Straight Braid...who Are Ya? 2024
bkohlman reply :
Who here uses straight braid for all or most applications. Those who use leaders need not apply!
Big Bait Fishing reply :
I've been using straight braid for awhile , I used to use flourocarbon leaders but since I went to micro guides, I went to straight braid. I started out with #50, then to #40,#30 and now I am very comfortable with #20 , I have tried many brands of braid but am hooked on Stren Sonic Braid. I've learned that through practical experience over the years that line clarity is mainly a myth . The only reel I don't have braid on is my Revo Toro which is my swimbait reel. I have Izorline XXX co-polymer in #20-25 (depending on the size baits I'll be using ) .
Scott F reply :
All braid, all the time for me. No leaders (except steel for pike and musky). 8lb on my spinning reels, 20lb on baitcasters. 65lb on my musky rods. No problems with line digging in or break offs due to line abrasion.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
On 12/25/2014 at 9:13 AM, pgersumky said:I've been using straight braid for awhile , I used to use flourocarbon leaders but since I went to micro guides, I went to straight braid. I started out with #50, then to #40,#30 and now I am very comfortable with #20 , I have tried many brands of braid but am hooked on Stren Sonic Braid. I've learned that through practical experience over the years that line clarity is mainly a myth . The only reel I don't have braid on is my Revo Toro which is my swimbait reel. I have Izorline XXX co-polymer in #20-25 (depending on the size baits I'll be using ) .
Oh yeah, I also have #10 Sonic Braid on my spinning set up !!
Long Mike reply :
I'll use straight braid if I'm fishing in the slop or when I am fishing reaction baits. Most of the water I fish is somewhat stained, so I don't feel that a leader is necessary for applications other than fishing plastics or other finesse presentations. Because I almost always fish plastics, most of my rods have a flouro leader.
bass1980 reply :
Senkos I used all 20lb braid no problem. Jigs and Trig I used all 50lb braid no problem too. I fish around or inside vegetation so braid is a must most of the time. My only setup I tie a flouro leader is shakey head. I'm undecided to go all braid or all flouro this year on that setup.
I guess it really depends on the water you fish. Northern natural lakes braid is often used.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
Straight braid no leader used here.
JGBassinAL reply :
On 12/25/2014 at 9:13 AM, pgersumky said:I've been using straight braid for awhile , I used to use flourocarbon leaders but since I went to micro guides, I went to straight braid. I started out with #50, then to #40,#30 and now I am very comfortable with #20 , I have tried many brands of braid but am hooked on Stren Sonic Braid. I've learned that through practical experience over the years that line clarity is mainly a myth . The only reel I don't have braid on is my Revo Toro which is my swimbait reel. I have Izorline XXX co-polymer in #20-25 (depending on the size baits I'll be using ) .
Practical experience? I've seen many instances on clear water lakes where fluoro has outcaught braid by a longshot.
FishTank reply :
For me, braid is technique specific. I don't use it exclusively but it does have it's place.
I use it mainly for heavy coverage areas and punching the thick stuff. Other than that, I subscribe to the "if I can see it, so can the fish" (even though I know their eye sight is terrible) method.
ABW reply :
For some reason I have never caught a fish on straight braid (except frogs), even if the water is stained like it is here. Wish I could, I'll keep trying this upcoming spring
Big Bait Fishing reply :
I find that I catch fish wether using braid or flourocarbon, I catch fish all the time using braid dropshotting !!On 12/25/2014 at 10:14 AM, JGBassinAL said:Practical experience? I've seen many instances on clear water lakes where fluoro has outcaught braid by a longshot.
So line clarity to me is a non issue .
Just my opinion......
RoLo reply :
Bass tolerate the sight of gaudy colored lures, gangly weedguards, obtrusive rattleboxes and big gaudy treble hooks.
But once a bass notices a fine filament attached to the lure, All-Bets-Are-Off! 
My line and leader are polyethylene braid (even in gin clear water)
If I really thought this was hurting my results, guess who would quickly add a leader?
Roger
Mike L reply :
I use straight braid only for punching heavy mats and froggin.
Mike
ccr425 reply :
Been using 50lb braid with no leader on my frog setups and heavy pitch/flip setups for years. Just spooled my trig setup and my senko setup with 40lb braid without leaders to try. I'm in North Florida and fish around dense vegetation 95% of the time. I still have a couple of setups with mono for spinnerbaits/chatterbaits and squarebills. And one all purpose setup with fluoro that is soon to be some type of hybrid line. I'm wanting to go lighter than 40lb braid, just worried about the line digging in. Time will tell.....
rippin-lips reply :
Almost all my reels are spooled with braid BUT I'll tie a leader on for certain waters. When you can see the bottom plain as day in 15 fow it can help you land some fish. If it didn't have any positive qualities so many pros wouldn't be using it. Most line companies offer braid and fluoro. So they could easily push that companies braid to take care of the sponsorship part of the deal.
mjseverson24 reply :
There is a reason most people who fish for a living use a combination of mono, floro and braid in order to give them the best chance to succeed in competitions... there is no one line that is the best at everything, but I think for the average angler braid is the best all-around line...
Mitch
powerduster reply :
i use straight braid before and never had problems with fish seeing it and turning away. In fact, i think thin diameter braid would be less noticeable than thicker mono or fluoro when it moves through the water, especially in calm conditions. Of course, i still prefer a leader and swivel nowadays.
cyclops2 reply :
A hungry fish EATS. Line or no line. Add in it is 1/2 the diameter.
It cuts right thru MOST weeds when A fish hides in them.
I am converting this spring to only braid on the TROLLING flyrod. Hook rate / percentage is too good to pass up.
carlm01 reply :
Ive been using 20lb braid for years and never with a leader I fish mostly small lakes and ponds they are always a little stained so moss green works for me ...
Thornback reply :
Straight #40 braid and fishing with shiners.
DogBone_384 reply :
I use straight braid on all but two of my setups, which have a 20# Fluoro leader.
adam32 reply :
When I wade for river smallmouth I usually use straight braid. I use it mainly for the extra casting distance I need sometimes for spots I can't safely wade close enough to. I've never used a leader and I've caught lots of 20+" smallmouth in clear water with straight braid.
A super clear lake may be a totally different story on line visibility.
RB 77 reply :
There is one technique and one technique only for me... Hollow body frog! I wouldn't even consider fishing one with out a straight braid connection. Every other technique gets some other form of line application...
cyclops2 reply :
How can any line BURROW if it is NOT BEING rewound, by hand ?????
The constant Criscross of any reel prevents that. I use 4 pound set very high on drag. Never a digin. I use very light lures.
We need some line rewinding basics taught to some people
ccr425 reply :
I would appreciate that. I have my local tackle shop spool my reels. I had s spool of 50lb Power Pro that would dig in very badly if I caught a fish. Almost every time I was hung in the pads it would dig in. That was very annoying. Basically every cast after catching a fish or pulling my frog out of the "V" in a lilly pad resulted in a very short cast with me having to pull out a few yards of line to clear out the mess. That sucked!! As soon as I ripped that line off and had it replaced the issue was solved! Never had a problem before or after. Just a little concerned now.On 12/26/2014 at 9:47 PM, cyclops2 said:How can any line BURROW if it is NOT BEING rewound, by hand ?????
The constant Criscross of any reel prevents that. I use 4 pound set very high on drag. Never a digin. I use very light lures.
We need some line rewinding basics taught to some people
Weld's Largemouth reply :
for everything 20# suffix 832 advanced, never had any breaks off on fish or abrasion issues, never ever.
Scott F reply :
On 12/26/2014 at 10:29 PM, ccr425 said:I would appreciate that. I have my local tackle shop spool my reels. I had s spool of 50lb Power Pro that would dig in very badly if I caught a fish. Almost every time I was hung in the pads it would dig in. That was very annoying. Basically every cast after catching a fish or pulling my frog out of the "V" in a lilly pad resulted in a very short cast with me having to pull out a few yards of line to clear out the mess. That sucked!! As soon as I ripped that line off and had it replaced the issue was solved! Never had a problem before or after. Just a little concerned now.
If you set the hook with braid the same way you set the hook with a stretchy line like mono, it can dig in.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
I've said it before and I'll say it again , why the need for "hard" hook sets ???? Get some Owner hooks and just give the rod a little snap and FISH ON !! As for line digging in, it happens with flourocarbon and mono also , not just braid, thanks goodness dig ins and birds nests come out so much more easier with braid
crankbank reply :
Due to the fact that most waters I fish are extremely muddy (and also my laziness), I do not use leaders with my braid.
cyclops2 reply :
Well I have never had the DIGGING IN ever since I was 12 until now at 77. I DO make sure that ALL lines COMING OFF A coiled spool DO NOT start making more & more tighter coils. If the coils start forming above the LAYING FLAT ON A FLOOR ?? I FLIP THE SPOOL OVER ON THE FLOOR ....AFTER rotating the spool to remove the twists. Start winding again. That stops coils from forming off a new spool of line. I USE A LOT OF PINCHED FINGER PRESSURE ON THE LINE as it is wound on the reel. Every 6 rotations of the bail....I I completely release finger pressure To ALLOW THE TWISTS that can form between my pinching fingers & the reel.
That works for me on all sizes of spinning reels & all types of lines. From 2# test to 60 # 40 year old Ande pink mono.
Bait caster could be setting the line wraps TOO FRIGGIN CLOSE. Especially if the line is NOT WOUND UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE
Remember...........Dacron & modern Braid has NO STRETCH. NEW OR OLD. But the single strand MONOs can get stretchy. Baitcaster MAY NEED TO FINGER PRESSURE THE LINE COMING IN to keep it tight enough for all wraps ON ALL LAYERS.
40 to 80 pound monos can get loose if you catch several small lazy fish in a row.........Now a sharp hard hook set will keep digging in. UNTIL you do a REWINDING TIGHTLY.
I can get some time occupying wind knots with lures too light for the wind on 4# & 2 pound. I am stupid & cast too much into the wind. Rare wind knot if I cast with the wind.
RoLo reply :
On 12/27/2014 at 10:34 AM, cyclops2 said:Well I have never had the DIGGING IN ever since I was 12 until now at 77. I DO make sure that ALL lines COMING OFF A coiled spool DO NOT start making more & more tighter coils. If the coils start forming above the LAYING FLAT ON A FLOOR ?? I FLIP THE SPOOL OVER ON THE FLOOR ....AFTER rotating the spool to remove the twists. Start winding again. That stops coils from forming off a new spool of line. I USE A LOT OF PINCHED FINGER PRESSURE ON THE LINE as it is wound on the reel. Every 6 rotations of the bail....I I completely release finger pressure To ALLOW THE TWISTS that can form between my pinching fingers & the reel.
That works for me on all sizes of spinning reels & all types of lines. From 2# test to 60 # 40 year old Ande pink mono.
Bait caster could be setting the line wraps TOO FRIGGIN CLOSE. Especially if the line is NOT WOUND UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE
Remember...........Dacron & modern Braid has NO STRETCH. NEW OR OLD. But the single strand MONOs can get stretchy. Baitcaster MAY NEED TO FINGER PRESSURE THE LINE COMING IN to keep it tight enough for all wraps ON ALL LAYERS.
40 to 80 pound monos can get loose if you catch several small lazy fish in a row.........Now a sharp hard hook set will keep digging in. UNTIL you do a REWINDING TIGHTLY.
I can get some time occupying wind knots with lures too light for the wind on 4# & 2 pound. I am stupid & cast too much into the wind. Rare wind knot if I cast with the wind.
I can relate to some of what you've said, but your 65 years of experience (12 to 77) far exceeds the lifespan of polyethylene braid.
You qualified that breach however by mentioning braided Dacron (You probably remember dealing with braided nylon too)
In any event, when fishing with 30-lb Berkley Trilene Braid, neither my wife nor I experience any "line-burrowing".
Maybe we're just lucky, but we never engage in any line discipline or adhere to any special handling (we just fish).
As long as I stay at or above 30-lb Trilene braid, line burrowing and wind-knots are far too rare to warrant mention.
Roger
SGT Rico reply :
Been fishing all braid for 3 years now and I will never look back. No leaders on any of my rigs, the only poles I don't have braid is my jerk bait set up, and my crankbait rig. For jigs, worms, flukes, senkos, and any other bottom contact lures I use 50lb PP or Suffix 832. I even use it in my finesse presentations.
Texas Hawg Hunter reply :
just straight braid...messing with leaders just overly complicates things in my opinion
RoLo reply :
On 12/28/2014 at 1:51 PM, SGT Rico said:No leaders on any of my rigs, the only poles I don't have braid is my jerk bait set up, and my crankbait rig. For jigs, worms, flukes, senkos, and any other bottom contact lures I use 50lb PP or Suffix 832. I even use it in my finesse presentations.
Why would braided line be associated with anything but "finesse"?
Saltwater anglers quickly learn that 'thin diameter line' means getting away with a lighter sinker,
in some cases, 'half' the weight. Freshwater & saltwater anglers both know that 'thin diameter line' means
longer casting distances. Most importantly, a 'thin diameter line' provides a more natural delivery
than a FAT diameter line, because it generates less water resistance. For this same reason,
fly-fisherman use fine-diameter tippets to achieve the most natural delivery with minimal line-drag.
Somewhere along the line, 'natural delivery' was wrongfully unseated by 'refractive index'.
Ironically, 'line drag' is a measurable physical characteristic, while 'line-shyness' remains conjectural.
Furthermore, 'refractive index' tells you only half the story about a line's visibility. The other half of the story
is Line Diameter and fluorocarbon is not just fat, it's TWICE the diameter of braid.
Roger
cyclops2 reply :
Sales hype is all that companies can use to sell a BRUTALLY SIMPLE product.
Some sales clown will say wind tests at NASA prove monofilament CAN cast farther due to the NEW IMPROVED SLICK FINISH now being used.
DUUHHHH
Quick Throw away all your braided lines. They are not the best anymore.
Alonerankin2 reply :
So glad somebody else finally mentions "line drag" salt guys usually are aware, especially fishing for hard running, long lasting fish types. Around here, primarily I use very small diameter lines, for many tactics, I believe bigger line creates sound or maybe, unusal vibrations over a long cast. I can't prove it, but I know this, I catch considerably more fish with very thin mono/ hybrid type lines. Flipping is short work/ big line/ heavy cover. I've seen 0 impact there with bigger line. Seems most fisherman as was pointed out by RoLo, use light line for ease of casting or because of a thinner appearance in the water, some would agree, myself included that action of many baits would/ are enhanced.. I do not use braids, it's just my preference.
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