Difference Between Fluoro And Mono For Casting Distance 2024
iceintheveins reply :
Do you guys think there is a difference between fluoro and mono for casting distance? I'm not too sure there is from what I've seen.
5fishlimit reply :
Not much if any, but that's not the reason to choose one over the other.
J Francho reply :
Distance is way down on my list for why I'd use one or the other. If you know how to cast, it doesn't really matter. Now you want to compare different brands and different diameters, that's a different story.
I have to say, I'm not sure what the recent flurry of distance related posts is about, but I can assure you, if you can't cast far enough, you're setting your sights too high or need to practice. It's nothing to do with line, reels or rods. You're better off with a well placed cast, putting your bait in the right place than out casting everyone else at the bank.
rippin-lips reply :
^^^ this!
CJV reply :
On 6/13/2014 at 10:14 AM, J Francho said:Distance is way down on my list for why I'd use one or the other. If you know how to cast, it doesn't really matter. Now you want to compare different brands and different diameters, that's a different story.
I have to say, I'm not sure what the recent flurry of distance related posts is about, but I can assure you, if you can't cast far enough, you're setting your sights too high or need to practice. It's nothing to do with line, reels or rods. You're better off with a well placed cast, putting your bait in the right place than out casting everyone else at the bank.
What he said^
SirSnookalot reply :
On 6/13/2014 at 10:14 AM, J Francho said:Distance is way down on my list for why I'd use one or the other. If you know how to cast, it doesn't really matter. Now you want to compare different brands and different diameters, that's a different story.
I have to say, I'm not sure what the recent flurry of distance related posts is about, but I can assure you, if you can't cast far enough, you're setting your sights too high or need to practice. It's nothing to do with line, reels or rods. You're better off with a well placed cast, putting your bait in the right place than out casting everyone else at the bank.
Is it possible to agree 10,000%?
This distance thing is really whacked out of shape. Sure there are fish that are in constant movement following bait and distance is a benefit, bass are not one of them. Your target spot is what matters. I've never been convinced using F/C catches more fish, if it's a matter or stealth or abrasion I would go the leader route.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 6/13/2014 at 10:14 AM, J Francho said:Distance is way down on my list for why I'd use one or the other. If you know how to cast, it doesn't really matter. Now you want to compare different brands and different diameters, that's a different story.
I have to say, I'm not sure what the recent flurry of distance related posts is about, but I can assure you, if you can't cast far enough, you're setting your sights too high or need to practice. It's nothing to do with line, reels or rods. You're better off with a well placed cast, putting your bait in the right place than out casting everyone else at the bank.
Dead on as usual. A similar golf analogy "Drive for show, putt for dough"!
WRB reply :
Casting distance is related to the rod, reel and line being used.
Distance is important when casting deep diving crankbaits for example. Crankbait rods are longer and slower action to maximize casting distance, the more parabolic the rod, the better it loads up tp launch the lure.
Mono line has less memory, stays on the spool better, flows out of the and through the rod guide easier with less friction/ line slap resulting in longer cast with everything else being equal.
This is why I use mono on my deep diving crankbait and swimbait rods, when distance can be a factor.
Tom
flicker1 reply :
On 6/13/2014 at 9:31 PM, WRB said:Casting distance is related to the rod, reel and line being used.
Distance is important when casting deep diving crankbaits for example. Crankbait rods are longer and slower action to maximize casting distance, the more parabolic the rod, the better it loads up tp launch the lure.
Mono line has less memory, stays on the spool better, flows out of the and through the rod guide easier with less friction/ line slap resulting in longer cast with everything else being equal.
This is why I use mono on my deep diving crankbait and swimbait rods, when distance can be a factor.
Tom
This is an interesting school of thought. What I'm getting from this is the added distance of the cast from mono vs. fluoro is of greater value than the fact that mono floats and fluoro sinks, in regards to getting the crankbaits deeper. Correct?
aavery2 reply :
The line diameter and density of FC line will more than make up for any perceived casting distance increase with mono in regards to getting crankbaits deep. Mono has long been the preferred line of choice for crankbait fishing, but with FC line becoming better and better many serious crankbait anglers have made the move. A lot of crankbait anglers still prefer mono for shallow crankbaits, as it does exactly that, helps keep them shallow.
fishindad reply :
Also agree however, when fishing on Lake St. Clair, or other similar bodies of water and for similar fish (smallmouth) which tend to roam in packs, covering as much water as possible helps. And when water is super clear and fish tend to be spooked easily. That said, no reason to cast longer than one can set hooks. For me, fishing grubs for smallies in open water, mucho-long casts make a difference. A 7 1/2' spinning rod and superline or 6 lb. mono is the ticket for this type of fishing. I imagine some shallow, saltwater scenarios could be the same?
Raul reply :
Hell I don´t know, fluorocarbon is monofilament line just as nylon, so I can´s say if fluro casts farther than nylon.
BobP reply :
There are too many variables for a simple answer, if it matters. How much spool memory does the mono vs fluoro have on your reel at the time? Which specific brands are you comparing? Mono brands vary greatly in surface hardness and the speed at which they develop spool memory, which affects distance. Fluoros are the same, plus there are differences in the density/weight of different brands. Heavier fluoro tends to cast longer. But it also develops spool memory faster, which limits distance. The bottom line is that both will cast adequately long, so choosing one over the other depends on qualities that are much more significant than casting distance.
WRB reply :
What it boils down to is castibilty, how well does the line cast for the presentarion you are using.
With bottom bumping lures like jigs and soft palstics my choice is FC line because it gives me better control of what those lures are doing. I DO NOT like FC line regarding castibily and knot strength, it's improving every year.
Technically FC is monofilament line but bass anglers consider Mono being Nylon line, not FC, hybrid or a copolymer.
Deep diving crankbaits, where I fish them in deep rocky structured lakes, ease of casting far out weighs a few inches difference in diving depth. The thing FC line does better is it has less drag going through the water, therefor less belly in the line. This advantage is a possitive with bottom bumping lures like jigs.
The draw back with FC when making hundreds of casts, when using crankbaits, is the line strectches and weakens over time and should be changed after a few outings when cranking. Mono line also weakens with use and changing Mono is less costly than FC.
Fewer casting issues, longer cast for me, stronger knot strength and less cost. I use 10 and 12lb green Berkely Big Game for cranking and 25 lb for big swimbaits. Tried FC several times over the years for both cranking and swimbaits and go back to Mono do to poor performance issues with those 2 lures types.
Tom.
Fishes in trees reply :
I like being able to throw baits far. In and of itself, it is fun. I understand far is a relative term, lure weights, line diameters, etc. come into play. I don't care that I will occasionally miss a long distance hook set. If I hadn't have thrown far, I probably wouldn't have gotten the bite, and therefore wouldn't have had the opportunity to miss a long distance hook set. Besides, you can't miss them all. You will stick some distance hook sets, (or they will stick themselves, which is more likely)
Some baits, covering the water is important (a rattle trap style bait comes to mind), others not so much. In many instances while bank fishing, distance is important. Is it as important as accuracy? The real answer is yes and no, it depends on the situation.
All I know is that I like being able to throw far when I want to.
aavery2 reply :
In my experience FC line does not stretch in the same manner as mono-nylon line. mono-nylon line is similar to a rubber band or elastic in that it stretches and then returns to original shape or close there to, only when you reach its breaking strength does it deform. FC line does not stretch in the same manner, it deforms when stretched, it does not return to its original shape. You generally see this when snagged and have a break off. FC line that is deformed is easy to see, and only needs to have the deformed portion removed, usually a few feet. I have never had or heard of any issues with using FC line for many outings as long as it was not nicked or had abrasion issues.
Nylon line is also porous so it soaks water, this greatly reduces its abrasion resistance it also brings water back to your spool and subsequently to your reel. FC line is much harder and does not soak water.
IMHO a good quality FC will nearly always outcast Nylon, the reason being is hardness, FC line has less drag through your guides, all poor lines suck to cast, but if you compare good line of both types, I will choose FC for casting distance.
OkobojiEagle reply :
If you're trying to cast that far, you must be trying to hook something that far away. I'd rather be fishing with a PE line if I need a strong hook-set at a far distance.
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WRB reply :
Tackle Tour is doing line testing FPI for FC and MPI for mono line.
Nylon is a hygroscopic polymer meaning it absorbs water, it's not porous. The Nylon polymer chain is strengthen when it absorbs water, the water isn't sticking to the line or coating the line surface.
Nylon isn't elastic, it's tensile to yield strength is similar to FC, the difference is deformity, Nylon tends to have better memory without deforming after yielding. What causes deformation is pulling force when you cast and hopefully catch bass. High pulling force trying to break the line obviously deforms the line.
Line conditioners like KVD coat FC so it will behave similar to Nylon, the conditioner absorbs water.
Abrasion resistance is better with most FC line however hardness creates more casting issues.
The question was about casting distance and it's been my experience with everything being equal that mono line cast further under fishing conditions. Keep in mind I cast on average over 90' and up to 120' using FC line when jig fishing, so I have a lot of experience casting FC line.
The best Nylon mono line that I have used is Sunline Defier, FC is Sunline Super Sniper. Defier is expensive mono.
aavery2 reply :
Thanks for the research, I knew porous was not the correct term, but hygroscopic was not one that I was familiar with. Anyway my point being that nylon line absorbs water which reduces its abrasion resistance greatly. Also I did not say that nylon is elastic, only that it compares to elastic in terms of the way it stretches. 30 -40 yards are average casts with modern equipment, so I don't know that I would consider that a long distance.
The polymers that the KVD line and Lure are made from are hydrophobic, and most certainly do not absorb water.
Anyway thanks for sharing, I will continue to use FC line as I feel that nylon has just about out lived its usefulness as it relates to fishing line, its primary benefit being cost at this point, and will eventualy go the same way as silk.
WRB reply :
Quote from TT " Seriously, if FC line behaves poorly in abrasion test, you almost might as well save your money and use Nylon mono as your main line". I agree with this evaluation and use mono where abrasion resistance isn't a factor and use it where it is.
Tom
aavery2 reply :
On 6/14/2014 at 8:47 AM, WRB said:Quote from TT " Seriously, if FC line behaves poorly in abrasion test, you almost might as well save your money and use Nylon mono as your main line". I agree with this evaluation and use mono where abrasion resistance isn't a factor and use it where it is.
Tom
This was only a reference to how heavily weighted the abrasion resistance part of their new testing was going to be. Your quote is being used out of context and the key word is IF, FC will always out perform other lines in abrasion, so the only contest is between other FC lines to determine who is best. The next line in that paragraph went something like this, "Nylon monofilament is not as sensitive as fluorocarbon nor does it possess the mystical refractive index, but the cost is significantly less." So other than cost what does it have to offer over FC?
WRB reply :
Been fishing with FC line since '94, 20 years and know a few things about it, some good and some bad, it's not the panacea line it's claimed to be. Let's wait and see what shakes out with the newest FC lines before sticking a fork in mono.
There was nothing taken out of context. No line has had more failures and knot strength problems than FC has generated. The processing is getting better and cost has come down somewhat.
Tom
aavery2 reply :
Tom, we agree no panacea, and no line is. Think about how much the entire fishing industry has changed since 94, rods, reels, line, hooks, boats, etc. etc.etc. FC line has it's roots in Japan, as leader material mainly for saltwater fishing. It was stiff and expensive. Since its development it has become an everyday fishing line for approximately 80%of the Elite level Pro's, you know the guys who make a living at fishing. Think where it will be in the next 5, I assure you Nylon line is a thing of the past, and someday our kids, grandkids will look at it and think, how the heck did they fish with this, much like the braided Dacron line that Nylon made obsolete.
I respect your time on the water, but history is nothing but a great lesson, what we have is today, and we live for tomorrow, I choose to use the best line available to us today, and in my opinion that it FC line, and most of the best Anglers around agree.
Tim Kelly reply :
I haven't found it makes much difference on casting gear, but with spinning gear fluoro definitely seems harder to cast. 6lb mono is much easier casting than 6lb FC on my dropshot rod, but the advantages of FC make it worth the fight.
iabass8 reply :
On 6/14/2014 at 6:12 PM, aavery2 said:Think where it will be in the next 5, I assure you Nylon line is a thing of the past, and someday our kids, grandkids will look at it and think, how the heck did they fish with this, much like the braided Dacron line that Nylon made obsolete. .
I am a huge advocat of fluorocarbon and use it for everything i can but there is absolutley no way nylon line is going away. It will never be a thing of the past...unless somebody creates a floating line without zero stretch.....
J Francho reply :
Done. Tuf-Line SuperCast.
aavery2 reply :
On 6/15/2014 at 12:08 AM, Tim Kelly said:I haven't found it makes much difference on casting gear, but with spinning gear fluoro definitely seems harder to cast. 6lb mono is much easier casting than 6lb FC on my dropshot rod, but the advantages of FC make it worth the fight.
Tim, not sure what type of FC line you have commonly available to you in the U.K. but there are some great lines out there that should not give you problems in 6lb test. IMHO this is one area where I think braid shines, light braided line with a FC leader is a nice setup on spinning gear.
iabass8 reply :
I Think you missed what i was saying at the end.On 6/15/2014 at 1:16 AM, J Francho said:Done. Tuf-Line SuperCast.
"without"
I was just describing mono
aavery2 reply :
On 6/15/2014 at 12:30 AM, iabass8 said:I am a huge advocat of fluorocarbon and use it for everything i can but there is absolutley no way nylon line is going away. It will never be a thing of the past...unless somebody creates a floating line without zero stretch.....
I think you make an excellent point, and as Francho submitted, there are floating braided lines that have stretch built into their properties. I may end up having to eat my words if more companies develop nylon lines like the Sunline Defeir Armilo. While it is expensive, it certainly takes Nylon line to a whole new level, almost to the point of a floating FC. I am going to order a spool of this and check it out.
iabass8 reply :
There are definitely braided lines with stretch that caps at around 2-3% if that. Esentially no stretch
aavery2 reply :
On 6/15/2014 at 2:48 AM, iabass8 said:There are definitely braided lines with stretch that caps at around 2-3% if that. Esentially no stretch
Suffix stretch braid reports that it has double or triple that amount of stretch.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Mono going away? Nooooo... To many good and great fisherman still use it. Think about all the fisherman that fish a few times a year, or a lot, always buying mono... They couldn't care less about FC or Braid... I use copolys and mono way more than FC or braid... I do like having other line types avail to fish with as I may choose.
iabass8 reply :
On 6/15/2014 at 3:02 AM, aavery2 said:Suffix stretch braid reports that it has double or triple that amount of stretch.
Ive never looked into that or heard it. The most ive ever heard of braid stretching is 3%. If the numbers you say is true then what they/you are saying is rhe line has the stretch equivalent of xps fluoro or more stretch than shooter. Not buying that. Ive used both suffix performance braid and 832. That is far from correct.
Tim Kelly reply :
On 6/15/2014 at 1:39 AM, aavery2 said:Tim, not sure what type of FC line you have commonly available to you in the U.K. but there are some great lines out there that should not give you problems in 6lb test. IMHO this is one area where I think braid shines, light braided line with a FC leader is a nice setup on spinning gear.
A poor choice compared to you, but ebay is the answer (plus the government gets to rape us with import tax) so I use pretty much the same lines as you. I'm currently using Berkeley 100% XL in 6lb, which I like. P-line halo is another favorite. Both cast considerably less well than a standard 6lb mono in my experience.
aavery2 reply :
On 6/15/2014 at 4:35 AM, Tim Kelly said:A poor choice compared to you, but ebay is the answer (plus the government gets to rape us with import tax) so I use pretty much the same lines as you. I'm currently using Berkeley 100% XL in 6lb, which I like. P-line halo is another favorite. Both cast considerably less well than a standard 6lb mono in my experience.
Interesting, one of the most manageable FC lines that I have used in any lb. test is Seaguar Tatsu, it is expensive but it is fantastic line. If it is more expensive than you are comfortable with, Seaguar InviszX is another very manageable line.
Good Luck
aavery2 reply :
On 6/15/2014 at 4:19 AM, iabass8 said:Ive never looked into that or heard it. The most ive ever heard of braid stretching is 3%. If the numbers you say is true then what they/you are saying is rhe line has the stretch equivalent of xps fluoro or more stretch than shooter. Not buying that. Ive used both suffix performance braid and 832. That is far from correct.
I have never used the line, just heard about it, it is advertised to have 6% stretch. The thing that I would like to know is if that is measured at breaking strength or a percentage of. Who knows it may have even more stretch than advertised, many lines do.
Tim Kelly reply :
I tried invisx but found it too stretchy and virtually no different to using mono. Never had the urge to try Tatsu, due to the cost, but everyone says it's amazing. If I could use it in 8lb with the manageability of the 6lb I'm using I might be tempted?
aavery2 reply :
On 6/15/2014 at 4:47 AM, Tim Kelly said:I tried invisx but found it too stretchy and virtually no different to using mono. Never had the urge to try Tatsu, due to the cost, but everyone says it's amazing. If I could use it in 8lb with the manageability of the 6lb I'm using I might be tempted?
That tends to be the most common negative associated with InviszX. IMHO I believe that Tatsu has equal or better manageability at equal lb. test and noticeably less stretch. Those are actually the reasons I prefer it. There are several members here that use Tatsu, hopefully someone else will chime in.
WRB reply :
Here is a challenge for all you long casters; get a hula hoop or whatever to make a 36" dia target. Any good caster should be able to hit a 36" hoop! Go to you local football field, set the hoop on the goal line, flat on the grass. Now walk back to the 30 yard line and cast your jig or crankbait into the hoop. When you have done this, walk back to the 40 yard line and repeat casting into the hoop. If you ever hit the hoop walk back to the 50 yard line and try from there. If you accomplish this task you are a world class caster. Very few anglers can hit the 40 yard hoop and only a hand full can cast 50 yards and hit a 36" target.
Try this with mono, FC and braid, then you will know which line cast further.
Fishing conditions usually have some wind and you are standing in the bow of a boat that's moving. Trying to cast 40 yards may seem easy until you try the football field challenge, you should be making accurate casts.
Tom
WRB reply :
Sunline Shooter was available in130 meter spools back in 94-95 time period from 1 distributor in the US.
Shooter was the first FC fishing line in the US to the best of my knowledge and hasn't changed over the years, the price was $16. My rods were custom Lamiglas, reels Daiwa HTSA103, excellent rods and reels. Caught a lot of giant bass using that old stuff.
Tom
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