Spinning Reel- 2011 Shimano Stradic Vs 2011 Bps Pro Qualifier 2024
Bigbarge50 reply :
So here is the question.....a spinning reel showdown
The new stradic is out so the last model is now on dail for about $120 bucks. I have been eyeing this reel for a long while and was ready to jump on it. Then I noticed the BPS Pro qualifier is now $50 bucks.
No need to speak on the quality of shimano spinning reels..... have been told over and over they are the best out there. I am rather sure of that fact too. Yet I have heard really good things about the Pro Qualifier and it has really good reviews. So how far off is the quality of the Pro Qualifer compared to the Older stradic? Is it that great a difference?
I really want the shimano but if I could nearly get 3 Pro qualifiers for the price of one Stradic, and the quality is near the same, then I would be kinda of silly to get the Stradic just because it is a shimano. I don't want to be the guy who buys more expensive stuff just to buy the name and basically waste money to say I got a shimano.
Thoughts? Thanks in advance and really looking forward to hearing from those who have one of these reels or maybe both. Also hopefully helps someone save some money to this holiday season if they did not know about the prices
Pro qualifier
http://www.basspro.com/Bass-Pro-Shopsreg;-Pro-Qualifierreg;-Spinning-Reels/product/10205014/83951?cmCat=CROSSSELL_PRODUCT
Shimano 2011 Stradic
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shimano-Stradic174-FI-Spinning-Reel/728293.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dstradic%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=stradic&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products
SirSnookalot reply :
Probably for freshwater the BPS rel would be fine, I'd still buy the stradic if it were a decision between those 2.
Looking at the drags on the smaller BPS reels, looks like a misprint, 1000 or 2000 reels will not have a max drag of 19.5lb, 22 for the 40 could be accurate.
Jig Man reply :
I'd want to know who has the current Pro Qualifier contract. Some of them used to come from places like Korea and they weren't quality.
Hooligan reply :
On 12/21/2011 at 4:50 PM, SirSnookalot said:Looking at the drags on the smaller BPS reels, looks like a misprint, 1000 or 2000 reels will not have a max drag of 19.5lb, 22 for the 40 could be accurate.
The larger surface area of the Mag Spool also equates to a larger surface area for the drag. They generate substantially higher drag because of this. 19.5 lbs isn't out of the question at all for the reels.
0119 reply :
Those factories are all basically the same, owned by a huge conglomerate similar to Pure Fishing. Usually Bantax, Ohero, Fox or Omoto. They are all one season wonders and you cant expect more than that. There really is no way to compare them to the quality control of Shimano.
Grey Wolf reply :
No comparsion on these two . Stradic by a mile but it should be since its really a higher priced model than the other one is.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
The Pflueger President that is one of the best bang for your buck spinning reels at $60 day in and day out. The Stradic is a good reel but not twice the reel. I have a Stradic but held out for the Ci4. The BPS line has some good reels and some throw aways. I can't say which category this particular one would fall into. If you have $50 to gamble with, try one out and you might be pleasantly surprised.
K_Mac reply :
I am a big fan of the PQ baitcast reels. I have not used the PQ spinning though. Like many others I use the Pflueger President spinning reels and think they are a very good value.
Goose52 reply :
On 12/21/2011 at 1:29 PM, Bigbarge50 said:.......Yet I have heard really good things about the Pro Qualifier and it has really good reviews.
I'm a fan of the PQ baitcasting reel, and it has good reviews from many sources, however, I've heard very little about the PQ spinning reel. Were you thinking of the BC reel or were you looking at reviews for the spinning reel? While I appreciate the value that the PQ BC reel provides, I never considered purchasing any of the PQ spinning reels. As DVT mentioned, IMO opinion the value vs. performance champs in the under $100 market are the Pfluegers. If you want to stay in that $60 range - look for a President - it will give years of service.
Anyway, there's no comparison between the reels you mentioned. It comes back to the question that you posed yourself - do you want, or need, several value-priced reels that will provide adquate service, or do you appreciate using more expensive tackle and get one higher-end reel and just get enjoyment from that. I asked and answered that question myself - which is why I have a fleet of Pflueger Supremes, instead of just 1 or 2 say, Shimano CI4s.
EDIT - while I was typing, K_Mac done said the same thing except shorter! 
J Francho reply :
I don't need a fleet of spinners, three to go along with the the 23 baitcasters, 2 centrepins, 3 conventional reels, and three fly reels is plenty.
3dees reply :
I have been using Shimano for 40 years and can't remember having any problems. I upgrade for new and improved. the Stradic is a great reel. I have one and love it, but to be honest, I can't tell the difference between that and my symetre's. a bit cheaper and imo just as good.
Goose52 reply :
On 12/21/2011 at 11:59 PM, J Francho said:I don't need a fleet of spinners, three to go along with the the 23 baitcasters, 2 centrepins, 3 conventional reels, and three fly reels is plenty.
I mentioned the "fleet" of Pflueger Supremes reels since the OP posed the question of owning several moderately priced spinning reels as opposed to only one higher-priced spinning reel. I didn't see the OP ask for a tackle inventory...
Back to the OP's query. You haven't stated whether you are trying to set up several combos to be used for multiple techniques...or whether you are only trying to make a value judgment about whether you need to pay a higher price for a single reel, or whether a more modestly priced single reel would provide adequate service. As has been mentioned on this board before, you should get equipment high enough in quality that it doesn't appreciably limit your angling success. Higher quality equipment may be necessary to handle severe service. Any higher quality mostly just provides enjoyment to the tackle junkies out there and doesn't deliver increased angling success commensurate with the higher cost.
Look at your degree of use. Terms like "season" have no standard meaning. If you fish the same rod/reel combo for 4 hours a day, every day for a year, that's one "season". If you fish that rod/reel combo for an hour, every Saturday, for the 7 months you have soft water, that's another "season." Something like a Pflueger President will last most anglers for many years of use. Perhaps if you use it every day for 4 hours it will wear out in a couple of years. Only you know how much you fish and how high of quality of tackle will meet your needs...
Fat-G reply :
On 12/21/2011 at 9:20 PM, 119 said:Those factories are all basically the same, owned by a huge conglomerate similar to Pure Fishing. Usually Bantax, Ohero, Fox or Omoto. They are all one season wonders and you cant expect more than that. There really is no way to compare them to the quality control of Shimano.
Especially since the NRX had so many foregrip/reel seat problems... 
J Francho reply :
On 12/22/2011 at 12:50 AM, Goose52 said:I mentioned the "fleet" of Pflueger Supremes reels since the OP posed the question of owning several moderately priced spinning reels as opposed to only one higher-priced spinning reel. I didn't see the OP ask for a tackle inventory...
And just like you offered your point of view, I offered mine. Just because mine differs from yours doesn't make either opinion righter. At some point, you are going to have to accept that your point of view isn't the only one the OP is seeking. In fact, limiting the advice to your narrow set of criteria is a little prejudicial, don't you think?
There's a message in my post. Three spinners is plenty for a guy that obviously over does things.
onion man reply :
On 12/22/2011 at 12:50 AM, Goose52 said:I mentioned the "fleet" of Pflueger Supremes reels since the OP posed the question of owning several moderately priced spinning reels as opposed to only one higher-priced spinning reel. I didn't see the OP ask for a tackle inventory...
I wouldn't say "several" mid-range spinning reels vs. one high end reel. It is more like two, MAYBE three mid-range reels vs. one higher priced reel... IMHO
But everyone's needs are different for the type of fishing they do, and the type of budget they have... Opinions will always differ and if they didn't, than life wouldn't be interesting 
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As for Stradic FI and the PQ, you will get what you pay for... Shimano spinning reels are notorious for lasting lifetimes, and they are very dependable. The PQ will get you by in the short-term, but if you want long-term "bang for your buck", I would actually say that the Stradic will get you more of that.
My .02.
J Francho reply :
QuoteBut everyone's needs are different for the type of fishing they do
That's a good point. I know guys, that if it weren't for tournament fishing, would have zero use for casting gear altogether, outside of the spawn. They'd be using spinning gear for deep smallies the rest of the time....myself included, LOL.
0119 reply :
That alledged nrx problem seems to only afflict the Daiwa fans on tackletour.
J Francho reply :
So, another case of, "If I post it enough times, it will become the truth!"
shootermcbob reply :
to the original poster... don't know if makes any difference, but Cabelas had the stradic on sale "in-store" for 99.00 bucks (2500 size only).
I have a couple stradics and love them. Can't comment on the pro qualifier spinner since I have never fished it.
K_Mac reply :
On 12/22/2011 at 1:32 AM, J Francho said:And just like you offered your point of view, I offered mine. Just because mine differs from yours doesn't make either opinion righter. At some point, you are going to have to accept that your point of view isn't the only one the OP is seeking. In fact, limiting the advice to your narrow set of criteria is a little prejudicial, don't you think?
There's a message in my post. Three spinners is plenty for a guy that obviously over does things.
With all due respect John, you are as guilty as anyone in offering your opinions as gospel IMHO. A classic case of pot calling kettle black, if you ask me.
NorcalBassin reply :
Fortnately my NRX's have not had any problems...
As far as these spinning reels go, I have a couple Stradics that have performed flawlessly over the past couple years. I have been really impressed with the PQ BC but have not used the spinning version. My dad uses it with a light spinning rod (trout) and seems pleased. These guys are nowhere near each other quality wise, but that doesn't mean the PQ wouldn't be a nice performing reel for you.
Goose52 reply :
On 12/22/2011 at 1:32 AM, J Francho said:And just like you offered your point of view, I offered mine. Just because mine differs from yours doesn't make either opinion righter. At some point, you are going to have to accept that your point of view isn't the only one the OP is seeking. In fact, limiting the advice to your narrow set of criteria is a little prejudicial, don't you think?
There's a message in my post. Three spinners is plenty for a guy that obviously over does things.
Sorry to the OP for drifting a bit on your thread.
Sure, everyone has opinions. I'm not sure mine are "narrow" but they are different than many on this board. My opinions are based on several premises:
That the automatic answer isn't Shimano, or Daiwa, or whatever.
That you don't need to spend a lot of money to catch fish.
That tackle has to not appreciably limit angling success (within limits established by the angler), be reliable enough to provide a cost-effective lifespan given the intended usage levels, and meet the angler's budget.
And that there are reels that offer adequate service for most anglers at medium-price points.
Those premises often put me at odds with some on this board. And that's OK. If you are a tackle enthusiast, great, have fun and enjoy your equipment. However, if you are just looking for equipment that will provide you with the means to catch fish, there are reliable alternatives out there that will service that need.
J Francho reply :
I'd rather have one nice reel than three budget reels. I have an old wood handle Stradic that my kid uses now. What a great reel. That thing has caught some serious fish, and feels great still.
Goose52 reply :
On 12/22/2011 at 5:25 AM, J Francho said:I'd rather have one nice reel than three budget reels. I have an old wood handle Stradic that my kid uses now. What a great reel. That thing has caught some serious fish, and feels great still.
I understand - that's cool! I enjoy reading about higher-end tackle and have some myself (if Loomis GLX is still considered sorta high-end). I've even visited Japantackle a number of times and someday could consider getting an uber-expensive JDM reel just for grins. BUT, I also appreciate value for money. Hence my efforts to present other cost-conscious shoppers with what I think are viable options.
I'm guess I'm just wired different with an appreciation for value (and not having to keep up with the Jones's). That could be why I'm retired and fishing everyday and my former co-workers are still slaving away at work, making their Beemer or Mercedes payments....
SirSnookalot reply :
As long as opinions are being thrown around this is mine. As most know I'm strictly a spinning guy and own medium priced and budget reels that have caught great fish on, each reel works great. I wouldn't spend more than $100 for a freshwater reel, the overwhelming majority of fish barely tax your equipment. Saltwater I feel more comfortable with a better quality reel, saltwater, salt air and sand will take it's toll, a pound for pound that fish are tougher.
Bigbarge50 reply :
Wow did not expect all the feedback fellas, especially this fast.
To clarify..... I have no problem spending the money for the Stradic. Thanks for the heads up on the in store discount too, though not sure I have one too close to me. I wonder what is so new and exciting about the new stradic as opposed to the "old" one. I have an old shimano myself and I love it. I also have a very old bps tournament mega cast that still is a very nice real and still catches a lot of fish. Looking to upgrade my spinning gear and would ideally have 3 set ups total.... two standard all around set ups and then then maybe a ultra light.
The main thing I was curious about is while the shimano name speaks for itself, I was just curious to not just buy the name you know. I fish almost all $100+ baitcasters which is not a point of pride or anything else, just happened to be the reels I was interested in. I have never fished a over $200 or $300 reel and am not sure what a $300 dollar Diawa is giving me over a curado. (that is not a bias Diawa statement.... I have two of them). So I do not use just one brand or such so I am open to other options.
I have never fished a pflueger, but have heard good things.
My thoughts for the last few months have been the Stradic, and still 99% there. Now to avoid the idea of buying both and trying out the Pro Qualifier or the extreme that is also on sale.
marinetech reply :
opinions are like ****holes , everybody has one so here is mine for all its worth. I have 4 PQ baitcasters and love them. I have also owned my PQ spinning reel for a few years now and it has great anti reverse , drag and will cast a mile. My opinion is the quality of the pq spinner is far superior to the baitcasters. I take better care of my bc's better than my spinning gear. I just got a stradic to setup for dock skipping but won't have a chance to try it for quite some time. (dam the hard water)
J Francho reply :
On 12/22/2011 at 5:55 AM, SirSnookalot said:As long as opinions are being thrown around this is mine. As most know I'm strictly a spinning guy and own medium priced and budget reels that have caught great fish on, each reel works great. I wouldn't spend more than $100 for a freshwater reel, the overwhelming majority of fish barely tax your equipment. Saltwater I feel more comfortable with a better quality reel, saltwater, salt air and sand will take it's toll, a pound for pound that fish are tougher.
Not where I live. I've posted ad nauseum about "byproduct" catches that will tax your gear. It's all about location, location, location.
I do agree that somewhere close to $100 is good reel territory for spinning. I bought my CI4s for $175, and payed a premium for weight loss. Paired with my Avid rods I bougjt on sale for $120, I have great tools for not too much scratch. But you gotta have patience for the good deals.
jeremyt reply :
I have owned many spinning reels from shimano stradic mgfi's to cardinals. The biggest thing is going to be personal opinion. I love shimano and that's just my personal opinion. If you spend $50 on a reel then expect to replace it in 5 or so years. I mostly fished mine in salt for flounder, reds and speckled trout. That said I still have a lower end stradic that has lasted 10 plus years with no issues. The $250 mgfi's is on a shelf because it's a rough reel now. Last year I purchased a bps combo ( pflueger president with bps rod ) and have no complaints as a matter of fact I love that combo as much as any other. I am not saying that my opinion is the gospel, by far there are way more experienced anglers out there. What I will say is to do what you feel comfortable with and be happy with it.
0119 reply :
I dont understand why folks think spinning should cost less than casting. Especially today when virtually every casting reel looks like it was spawned from the same parents. Maybe because beginner and less intensely involved anglers seem to gravitate towards spinnings ease of operation. Its true you dont need much of a reel to catch most any fish. The Pflegeur Medalist proves that. Proper fighting a fish is all up to the rod, the reel only gathers line and even a poor drag can be supplemented by your thumb or palm. Francho's centerpin reels is proof of that. But why buy cheap? Its like the dozens of saltwater guys I pass everyday on the highway. 70 grand F350 hauling a 200 grand center console with 50 grand of outboards on it. Every one has 20 buck walmart combos in the rod racks.
Hooligan reply :
On 12/22/2011 at 9:25 AM, J Francho said:Not where I live. I've posted ad nauseum about "byproduct" catches that will tax your gear. It's all about location, location, location.
Aww go on, John. Nothing in freshwater can possibly tax your equipment. Not even 45" muskies on 200 size reels. Salt is the only way to catch fish worth catching...
@ Op, Stradic is a great way to go. The PQ spinning reel is cumbersome, it doesn't fit on most rods (in terms of balance) and it's got rather low line capacity for the sizes of reel. They're also quite heavy compared to their standard frame and spool sized counterparts. Point of reference, a PQ20 weighs in at 10.4 OZ with a capacity of 80yds/8lb and a 2500 Stradic is 140/8 and 9.4 ounces.
Hooligan reply :
On 12/22/2011 at 9:43 AM, 119 said:I dont understand why folks think spinning should cost less than casting. Especially today when virtually every casting reel looks like it was spawned from the same parents. Maybe because beginner and less intensely involved anglers seem to gravitate towards spinnings ease of operation. Its true you dont need much of a reel to catch most any fish. The Pflegeur Medalist proves that. Proper fighting a fish is all up to the rod, the reel only gathers line and even a poor drag can be supplemented by your thumb or palm. Francho's centerpin reels is proof of that. But why buy cheap? Its like the dozens of saltwater guys I pass everyday on the highway. 70 grand F350 hauling a 200 grand center console with 50 grand of outboards on it. Every one has 20 buck walmart combos in the rod racks.
The vast majority of high quality spinning reels are comparably less expensive than their baitcasting counterparts. It isn't that people THINK they should cost less; it's the reality that for comparable gear they generally DO cost less. Only in the past year have prices really come in line with casting reels in terms of quality, and to say that is somewhat a stretch.
00 mod reply :
I have a stradic and love it. But if I were looking right now I would check tw's 12 days sale and see if the daiwa spinning reels were still on sale. Something like a $300 plus reel for stradic money. Got good reviews too!!
Jeff
SirSnookalot reply :
0119 makes a good point, but in fairness the 42' yellowfins and contenders I see going out have stellas and Penn internationals on board, the 21' sea foxes have much more moderately priced gear, many of those boats are pretty much weekend fishermen. It goes down the line, saltwater offshore gear takes a real beating, inshore equipment not as much and freshwater equipment should last pretty good..
Living most of my 66 years in Michigan, being a snowbird for over 20 years and now living full time for the last 7 in a coastal environment, I've done my share off fishing, I get offshore 2 times a week weather permitting and fish inshore almost every day. I've caught most of the common species. When it comes to taxing your equipment, offshore ocean fish certainly can do that, many times we have caught a mere 30 or 40# fish like an amberjack on conventional gear and have to run it down with the boat, could fry an egg on the reel. Conversely sailfish aren't nearly as hard, not a big deal to land one on a 4000 spinning reel with 20 or 25lb class rod, they average only about 50# and the fight is totally different than the amberjack.
Inshore species don't tax the equipment quite as much as offshore, unless you're getting into 100+ tarpon, or big redfish and jacks. Fishing inshore with the salt surf, wind, sand and the power of some of these species is going to take it's toll on equipment, cheap stuff won't last.
Back in Michigan I caught plenty of those byproduct fish and I thought they fought great, until I moved, I no longer hold their fighting ability with the same esteem as I once did. A muskie is a nice fish to catch, but even a 45" doesn't come close to a cuda or tarpon of the same size. There is no reason why moderately price gear won't last in freshwater, you just don't get that many fish over 20#, I can't keep track of how many fish I catch over that size. This is just my opinion, I'm sure others will have a different view.
Those pictured byproduct fish are purdy and make a tasty meal, but I'll stick with my location..
I'm not one of these guys that eat, sleep and drink technical information about equipment, I care less about that, I just like catching fish with a good pair of shoulders.
0119 reply :
Wow your seven years in Florida have been much more memorable than my 50 years fishing here. I dont buy the offshore is so mighty stuff though. Been there dont that. Theres no casting involved. Most of the overfished remnants are simply like pulling a 5 gallon drum up from the drink. The flatheads Ive caught in Tenn. fought better than any Cuda or Red that exist in my part of Fl. And with all these species, like any other, proper technique dictates you use the rod to fight the fish. Salt guys in their buffs and saltlife t's just see it glamourous to us the engines forward gear to reel their fish in instead of a good reel.
J Francho reply :
Three pages, I hope the OP got his answer.
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