I keep hearing that the GLX is the benchmark for which all other rods should aspire to be. However, I also hear time and time again that they break too easily. Is the trade-off worth it? Is it that much better than the Mossyback series? What are the pros and cons of the recoil guides?
I'm specifically choosing between the BSR852 or BSR802, but now I need to know if it's even worth it to step up to the GLX. I know there is a lifetime warranty, but is there still a fee to use the warranty?
Thanks
Same fee for replacement.
Theoretically, thinner walls in the GLX blank
might break more easily, but I have never
know anyone that has had an issue. I have
broken two: rolled the window up on one;
tried to lift the boat by a cleat with the other.
Is the GLX worth the extra cost? I think so,
especially for bottom contact techniques. I
don't know anyone that's sorry they chose
to go with the GLX series.
8-)
If the GLX series rods had a reputation for breaking they wouldn't be the benchmark. I treat all of my rods the same whether a $150 rod, or a GLX and the only rods I've broken over the years were a result of my own negligence.
$50 fee if you break it. you call them, they ship you same model. you return broken rod in the tube your new one came in. if its faulty (they decide that) they replace it free.
ive only had my glx rods for a since last season but ive never broken one. and im pretty good at hitting the ceiling with the tip and having them snag bushes while kayaking.
I have own/owned about 12-15 glx rods over the years. The IMX is one of the best rods out. I would say that is a rod every manufacture wants to be. GLX is just a little lighter.
The 'they break easily thing' used to keep me from buying GLX's...after my first one I realised that was wasted time. The BCR and BSR in the GLX line are like surgical tools; buy one and you'll smile every time you pick it up.
I do have to warn you. Once you fish one you will not be fishing lesser rods for long.
Buy that BSR852 Great rod. It is my all time favorite spinning rod for pretty much everything. The up and coming one is the SMR 7'7" I just bought.
here's the reason why the GLX rods are so expensive. The graphite used in the GLX rods are high density graphite and therefore takes less material to make the rod while lower rod models use a lower density graphite in the rod's construction. There is a tradeoff for sensitivity versus durability between high modulus rods versus low modulus rods. That's why the GLX series is so expensive.
the first line of glx rods introduced on the market may have had some breakage issues...there was certainly a good bit of buzz about it on several boards at the time.
that was many years ago...yet the perception of them being brittle still exists.
personally, have been using them for years and have yet to break one.
QuoteI do have to warn you. Once you fish one you will not be fishing lesser rods for long.
Ain't that the truth! Once you start upgrading to the high end Loomis and Dobyns rods, all your other rods that you were once very happy with will start feeling pretty lousy. It's frustrating.
I only broke one GLX, and it was my fault. I caught it on a boat cleat very lightly, and thought I got away with one. But with the next hookset, it snapped like a dry twig. I had a replacement in 3 business days with the Expeditor program, which is unmatched in the industry.
http://www.gloomis.com/publish/content/gloomis_2010/us/en/conventional/support.html
Once you have one GLX it's pretty much over. Sounds like hype, but it just isn't. When you are the only one around you, all fishing the same lure and techniques, catching fish and you are the only one with a GLX, you realize at that moment, it really is the benchmark. The sensitivity is astounding.
You will not break one on a fish.
I have the BCR803GLX and the Bronzeback GLX. Two more versatile and useful rods for my needs(shore fishing) I couldn't have asked for more.
I have a full season on that smallie rod and anyone would be hard pressed to tell me it isn't the finest all around smb spinning rod ever made. It also is great for many many species.
The BCR is fantastic, large or smallmouth. Accurate, sensitive and really quite powerful. I have used it with cranks, spinnerbaits, jerks, soft plastics and topwater lures. I have striper fished with it as well. It's just killer. Can you get more technique specfic? Yeah, but I'm hiking. I need lots of versatility out of 2-3 rods max.
Buy a GLX, you will be SO happy.
Oh yeah, the REC guides, they work great. They are noisy with braid but I rarely use it so no issue with me. VERY durable and sensitive IMHO.
QuoteThe 'they break easily thing' used to keep me from buying GLX's...after my first one I realised that was wasted time. The BCR and BSR in the GLX line are like surgical tools; buy one and you'll smile every time you pick it up.
I smile every time I pick up my falcon bucoo and caras. I really smile knowing that they're 100 to 179 bucks
I'd have to agree - the GLX lineup has proven itself to me time and time again over the years. The BSR 852 GLX is one special rod for sure. It's definitely one of the best spinning rods I've ever used. You'll be very happy you chose the GLX.
After you make that first cast with a GLX, you will ask yourself, why did it wait to buy this rod.
You are missing out not having a few GLX rods in your arsenal, for all the stated reasons.
QuoteYou are missing out not having a few GLX rods in your arsenal, for all the stated reasons.
I LOVE that avatar! ;D ;D ;D
Stay thirsty my friend! 8-)
I've never owned a GLX i didn't like... Get one!
QuoteI have own/owned about 12-15 glx rods over the years. The IMX is one of the best rods out. I would say that is a rod every manufacture wants to be. GLX is just a little lighter.
This is coming from a fly-rodder's experience and from what I'm reading maybe this is where the ""GLX breaks easily stories come from. I've had two break on the guide below the tip. The only reason I had the GLX was because my dog broke my IMX jumping in the drift boat- if that dog wasn't the rooster killer he is, I would have sent him to Loomis. I loved the IMX but they were discontinued so I had to "upgrade" to the GLX. As far as casting rods go though, I'm not good enough to drop Loomis dollars on a rod so I can't comment.
Keep your lines tight-
i have a friend who breaks about 5 a year.i know another guy whose buddy fishes them and breaks a bunch every year.they think it's great to pay $50 to replace a $380 rod.they are so exspensive because the cost of the second rod is figured in.no company is in bussiness to lose money.some guys may never break them because they are extra carefull with them.recoil guides are awesome but you can pay far less and get them.i would go with a st.croix legend extreme before a glx.i've never heard of a lot of guys breaking st croix rods but i have with loomis.st.croixs warranty is every bit as good if not better.we had one guy on this forum who was denied warranty by loomis and was then told he could not pay the $50 to use the expiditor service.
Its quite true on their replacement. I broke my Loomis almost exactly 30 days ago... and I broke the second one I got to replace it on Friday.
I sent them an email and asked if I could still send it in and their response was go for the expediator and send it back. Hell of a deal if you ask me for being a idiot and breaking your rod twice in a month. :-/
i think this thread jinxed me. i broke my first loomis rod on sunday. it wasnt a glx, it was a bronzeback model. but i did break it with a glx rod.
i was doing a side arm cast from the shore with a bsr852glx and struck the bronzeback rod that was leaning against my canoe. broke the second and third guides. the glx was fine!
called shimano/loomis, gave them 50 bucks, new rod on the way! i'll ship the broken rod in the tube the new rod comes in, pre-paid postage.
i'll never buy a rod without a similar warranty.
I honestly doubt I'd ever spend that much, thats a ton of cash for something with a reputation of snapping quite often, theres great rods out there for a lot less...I have a hard time believing the weekender could even tell the difference,
Quotei have a friend who breaks about 5 a year.i know another guy whose buddy fishes them and breaks a bunch every year.they think it's great to pay $50 to replace a $380 rod.they are so exspensive because the cost of the second rod is figured in.no company is in bussiness to lose money.some guys may never break them because they are extra carefull with them.recoil guides are awesome but you can pay far less and get them.i would go with a st.croix legend extreme before a glx.i've never heard of a lot of guys breaking st croix rods but i have with loomis.st.croixs warranty is every bit as good if not better.we had one guy on this forum who was denied warranty by loomis and was then told he could not pay the $50 to use the expiditor service.
What on earth do these guys do to their rods?
I have a lot of G Loomis rods (40% of them are GLX) and have never broken one yet. I assume if you take proper care in using them and transporting them you will not have many problems with them breaking (no more than any other rod).
Quotewe had one guy on this forum who was denied warranty by loomis and was then told he could not pay the $50 to use the expiditor service.
Your buddies must treat those rods like garage sale Ugly Stiks!
Why was that fella denied?
I witnessed the aftermath when local guy who I chat with at the landing drove over the entire length of his older GLX rod with his trailer. He packed the entire splintered rod into a 1 gallon ziplock bag and had a new one two weeks later with the Expeditor program. He was happier with the new one because it had Recoil Guides.
If they'll accept a crushed rod in a ziplock bag full of graphite dust, I don't see them turning many people down.
QuoteQuotei have a friend who breaks about 5 a year.i know another guy whose buddy fishes them and breaks a bunch every year.they think it's great to pay $50 to replace a $380 rod.they are so exspensive because the cost of the second rod is figured in.no company is in bussiness to lose money.some guys may never break them because they are extra carefull with them.recoil guides are awesome but you can pay far less and get them.i would go with a st.croix legend extreme before a glx.i've never heard of a lot of guys breaking st croix rods but i have with loomis.st.croixs warranty is every bit as good if not better.we had one guy on this forum who was denied warranty by loomis and was then told he could not pay the $50 to use the expiditor service.What on earth do these guys do to their rods?
I have a lot of G Loomis rods (40% of them are GLX) and have never broken one yet. I assume if you take proper care in using them and transporting them you will not have many problems with them breaking (no more than any other rod).
When it comes to Loomis there is always someone who knows someone, who knows someone ,who knows someone....Well you get the picture...And they do not own one, nor will they ever buy one....
i don't understand their warranty. whats to stop a guy from calling them and telling them your rod snapped, send the $50, get your new rod and then not sending the tube back. raise hell when they harass you. seems they factor in fraud into their prices too. don't say prison because there could be a dozen reasons why the tube never got to them. disclaimer i don't advocate fraud.
if you dont return the rod in the pre-paid tube within 30 days, they charge your card for the full price for the rod.
QuoteQuotewe had one guy on this forum who was denied warranty by loomis and was then told he could not pay the $50 to use the expiditor service.Why was that fella denied?
i find that hard to believe. they never asked me what was wrong with my rod. they just told me to ship it back when i get the new rod...
QuoteQuoteQuotewe had one guy on this forum who was denied warranty by loomis and was then told he could not pay the $50 to use the expiditor service.Why was that fella denied?
i find that hard to believe. they never asked me what was wrong with my rod. they just told me to ship it back when i get the new rod...
Well believe it. He tried to use the warranty for a defective rod and they denied him and when he asked if he could then use the 50.00 expediter , they told him no since he has already filed a warranty claim.
You have a choice to use the Xpeditor Program which is no questions asked and then pay for how fast you want the rod. Either the 50.00 standard or 65.00 2-Day delivery.
If you elect to go with the warranty which is if there is a defect they will repair or replace the rod for free. However if Loomis determines it was not a defect you then cannot elect to use the Xpeditor program. If I remember correctly that is what happened in the case mentioned in this post.
still dont believe it. the rod doesnt have to be registered. anyone can use expeditor service. his grandmother could send it in for him.
i think i remember what you guys are talking about. i think the problem was that he had to pay for shipping both ways because loomis denied his warranty claim. im thinking the customer wanted the warranty dept to handle the expeditor service but because it is a different dept they had to ship the rod back to him so that he could start the expeditor service himself. this would cost him the normal $50 dollar expeditor fee plus the shipping costs to and from the limited lifetime warranty dept to get his rod back.
edit: if this is not the case, i will call shimano/loomis and see what the deal is and report back.
I broke an MBR782 years back while stupidly trying to free a snag, or more accurately trying to pull the small boat I was in closer to the snag. Well, the rod snapped and Loomis replaced it under warranty. No cost to me at all even though it was totally my fault. I even wrote them a note explaining exactly what had happened. It's unfortunate that some people take advantage of the program and do not take care of their rods because they know they can get them replaced if they break. A guy at the local tackle store told me that some guys intentionally break the rods to get new ones. Loomis should keep track of this and start denying warranties to repeat offenders. It would lower the cost to the rest of us who use our equipment responsibly.
QuoteI broke an MBR782 years back while stupidly trying to free a snag, or more accurately trying to pull the small boat I was in closer to the snag. Well, the rod snapped and Loomis replaced it under warranty. No cost to me at all even though it was totally my fault. I even wrote them a note explaining exactly what had happened. It's unfortunate that some people take advantage of the program and do not take care of their rods because they know they can get them replaced if they break. A guy at the local tackle store told me that some guys intentionally break the rods to get new ones. Loomis should keep track of this and start denying warranties to repeat offenders. It would lower the cost to the rest of us who use our equipment responsibly.
Covering something like that is more than I could ever ask for.
If I ran over a rod I would have to buy a new one, since that's just pure negligence in my opinion.
Although I've never owned a rod costing over $120 so I don't have as much in a replacement if it does happen.
Quotestill dont believe it. the rod doesnt have to be registered. anyone can use expeditor service. his grandmother could send it in for him.i think i remember what you guys are talking about. i think the problem was that he had to pay for shipping both ways because loomis denied his warranty claim. im thinking the customer wanted the warranty dept to handle the expeditor service but because it is a different dept they had to ship the rod back to him so that he could start the expeditor service himself. this would cost him the normal $50 dollar expeditor fee plus the shipping costs to and from the limited lifetime warranty dept to get his rod back.
edit: if this is not the case, i will call shimano/loomis and see what the deal is and report back.
What I stated in my post earlier was a result of my calling Loomis. You can not have it both ways and yes they are monitoring it as well.
wow. i guess you do need your grandmother to send it back. thats one scam i have to endorse.
pretty ridiculous policy. if i didnt take 15mins to get through to them id try to find out the reason. bad loomis!
thanks for info.
-z
I have several Loomis rods two of which are GLX rods, one is a flipping stick which has never broken and the other is a BCR853GLX which I have broken 4 times in 3.5 years. The tip keeps breaking off (it has happened on a hookset, twice on a cast, and while trying to free a snag) but the expeditor replacement service get's them back to you quickly. If that rod was not BY FAR the best texas rig rod I have ever used (over Steez, Dobyns Extreme, JB Custom, Powell, Cumara, Legend Elite) I would not keep dealing with the tips breaking. That rod has a light tip but transmits absolutely everything, I end up throwing it 75% of the day unless the bite is on a frog or moving bait and when it isn't in my hand I start thinking about switching to it. It casts a mile, pitches perfectly, and is the most sensitive stick on the market. It is totally worth the cost and the expeditor cost every year.
I once threw a texas rig to a duck blind and got a backlash, I had 15 yards of slack out after clearing the backlash and got a bite that I actually HEARD through the recoil guides despite all the slack line in the water. It sounded like someone hitting a guitar string. I reeled in the slack and set the hook on a 4 pounder that I never felt, there is no way I would have caught that fish on another rod.
QuoteI have several Loomis rods two of which are GLX rods, one is a flipping stick which has never broken and the other is a BCR853GLX which I have broken 4 times in 3.5 years. The tip keeps breaking off (it has happened on a hookset, twice on a cast, and while trying to free a snag) but the expeditor replacement service get's them back to you quickly. If that rod was not BY FAR the best texas rig rod I have ever used (over Steez, Dobyns Extreme, JB Custom, Powell, Cumara, Legend Elite) I would not keep dealing with the tips breaking. That rod has a light tip but transmits absolutely everything, I end up throwing it 75% of the day unless the bite is on a frog or moving bait and when it isn't in my hand I start thinking about switching to it. It casts a mile, pitches perfectly, and is the most sensitive stick on the market. It is totally worth the cost and the expeditor cost every year.I once threw a texas rig to a duck blind and got a backlash, I had 15 yards of slack out after clearing the backlash and got a bite that I actually HEARD through the recoil guides despite all the slack line in the water. It sounded like someone hitting a guitar string. I reeled in the slack and set the hook on a 4 pounder that I never felt, there is no way I would have caught that fish on another rod.
that 1 rod has cost you nearly $600 bux if not more..I cant beleive after the 2nd break you went back....although the GLX's maybe nice, but Dude you broke it 4 times.
If the rod retailed for $600 and had no charge for the expeditor service I would still buy one. That rod is simply awesome.
QuoteIf the rod retailed for $600 and had no charge for the expeditor service I would still buy one. That rod is simply awesome.
perfect, I have a bridge for sale.....just for you