You will only receive about 10% on the benefit that L&L offers using it this way. I highly suggest that you apply it to your filler spools when you buy them to protect your investment while it is in storage. This way the line is already treated and protected when you re-spool. When spooling, a couple of shots on your newly spooled reel and your ready to go. Also re-apply L&L when you're done fishing to protect your rigs while in storage. As far as using R/M to clean your reels, I have seen where R/M has softened the paint in reels and it will degrade the lube in your reel, on your bails and level wind gears. Not very good for the fish either as it is toxic and comes right off in the water.

Line & Lure will put a water/dirt resistant finish on your reels and provide high sun screen and corrosion resistance to your reel and baits and will not mess with the lube in your reel. Many say that their hard baits run through cover better with a L&L coat on them. Helps skirt stick together less too. You can read about the Line & Lure difference at: http://lineandlure.com/info/thedifference/.

FYI, Reel Magic pump spray and Ardent Line Butter 4oz. are the same price as Line & Lure in most stores. Both products are oil based and contain solvents. If you haven't check out our Video on the subject you can at: '>http://lineandlure.com/media/videos/play/4/Reel_Magic_Will_It_Burn

Hope this helps clear things up some.

Rob

J Francho reply :

This is off topic, somewhat, but pertains to the subject....

Rob, you probably get sick of repeating yourself about the true value of L&L. I know I've been pimping it to the guys in our club.

One thing I wonder about, for us guys up North. While all our bass lakes are frozen solid, a bunch of us float/drift fish for steelhead all winter long. Sometimes in temps in the single digits. Obviously, water freezing on everything is an issue.

The main issue is that water is on the line when you retrieve it back on the spool, and eventually it freezes in chucks on the spool, making drag free drifts impossible. L&L buys you significant fishing time by keeping the moisture out of the mono filament - pretty much required as mainline for these big fish on light line, but doesn't displace the water as much as needed. The fix is to change out the spool with a fresh one, and put the frozen spool in your pocket with a hand warmer.

There are also issues with guides icing up, and if you accidentally dunk your reel, its game over. Can't fix clumsy or stupid.

One thing we do is use something to displace the water, so that a quick tap or shake gets most of it off before it inevitably freezes. I've tried Pam cooking spray on the guides, ice-off paste, Chapstick, WD-40, etc., but they are all very messy solutions. So far the best product has been Real Magic. Water literally runs off the line as you retrieve it.

I have to think that there is a safer and more natural chemical out there, and it seems you guys could be the ones to come up with it. Any plans? Ever consider something like it?

BTW, I've begun shooting my Raven and Drennen plastic floats with L&L, and I do find that it protects the finish, and makes it easier to knock the ice chunks off.

Again, you've got a great product, and I appreciate your detailed explanations.

Rob Faddis reply :

Love the pimpin' thanks. I fully understand you issue and we have given it serious thought but not enough research with the fact that it rarely freezes around here. I have to agree that R/M is an adiquate solution to guide freezing and reel icing, but still not prefect. I just don't like the idea of introducing the toxins in the product to our waterways, even in small amounts. Try using food grade silicone oil...should help. In any case, using R/M or silicone over Line & Lure is ok but don't do it the other way around. R/M as a base will not let the L&L polymers attach to the line if treated with oil.

Most Ideas that we have come up with are toxic chemical compounds or require a power source. If you have any good ideas we'll investigate. Thanks for being a L&L fan.

Rob

J Francho reply :

Good tip about the order of things. I do it that way, but after a while, the line succumbs to "Real Magicitis," getting spongy. I have no doubt that's from it breaking the L&L down, and ultimately the line itself.

I'll look up the food grade silicone. My family is in the food service business, so this shouldn't be too hard to track down.

The only thing I can think of is something like those boutique olive oils as a base, or something else "natural." Obviously, it would have to be significantly thinner. I know a bunch of guys that would field test it for you

And, yeah, pollution is always a concern. You don't want your favorite hole to look like this:

And yes, that's the "Genny," you know the one they get the water to make this from:

Crestliner2008 reply :

I've use Reel Magic for 2 1/2 seasons now and find it's best application is in cold weather. I spray the guides and the spooled line. This helps with freezing. I've also heard that L&L is suppose to be a superior product. So, I guess I'll give that whirl this season and see if I find any difference. Good thread folks, thanks!

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