Hi guys, new to the forum but long time bass fisherman. I just wasted 15 bucks on berkley fireline crystal yesterday . By bass number three this morning I was getting wind knots starting form and hate that the line floats; oh and for lo-vis. it can be seen a long way away
Anyway there is a bass pro less than an hour from me in NW Ohio and where I get most gear as I don't really know of any on-line stores and hate to buy from a site by just how slick their pages look. A recommendation for an on-line store that works fair and reasonably fast would welcome.
could I also get a recommendation as to what line I should use on my spinning reels. I use them mostly for soft plastics. I love to(/generally have to in NW Ohio) use a rigged worm or craw (nearly always weightless)
I like to use between 8-10 lb line for most places I fish. A few places the water is so clear that I have to go a little lighter
I do not have experience with braid but know some guys swear by the stuff.
Tackle Warehouse is awesome for on line purchases.
As far as line Yo-Zuri Hybrid or Yo-Zuri Ultra Soft and treated with KVD L&L and you should be good to go.
On all my spinning reels I spool up with 12 pound powerpro. If the water is clear I add a 2 foot long 12lb fluorocarbon leader. I have never gotten a wind knot or had any trouble with powerpro. I don't use straight fluoro because it is such a pain to handle on spinning reels. Baitcasting is a dfferent story.
For online stores, check out tackle warehouse. They have everything you could ever want and amazing shipping deals. (All orders over $50 get free 5 day shipping, $5 2-day shipping, and $10 next-day shipping.)
like nanofil braid with a flourcarbon leader. it casts a lot farther.
3rd for Tackle Warehouse.
I like Trilene on my spinning reels. Have heard a lot about yozuri hybrid but have never tried it.
Seaguar Invizx in 8lb if the water is clear, I use it on all of spinning rods except 2 which I use for topwaters. Never had an issue with line management, I do use KVD Line and Lure.
I have one extra spool with braid but not the biggest fan of it. If there is a breeze blowing it gets wrapped around the rod tip sometimes, and I hate having to tie the extra knot to use a leader.
Tackle Warehouse is good.
Also check out american legacy fishing. They do not have as big of a selection but they do have free shipping on any order. I have purchased 3 reels from them and their shipping is about 5 days. They have Power Pro and Sunline.
Oh and I like braid on my spinning outfits. Put a leader on if water is really clear.
Straight fishing line? Yozuri hybrid. 8-10 lbs. Combo line that's very manageable, #20 PP with 10lb yozuri leader.
Are you closing the bail on your reel by hand when you cast, or letting the bail close when you start your retrieve? Simply closing the bail by hand right before the lure hits the water will eliminate most of the line woes that people experience with spinning gear.
If it were my reel, I'd spool it with one of the following...
-15lb. Power Pro braid w/8lb. Seaguar Fluorocarbon leader (15lb. braid is approximately the same OD as 4lb. mono.)
-6, 8, or 10lb. P-Line Copoly
-Straight monofilament up to 14lb.
For bass fishing I usually use a size 2000 spinning reel, so I normally don't go higher than 8lb. test with mono. You didn't mention what size reel you have or what size line you're using. You said you like to use 8-10lb. line, but if you're using that size fireline it could be one cause of your knotting. The reason I use 15lb. braid is mostly because it minimizes knotting, and not because I want the added strength (if I remember correctly fireline crystal is ever so slightly larger than equivalent braid.) Truth be told I prefer 8 or 10lb. braid, but wind knots become a problem for me when I go down that small.
store of choice in bass pro shops or ***
get braid with a fluorocarbon leader if water is clear 8-14 lbs or heavier if thick cover.
don't get regular powerpro. get the slick 8. the regular breaks easy. i only use suffix 832 line
Yo zuri hybrid and seaguar senshi...
Tackle Warehouse. I am hooked on Seaguar INVIZ X. Good stuff.
I used to use 10# mono, such as Stren, or co-polymer, such as Gamma, on my 2500 size reels. 6-7 years ago I put 15# Power Pro on most of my reels. I don't have major problems with wind knots, but there are annoyances like the line wrapping around hooks, getting into split rings and the like, but the good outweighs the bad. The two things I like best about the braid are its strength and incredible resistance to abrasion from vegetation and wood.
Welcome aboard!
I've been using Fireline Crystal for a few years now. Never had a problem. If you are having problems with one braid, chances are you will probably have a similar problem with others. You might need a bit more practice with it, but I've found Fireline is much more forgiving than a lot of others I've tried.
It could be the reel. I have owned some reels that just do not manage braid, mono, or both. this generally happens when the line spools unevenly on the reel
I use 20-30 lb PowerPro and am pretty happy. I have also used the Bass Pro Shop brand, and a few others that I got when they were a real good deal. For the most party, they've all worked fine. Good luck...
Oh yeah...I only get knots when I'm using a "walk-the-dog" type lure like a Zara Spook. I always close the bail manually and make sure the line is straight before I start reeling.
On 6/3/2013 at 1:18 AM, Ohio Dave said:Hi guys, new to the forum but long time bass fisherman. I just wasted 15 bucks on berkley fireline crystal yesterday . By bass number three this morning I was getting wind knots starting form and hate that the line floats; oh and for lo-vis. it can be seen a long way away
Anyway there is a bass pro less than an hour from me in NW Ohio and where I get most gear as I don't really know of any on-line stores and hate to buy from a site by just how slick their pages look. A recommendation for an on-line store that works fair and reasonably fast would welcome.
could I also get a recommendation as to what line I should use on my spinning reels. I use them mostly for soft plastics. I love to(/generally have to in NW Ohio) use a rigged worm or craw (nearly always weightless)
I like to use between 8-10 lb line for most places I fish. A few places the water is so clear that I have to go a little lighter
I do not have experience with braid but know some guys swear by the stuff.
Welcome, first off.
Why not tie on a leader of whatever, fluorocarbon, hybrid, or mono? Wind knots can be (but not always) part of the fishing game. I use PowerPro mainly and occasionally get them.
I do have Berkley Fireline on one of my spinning spools. Tied on with a leader, I have very few problems....
FWIW.
any seagar flourocarbon. I dont even use it as a leader(for braid) because where I live the bass see line in the water and their jaws lock automatically. I love Invizx and I like Red label because its cheaper and almost as good as Invizx. If you fish weedy dirty water braid is the way to go. I like power pro(even though I never use it anymore).
Thanks for the warm welcome.
The loops were not the product of normal wear and abuse it was pretty weird to see really.
the reel is a Johnny Morris from bass pro rated for the 8-12 (as stated on the spool anyway) I have spools the reel a couple times with mono last summer (did not get the reel until mid summer and had limited water time there after) No knots or issues with mono on the reel.
I was on the road yesterday for most of the day and could not read your (all) advice before I needed to pick something up to be able to fish today I bought p line lo-vis which I used before but as you all know the mono line stretches so much. With the weird weather a really nice number of big bass are holding just off the nests and when they see something they like (nearly exclusively craw pattern soft baits) they crush them. I would love to have less stretch when picking the bait up know a bass has just grabbed it to be able to set the hook with certainty
thanks again for the help and I will be checking out the mentioned on line stores and pick up a spool or two of many of the suggested lines to try out over this summer
tight lines brothers
You know, I have been fishing with Berkley Fireline on all my spinning reels for a couple of years and have absolutely zero problems with "wind knots". I actually use the Crystal for everything over 25lbs. and the original for everything under. Its been a great line and I really haven't been able to find another braid that is quite as sensetive or as workable as Fireline. I fishing in everything from big lakes, deep water, to fast caynons with big current and lots of wind without any issues.
The only thing that I can think of that might be causing the knots is that if you cast overhand, most people have a tendency to release to early in the cast and get a very tall arc. This causes an excess amount of line to be taken of the reel and lay slack on top of the water. When you are dealing with an extremely light line such as Fireline you don't want those loops to cross or, as you have found out, you can get wind knots or line tangels.
You might try switching to a one handed side arm cast like you would if you were baitcastingor just releasing later during an overhand cast as to not let out as much slack. Works wonders for me, and I catch a lot of fish that I would have otherwise missed on an inferior line.
Hope this helps if you decide to stick with Fireline or any other braids out there.
Tight lines brother.
Most of my windknots occur when the line hits the first guide at a very fast speed. Slow down the cast and make more of a follow thru rather than a snap cast, make sure the spool is not filled too much. Quite often on windy days I cast one handed to eliminate those knots as I'm not casting it too hard. I personally do not think it's the line or how you are closing the bail that's caused the problem.
Thanks for the advice guys. its very much appreciated but the bottom line is I just plain don't like the crystal fireline. The floating with the wind blowing and gusting was a pain the the rump to contend with.
I always hand close the bail, as for casting motion, I have never had an issue using mono regardless of a side arm or single handed over head. I have always tipped the reel on inpact but never closed the bail as the bait splashed. never had an issue whre I would have needed to do something different.
the short of it is that if all braids need leaders, a new casting motion, and/ or putting up with a bunch of nonsense then its not right for me. I count myself lucky to be able to fish once or twice a week through the warmer months and won't spend have of that respooling or tying on leaders. I liked the extra feel I noticed with the fused braid but know it did not translate to one more fish that I would have missed using mono.
The simple solution: Yo-Zuri Hybrid #6
Strong, smooth, stealthy and inexpensive.
Performance is enhanced by using KVD
Line & Lure Conditioner.
I would reccomend P-line CX in 10 lb. Test. Very supple line that is pretty d**n strong.
On 6/4/2013 at 6:51 AM, jerzeeD said:I would reccomend P-line CX in 10 lb. Test. Very supple line that is pretty d**n strong.
I've been meaning to try some of this. It's wicked cheap, too. About $10 shipped for a 300 yard spool on fleabay. It's comparable to Yo-Zuri, right? I mean it's the same type of line with the same characteristics.
thanks again guys for the advice and comments, I hope that I did not come across as offensive or ignoring advice I asked for: just sounds like braid is not the right line for me after all.
I wrote Berkley about my troubles and dislikes of the line but they did not reply. I was not looking for my money back but did want to share my concerns. Floating should be posted on the box. Not a problem for guys who usually use weighted baits, but I like to toss the craw weightless as it seems to swim down a bit more naturally and I get snagged up in the rocks much less
On 6/4/2013 at 2:23 AM, roadwarrior said:The simple solution: Yo-Zuri Hybrid #6
Strong, smooth, stealthy and inexpensive.
Performance is enhanced by using KVD
Line & Lure Conditioner.
Tried this line at Roadwarriors suggestion a few years ago. Have never looked back. I fish it on a 2500 size shimano stradic reel and have never, never had issues with it. It is very cost friendly, strong...breaks at 11.9 lbs...and casts very well. You can often find it on sale at fish 307, the long fin, and even that auction site has some great deals on this line. Last year I bought 8,000 yards for less than 30 bucks.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
wow that is a world of diffence in price as compared with the bass pro (not knocking them) but I can go 30 bucks for a mile verses nearly the same for one fill
All of you: thanks again for the warm welcome and for the advice it helped a bunch
If you fish subsurface then use sinking braid with a floro leader. The braid will last you a very long time and you'll get the benefit of floro in front of your bait for visibility without the "slinky" effect that straight floro wound on to a spinning reel arbor produces. Downsize your braid in to the 10# class as it's super strong and use the appropriate floro leader. I like sunline sniper FC as my floro and spider wire floro-braid sinks very nicely and has proven to be good stuff. Wind knots are just part of braid fishing so manage your line, coat it with a line conditioner like KVD line conditioner and it will handle even more smoothly.
My PB was caught on 8# NanoFil with a 6# Trilene Fluoro leader. No issues at all and I am not easy on my gear.
UL Spinning - 2lb Trilene XL
M Spinning - 8lb Trilene XL (soft plastics, cranks)
MH Spinning - 12lb Trilene XL (jigs and plastics in heavier cover)
My experiments with braid haven't gone really well, and especially so where I've had to trust one of my less-than-stellar knots to the leader. I'm fixing to try PowerPro Slick 8 again sometime before the summer's out...
FWIW, I still find mono 'good enough' for everything I do fishing.
On 6/7/2013 at 11:35 AM, HeavyDluxe said:UL Spinning - 2lb Trilene XL
M Spinning - 8lb Trilene XL (soft plastics, cranks)
MH Spinning - 12lb Trilene XL (jigs and plastics in heavier cover)
My experiments with braid haven't gone really well, and especially so where I've had to trust one of my less-than-stellar knots to the leader. I'm fixing to try PowerPro Slick 8 again sometime before the summer's out...
FWIW, I still find mono 'good enough' for everything I do fishing.
Once you fish braid with flouro leaders its really hard to go back to full mono/flouro. I tried it the other day, spooled up my px type r with 8lb shooter and one of my spinning reels with 6lb copoly and the stretch in the line was amazing. The uni-uni knot is very simple to tie, just practice and you'll have confidence in your knots. Fishing braid with flouro leaders is so much better for line manageability and sensitivity.
Thanks again guys: I am fine with uni knots as I also fly fish. I shore fish 70-80% of the time as I am limited to a small john boat. In north central Ohio there are plenty of places that great bass can be caught from shore.
the floating braid is great for low stretch but as there is almost always some wind to a lot of wind, the floating braid catching that wind drags me to shore in a heart beat and I can't have that.
I guess for now I am going to stay with mono and live with the extra stretch.
On 6/7/2013 at 7:25 PM, thehooligan said:Once you fish braid with flouro leaders its really hard to go back to full mono/flouro. I tried it the other day, spooled up my px type r with 8lb shooter and one of my spinning reels with 6lb copoly and the stretch in the line was amazing. The uni-uni knot is very simple to tie, just practice and you'll have confidence in your knots. Fishing braid with flouro leaders is so much better for line manageability and sensitivity.
I've heard that before... In my experience, however, I didn't find braid to be all that much more manageable than mono - especially in wind. I'll agree the line was more sensitive, but I'm still not convinced that sensitivity is such that I was (or am) missing hits/fish. I've bombed out long casts into relatively deep water and, even with that much mono out, been able to feel 'light' bites and decisively hook/land fish.
I'm not an evangelist for monofilament here, mind you. Just saying that my experimentation with braid has left me unimpressed.
Like I said, I am going to give it a try again, mainly because I'm interested in being able to use a higher-visibility line color and have a clear leader tied on. Tying fluoro to hi-viz mono seems silly.
On 6/7/2013 at 7:25 PM, thehooligan said:Once you fish braid with flouro leaders its really hard to go back to full mono/flouro. I tried it the other day, spooled up my px type r with 8lb shooter and one of my spinning reels with 6lb copoly and the stretch in the line was amazing. The uni-uni knot is very simple to tie, just practice and you'll have confidence in your knots. Fishing braid with flouro leaders is so much better for line manageability and sensitivity.
Couldn't agree more.