Best Low Profile Baitcaster For A Design Project 2024
jason41987 reply :
before i get into too much detail, im the type of person who likes to tinker, design, and build just about anything, heck i've even designed a couple rifles for myself, so i dont want to hear anyone tell me what kind of work it would take to do what i want to do, etc.. im well aware
ok, so now my idea is to find a good, inexpensive baitcaster to use as a template, a design that is cheap, maybe around the $50 that has some potential for some redesign, modification, or fabrication.. im looking for a design thats relatively simple in construction, strong, and would be a good platform for a reel to do all this too
say take a cheap graphite frames low profile baitcaster, fabricate an aluminum or carbon fiber frame to replace the graphite one, upgrade or redesign the drag system, work on the levelwind, and transform into something entirely different as a side engineering project, or at the very least a reel that will work as a good template to get some key dimensions and measurements from to use as a template to design my own low profile baitcaster from scratch
so.. any ideas as to what would be an inexpensive design with some potential, or at least works as a good representation to the typical baitcaster i can base my own design off of?.. 145 yards of 12lb test seems to be a standard spool size for most for example, and a common feature for example
its kind of hard to explain what im looking for but i hope someone gets the idea
ColdSVT reply :
Id look at a bps pq, or an used citica
FishTank reply :
I picked up a shimano Citica at dicks sporting goods for $45. It's similar in design to the curado g,the core, and the chronarch e. There are difference between each reel that make them each unique and special but it is a proven reel design that shows the progression of development and features that can be accomplished in fabrication.
jason41987 reply :
one of my favorite current reels is the abu garcia ambassadeur reels, i love its brutally simple, rugged design.. i was thinking of employing some of the manufacturing techniques of the ambassadeur into a low profile design, using essentially flat sides to the frame connected in the middle with metal bars to create a rigid metal frame for example
what do you guys think about making a brutally simple workhouse type low profile baitcaster based on the ambassadeur round baitcaster construction?
(im just looking for ideas to changing or designing a new low profile reel)
FishTank reply :
On 7/15/2014 at 10:18 AM, jason41987 said:one of my favorite current reels is the abu garcia ambassadeur reels, i love its brutally simple, rugged design.. i was thinking of employing some of the manufacturing techniques of the ambassadeur into a low profile design, using essentially flat sides to the frame connected in the middle with metal bars to create a rigid metal frame for example
what do you guys think about making a brutally simple workhouse type low profile baitcaster based on the ambassadeur round baitcaster construction?
(im just looking for ideas to changing or designing a new low profile reel)
Not a bad idea. Somewhere in my travels, I recall I guy in England that does this with ambassadors. He does custom side plates, spools and handles. If I can find it I'll post a link.
FishTank reply :
It's pimp my reel (PMR). He's on you tube.
When i said travels above...... I meant online. Sorry....
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
I've given some thought to what the ultimate hybrid reel would be. Ease of maintenance would have to be E series Shimano Citica/Curado. The full floating spool of Daiwa/Revo, dual bearing supported pinion (ala Daiwa as they've been doing it for a while, clutch system and frame mounted yoke posts from Quantum, either Daiwa magforce Z braking or old style shimano standard cent. brakes. The Shimano level wind is durable and simple. I don't see a huge advantage to bearings in a level wind that disengages.
jason41987 reply :
i guess what i should just do is find a cheap $50 low profile baitcaster just for the general scale and size of it, then design something simpler, easier to work on, that maybe had parts compatibility with a common, long-running reel that has easy to find parts
and im checking out some of those "pimp my reel" videos now
baluga reply :
I would go with the round reels, like the Calcutta's. It has more potential to have that wow factor, instead of the low profiles. There's too many version of the low profiles already. Someone coming up with a Carbon fiber Calcutta GTE would be like beating the Conquest model easily.
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
X2On 7/15/2014 at 8:46 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:I've given some thought to what the ultimate hybrid reel would be. Ease of maintenance would have to be E series Shimano Citica/Curado. The full floating spool of Daiwa/Revo, dual bearing supported pinion (ala Daiwa as they've been doing it for a while, clutch system and frame mounted yoke posts from Quantum, either Daiwa magforce Z braking or old style shimano standard cent. brakes. The Shimano level wind is durable and simple. I don't see a huge advantage to bearings in a level wind that disengages.
Don't forget about a 2 way clutch though. Very nice feature IMO.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
I'll go along with the two way as long as it's not one of the "insta-gage" style. Awkward to use and a weak point mechanically.
jason41987 reply :
it would be nice if we had a low profile baitcaster that was modular, had a way of easily being upgraded or modified to your liking or at least a design thats simple enough to tweak for your liking
A-Jay reply :
On 7/15/2014 at 8:46 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:I've given some thought to what the ultimate hybrid reel would be. Ease of maintenance would have to be E series Shimano Citica/Curado. The full floating spool of Daiwa/Revo, dual bearing supported pinion (ala Daiwa as they've been doing it for a while, clutch system and frame mounted yoke posts from Quantum, either Daiwa magforce Z braking or old style shimano standard cent. brakes. The Shimano level wind is durable and simple. I don't see a huge advantage to bearings in a level wind that disengages.
Nice ~ Sounds like you need to go straight into production.
I'd buy a couple.
A-Jay
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
I heard that the guy at reelex (is it Dan?) was behind the design of the curado I. That reel turned out great IMO, so why aren't other brands doing this?? Reel maintenance guys like DVT, e_bassfisher, etc. ought to be hired by big reel companies more often as they have the experience!
jason41987 reply :
ill look at the curado, i likely wont buy one, but ill check them out and see what it is they have
i get the impression most people just dont like magnetic brakes?..i dont have too much experience with magnetic brakes, only centrifugal
jason41987 reply :
question.. in pondering the whole magnetic vs centrifugal debate, why hasnt anyone designed a hybrid braking system that consisted of one braking system that offered the benefits of both?.. benefit of magnetic is it doesnt contact the reel, spool free spins freely.. benefit of centrifugal is you get more brake at the beginning, less at the end.. so why hasnt anyone designed a centrifugal brake that used magnets as opposed to contacting the body of the reel?
Tywithay reply :
Daiwa did. MagZ/3d use centrifugal force via magnets.On 7/16/2014 at 12:07 PM, jason41987 said:question.. in pondering the whole magnetic vs centrifugal debate, why hasnt anyone designed a hybrid braking system that consisted of one braking system that offered the benefits of both?.. benefit of magnetic is it doesnt contact the reel, spool free spins freely.. benefit of centrifugal is you get more brake at the beginning, less at the end.. so why hasnt anyone designed a centrifugal brake that used magnets as opposed to contacting the body of the reel?
jason41987 reply :
how well did that turn out? i have my own idea in my head of how such a system could work, i should check out theirs and compare.. but was this a good braking system compared to the conventional magnetic or centrifugal brakes?
jason41987 reply :
i just looked at daiwas brake, looks like a conventional centrifugal brake but with magnets instead of the friction pieces.. my idea was different, mine was to use two fairly large rare earth magnets facing towards the side plate.. these magnets would ride in an angled groove so the further towards the outside the magnets go from the centrifugal force, the closer to the side plate they get, the sideplate will have a ring for the magnets to act upon.. adjustments are done via the outside of the side plate that moves the ring the magnets act upon closer or further from the spool to decrease and increase braking force
Tywithay reply :
On 7/16/2014 at 12:17 PM, jason41987 said:i just looked at daiwas brake, looks like a conventional centrifugal brake but with magnets instead of the friction pieces.. my idea was different, mine was to use two fairly large rare earth magnets facing towards the side plate.. these magnets would ride in an angled groove so the further towards the outside the magnets go from the centrifugal force, the closer to the side plate they get, the sideplate will have a ring for the magnets to act upon.. adjustments are done via the outside of the side plate that moves the ring the magnets act upon closer or further from the spool to decrease and increase braking force
Daiwa's system is similar. The inductor cup moves on the spool shaft closer to the magnets, using centrifugal force, the faster that the spool spins. The external dial moves the magnets to give more or less initial force.
jason41987 reply :
so anyway, i guess all i need to start with is some basic measurements for scale.. maybe something that uses a magnetic brake system since i already have one with a centrifugal so i can study both and start working on my own design, luckily reels with magnetic brakes are the cheapest and i dont think i need something with an aluminum frame either.. so really any of the entry level reels should suffice, any suggestions?.. i think daiwas entry level reel with that twitching bar thing is kind of pointless.. what about the abu black max? any other suggestions?
whichever reel i choose to be a testing platform will also likely end up having a lot of modifications done to it, so while i make certain components, whichever reel i select will be what it gets installed on and tested with
Loop_Dad reply :
I thought this was a different kind of thread. Sorry, I just like to fish
Slipknot_Fan666 reply :
Black Max, it's around $55 after tax and it sounds like all you need is the measurements of the parts.
jason41987 reply :
On 7/16/2014 at 9:54 PM, Demonic Forrest said:Black Max, it's around $55 after tax and it sounds like all you need is the measurements of the parts.
yeah, basically.. i mean, the daiwa megaforce has the whole magnetic centrifugal brake system which could be good too and id spend more for that one if it wasnt for that "twitching bar" that seems like something incredibly idiotic they put on just for the sake of advertising something else about it
Tywithay reply :
Look for the old model Daiwa Exceler with magforce Z. Great little reel that's on sale for around $50 at some places.
BassWhole! reply :
On 7/15/2014 at 9:47 AM, jason41987 said:...fabricate a carbon fiber frame to replace the graphite one...,
Awesome. You should work for a Government contractor..
jason41987 reply :
On 7/16/2014 at 10:59 PM, Tywithay said:Look for the old model Daiwa Exceler with magforce Z. Great little reel that's on sale for around $50 at some places.
newer ones dont have the magforce z?
Tywithay reply :
No. Just standard magforce.On 7/17/2014 at 4:14 AM, jason41987 said:newer ones dont have the magforce z?
jason41987 reply :
On 7/17/2014 at 3:22 AM, reason said:Awesome. You should work for a Government contractor..
graphite and carbon are not exactly the same though, some use the terms interchangeable but from an engineering standpoint there are differences in the manufacturing techniques which result in different properties
ill have the tools soon to CNC machine a new frame out of any alloy id like.. so im not too worried about starting out with something that had a graphite frame to base my own design on, but i hope to design a frame that can use the same side plates at least, using simple shapes and manufacturing techniques
jason41987 reply :
On 7/17/2014 at 4:15 AM, Tywithay said:No. Just standard magforce.
so they went from one better braking system, to a lesser one?.. im guessing to cut costs to meet a certain profit margin?
Tywithay reply :
Yeah, basically. The old model also had a free floating spool. The new one is extremely watered down.On 7/17/2014 at 4:28 AM, jason41987 said:so they went from one better braking system, to a lesser one?.. im guessing to cut costs to meet a certain profit margin?
jason41987 reply :
ill look for an older one, ive been watching a video reel of how the magforce z system works and its pretty much exactly what i had in mind though with the magnetic fields in opposite directions, i think i like daiwas idea better because its possible to have the inductor entirely outside of the magnetic field for zero braking near the end of the cast and its mechanism to move the inductor is very simple in design.. so yeah, ill get an older exceler then to use for my purposes
BassWhole! reply :
On 7/17/2014 at 4:28 AM, jason41987 said:graphite and carbon are not exactly the same though, some use the terms interchangeable but from an engineering standpoint there are differences in the manufacturing techniques which result in different properties
ill have the tools soon to CNC machine a new frame out of any alloy id like.. so im not too worried about starting out with something that had a graphite frame to base my own design on, but i hope to design a frame that can use the same side plates at least, using simple shapes and manufacturing techniques
Middletown Composites is where you want to send your resume...
Alonerankin2 reply :
Oh lots of folks like magnetics, Daiwa does it really well at least from Magforce Z to 3 D
I use shimano now, but used Daiwa for years and years...
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
Yup cutting costs and trying to buff up the higher end models so that people will spend more..
bass1980 reply :
I only read the first few post so if this reel has been mentioned already then I guess add it to the list again. I think you should look for a beat up Daiwa T3 Ballistic. Right now it's going for $110 so a used beat up one should be significantly less. Why? Well we all know the T3 platform is a casting machine. The 3D braking system is outstanding. Palms well, and has tons of aftermarket parts even though you are fabbing stuff up too. Many people agree that an aluminum T3 would be great and without the hood. If you are fabbing up shells then a non Zion T3 would be nice and without the hood. You can interchange internal parts with the T3 1016 if you choose also. Well that's my suggestion.
jason41987 reply :
hmm.. sounds like a sneaky way as opposed to just making their higher end models better, they make their lower end models worse.. maybe thats why the guy who posted two up switched to shimano?.. i have some abu garcia stuff right now, ambassadeurs and just got away from spinning gear last year so i dont really have any brand allegiances at this point.. im kind of at the point where nothing impresses me all that much in term of the low profiles, i see many compromises made on materials, features
this is what inspires me to make my own, simplify some of the design for ease of maintenance, increased life of the reel, you know, features and quality that go beyond the realm of planned obsolescence, profit margins, etc
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
From an ease of maintenance standpoint I'm not sure Diawa is the way to go.
bass1980 reply :
Yeah I read the first post again and you are right. Something simple but built tough. Then IMO there's no question that a beat up used Shimano Citica E is the one!
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