Last week I casted a vision 110 off because the braid got tangled around an eye mid-cast, and after that I decided that I was not going to risk casting another expensive jerkbait off by using limp braid. Now i'm trying to decide weather to spool my jerkbait rod up with 6# vanish fluorocarbon, 8# iron silk (i'm leaning toward this since it has so little memory and less stretch than regular mono, but I'm not sure if the fact that it's very visible almost like braid would matter with jerkbaits), #6 ultimate mono, 8# big game mono, or 10# big game mono. Which one of the lines I mentioned would you guys suggest using for jerkbaits, mainly the Vision 110?
6 lb YoZuri hybrid.
On 11/2/2016 at 8:43 AM, Raul said:6 lb YoZuri hybrid.
Same line I use 10
8 lb. Sunline Sniper. i like flouro cause mono and braid tends to lift the lures nose a bit making it rise in the water column when you twitch it after a pause .
Sunline Shooter Defier Nylon Monofilament 13lb.
10lb mono for most cases.
8lb mono in clearer water
12lb mono if water is stained enough .
Big Game 10-12 or try Ande 10-12 stays a little more limp than Big Game. I like both .
Thanks for the reply's! What do you guys think about using 8lb iron silk?
8lb YZH or 10lb Yo Zuri Top Knot Fluoro.
On 11/2/2016 at 9:45 PM, IndianaFinesse said:Thanks for the reply's! What do you guys think about using 8lb iron silk?
I've never tried Iron Silk so I can't comment on it. Can't say I've ever known anyone who has used it. For me it's been good old Trilene XL for a very long time. It just seems to be limp enough to handle the cold temps usually involved with jerk bait fishing season and have the perfect amount of stretch to work the bait right.
The answer is 6-8lb line. You can pm me later that you beat up your partner doing this and thank me. Use your spinning rod....
You are at risk with 6 pound test anything, but certainly with Vanish. Your lure will vanish.
On 11/3/2016 at 5:20 AM, KP Duty said:The answer is 6-8lb line. You can pm me later that you beat up your partner doing this and thank me. Use your spinning rod....
The water here in the Ozarks can get pretty darn clear in the winter and I've yet to need 6lb to get bit on a jerk bait. I'm not saying I will never see the day when 6lb would be necessary but 6lb is below my comfort level for jerk baits. 8lb is as low as I will go, and I'm not real comfortable with that.
12lb maxima ultragreen copoly
Thanks for all of the reply's! I went with eight pound mono and spooled it up in my jerkbait rod this morning, and tried it out this afternoon for a couple hours. Ended up with 27 bass and 9 big white bass on the vision 110 and pointer 78, and I decided that i am definitely am going to stick with the eight pound mono.
On 11/3/2016 at 5:37 AM, MickD said:You are at risk with 6 pound test anything, but certainly with Vanish. Your lure will vanish.
6lb is low when you factor in today's diameters with everyone fishing Japanese lines. I fish my jerkbaits with 8lb sniper generally, but if I'm losing to you in the boat, I may risk it with 6lb.
On 11/3/2016 at 6:51 AM, IndianaFinesse said:Thanks for all of the reply's! I went with eight pound mono and spooled it up in my jerkbait rod this morning, and tried it out this afternoon for a couple hours. Ended up with 27 bass and 9 big white bass on the vision 110 and pointer 78, and I decided that i am definitely am going to stick with the eight pound mono.
If the 8# mono was the Big Game you mentioned, you should be set. That is pretty much the same as many 10# monos, which is what I consider standard around here for most regular sized jerkbaits. I will throw a lot of 8# fluoro though when dealing with totally open water situations, especially if the water is a bit to the clearer side.
-T9
On 11/3/2016 at 7:33 AM, Team9nine said:If the 8# mono was the Big Game you mentioned, you should be set. That is pretty much the same as many 10# monos, which is what I consider standard around here for most regular sized jerkbaits. I will throw a lot of 8# fluoro though when dealing with totally open water situations, especially if the water is a bit to the clearer side.
-T9
Yep, it's the big game. I wasn't planning on risking my vison around docks or anything anyways, I use my topwater rod or ned rig rod for fishing closer to the shoreline and docks with other jerks other than the vision 110, and those rods I have ten pound on.
On 11/3/2016 at 6:08 AM, pawpaw said:The water here in the Ozarks can get pretty darn clear in the winter and I've yet to need 6lb to get bit on a jerk bait. I'm not saying I will never see the day when 6lb would be necessary but 6lb is below my comfort level for jerk baits. 8lb is as low as I will go, and I'm not real comfortable with that.
What's youtr go-to jerkbait in the ozarks? Grew up fishong a bass club there, and seems like they generally want something different than a rolling Rouge up there.
Vision 110, LC Pointer, Spro McStick and, as you said, Smithwick Rouge. All are usually tied on most of the time. The 110 usually ends up seeing the most use and the McStick probably the least. In water below 40 degrees the Pointer seems to out perform the rest.
On 11/2/2016 at 8:30 AM, IndianaFinesse said:Last week I casted a vision 110 off because the braid got tangled around an eye mid-cast, and after that I decided that I was not going to risk casting another expensive jerkbait off by using limp braid. Now i'm trying to decide weather to spool my jerkbait rod up with 6# vanish fluorocarbon, 8# iron silk (i'm leaning toward this since it has so little memory and less stretch than regular mono, but I'm not sure if the fact that it's very visible almost like braid would matter with jerkbaits), #6 ultimate mono, 8# big game mono, or 10# big game mono. Which one of the lines I mentioned would you guys suggest using for jerkbaits, mainly the Vision 110?
Do what KVD does : Two ft. leader of #20 lb. Big Game mono at the end of #20 to #30 lb. braid .
On 11/3/2016 at 8:09 PM, ChrisD46 said:Do what KVD does : Two ft. leader of #20 lb. Big Game mono at the end of #20 to #30 lb. braid .
I used to use braid with a leader for all jerkbaits (although not that heavy, I think it would hurt the action with line so heavy) until I lost one because the limp braid tangled around an eye, which is why I asked the question.
I have always had issues with braid wrapping around the hooks while using jerkbaits.
And I certainly wouldn't recommend 6# ever for casting gear.
Personally, I use 10 or 12# Sniper FC.
On 11/4/2016 at 8:57 PM, fishballer06 said:I have always had issues with braid wrapping around the hooks while using jerkbaits.
And I certainly wouldn't recommend 6# ever for casting gear.
Personally, I use 10 or 12# Sniper FC.
Thanks again for everybody's reply's.
I actually use jerkbaits on spinning gear for whatever reason, it just feels easier for me to give snappy jerks with spinning than with casting gear.
I've been using 10 pound test green stren since the 80's for a jerkbait.,..works for me!,..why break it?
I will add,..I use big game alot in saltwater,..
I use straight 15lb braid for jerkbaits. And have never once casted a lure off with it. I think your knot is in question.. I second whomever mentioned the spinning rod.
On 11/5/2016 at 1:09 AM, Yeajray231 said:I use straight 15lb braid for jerkbaits. And have never once casted a lure off with it. I think your knot is in question.. I second whomever mentioned the spinning rod.
If you go back & read his original post he said the braid got caught around a guide in mid cast & the bait broke off.
I've been using braid for years and have never had this happen. I don't think the braid is to blame.
12# Yo-Zuri
Mike
On 11/5/2016 at 2:02 AM, Yeajray231 said:I've been using braid for years and have never had this happen. I don't think the braid is to blame.
I still use braid for the vast majority of techniques, but I don't use it for big swim baits or average sized jerkbaits anymore mostly because of how expensive they are to lose. The inertia of a big swimbait or a long casting jerkbait seems to make it more likely to brake off when the cast is suddenly halted, and no stretch braid doesn't have the cushion to absorb the shock. In addition to that braid seems to be more prone to getting wrapped around guides and such in the first place, because of its limpness.
I like the sensitivity of braid.. and the added casting distance I get with it when using spinning reels. I feel braid is the strongest of all lines I've ever tried and I enjoy the thin diameter of 15lb test braid.
This happening was operator error.. possibly the reel. Not the line I'm positive.
On 11/3/2016 at 7:17 AM, KP Duty said:6lb is low when you factor in today's diameters with everyone fishing Japanese lines. I fish my jerkbaits with 8lb sniper generally, but if I'm losing to you in the boat, I may risk it with 6lb.
#13 defier armillo for me.
On 11/5/2016 at 6:20 AM, Yeajray231 said:I like the sensitivity of braid.. and the added casting distance I get with it when using spinning reels. I feel braid is the strongest of all lines I've ever tried and I enjoy the thin diameter of 15lb test braid.
This happening was operator error.. possibly the reel. Not the line I'm positive.
The line wrapped around the rod tip causing the cast off is my understanding. I don't know anyone who hasn't had their line wrap around their rod tip without them knowing and stop their next cast from ever happening.
I use 10 pound Big Game on all 3 of my casting jerkbait rods and 8lb on my spinning jerkbait rod.
On 11/5/2016 at 2:44 PM, Bluebasser86 said:The line wrapped around the rod tip causing the cast off is my understanding. I don't know anyone who hasn't had their line wrap around their rod tip without them knowing and stop their next cast from ever happening.
I use 10 pound Big Game on all 3 of my casting jerkbait rods and 8lb on my spinning jerkbait rod.
Ok I never said that I've never had my line tangle around the rod tip. i said I've never casted off a jerkbait because of it and I almost exclusively use braid . Sometimes with a floro leader for weightless plastics but that's irrelevant. For jerkbaits I use just braid. And have never had this happen. I've used braid at 4, 6, 8, 10, 15, 20, 30 and 60. I mainly use 10-15 for bass fishing. Depends on what im doin Ill vary line weight. It's always hard for me to get my lure to come off my line with a good Palomar knot.
If line does wrap around my pole and I cast, it usually just gets more tangled and I have a quick scare that I damaged a guide. But usually all is well because 80 % of the time you can pull on any knot with braid and it slips back to itself. And it's back to fishin
On 11/5/2016 at 2:55 PM, Yeajray231 said:Ok I never said that I've never had my line tangle around the rod tip. i said I've never casted off a jerkbait because of it and I almost exclusively use braid . Sometimes with a floro leader for weightless plastics but that's irrelevant. For jerkbaits I use just braid. And have never had this happen. I've used braid at 4, 6, 8, 10, 15, 20, 30 and 60. I mainly use 10-15 for bass fishing. Depends on what im doin Ill vary line weight. It's always hard for me to get my lure to come off my line with a good Palomar knot.
If line does wrap around my pole and I cast, it usually just gets more tangled and I have a quick scare that I damaged a guide. But usually all is well because 80 % of the time you can pull on any knot with braid and it slips back to itself. And it's back to fishin
The low stretch of braid lends itself to cast offs because there's not much shock absorbancy. Probably a bit of damage to the line that caused it. I've had it happen, it sucks. One of the main reasons most swimbait guys don't use braid.
On 11/3/2016 at 3:54 AM, pawpaw said:I've never tried Iron Silk so I can't comment on it. Can't say I've ever known anyone who has used it. For me it's been good old Trilene XL for a very long time. It just seems to be limp enough to handle the cold temps usually involved with jerk bait fishing season and have the perfect amount of stretch to work the bait right.
I've tried it in higher pound tests and see no redeeming value for it.
On 11/5/2016 at 8:11 PM, MickD said:I've tried it in higher pound tests and see no redeeming value for it.
Are speaking of Iron silk or XL?
On 11/5/2016 at 3:27 PM, Bluebasser86 said:The low stretch of braid lends itself to cast offs because there's not much shock absorbancy. Probably a bit of damage to the line that caused it. I've had it happen, it sucks. One of the main reasons most swimbait guys don't use braid.
Also since it's very limp it has a tendency to tangle in the hooks. I'm a huge fan of braid but I know there's a time and place for it. My topwater/jerkbait/crankbait rod does not have it. With jerks and topwaters it's a problem for me. If I was only cranking with that rod it would have braid on it. I use a slightly more powerful rod for squarebills and I throw them with braid.
10# suffix siege mono for bait cast, and either 6lb fluoro or 10lb braid for spinning using small jerkbaits.
On 11/5/2016 at 6:20 AM, Yeajray231 said:I like the sensitivity of braid.. and the added casting distance I get with it when using spinning reels. I feel braid is the strongest of all lines I've ever tried and I enjoy the thin diameter of 15lb test braid.
This happening was operator error.. possibly the reel. Not the line I'm positive.
Loose loops on a spinning reel is the enemy of braid users. Jerk bait fishing is notorious for creating those loops, in my experience. I use braid and spinning gear for light cranks, but not jerks.
I'm not in a position to have a bunch of rods and such. I've been using braid for cranks and jerkbaits for just shy of a decade . You all have your prefernces of what you think is best and why you think so.. I'm happy for you.
I've got 10# Invizx right now. I don't feel safe with anything less on casting gear to be honest.
8 lb. Maxima.
8# CXX. Very little stretch and super strong. Also really cheap. By far my favorite jerkbait line, I couldn't handle how stretchy the Yo-Zuri was.
On 11/5/2016 at 9:29 PM, pawpaw said:Are speaking of Iron silk or XL?
Iron Silk only. Sorry for the confusion.
On 11/6/2016 at 10:51 PM, MickD said:Iron Silk only. Sorry for the confusion.
Not a problem.
I use pline cx premium for everything 12 pound for jerk baits. Like yeajray321 said I really only need one line I'm not fishing for money and it does the job for me.
Sniper 8# or 10# for clear water/pressured fish
Defier 11# or 13# for stained water