Why don't they throw the Ned? 2024
Smokinal reply :
I haven't been on in a while so this may have been asked but I was watching MLF and these guys are zeroing and having a hard time catching 1 single fish in 8 hrs. Do they not know about the Ned? I doubt it. They will literally throw a shakey for 8 hrs without a bite but not pick up a TRD? I understand throwing your confidence bait but geeze....
gardnerjigman reply :
I've wondered this myself. Will fish a drop shot or wacky rig all day but no Ned.
kcdinkerz reply :
Trd = A lot of trd bass lol
Catt reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 9:13 AM, Smokinal said:I haven't been on in a while so this may have been asked but I was watching MLF and these guys are zeroing and having a hard time catching 1 single fish in 8 hrs. Do they not know about the Ned? I doubt it. They will literally throw a shakey for 8 hrs without a bite but not pick up a TRD? I understand throwing your confidence bait but geeze....
Do y'all not understand that no technique or lure produces all the time & in all conditions?
Smokinal reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 6:54 PM, Catt said:Do y'all not understand that no technique or lure produces all the time & in all conditions?
Exactly! So why do they insist on throwing a shakey head for 8 straight hours without a bite? You would think they would know that...
Bankbeater reply :
They might when the cameras aren't rolling.
MDBowHunter reply :
Since it's pretty much a Zman deal a lot of guys probably can't. A shakey head could be any number of different manufacturers, at least this is what I think. To be honest though I've never used the Ned rig either, and if I did I'd probably just tear a senko in half and put it on a light jig head or small shakey head. I've been using a 4" senko on a light shakey head for years now, isn't that pretty much the same thing as the Ned rig.
Senko lover reply :
I kinda wonder that myself, because the Ned Rig is the closest thing to a magic bait I've ever seen. I have massive loads of confidence in it. I throw it every time nothing's biting and I just want a fish, and I've NEVER gotten skunked on it. Never.
Preytorien reply :
I've wondered the same thing. I think a couple points will factor in though. As mentioned above, the Ned catches a bunch of bass, but most of them are Ned size bass. Some of those tournaments that allow for culling all the fish would benefit this as you could pull up on a good spot and just catch a mess of em' but in 5-fish tournaments they're going for size, and the Ned requires wading through a lot of dinks before you get to the big ones.
The other thing is that the Ned, like a wacky or something, requires a very slow presentation. Some of the guys I fish with just move too fast. They're constantly searching and don't want to take the time to thoroughly fish an area with a finesse slow presentation.
But one of my best days last year was pulling up on an old road-bed last year and dropping a Coppertreuse Ned and caught a nice bass on almost every cast for 10-15 casts straight. I must've found that lake's HOA meeting or something.
Catt reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 7:26 PM, Smokinal said:Exactly! So why do they insist on throwing a shakey head for 8 straight hours without a bite? You would think they would know that...
Yelp! The Ned is the answer to every condition on every body of water world wide!
Y'all really think they don't throw something because of sponsors?"
FloridaFishinFool reply :
I have to wonder if the pro's are limiting their lure selections based on sponsor contracts?
Evan K reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 8:46 PM, Catt said:Yelp! The Ned is the answer to every condition on every body of water world wide!
Y'all really think they don't throw something because of sponsors?"
Lol. You're kind of not offering any alternative explanation?
It seems weird that a pro whose occupation is fishing and whose daily bread so to speak depends on their knowledge of it, ignoring a popular and in many cases productive technique.
frogflogger reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 8:23 PM, MDBowHunter said:Since it's pretty much a Zman deal a lot of guys probably can't. A shakey head could be any number of different manufacturers, at least this is what I think. To be honest though I've never used the Ned rig either, and if I did I'd probably just tear a senko in half and put it on a light jig head or small shakey head. I've been using a 4" senko on a light shakey head for years now, isn't that pretty much the same thing as the Ned rig.
It's close and the whole concept is based on the effectiveness of the original Chuck Woods beetle. But the elaztec plastic is amazingly durable (100 fish on one bait is not unheard of) The mushroom or shroom head gives the bait a movement that is unique and has been proven to be a very effective lure - try it you'll like it.
BuckMaxx reply :
It is likely they are doing what they feel will get them 5 big bites an not worried about a limit of squeekers. The Ned for me is a limit filler. But can't count the number of times I bring 6lbs to the scale because I spent my 8 hours catching alot of fish vs targeting five big ones.
Choporoz reply :
BrianinMD reply :
Referring to smaller bass and 5 fish limits really doesn't fit this discussion. In the MLF the OP asked about its not about the biggest 5, its total weight of any keeper size fish.
Not 100% sure no one fishes it but everyone is going to fish what they believe is their strength and what the are comfortable with. What may be a comfort bait to us may not be to them.
gardnerjigman reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 8:46 PM, Catt said:Yelp! The Ned is the answer to every condition on every body of water world wide!
Y'all really think they don't throw something because of sponsors?"
I'm not saying it's the miracle bait or anything else. I am however saying that I HIGHLY doubt anyone would blank in an hour day fishing it.
As subtle as the ned is, and what it represents food wise in the water, I bet there aren't many fish holding bodies of water that it wouldn't produce on... just saying.
GJM
FloridaFishinFool reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 11:04 PM, Choporoz said:(Video)
Thanks for posting that video! It answered two questions I had.
1)He is admitting they do have sponsor contracts that compel them to use only their sponsor baits.
2)He is admitting they also use non-sponsor baits he has to purchase himself and he goes on to say the reason he does that is he wants to catch fish and often his sponsor does not make the bait he thinks will work for the situation, and that using the non-sponsor lure he has to be "sneaky" using it!
This might go a long way to explaining why some fishermen are locked into certain lures even when not working! If they get caught breaking the sponsor contract they could lose it all together! So rather than risk losing a sponsor... well the rest is obvious.
WRB reply :
Ned rig is a very light weight and very slow falling presentation that takes time tournament anglers don't have to locate bass that may strike. Shaky head, dart head or drop shot is a lot faster to locate and catch a few inactive bass. What you don't realize is a lot of lures and presentations can catch the same bass a Ned rig does, they do it much faster.
Tom
IDUTBass reply :
I remember reading an article from Mike Iaconelli on Bassmaster talking about how using the Ned rig saved one of his tournament days this season. I will have to find it. Anyways I feel for me I am going to choose something that I have fished for a long time and feel is going to give me the best odds. Maybe they just haven't used the Ned rig enough to gain some confidence in it. Instead they use something that has produced for them for a long time.
Catt reply :
I do not know a single Pro who fishes not to skunk!
They all fish to win!
Now if they are in the money already & need a couple fish to fill a limit then yes.
And yes I personally know several Pros that I fish with through out the year.
SCJW reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 11:01 PM, BuckMaxx said:It is likely they are doing what they feel will get them 5 big bites an not worried about a limit of squeekers. The Ned for me is a limit filler. But can't count the number of times I bring 6lbs to the scale because I spent my 8 hours catching alot of fish vs targeting five big ones.
The OP is talking about MLF where every scoreable bass counts. Those dinks would really add up as long as they measure.
K_Mac reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 11:13 PM, gardnerjigman said:I'm not saying it's the miracle bait or anything else. I am however saying that I HIGHLY doubt anyone would blank in an hour day fishing it.
As subtle as the ned is, and what it represents food wise in the water, I bet there aren't many fish holding bodies of water that it wouldn't produce on... just saying.
GJM
Over the years many baits have been in the spotlight like the Ned is now. Grubs, "frenchfries", Senkos, dropshot, shakeyhead and many others have been that "can't miss" bait. I have caught many fish on all of these baits, and at times believed that a wacky Senko or a 3" grub on a light jig would always work, yet I have been skunked using them all. This I know: There is no one bait that always works in all situations.
I really enjoyed the Swindle video. He is an honest guy that says what he thinks. Sometimes that is more than he should, but I have that same trait...
senile1 reply :
The OP never stated the Ned Rig was the answer to every slow fishing day. He just wondered why MLF anglers didn't try it when other finesse techniques failed. That sounds like a fair question with a few possible answers to me.
As for an answer, I can only speak from my own experience. I am more familiar with finesse techniques like shakey head, stick worm, drop-shot, jigging spoons, etc. than I am with the Ned rig. There are times I probably should have tried it and didn't because I thought that one of those other techniques would work and I would catch larger fish. However, this year, I have purchased what I believe to be the appropriate "Ned-ware" and I intend on becoming more comfortable with this technique. Does that mean I will never be skunked again? No. But it does mean, I will have another technique up my sleeve.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 11:09 PM, BrianinMD said:Referring to smaller bass and 5 fish limits really doesn't fit this discussion. In the MLF the OP asked about its not about the biggest 5, its total weight of any keeper size fish.
Not 100% sure no one fishes it but everyone is going to fish what they believe is their strength and what the are comfortable with. What may be a comfort bait to us may not be to them.
x2
I got 4 outings with ned rig and only caught 2 fish on 1 of those outings(and those came fishing it veeerrrryyy slooooowwwwlllly literally deadsticking it), 3 outings skunked with ned rig. . so not a comfort bait for me just yet.
Ratherbfishing reply :
"...but geeze."
It's easy to be a sideline quarterback. I think the pros are aware of the Ned.
Catt reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 11:09 PM, BrianinMD said:Referring to smaller bass and 5 fish limits really doesn't fit this discussion. In the MLF the OP asked about its not about the biggest 5, its total weight of any keeper size fish.
How can the total weight of any keeper size beat the biggest 5?
Yes I understand the BFL rules but if ya aint in the money it doesn't matter if ya have barely legal bass or none ya still ain't in the money!
I the Cowboy Division you will be fishing Sam Rayburn & Toledo Bend, any ole bass will not cut it period!
PitchinJigz reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 11:01 PM, BuckMaxx said:It is likely they are doing what they feel will get them 5 big bites an not worried about a limit of squeekers. The Ned for me is a limit filler. But can't count the number of times I bring 6lbs to the scale because I spent my 8 hours catching alot of fish vs targeting five big ones.
MLF isn't based on a 5 fish limit. Every fish counts.
On 1/30/2016 at 2:59 AM, Catt said:How can the total weight of any keeper size beat the biggest 5?
Yes I understand the BFL rules but if ya aint in the money it doesn't matter if ya have barely legal bass or none ya still ain't in the money!
I the Cowboy Division you will be fishing Sam Rayburn & Toledo Bend, any ole bass will not cut it period!
They're fishing on Dale Hollow in the middle of summer. Quite a bit different than Sam Rayburn. 
WIGuide reply :
On 1/30/2016 at 2:59 AM, Catt said:How can the total weight of any keeper size beat the biggest 5?
Yes I understand the BFL rules but if ya aint in the money it doesn't matter if ya have barely legal bass or none ya still ain't in the money!
I the Cowboy Division you will be fishing Sam Rayburn & Toledo Bend, any ole bass will not cut it period!
He was talking about MLF not BFL. You get to keep the weight of every legal sized fish not just the biggest 5. They are weighed and released immediately on the water. So say you catch 12 squeakers that barely make it and they each go a pound you have 12 lbs as a bag weight.
gardnerjigman reply :
On 1/30/2016 at 2:59 AM, Catt said:How can the total weight of any keeper size beat the biggest 5?
Yes I understand the BFL rules but if ya aint in the money it doesn't matter if ya have barely legal bass or none ya still ain't in the money!
I the Cowboy Division you will be fishing Sam Rayburn & Toledo Bend, any ole bass will not cut it period!
hello hi.... we are talking about MLF (MAJOR LEAGUE FISHING) Every 12" fish counts towards your total weight. You could catch 40 1lb 12 inchers and have 40lbs.
BrianinMD reply :
Catt, BFL and MLF are two completely different formats.
Catt reply :
Who wants to catch dinks?
tander reply :
On 1/30/2016 at 6:06 AM, Catt said:Who wants to catch dinks?
On 1/30/2016 at 6:06 AM, Catt said:Who wants to catch dinks?
Better than nothing !!! 
ward131 reply :
On 1/30/2016 at 6:06 AM, Catt said:Who wants to catch dinks?
Fisherman who want to win MLF will take the dinks all day long
BrianinMD reply :
Dinks vs Losing....not a competition. I will do whatever is needed to win.
Bassguytom reply :
I really gotta fish this rig more this year. I fished it a couple of times last year and didn't set the world on fire or anything. I think it became a confidence thing where I had more confidence in a different lure. I guess I am in the minority here.
Molay1292 reply :
On 1/30/2016 at 6:06 AM, Catt said:Who wants to catch dinks?
The Ned rig does catch dinks, but you are very misguided if you believe that is all it will catch.
WRB reply :
MLF 2016 schedule indicates the first 4 anglers that won thier round on Dale Hollow advance to fish in Wisconsin, the remaining 12 anglers that placed 2nd to 4th in the first 4 rounds fish off at Center Hill in TN, no more events at Dale Hollow.
The Format for MLF is the anglers fish out of identical rigged boats, the anglers load their tackle into the boat prior to knowing where they fishing. After arriving to the unknown lake they learn what lake and where on that lake they can fish. They anglers get a 15 min drive by to see and meter what looks good to them. The anglers get to fish 2 hours, then take a break at the luanch area then repeat 2 more rounds for a total of 6 hours fishing.
The Ned rig requires ML spinning tackle with 4 to 6 lb line, very few of these tournament anglers will have that pre loaded in the boat, may have ML or M spinning with 8 lb line. Then they need to support that with terminal tackle and various soft plastics etc.
Tom
MDBowHunter reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 10:22 PM, frogflogger said:
It's close and the whole concept is based on the effectiveness of the original Chuck Woods beetle. But the elaztec plastic is amazingly durable (100 fish on one bait is not unheard of) The mushroom or shroom head gives the bait a movement that is unique and has been proven to be a very effective lure - try it you'll like it.
No thanks to slow for me, im not drinking the Ned rig koolaid no time soon.
BrianinMD reply :
I am always intrigued by the statement "to slow for me". If the bite is slow and that is all the bass are hitting, not catching bass is better than simply slowing down?
WRB reply :
Why would any of those MLF contestants put the Neg rig rod/reel lures in the boat to fish a blind lake tournament?.....it's not on thier confidence presentation list , it must be in the boat to use it!
Tom
Molay1292 reply :
On 1/31/2016 at 12:18 AM, WRB said:Why would any of those MLF contestants put the Neg rig rod/reel lures in the boat to fish a blind lake tournament?.....it's not on thier confidence presentation list , it must be in the boat to use it!
Tom
I'm curious how you would know what any of the MLF contestants load in their boats?
gulfcaptain reply :
Time is money and no pre-fishing to locate areas. So with that said, if I didn't know a lake and needed to cover water I wouldn't fish the Ned Rig due to the amount of time it takes to fish it. I'm looking for active fish and need to cover water. Now if you found them schooled up and wanting to bite then yes they could throw that bait. But it's not a good search bait.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 11:32 PM, WRB said:Ned rig is a very light weight and very slow falling presentation that takes time tournament anglers don't have to locate bass that may strike. Shaky head, dart head or drop shot is a lot faster to locate and catch a few inactive bass. What you don't realize is a lot of lures and presentations can catch the same bass a Ned rig does, they do it much faster.
Tom
Dragging a jig or c rig in 20-30 feet of water is a slow presentation. I invite anyone who wants to come to our local lakes and fish a shakyhead or drop shot. If they can catch half as many as I do with a Ned rig, I'll buy their lunch. Fishing faster accomplishes nothing when it's not putting fish in the boat.
I think this one at Dale Hollow is probably the best chance I've seen for the rig to really shine too. It isn't magic, but situations like they're facing, it's pretty close.
SNK reply :
On 1/30/2016 at 1:42 PM, WRB said:The Ned rig requires ML spinning tackle with 4 to 6 lb line, very few of these tournament anglers will have that pre loaded in the boat, may have ML or M spinning with 8 lb line. Then they need to support that with terminal tackle and various soft plastics etc.
As soon as a few of them gain enough confidence in the Ned rig, that will change, but only if the conditions, in their minds, dictate that loading a Ned rig onto their boat warrants it. Granted the Ned rig, or variation of it has been around for a long time, so I do believe most if not all are aware of it.
I would assume anything that goes into their boat is something they believe will help them win, anything else will be collecting dust on the side lines until such a situation warrants their use.
gardnerjigman reply :
On 1/31/2016 at 2:24 AM, Bluebasser86 said:Dragging a jig or c rig in 20-30 feet of water is a slow presentation. I invite anyone who wants to come to our local lakes and fish a shakyhead or drop shot. If they can catch half as many as I do with a Ned rig, I'll buy their lunch. Fishing faster accomplishes nothing when it's not putting fish in the boat.
I think this one at Dale Hollow is probably the best chance I've seen for the rig to really shine too. It isn't magic, but situations like they're facing, it's pretty close.
Mosster47 reply :
The Ned catches a crazy number of fish and I would definitely use it in a cumulative tourney like the MLF ones.
In a best five scenario you're looking at hitting the scale with a 6lb bag way more often than not using the Ned heavily. All those guys in the MLF make their living with five best tourneys.
I get what the OP is saying and I know what Tom is saying too. The guys in those fish what they know.
cgolf reply :
This drives me nuts, I love the Ned for River fishing. I will have a big order of Zman baits this spring to cover my river fishing habits, so call me a hypocrite.
As for lake fishing the Ned has to be the most inefficient lure I have fished and is difficult to toss to vertical cover in wind and waves where your line blowing pushes the lure 5 feet from where it entered the water. I have found it will catch fish, but not as efficient as other lures. Even cold fronts, Ned isn't punching through milfoil to get to the fish that buried in there. Will I work with it again this year, sure, but to me it is just another tool to use on the water, it isn't magic.
To the sponsor thing, a couple of guys I know said that it is cool to use other stuff, they just can't say that they did. Heck Randy Howell won the classic with a shad rap, but of course they are pushing that he won with his sponsors bait.
herruberraschen reply :
I think Brent Chapman literally said "I even tried a Ned rig. Still haven't caught any" to a fellow competitor on MLF today.
gardnerjigman reply :
On 1/31/2016 at 9:15 AM, herruberraschen said:I think Brent Chapman literally said "I even tried a Ned rig. Still haven't caught any" to a fellow competitor on MLF today.
He did.
Jim Drinkwater reply :
Those of you that have attended any of the Bass University seminars know flat out that with touring Pros they will do their damnedest to catch fish on a sponsors bait but will use any thing in the boat that will keep their weight up and keep their sponsors name in the public eye and the tourney sponsors name on a nice check after the weigh in. We had a chance the fall before last to follow the MLF folks on local waters up here in Maine and yes it became a dink fest on waters where generally it is going to take 18-20+ pounds in a one day 5 fish format. A couple of the guys did swing for the fence and were so close to having it figured out that it could have changed dramatically but in the end the guys fishing for numbers prevailed. I will give the Ned a go this summer just for those days when getting a limit can be a big issue. Once one has a limit they can go and try to up grade. But again those tourneys will be of standard 5 fish format. Looks to me like another tool.
Jrob78 reply :
On 1/31/2016 at 9:15 AM, herruberraschen said:I think Brent Chapman literally said "I even tried a Ned rig. Still haven't caught any" to a fellow competitor on MLF today.
There you go, that answers that.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 1/31/2016 at 9:15 AM, herruberraschen said:I think Brent Chapman literally said "I even tried a Ned rig. Still haven't caught any" to a fellow competitor on MLF today.
Chapman also hates fishing a Ned rig and isn't afraid to admit it. Not many people I know are good with a bait they hate fishing.
TxHawgs reply :
I fish with a club of retirees on lake fork here in tx. And it's a catch and release deal just like MLF, anything over 10" gets measured and tossed back. Well lately from all the rain they have been opening the gates and when they do the fish get lock jaw. Out of 26 guys last wk 3 fish were caught, one being mine on a jig. I have never fished the Ned rig and now wondering if I should give it a shot? Only thing that worries me is there is a ton of wood and stumps in the resivoure and don't know how well that would fish meaning getting snagged every cast? Any thoughts?
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 1/31/2016 at 3:34 PM, TxHawgs said:I fish with a club of retirees on lake fork here in tx. And it's a catch and release deal just like MLF, anything over 10" gets measured and tossed back. Well lately from all the rain they have been opening the gates and when they do the fish get lock jaw. Out of 26 guys last wk 3 fish were caught, one being mine on a jig. I have never fished the Ned rig and now wondering if I should give it a shot? Only thing that worries me is there is a ton of wood and stumps in the resivoure and don't know how well that would fish meaning getting snagged every cast? Any thoughts?
If the water is muddy, then I probably wouldn't. Otherwise you can give it a shot. I fish them around stumps and wood all the time. Just finesse them through the cover and they hang up surprisingly little and are easy to retrieve if you can reach them.
TxHawgs reply :
On 1/31/2016 at 3:37 PM, Bluebasser86 said:If the water is muddy, then I probably wouldn't. Otherwise you can give it a shot. I fish them around stumps and wood all the time. Just finesse them through the cover and they hang up surprisingly little and are easy to retrieve if you can reach them.
I fish with a club of retirees on lake fork here in tx. And it's a catch and release deal just like MLF, anything over 10" gets measured and tossed back. Well lately from all the rain they have been opening the gates and when they do the fish get lock jaw. Out of 26 guys last wk 3 fish were caught, one being mine on a jig. I have never fished the Ned rig and now wondering if I should give it a shot? Only thing that worries me is there is a ton of wood and stumps in the resivoure and don't know how well that would fish meaning getting snagged every cast? Any thoughts?
No the water has been pretty clear, usually is.
Bluebasser86 reply :
I'd give it a shot, doesn't sound like it could be worse than what you're already doing. Anywhere that the fish hold on rocks or around docks they really shine.
Silas reply :
Wow! Much ado about what the Pros use!!
I suppose since I don't fish tournaments I'm a small minority that could not care less what they use or don't use. These people are NOT the "Oracles" that people make them out to be.
Some of us are chug-a-lugging the koolaid!!LOL!
Since I don't consult the pros I must indeed be very lucky to have caught so many fish in my lifetime. People like us actually come up with a technique or 2 by ourselves
( as mentioned, the "NedRig" was used 60 years ago in False River, New Roads , Louisiana!)
and even then, it didn't catch fish all the time. A "Notched River Runt" was popular.
Anyone heard of that trick?
Evan K reply :
On 2/1/2016 at 10:37 AM, Silas said:Wow! Much ado about what the Pros use!!
I suppose since I don't fish tournaments I'm a small minority that could not care less what they use or don't use. These people are NOT the "Oracles" that people make them out to be.
Some of us are chug-a-lugging the koolaid!!LOL!
Since I don't consult the pros I must indeed be very lucky to have caught so many fish in my lifetime. People like us actually come up with a technique or 2 by ourselves
( as mentioned, the "NedRig" was used 60 years ago in False River, New Roads , Louisiana!)
and even then, it didn't catch fish all the time. A "Notched River Runt" was popular.
Anyone heard of that trick?
Catt reply :
Sorry y'all I had 2 friend pass away within a hour of each other!
I've had several friends relentlessly trying to convince me to return to tournament fishing. Three want me to fish this trail and the rest want me to fish the BFL. Which is why I confused the two, I don't want to fish either.
I have made a commit to coach PE at a small private school. The 10 boys I'm coaching have had difficulties in public & other private schools but are making hugh strides at VBS. while the competitive juices still burn I would have to quit coaching & I refuse to do that...I just can not do that!
Later Y'all.
WRB reply :
Life is too short to waste on things that don't mater.
Tom
frogflogger reply :
notched river runt, that's an old trick - that's when we learned you could crank a bait fast as you could and catch fish - I believe Heddon developed the sonic from that idea.
Wbeadlescomb reply :
It just may not be someone's fishing style. I refuse to throw a shakey head ned rig or a drop shot. If at all possible I have a flipping stick in my hands picking apart cover. The closest I get to a finesse fishing is a 3/8 war eagle finesse jig. Even then it's still a decent size bait
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