Making The Switch Back From Fluoro To Mono.. 2024
Mccallister25 reply :
I need advice from anyone and everyone who has made the switch back to using mono for bottom contact baits from fluorocarbon...
Iv been strictly using fluoro on two of my rigs for the past year and some change. Worms and jigs mostly.
For various reasons it just seems like I'm going through it way too quickly. The occasional backlash is aweful too. Fear of line breaking is just getting old.
My questions for you guys is, is there REALLY a noticeable difference in the transmission of "feel" going back to mono? Also what about the stretch?
Thanks guys. Load me down with input. I'm really tempted to make the switch back.
Team9nine reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 9:04 AM, Mccallister496 said:My questions for you guys is, is there REALLY a noticeable difference in the transmission of "feel" going back to mono? Also what about the stretch?
Thanks guys. Load me down with input. I'm really tempted to make the switch back.
Yes there is, but in your case, it will be a noticeable difference in the lack of feel going back to mono. On the other hand, stretch is a wash, IMO. Wouldn't worry about that too much. Whatever works best for you is what you need to be using though....
-T9
WPCfishing reply :
What size Flouro are you using ?
FishTank reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 9:04 AM, Mccallister496 said:I need advice from anyone and everyone who has made the switch back to using mono for bottom contact baits from fluorocarbon...
Iv been strictly using fluoro on two of my rigs for the past year and some change. Worms and jigs mostly.
For various reasons it just seems like I'm going through it way too quickly. The occasional backlash is aweful too. Fear of line breaking is just getting old.
My questions for you guys is, is there REALLY a noticeable difference in the transmission of "feel" going back to mono? Also what about the stretch?
Thanks guys. Load me down with input. I'm really tempted to make the switch back.
Which FC are you using? I have some setups with FC that have not been changed in a year. The mono I use usually last about two months.
WPCfishing reply :
I use 20# Invisx for jigging
K_Mac reply :
You might want to transition back using a copolymer line. Yo Zuri Hybrid or P-Line CXX would be a good start. They do not transmit vibration quite as good as fluorocarbon, but do a better job than mono IMO. There is a real difference in feel in these lines; you will have to decide whether it is a deal breaker or not. Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.
WPCfishing reply :
Personally I would not switch back. Go to a heavier line and try different brand if needed.
Mono will never get you the feedback Flouro will.
Mccallister25 reply :
Iv been using 15# red label. Its good line, I like it pretty good, it just seems like it gets gone too quick between re-ties and have had some backlashes that have had the line completely break in the middle of the spool. The cost is just wearing me out. I want to keep my sensitivity but also want to save money. I can buy huge spools of mono for what Iv paid in all the 200 yard spools of fluoro.
Racking my brain!!
Alpha Male reply :
You have 2 choices as i see it. Step up with fluoro, go from 10lb up to 15lb. Or go with a co-poly line.
Mccallister25 reply :
I will say this, and please give me any kind of constructive criticism. Never asked or thought about this before. When I'm fishing a jig or Texas rig, I ONLY throw them around banks and any cover around the banks. My bait never reaches depths any deeper than 4-5 foot at most. Would this even be enough to affect sensitivity?
Alonerankin2 reply :
Of course you can switch back. Do you not line watch at all? See where I'm going here...
Yozuri is a tough as nails line, CXX Is too, CX is a softer blend & comes in clear/blue, soo, guess what, I give you a full day on the water, and the transition is over.. I can feel just fine with those lines and a very good rod..
Matthew2000 reply :
Same experience redline is so tough too. It's so hard, it makes casting a challenge, and have had to breaks in the middle of the spool. One while fighting a 5 pounder I was PO'd.On 4/28/2015 at 9:35 AM, Mccallister496 said:Iv been using 15# red label. Its good line, I like it pretty good, it just seems like it gets gone too quick between re-ties and have had some backlashes that have had the line completely break in the middle of the spool. The cost is just wearing me out. I want to keep my sensitivity but also want to save money. I can buy huge spools of mono for what Iv paid in all the 200 yard spools of fluoro.
Racking my brain!!
Mccallister25 reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 9:44 AM, Alonerankin2 said:Of course you can switch back. Do you not line watch at all? See where I'm going here...
Yozuri is a tough as nails line, CXX Is too, CX is a softer blend & comes in clear/blue, soo, guess what, I give you a full day on the water, and the transition is over.. I can feel just fine with those lines and a very good rod..
I always line watch, which is kinda why I'm even considering going back in the first place. Iv never considered a co poly line. How is price compared to both mono and fluoro?
Long Mike reply :
Have you considered using braid with a flouro leader? It has many advantages, e.g.
Almost zero line stretch.
Excellent sensitivity.
A very long life span.
Backlashes can be removed without damage to the line.
Much smaller line diameter per pound of test when compared to flouro or mono.
WPCfishing reply :
I suppose if you're pitching or flipping in shallow water go for it. I use my jigs in many more environments so I use a different approach in the different applications.
If your only fishing soft structure I don't see how the Flouro can let you down. If you said you are working rocky floors with 12# test I would say as I did before. Get 20# line.
This isn't adding up in my mind.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Cheaper & tougher than Redlabel.. There's several venders on the bay, TW, and others where you can sometimes get exceptional buys.
http://yo-zuri.com/Products/Yo-Zuri_Fishing_Line/details/Yo-Zuri_Hybrid.html
Mccallister25 reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 9:54 AM, Long Mike said:Have you considered using braid with a flouro leader? It has many advantages, e.g.
Almost zero line stretch.
Excellent sensitivity.
A very long life span.
Backlashes can be removed without damage to the line.
Much smaller line diameter per pound of test when compared to flouro or mono.
Iv never considered braid only because leaders seem like they're too much to fool with for me personally.
..everyone on here is trying to help. I'm too picky =(
WPCfishing reply :
Here's a question for you, how far are you casting to get into your 4' water?
Have you considered buying a more expensive Flouto? Red Lablel is an open water line. Cranks come to mind. Get some 20# Abrazx Flouro. Spend the 25 bucks. You won't regret it.
Mccallister25 reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 10:03 AM, WPCfishing said:Here's a question for you, how far are you casting to get into your 4' water?
Have you considered buying a more expensive Flouto? Red Lablel is an open water line. Cranks come to mind. Get some 20# Abrazx Flouro. Spend the 25 bucks. You won't regret it.
I don't cast at all. I'm a bank fisher, so I go all along the banks flipping and pitching to any cover I can find.
lectricbassman reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 9:58 AM, Mccallister496 said:Iv never considered braid only because leaders seem like they're too much to fool with for me personally.
..everyone on here is trying to help. I'm too picky =(
I thought the same thing. My big fear is the leader breaking off. Im using 30lb powerpro with. 12lb seaguar red label to test the waters with a leader setup. So far its working far better than i had expected. Alberto knot is an awesome knot, its simple to tie and i have yet to see one fail. In fact i had to break off a lure yesterday, my knot at the lure snapped first and i was pulling so hard i was sure the leader knot would fail!
WPCfishing reply :
Good Luck!
Darren. reply :
There are plenty of folks here that do not swear
by fluorocarbon line.
I like the ideas of switching to a copoly like Yo-Zuri
Hybrid, or another brand. I use Hybrid as well as
P-Line Floroclear, both have fluorocarbon properties
(YZH is a bond between nylon and FC, while P-Line
is coated with FC).
YZH is dang strong, and cheap enough that you can
buy up a good 600 yard spool for around $8...
You already (basically) said no to braid, but that's my
choice for mainline and I tie a leader on. This way your
single spool of fluoro would last you a lot longer in six
foot leader increments...
2 cents.
Mccallister25 reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 11:11 AM, DarrenM said:There are plenty of folks here that do not swear
by fluorocarbon line.
I like the ideas of switching to a copoly like Yo-Zuri
Hybrid, or another brand. I use Hybrid as well as
P-Line Floroclear, both have fluorocarbon properties
(YZH is a bond between nylon and FC, while P-Line
is coated with FC).
YZH is dang strong, and cheap enough that you can
buy up a good 600 yard spool for around $8...
You already (basically) said no to braid, but that's my
choice for mainline and I tie a leader on. This way your
single spool of fluoro would last you a lot longer in six
foot leader increments...
2 cents.
Thanks Darren. This won't be the first time you've helped me out. Imma check into that Yo Zuri hybrid.
CRANKENSTIEN reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 9:23 AM, K_Mac said:You might want to transition back using a copolymer line. Yo Zuri Hybrid or P-Line CXX would be a good start. They do not transmit vibration quite as good as fluorocarbon, but do a better job than mono IMO. There is a real difference in feel in these lines; you will have to decide whether it is a deal breaker or not. Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.
I don't trust floro as much either. Cxx gives me good sensitivity it is reasonable and durable. It handles well once it gets wet
ClackerBuzz reply :
On 4/28/2015 at 9:54 AM, Long Mike said:Have you considered using braid with a flouro leader? It has many advantages, e.g.
Almost zero line stretch.
Excellent sensitivity.
A very long life span.
Backlashes can be removed without damage to the line.
Much smaller line diameter per pound of test when compared to flouro or mono.
you can lead a horse to water... 
for the sake of all things holy at least rig one rod with braid to leader.
rboat reply :
Just go back to mono. Mono lines have greatly improved in the last few years. The type of fishing you are doing is not real subtle or finesse, so you will still feel the bites with a good mono and a good rod.
Catt reply :
I find it completely laughable the excuses y'all come up with when trying to bad mouth mono!
First it was line stretch which has been proven completely false.
Then it was abrasion resistance, in my experience Berkly Big Game is more abrasion resistant than any fluorocarbon made.
Then it was sence of "feel" especially with bottom contact techniques.
Feeling bites depends on who is holding the rod, in many cases what is transmitted up the line and down the rod is lost in the brain.
I've said it before if y'all really want to improve on "feel" go night fishing during the new moon phase. I do not mean for a couple hour, dedicate an entire year to night fishing.
bstephenson1225 reply :
I use P-Line Flouroclear coated Line and P-Line CX on all my rods and reels except for flippin around heavy cover. I use a 30 lb power pro slick braid with a P-line Leader. I love the CX and have been switching over to that as the Flouroclear doesn't seem as strong as the CX. Feel wise the CX actually feels alot more sensitive and doesn't seem to have as much stretch to it. It's all in your preference. The CXX seems ok on my baitcasters but i dont like it on spinning gear, as it seems to have too much memory to it. The CX works well on both. There are some really good lines in all cat. BBraid, mono, flouro, and Hybrid, as well as some really horrible lines. Just do as i have and alot of other have. Experiment and see what you like the most. What I like and what works well for me or others may not work well for you or your style. I do Highly recomment you try out the P-line CX. I havent been able to find it on shelves anywhere around me so I ordered mine thru Tackle warehouse. I had a few recommend it to me and the reviews were great so I gave it a try and Glad I did because it is now my line of choice. I have tried alot of line and stripped alot of reels with new line because I just hated it and thought it was garbage. and I HATE wasting money like that! I knw youre against braid but I believe if you try the slick braid from power pro you might change your mind about braid. I know I did! Best of luck to you!
ClackerBuzz reply :
i'll address something that will sting for a second and move on. learn how to use your baitcaster.
take the time to learn how to use your equipment w/o back lashing. you shouldn't be burning through that much fluoro or mono or braid and/or breaking line that often. just know that most of us are guilty of it and have gone thru it ourselves. you are not alone.
over the years i've lost lots of lures and fish to poor mono knots, then poor fluoro knots, then poor braid to leader connection knots! it seemed never ending. there was a learning curve each time i changed equipment. i was heartbroken each time i lost a lure let alone a bass. but never once did i blame my line. i knew it was 100% my fault b/c my knots weren't right or i didn't check my line often enough and it was nicked, or i picked out a back lash and didn't want to throw away 60ft of line but paid the price when a kink broke on the hook set. like others i made the decision to learn how to correct all the problems and learn my equipment.
imo there are 4 kinds of backlashes:
1 stopping ur cast short. say ur cast goes from 5 o'clock to 12 o'clock (12pm being ur target). stopping abruptly at 10pm will definitely cause a backlash. you have to follow thru every cast to 12 o'clock/the target. it's simple muscle memory and makes a world of difference.
2 back handed casts. i'm a rightly and after I got that down i realized i was far more likely to back lash on back handed/lefty casts. the problem and fix is the exact same as #1. I wasn't following thru on my cast. after taking the time to analyze it the fix was easy.
3 not adjusting the spool tension knob for each new lure tied on. a jerkbait has far more wind resistance and needs more spool tension than a rattletrap. take the time to adjust ur spool tension according to each new lure you tie on. there is no such thing as one setting all day. it will lead to constant backlashes.
4 the need for distance. trying to get the maximum distance from every single cast will lead you to open up ur spool tension and/or magnetic brakes causing tons of backlashes. be happy making slightly shorter casts while learning how to properly tune ur equipment.
these issues will have to be address regardless of which line you choose. good luck
WPCfishing reply :
I used Trilene and Stren for years. Stren in the later years was better. No knots breaking. I have some 15# CXX coming. I don't know if it was a good move to buy it or not. I didn't care much for the floroclear. I like using Seaguar Invisx. I'm going to buy a spool of Tatsu and give it a try, lot a money, it better be worth it.
Bruce424 reply :
Dude use your finger on the line to transmit bite detection. You will feel just about everything you would with fluoro. This works very well with flipping and pitching, And all right with long lining.
Mccallister25 reply :
Well guys... After all this discussion, going back and forth with people, everyone giving advice and different lines to check out.. Iv decided to stick with my fluorocarbon. 
I went over my personal pros and cons today, and its just one of those things Iv gotta deal with. I like fluoro, I really do. I just need to learn to manage it better. A few guys on here have made some good points, so hopefully it goes better! Thanks to everyone for the input though.
WPCfishing reply :
So which brand are you going to buy?
Mccallister25 reply :
On 4/29/2015 at 7:38 AM, WPCfishing said:So which brand are you going to buy?
Imma stick with the Seaguar. Probably end up checking out the invisx
WPCfishing reply :
You may want to try abrazx too
CRANKENSTIEN reply :
You can play it safe and not get back lashes or you can gradually push it and become a much better caster. I can cast any bad line 25 to 30 yards. But a good line I can cast 40 to 50 yards. If I want to launch into the wind ieven further. I have had bad backlashes learning but it has been worth it. I still get small backlashes but it is worth the extra time in the water If you watched the bassmaster hourly coverage you would now and thensee them pulling a backlash. My partner is the opposite of me he never pushes it and he never backlashes. A good cast for him is 25 yards but it fits his style. He is a patient line watcher. If it fits go for it but pick a cheaper line.
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