9.0:1 Really Needed 2024
RippinLips4 reply :
Abu's Revo Rocket has a 9.0:1 Gear Ratio with 37 inches per turn, what in the heck do you need that for? the only thing i could think is punching. My 7.1:1's do the job just fine though.
What are your guys thoughts? Needed or wanted?
GaterB reply :
I could see it making buzzbaits or "toads" (the kind with kicking feet) easier to keep on top. You could slow your retrieve down and still keep those things burning on the surface. I've heard that for use with pitching that reel is the most efficient because it literally takes two handle turns to get a pitched bait back for another cast.
mjseverson24 reply :
I would use it for jigs/t-rigs and hollow body frogs, i would most likely upgrade the handle to a longer 90+mm to increase the torque...
Mitch
fish365 reply :
Burning a trap
Tywithay reply :
10 years ago 7:1 was pretty much unheard of. As far as I know, people were still catching fish on the same lures we use today. Obscene gear ratios aren't a necessity, they're more of a luxury feature.
bflp3 reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 8:37 AM, mjseverson24 said:I would use it for jigs/t-rigs and hollow body frogs, i would most likely upgrade the handle to a longer 90+mm to increase the torque...
Mitch
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the super high gear ratio? Longer handle means your hand has to travel further per rotation of the handle. You are essentially lowering the gear ratio with a longer handle aren't you?
J Francho reply :
No, you are increasing the distance your hand travels. One turn gets you 7 spool revolutions on a 7:1 reel, whether the handle is 90mm or 9 inches. Also, the longer the handle the less torque it takes to torn that reel. In sone situations, a long handle just feels better. In others I like short handle.
As far as 9:1 reels go, my 7:1 reels aren't my favorite for moving baits. There will always be room for a slower reel.
Grantman83 reply :
I believe the revo rocket has A 95mm handle.
Stingray23 reply :
overkill
FlipnLimits reply :
Wanted not needed. I even think 7.4 is too fast for frogs. But that's just my opinion
FL
bflp3 reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 9:24 AM, J Francho said:No, you are increasing the distance your hand travels. One turn gets you 7 spool revolutions on a 7:1 reel, whether the handle is 90mm or 9 inches. Also, the longer the handle the less torque it takes to torn that reel. In sone situations, a long handle just feels better. In others I like short handle.
As far as 9:1 reels go, my 7:1 reels aren't my favorite for moving baits. There will always be room for a slower reel.
Perhaps I worded my response confusingly. What I meant by "essentially lowing your gear ratio" is that you are slowing your reel down, which seems to defeat the purpose of a higher gear ratio.
Given the same handle length, a 7:1 reel brings line in faster than a 6:1 reel because one revolution of the handle spins the spool an additional revolution. That means even though your hand travels the same distance with both reels, the 7.1 pulls in additional line with one additional spool revolution. If we add a longer handle, our hand has to travel additional distance to bring in the same amount of line as the shorter handle.
The rocket has 37" per turn, roughly 940mm per handle turn. If my math is correct, with an 80mm handle you will pull in 3.75mm of line per 1mm your handle travels, while with a 90mm handle you will pull in 3.32mm of line per 1mm your handle moves. The reason why the longer handle requires less torque is because your are doing less work per unit of distance the handle moves.
I understand what you are saying about a longer or shorter handle feeling better, as a bigger or smaller reeling radius might feel more comfortable to some. But putting a longer handle on the reel seems to defeat the purpose of getting a crazy high gear ratio.
Scott F reply :
I could have used that reel over the weekend when I was burning a Red Eye shad. My hand was getting tired even with a 7:1 reel. The weeds were shallow and if you slowed down, you were bring back weeds.
mjseverson24 reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 10:51 AM, bflp3 said:Perhaps I worded my response confusingly. What I meant by "essentially lowing your gear ratio" is that you are slowing your reel down, which seems to defeat the purpose of a higher gear ratio.
Given the same handle length, a 7:1 reel brings line in faster than a 6:1 reel because one revolution of the handle spins the spool an additional revolution. That means even though your hand travels the same distance with both reels, the 7.1 pulls in additional line with one additional spool revolution. If we add a longer handle, our hand has to travel additional distance to bring in the same amount of line as the shorter handle.
The rocket has 37" per turn, roughly 940mm per handle turn. If my math is correct, with an 80mm handle you will pull in 3.75mm of line per 1mm your handle travels, while with a 90mm handle you will pull in 3.32mm of line per 1mm your handle moves. The reason why the longer handle requires less torque is because your are doing less work per unit of distance the handle moves.
I understand what you are saying about a longer or shorter handle feeling better, as a bigger or smaller reeling radius might feel more comfortable to some. But putting a longer handle on the reel seems to defeat the purpose of getting a crazy high gear ratio.
your thinking is correct, but the magnitude of the effect you are talking about may be a little off. say you have the 9:1 ratio like the rocket has, by increasing the size of the handle you will effectively" slow down" the reel, but it may slow it down to the speed equivalent of an 8.5:1 or an 8:1, but you will have better leverage when reeling than you had before without totally sacrificing the speed of the reel. In my opinion it is a better mix of Power and speed. But apparently it already comes with a 95mm handle so upgrading may not be necessary...
bigbill reply :
Isn't this ratio used for getting the lure back to the boat faster after a strike and a miss so you can get the lure back out there faster when $$ is on the line?
I used a 6.3-1 reel all day and I was beat and tired that day.
I'm out of shape and condition for the faster reels.
*Hootie reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 8:43 AM, Tywithay said:10 years ago 7:1 was pretty much unheard of. As far as I know, people were still catching fish on the same lures we use today. Obscene gear ratios aren't a necessity, they're more of a luxury feature.
Back in the 60's and 70's, my old Ambassadeurs had a gear ratio of 3.5:1. I still caught bass using the same type of lures. Of course you have to realize, the bass were really stupid back then.
Hootie
Koofy Smacker reply :
If you have thinking like this you shouldnt be bass fishing. Name one thing in our sport that ISN'T overkill for the green and bronze fish. 250hp motors, 80 mph, 10 gagillion bait colors, ridicuouls japanese prices and swimbaits and more rod, reel, line choices than you can even fit on a single website.
Yet we all love it for that reason
ColdSVT reply :
My car doesnt need to make 540hp....but it does lol
WIGuide reply :
I can see this being a benefit for flippin' and pitching as well as hollow bodied frogs, toads, and buzz baits. My two main uses would be for pitch/flip and as a frog reel. If you swing on a fish with a frog and miss you can get that thing back to the boat and right back out there considerably faster.
gulfcaptain reply :
Has anyone thought about after the fact. You hook a 9lb bass on a frog in the weeds and try and turn that handle with 65lb braid as that seems to be the most common(shot in the dark), if you have that drag buttoned I'm thinking there are gonna be some broken rods. Or they are gonna rip the hooks out of the fish because of it's speed. I'm waiting till they make a 2 speed bass reel, one that is 9:1 and then you can push the button and drop down to 3:1 and just turn the handle and winch them in. Until then 7:1 is just fine for me. They may need to put a warning on the side of the box stating you need to wear safety glasses so you don't get pieces of graphite in your eyes from your rod snapping.
McAlpine reply :
Gear ratio is not necessarily the telling factor. IPT is what is more of intrest in combination with the radius of the handle arc to really detail how "fast" you can pull in line....or maybe want to.
ie..One of my favorite reels is a 7.9:1 MGX. Normally I would scoff at something so fast but it's a small reel with a small spool. Dependent upon how much line is on the spool at the time of the retreive IPT will vary but they list at a full spool 31" per turn. The full turn of the handle can be modified with a longer handle. It will simply take longer to complete a full revolution on a longer handle but you will be pulling in the same amount of line. Keeping all of this in mind though, the diamater of the spool with less line is smaller initially after the cast than at the end. So in reality, the same speed of retreive at the handle of the reel escalates the speed of the bait the closer it gets to you. More IPT due to larger diameter of spool as it fills with line.
You want to go really, really fast? Get a high gear ratio reel, with a large spool, keep it chock full of line, make short casts and have a very short handle radius.
You want to go really, really slow? Get a low gear ratio reel, with a small spool, keep it low on line, make long casts and have a very long handle radius.
So, no real point here other than being tired of complaints or inconsistant fact stating about gear ratio when it is only one variable in the "speed" of your bait equation.
J Francho reply :
I remember when 5:1 casting reels were called high speed. It's interesting that no one discusses spinning gear ratios. A small 6:1 spinning reel can take up 30+ IPT.
frogflogger reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 9:14 PM, gulfcaptain said:Has anyone thought about after the fact. You hook a 9lb bass on a frog in the weeds and try and turn that handle with 65lb braid as that seems to be the most common(shot in the dark), if you have that drag buttoned I'm thinking there are gonna be some broken rods. Or they are gonna rip the hooks out of the fish because of it's speed. I'm waiting till they make a 2 speed bass reel, one that is 9:1 and then you can push the button and drop down to 3:1 and just turn the handle and winch them in. Until then 7:1 is just fine for me. They may need to put a warning on the side of the box stating you need to wear safety glasses so you don't get pieces of graphite in your eyes from your rod snapping.
I've fantasized about two speed frog reels - I like to zip them in for another cast but grind the reel on my hookset therefore 6.3:1 is what I use.
J Francho reply :
Shimano made a two speed lo pro reel. Bantam Black Magnum II. 3.8:1 and 5.2:1. It even had mag brakes. It was fussy.
gulfcaptain reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 9:21 PM, McAlpine said:Gear ratio is not necessarily the telling factor. IPT is what is more of intrest in combination with the radius of the handle arc to really detail how "fast" you can pull in line....or maybe want to.
You want to go really, really fast? Get a high gear ratio reel, with a large spool, keep it chock full of line, make short casts and have a very short handle radius.
You want to go really, really slow? Get a low gear ratio reel, with a small spool, keep it low on line, make long casts and have a very long handle radius.
So, no real point here other than being tired of complaints or inconsistant fact stating about gear ratio when it is only one variable in the "speed" of your bait equation.
Handle length has nothing to do with gear ratio. One turn of the handle is going to turn the spool the stated amount of times, whether it's long or short. Longer handles just gives more torque thus making it easier to reel at the higher speed. And if you have a really low amount of line on your reel, you can't really make long casts. Think the tread started about what each of us thought so there isn't any complaining going on, just opinions in a discussion. To each there own. That's the great part about the market, we each can choose what we like to use.
gulfcaptain reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 10:15 PM, J Francho said:Shimano made a two speed lo pro reel. Bantam Black Magnum II. 3.8:1 and 5.2:1. It even had mag brakes. It was fussy.
Take it those came out a long time back?
J Francho reply :
Probably 20 years ago or more.
Master Bait'r reply :
You could fill Biwa with all the "unnecessary" advances in fishing. After all- all you need is a stick, line and a hook to be fishing. The rest is just nice options haha
motodmast reply :
its just like everything else, bigger numbers grab our attention. and its something new they can make money off of. Remember, they are all about money, money money money. I guarantee someone will comeout with a 10.1:1 here soon, it will be the next "big Thing" and everyone will want one. Its all marketing 
snuffboX reply :
ever lose a fish cause they came straight towards the boat and put slack in the line? i use a revo rocket for everything from crankbaits to drop shotting and everything in between. just learn to slow your roll and it works great. also it takes 3 turns of the reel handle and your ready to make another long pitch. It works for me but to each his own i guess
Brian Needham reply :
my lews 7.1 does 31 IPT that seems as fast as I would ever ever need.
the handle size point mentioned earlier is a very good point, one that I will keep in mind when setting up crankin sticks
gulfcaptain reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 11:32 PM, snuffboX said:. It works for me but to each his own i guess
On 3/27/2014 at 11:31 PM, motodmast said:I guarantee someone will comeout with a 10.1:1 here soon, it will be the next "big Thing" and everyone will want one. Its all marketing
Yep, all about the marketing and the freedom to make a choice as to what equipment we choose to fish with. snuffboX has it right, works for him, but to each their own.
Crappiebasser reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 10:15 PM, J Francho said:Shimano made a two speed lo pro reel. Bantam Black Magnum II. 3.8:1 and 5.2:1. It even had mag brakes. It was fussy.
I still have one. That is the worst Shimano reel I ever owned. The shift lever was right behind the drag star and always in the way.
.RM. reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 9:24 AM, J Francho said:No, you are increasing the distance your hand travels. One turn gets you 7 spool revolutions on a 7:1 reel, whether the handle is 90mm or 9 inches. Also, the longer the handle the less torque it takes to torn that reel. In sone situations, a long handle just feels better. In others I like short handle.
As far as 9:1 reels go, my 7:1 reels aren't my favorite for moving baits. There will always be room for a slower reel.
Amen to dat...
.RM. reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 10:15 PM, J Francho said:Shimano made a two speed lo pro reel. Bantam Black Magnum II. 3.8:1 and 5.2:1. It even had mag brakes. It was fussy.
I love Shimano, but that 2 speed was one of the biggest peices of crap that I worked on in the early 90's.
I even owned one, that is now in peices, in a parts bin...
J Francho reply :
Fussy is an understatement. Lol.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Fussy?...I just had a flashback, and it wern't pretty.
McAlpine reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 10:25 PM, gulfcaptain said:Handle length has nothing to do with gear ratio. One turn of the handle is going to turn the spool the stated amount of times, whether it's long or short. Longer handles just gives more torque thus making it easier to reel at the higher speed. And if you have a really low amount of line on your reel, you can't really make long casts. Think the tread started about what each of us thought so there isn't any complaining going on, just opinions in a discussion. To each there own. That's the great part about the market, we each can choose what we like to use.
Sorry bro, your right but your wrong.
Yes, you are correct that handle length has nothing to do with gear ratio.
However; why would anyone care in the conversation of the speed of a bait or why you would need a specific gear ratio? Gear ratio is not the only deciding factor in how "FAST" your bait moves, nor is the length of handle solely....but....
The point is that handle length has everything to do with the speed of your bait. The argument I was trying to make is that it pains me to constantly hear about everyone that gets hung up on gear ratio when IPT is way more important. Still, why get hung up on IPT when it is a varaible that changes throughout your retreive based upon spool size with a bait caster. In addition to that, the length of the radius of your handle will absolutly modify the SPEED at which your bait moves. In a nutshell, bad math drives me absolutly nuts. Yeah, I'm that geek.
Given a smaller or larger radius of the handle, your hand must move a certain number of inches in a circle to complete X revolutions of the spool. The spool will take up a certain number of inches of line which is actually an integral because the diamater changes with time, ie..the plot of the IPT is a curve which never reaches absolute value. Based upon that same time delta, your hand revolving in a circle to complete that revolution of the handle will take less time if the total distance traveled is less due to a smaller handle radius. In the universe that we live in, your hand cannot spin a larger radius handle and a smaller radius handle at the same speed and take up the same amount of line due to the 1:1 nature of the gear ratio to the handle travel. The larger radius handle will always be behind for distance traveled near the radius edge of the main gear as compared to distance traveled at the edge of the arc of the handle.
So...point being.....see my first post above for what variables to change if you want to move your bait really fast, and which variables to change if you want to move your bait really slow.
It's all about how fast the bait moves, not Gear Ratio, IPT, or Handle Length individually but about all of them together.
So really, why have the conversation about "why do you need a 9.0:1 gear ratio"? We have many answers here to what was posed. The problem however; is that the original poster asked the wrong question.
Know what I mean?
*Hootie reply :
On 3/28/2014 at 1:57 AM, McAlpine said:Know what I mean?
Yeah, that's it.
Hootie
Raul reply :
You need it ? Not really, you can always crank faster
The fastest reel I own: Daiwa Procaster PT33SH, at 7.1:1 gear ratio and with an IPT of 34" ( according to Daiwa ) the thing was the fastest comercially available reel back in the early 90´s. Pretty son I discovered that it was not a "Jack of all trades". It does have a place and time if you really want to walk the path of the super specific, even though it still in use has never been one of the most used.
gulfcaptain reply :
Good point, as the handle was never the reason of the posting. But I can only think of how hard it would be to try and turn a 9:1 reel with a really small handle. But as stated the best part we can all discuss and make our own choices and have our own opinions, learn new things from one another, and respectfully have a few discussions, disagreements, and share the same points of view. And when all is said and done, purchase whatever products WE individually like and want.
BassWhole! reply :
On 3/28/2014 at 1:57 AM, McAlpine said:Sorry bro, your right but your wrong.
Yes, you are correct that handle length has nothing to do with gear ratio.
However; why would anyone care in the conversation of the speed of a bait or why you would need a specific gear ratio? Gear ratio is not the only deciding factor in how "FAST" your bait moves, nor is the length of handle solely....but....
The point is that handle length has everything to do with the speed of your bait. The argument I was trying to make is that it pains me to constantly hear about everyone that gets hung up on gear ratio when IPT is way more important. Still, why get hung up on IPT when it is a varaible that changes throughout your retreive based upon spool size with a bait caster. In addition to that, the length of the radius of your handle will absolutly modify the SPEED at which your bait moves. In a nutshell, bad math drives me absolutly nuts. Yeah, I'm that geek.
Given a smaller or larger radius of the handle, your hand must move a certain number of inches in a circle to complete X revolutions of the spool. The spool will take up a certain number of inches of line which is actually an integral because the diamater changes with time, ie..the plot of the IPT is a curve which never reaches absolute value. Based upon that same time delta, your hand revolving in a circle to complete that revolution of the handle will take less time if the total distance traveled is less due to a smaller handle radius. In the universe that we live in, your hand cannot spin a larger radius handle and a smaller radius handle at the same speed and take up the same amount of line due to the 1:1 nature of the gear ratio to the handle travel. The larger radius handle will always be behind for distance traveled near the radius edge of the main gear as compared to distance traveled at the edge of the arc of the handle.
So...point being.....see my first post above for what variables to change if you want to move your bait really fast, and which variables to change if you want to move your bait really slow.
It's all about how fast the bait moves, not Gear Ratio, IPT, or Handle Length individually but about all of them together.
So really, why have the conversation about "why do you need a 9.0:1 gear ratio"? We have many answers here to what was posed. The problem however; is that the original poster asked the wrong question.
Know what I mean?
That's a lot of typing, and you'd have a point, except that most modern LP bass reels have identical or very similar spool diameters, so its a moot point, kind of like making a big deal about the difference between mass and weight (unless you own a space ship)...
McAlpine reply :
On 3/28/2014 at 2:55 AM, reason said:That's a lot of typing, and you'd have a point, except that most modern LP bass reels have identical or very similar spool diameters, so its a moot point, kind of like making a big deal about the difference between mass and weight (unless you own a space ship)...
But not all of them have the same amount of line on that spool or a deep spool vs. shallow spool for total volume of line which will radicaly change the diamater of the spool at the point which the line is revolving. Nor do all reels have identical handle radi.
So, in actuality a 9:1 gear ratio reel can provide a slower speed of bait retreival than a 5:1 gear ratio reel based upon the above variables. So, why care if a reel is rated for 9:1? My example above of the 7.9:1 MGX I have is that it's relative gear ratio is more in line with your common 7:1 reel because of it's smaller size and smaller line capacity. As well it behaves more like a 6:1 with the line volume low.
Gear ratio is relative. Why sweat it if you don't know the other variables? It's marketing hype that the bass fishing community has bought into as gear ratio being the only thing to take into consideration about how "fast" a reel is. Things are getting better with IPT numbers being advertised, but this is still not a real answer.
And yes, the delta in bait speed can be quite radical across platforms with similar gear ratios. Or, quite similar across platforms with greatly differential gear ratios.
The value that should be discussed when selecting a reel as "fast" or "slow" should be inches per second of bait movement as an integral of spool diameter at the radius of the line on the spool to it's center based upon a common velocity of the handle at it's end. THAT would differentiate one reel from another and this test could be completed very easily and used for maketing.
Reel manufacturing companies however will never be this honest with the consumer. Honesty about your product is not sexy.
This reminds me of a Dilbert strip that I always loved. Dilbert is trying to explain to a sales person all the technical qualities of a new product. This occurs for several frames and in the frame afterwards the person just stares at him. In the next frame Dilbert says, "Let me rephrase that in a language I like to call Liberal Arts Major". In the next frame he says "It's Blue". In the last frame if I remember correctly, the sales person loves it and determines that its going to make them rich.
McAlpine reply :
Oh also, I'm done. Sorry guys. Obviously obssessed on this too much. It just drives me nuts. I'll try to let it go now so we can have fun again.
RippinLips4 reply :
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gulfcaptain reply :
On 3/28/2014 at 3:19 AM, McAlpine said:Oh also, I'm done. Sorry guys. Obviously obssessed on this too much. It just drives me nuts. I'll try to let it go now so we can have fun again.
Wow, you remind me of the character off Big Bang Theory.........the one and only Dr. Sheldon Cooper. j/k Honestly I did learn a lot as you have a great deal more technical info and knowledge.
McAlpine reply :
Also, I personally prefer a 6.4:1
McAlpine reply :
On 3/28/2014 at 3:26 AM, gulfcaptain said:Wow, you remind me of the character off Big Bang Theory.........the one and only Dr. Sheldon Cooper. j/k Honestly I did learn a lot as you have a great deal more technical info and knowledge.
Yeah, don't let my wife see this, I'll hear about how I'm a dork for days. She does proudly wear her "I (heart) my geek" tee at times though.
rippin-lips reply :
Where were you when I was taking those d**n math test for the railroad haha.
mjseverson24 reply :
Hey now I get enough calculous in class, i don't need to see it on here too... lol good stuff man wear the nerd badge proudly...
Mitch
AQUA VELVA reply :
I can't wait for 10:1 reels complete with huge salt water handles! Yowzza!
Teal reply :
Nah... 7:1 is plenty. Its a classic case of the fishing industry catching more anglers.
BassWhole! reply :
On 3/28/2014 at 3:05 AM, McAlpine said:But not all of them have the same amount of line on that spool or a deep spool vs. shallow spool for total volume of line which will radicaly change the diamater of the spool at the point which the line is revolving. Nor do all reels have identical handle radi.
So, in actuality a 9:1 gear ratio reel can provide a slower speed of bait retreival than a 5:1 gear ratio reel based upon the above variables. So, why care if a reel is rated for 9:1? My example above of the 7.9:1 MGX I have is that it's relative gear ratio is more in line with your common 7:1 reel because of it's smaller size and smaller line capacity. As well it behaves more like a 6:1 with the line volume low.
Gear ratio is relative. Why sweat it if you don't know the other variables? It's marketing hype that the bass fishing community has bought into as gear ratio being the only thing to take into consideration about how "fast" a reel is. Things are getting better with IPT numbers being advertised, but this is still not a real answer.
And yes, the delta in bait speed can be quite radical across platforms with similar gear ratios. Or, quite similar across platforms with greatly differential gear ratios.
The value that should be discussed when selecting a reel as "fast" or "slow" should be inches per second of bait movement as an integral of spool diameter at the radius of the line on the spool to it's center based upon a common velocity of the handle at it's end. THAT would differentiate one reel from another and this test could be completed very easily and used for maketing.
Reel manufacturing companies however will never be this honest with the consumer. Honesty about your product is not sexy.
This reminds me of a Dilbert strip that I always loved. Dilbert is trying to explain to a sales person all the technical qualities of a new product. This occurs for several frames and in the frame afterwards the person just stares at him. In the next frame Dilbert says, "Let me rephrase that in a language I like to call Liberal Arts Major". In the next frame he says "It's Blue". In the last frame if I remember correctly, the sales person loves it and determines that its going to make them rich.
Are you in Colorado right now?...
Goose52 reply :
Is a 9:1 gear ratio (very high IPT) necessary?. NO. Would it be handy to have at times? Yes, for the reasons already mentioned: (1) bringing a bait back fast once it's out of the strike zone to make another cast, (2) when a fish swims directly at you, and (3) burning a bait over skinny water. However, while it has those advantages, it would be a niche ratio for me...not something I'd want to fish with all the time.
Practical application of two of the concepts discussed in this thread - gear ratio and handle length. About an hour ago I was at a lake and toss my trusty lipless crank out to max range - borderline hookup range. I let the bait hit the bottom in about 15 fow, wait a second, and pop it off the bottom and let it fall. The rod mushes up, hookset, BIG fish on. Couple strong tugs, fish runs to the right, then turns directly at me and makes a run...VERY fast. About now, I'm wishing I had a 20:1 ratio reel with about a 50mm handle. I crank as fast as I possibly can and am not keeping up with the fish. The fish then turns, I feel the weight of the fish for just a second.... then it's unbuttoned and gone. Probably never had a really good hook-up, and the fish got some slack line and that didn't help. After that, my shoulders droop down, I shake my head, then think to myself...I guess I'll post on that 9:1 thread after all.................................. 
bflp3 reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 1:08 PM, mjseverson24 said:your thinking is correct, but the magnitude of the effect you are talking about may be a little off. say you have the 9:1 ratio like the rocket has, by increasing the size of the handle you will effectively" slow down" the reel, but it may slow it down to the speed equivalent of an 8.5:1 or an 8:1, but you will have better leverage when reeling than you had before without totally sacrificing the speed of the reel. In my opinion it is a better mix of Power and speed. But apparently it already comes with a 95mm handle so upgrading may not be necessary...
It really just depends on how big you go, but any additional leverage is coming at the cost of speed. I think preference in handle radius should really be the deciding factor. If that doesn't matter to a person, they are better off keeping the smaller handle and picking a slower ratio than buying a higher ratio and then spending extra money on a bigger handle.
Capt.Bob reply :
If anything I think it would be good for teaching you to use the rod because it would be useless trying to hog em in! I have no use for one.
plumworm reply :
Wow, This has to be the most technical thread in a long time. I didn't understand 90% of it, but read the whole durn thing, hoping that I soon would. I didn't. I will attempt to learn the angle of the dangle and the Malthusian theory before I ever try to read another post like this. BTW, I have 2, 5/1 reels and the rest are 6/1 and I still catch a fish once in a while. Do you think if I bought a 9/1 I could be a better fisherman? I need help.
Jeff H reply :
On 3/28/2014 at 10:59 AM, plumworm said:Do you think if I bought a 9/1 I could be a better fisherman? I need help.
Without a doubt. They should have telescoping handles too.
The Rooster reply :
I tried to get behind all these multiple gear ratios......fast, super fast, moderate, and slow, and ultimately ended up learning that a basic 6.x:1 was good enough for nearly anything I care to do while fishing. If a bait absolutely requires more or less than that then I just won't fish it.
All these tech specs and details suck the fun out of fishing anymore. I have a 5.4:1 crank reel that I didn't even bother to put line on this year. I have a 7.1:1 reel that has last year's line on it still, and I find myself occasionally wishing it was a 6.4:1 like my other two are. When I replace these 3 I'm currently using (they're getting old and about due) I'll probably just buy one single gear ratio across the board for every bait I throw, deep diving, topwater, surface burning, dead sticking, and any other presentation there is. If it works it works, and if it doesn't then I had fun trying and I'll call it a day and try again later, changing absolutely nothing when I do.
On a 9.0:1 reel, I can say for sure I'll never see the day when I try one.
WdyCrankbait reply :
I'm not sure if the hyper gear ratio of 9 to 1 is really needed, but it sure is fun!!
Got a Revo Rocket a couple of weeks ago and it will be my primary pitching reel with a 7 to 1 Curado 50E as a back up (w/Hawgtech handle). But, I see a good advantage in being able to with a couple turns of the handle, have the bait out of the strike zone and heading to potential another.
But, as mentioned above a couple of times, this is just the latest thing.
Great discussion as well on this topic. Usually this type of topic can take a turn for the worse, but I liked reading all the different view points.
Wdy
hatrix reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 8:34 AM, GaterB said:I could see it making buzzbaits or "toads" (the kind with kicking feet) easier to keep on top. You could slow your retrieve down and still keep those things burning on the surface. I've heard that for use with pitching that reel is the most efficient because it literally takes two handle turns to get a pitched bait back for another cast.
A couple guys were looking at one of those and I said I could see it being nice for buzzbaits/frogs or traps. They looked at me like I was weird and said it was for pitching. I thought of using it for buzz stuff and traps first so maybe I am weird.
Felix77 reply :
Necessary ... no. But it looks so freakin' cool.
tcbass reply :
On 3/27/2014 at 11:32 PM, snuffboX said:ever lose a fish cause they came straight towards the boat and put slack in the line? i use a revo rocket for everything from crankbaits to drop shotting and everything in between. just learn to slow your roll and it works great. also it takes 3 turns of the reel handle and your ready to make another long pitch. It works for me but to each his own i guess
So you'd definitely buy another one?
GaterB reply :
On 4/16/2014 at 3:33 AM, hatrix said:A couple guys were looking at one of those and I said I could see it being nice for buzzbaits/frogs or traps. They looked at me like I was weird and said it was for pitching. I thought of using it for buzz stuff and traps first so maybe I am weird.
If that makes a person weird I'm fine with it! I think it would be awesome to be able to have a slower, super controlled retrieve and still burn a bait across the surface or over submerged grass!
snuffboX reply :
On 4/16/2014 at 5:41 AM, tcbass said:So you'd definitely buy another one?
oh yeah in a heartbeat!
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